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Re: Censorship/Administrator

 

On Sep 20, 2006, at 9:30 AM, bill_w4zv wrote:

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., "Pete Smith" <n4zr@...> wrote:

I run a local community affairs mailing list with only two rules - sign
your real name and maintain basic civility - keep it substantive, not
personal.
I agree Pete, although I also maintain strict topic focus on the
Topband reflector.
I got booted off of Topband for questioning questionable technical statements bu Tom RAUCH, W8JI. Bill, are you a friend of Tom?

AG6K wrote:
I was booted off of AMPS by W8JI, Charles Thomas Rauch, Jr.
This list is off to a great start with a lie. I know who the
moderator is also and confirm it's not W8JI (...or me).

73, Bill








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Re: issues

 

On Sep 20, 2006, at 10:16 AM, Martin AA6E wrote:

Here's a simple request from one op who is interested in amps. Personal
grudge matches are bad news and will put off people who don't have any
ax to grind.
The W8JI-AG6K dispute that existed on AMPS - and previously on rec,amateur-radio.homebrew was not grudge based, it was based on electronic theory. W8JI's position was that AC circuit-analysis was inaccurate when analyzing VHF parasitic suppressors, that Ni-Cr alloys had reverse skin effect at HF, and that even though a DC current pulse could ring a HF-resonant circuit, it could not ring a VHF-resonant circuit. I did not agree and said so.

If we really want to support ham amplifier work, this
stuff is counterproductive.
Allowing newcomers to believe that W8JI's above statements are correct is productive?

Let's take our flames back to the NNTP world.
Telling people what to do is hardly good form.

I am giving the Yahoo group a try, because I think the anonymous
moderation and "appropriate use" policies of the other list were very
worrisome.
The straw that broke the camel's back was when Tom censored my post about why the TL-922 switches faster from Tx to Rx than it does when switching from Rx to Tx -- which could help to explain why so many 922 owners experience parasitic arcing when switching to Rx from Tx.

I hope I don't have to unsubscribe from both of these groups!
Zzzzzzzzzzz

73 Martin AA6E
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Re: Censorship/Administrator

 

On Sep 20, 2006, at 11:29 AM, Dino Darling wrote:

My guess is that Pete won't get banned from here, if that was what he
was implying. If he chooses not to post here, it will be of his own
free will. at least, this is my understanding of policy on this new
and improved list.

I wonder who else has been banned from the other list in the past week...
Probably no one. Apparently Tom has been quietly censoring AMPS members who mention this group.

At 04:45 AM 9/20/2006, you wrote:

This may be my first and last post on this list, but I wanted to clear
a few misconceptions:
Dino - K6RIX
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Re: Censorship/Administrator

 

On Sep 20, 2006, at 11:33 AM, Pete Smith wrote:

And what's the alternative? I should "out" him? That's not my
prerogative, either.

I have been a member of amps since its inception, and while I
disagree with prior restraint of speech, I think its series of
moderators have acted with great self-control in the face of
extraordinary provocation. I believe the previous moderator
resigned at least in part because of the private vitriol directed
at him.

I'm done now - if you guys are going to run an amps reflector, talk
amps.
But you are opposed to talking about those who censor amplifier
discussions?

73, Pete N4ZR

At 11:45 AM 9/20/2006, Mike(W5UC) & Kathy(K5MWH) wrote:
Pete, I guess you do what you think you must do, BUT, I have a lot
of trouble with the idea that someone operates an “open” forum and
feels the need to hide. That concept really bothers me. I post
my name and callsign every time I post to a reflector, and I am
very suspicious about the intentions of someone who feels the need
to hide in the shadows.

73,
Mike, W5UC

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From: ham_amplifiers@...
[mailto:ham_amplifiers@...] On Behalf Of Pete Smith
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:26 AM
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Censorship/Administrator


I am going to respect his anonymity.

73, Pete N4ZR

At 08:32 AM 9/20/2006, Jan Erik Holm wrote:
OK it isn?t W8JI, who is it?

73 SM2EKM
--------------------------------------
Pete Smith wrote:
This may be my first and last post on this list, but I wanted to
clear
a few misconceptions:

Tom Rausch is not the Admin of Amps. I'm not either ;^)

W4AN was not a fan of free speech - he replaced me as Admin of
Towertalk when I refused to censor posts there; this is not a
knock on
Bill, just a difference of philosophy.

I run a local community affairs mailing list with only two rules
- sign
your real name and maintain basic civility - keep it
substantive, not
personal. In 6 years, I've had to ban one person for a week. A
parallel list has no such rules, and has disintegrated into ugly
name-
calling.

From what I have read, such a regime on amps would have worked
pretty
well, though the Admin would have had to ban a few people.

73, Pete Smith N4ZR



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Re: Panasonic/Matsushita Switcher HV-PS u-Wave Oven

 

On Sep 20, 2006, at 1:30 PM, Dick wrote:

Very interesting Rich.
What would be the regulation of this switched mode power supply?
Cheers, Dick
I have no idea, but it has to be pretty good, since due to a switcher's light weight, if there was a lot of ESR, something would be likely to melt down.

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., R L Measures <r@...> wrote:

I purchased one unit from Costco. The price was $99. The unit was
surprisingly light in weight compared to my old transformer-
powered
400W u-wave oven. I found no RFI problem from 50 - 550 MHz. The
rating is 1300w, which is most probably the DC input power to the
magnetron. At 120V, c. 17A of current is drawn. If a SSB amateur
radio amplifier was built using the Matsushita switcher PS, two
units
are probably needed. By putting the 120V inputs to the two
switcher
supplies in series, operation from a standard, 240VCT, 20A outlet
would work. I have not yet disassembled the oven to measure the
HV.
Does anyone know what's the typical range of potentials used to
power
magnetrons of this size? tnx

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Re: New poll for ham_amplifiers

Peter Voelpel
 

Funny, the YC-156 TRIODE has 3 times that gain in GG.
I drive my grid driven 4CX3000A by a 4CX350a in class A
which I integrated into the amp

73
Peter


--- In ham_amplifiers@..., FRANCIS CARCIA <carcia@...>
wrote:

I never tried driving the grid but in gg it is close to X15 when
motivated by a pair of UTC CG310s on the high taps. I've read your
article a number of times on the on you did Rick. Frank wa1gfz

R L Measures <r@...> wrote: In grid-driven service,
the 4cx3000A has a power gain of c. 60x.

On Sep 20, 2006, at 4:51 PM, FRANCIS CARCIA wrote:

Yup Mike,
They all went to Frank because I have a box of 4CX3000As. They
also
work well in GG mode and have a bit more gain than the 4-1000A.
wa1gfz

Mike Sawyer <w3slk@...> wrote:
Frank,
I thought I took all your 4-1000's ;>) Welcome to the new group.
Mod-U-Lator,
Mike(y)
W3SLK
----- Original Message -----
From: FRANCIS CARCIA
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] New poll for ham_amplifiers

Maybe we could change the pole to what size breaker can you
trip.......I plea the fifth

ham_amplifiers@... wrote:

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
ham_amplifiers group:

what is the output power capability of your HF power amplifier.
(obviously we never exeed our legal limit)

o < 2 kW
o 3 kW
o 6 kW
o 12 kW
o > 15 kW

To vote, please visit the following web page:


Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!



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Re: New Group

 

On Sep 20, 2006, at 2:36 PM, FRANCIS CARCIA wrote:

man you got that right John.....all that useless mail. The one on wiring back to the breaker panel that went on for ever sent me a runnin. my $50,000 alpha won't work

jcoupejr <JCoupejr@...> wrote:
I am very happy we have found a new unmoderated home. Recent posts on
the old group have been boaring to say the least.

Welcome to all and lets continue to have free and meaningful
discussions on this great topic!
Unmoderated is a euphemism for uncensored. // As I see it, when a member goes over the top, he will be ignored by the rest of the discussion group and. if given enough time. he eventually wither on the vine. This is essentially censoring by everyone. I call it democratic censoring.

John Coupe
WA3BXH


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Re: Moderator

Mike&#92;(W5UC&#92;) & Kathy&#92;(K5MWH&#92;)
 

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The absence of secret moderators is a blessing.? Now if we can just avoid month long discussions about the miniscule merits of harmonic suppressors.


Pentalabs wrote:


To thrive, like a TV soap opera, a discussion group needs a
protagonist and an antagonist. Tom and yours truly are such. Without
Tom, my guess is that there will be a lot less entertainment value.



Re: [-] Re: Re: Panasonic/Matsushita Switcher HV-PS u-Wave Oven

 

On Sep 20, 2006, at 4:01 PM, Paul Playford wrote:

It is information like this that maintains my interest in amateur radio.
Are you interested enough to build one?

My guess is that 6 of the Panasonic switchers would power an 8170 in SSB-mode, especially if an energy-storage C bank was connected to the output and the units were powered from a 50A electric range outlet.

de Paul, W8AEF

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Glover" <r.glover@...>
To: <ham_amplifiers@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 2:39 PM
Subject: [-] Re: [ham_amplifiers] Re: Panasonic/Matsushita Switcher HV-PS
u-Wave Oven


Dave Smith VK3HZ did some ivvesigation of these, with interesting findings
at:

www.users.bigpond.net.au/dwsmith/hv_inverter.pdf

Roger



----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick" <pa3duv@...>
To: <ham_amplifiers@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:33 PM
Subject: [ham_amplifiers] Re: Panasonic/Matsushita Switcher HV-PS u-Wave
Oven


Very interesting Rich.
What would be the regulation of this switched mode power supply?
Cheers, Dick

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., R L Measures <r@...> wrote:

I purchased one unit from Costco. The price was $99. The unit was
surprisingly light in weight compared to my old transformer-
powered
400W u-wave oven. I found no RFI problem from 50 - 550 MHz. The
rating is 1300w, which is most probably the DC input power to the
magnetron. At 120V, c. 17A of current is drawn. If a SSB amateur
radio amplifier was built using the Matsushita switcher PS, two
units
are probably needed. By putting the 120V inputs to the two
switcher
supplies in series, operation from a standard, 240VCT, 20A outlet
would work. I have not yet disassembled the oven to measure the
HV.
Does anyone know what's the typical range of potentials used to
power
magnetrons of this size? tnx

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Re: New poll for ham_amplifiers

FRANCIS CARCIA
 

I never tried driving the grid but in gg it is close to X15 when motivated by a pair of UTC CG310s on the high taps. I've read your article a number of times on the on you did Rick. Frank wa1gfz

R L Measures wrote:

In grid-driven service, the 4cx3000A has a power gain of c. 60x.

On Sep 20, 2006, at 4:51 PM, FRANCIS CARCIA wrote:

> Yup Mike,
> They all went to Frank because I have a box of 4CX3000As. They also
> work well in GG mode and have a bit more gain than the 4-1000A.
> wa1gfz
>
> Mike Sawyer <w3slk@uplink.net> wrote:
> Frank,
> I thought I took all your 4-1000's ;>) Welcome to the new group.
> Mod-U-Lator,
> Mike(y)
> W3SLK
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: FRANCIS CARCIA
> To: ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 5:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] New poll for ham_amplifiers
>
> Maybe we could change the pole to what size breaker can you
> trip.......I plea the fifth
>
> ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> ham_amplifiers group:
>
> what is the output power capability of your HF power amplifier.
> (obviously we never exeed our legal limit)
>
> o < 2 kW
> o 3 kW
> o 6 kW
> o 12 kW
> o > 15 kW
>
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
>
>
> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
> not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
> web site listed above.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>

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Re: Moderator

 

On Sep 20, 2006, at 4:11 PM, pentalab wrote:

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., "w5uc" <w5uc@...> wrote:

There is something really wrong when the name of the moderator must
be
kept a secret. Looking forward to enjoying the new group.

73.
Mike, W5UC
### agreed ! This new group is gonna blow away the
old 'amps' group.... hands down...
To thrive, like a TV soap opera, a discussion group needs a protagonist and an antagonist. Tom and yours truly are such. Without Tom, my guess is that there will be a lot less entertainment value.

stay tuned.

Later... and greetings... from Jim VE7RF






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Can Grid Dissipation in metal GG triodes be increased ????

pentalab
 

Gents

On these 3CX-6000's and also the socketless version [ YC-243],
I fool with from time to time, Eimac/ Svetlana state's the grid
diss at 225 Watts CCS. [3CX-3000A7 is also 225 w CCS grid]

Now, since the tube(s) can be operated in either GG OR grid
driven.... it occured to me that in grid driven mode... the grid
should still has a 225 w CCS rating ???

The point here is..... in GG service... you bolt this huge grid
ring to the chassis.... and in the case of the socketless
version.... an even bigger diam grid flange is bolted to the
chassis !

Now... that alone should heatsink the grid ??? Since the grid
is sitting in a vac... the only way for thermal heat to escape is
via the grid flange.

Since the below chassis compartment is pressurized... one might
think the actual grid dissipation can perhaps be increased via
this heatsink action ?? [GG mode]

Am I out to lunch here ???

Later..... Jim VE7RF


Re: Censorship/Administrator

 

On Sep 20, 2006, at 4:18 PM, pentalab wrote:

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., FRANCIS CARCIA <carcia@...>
wrote:

I just hope we don't spend 3 weeks deciding which size wire to run
to the shack.
That one sent me running away.
### I suggested at least 2 ga wire to my buddy. Turns out it
shoulda been a heluva lot bigger.... once we determined the
peak current on the 240 vac line.... every 8.3 msecs..... using
Duncans amp tools. The chief culprit was the input Z of the
plate xfmr primary [aprx 70 ohms]... and NOT the
meassured .08 ohm Dc resistance.
The Z looking into the primary is a function of what's on the secondary.

### To get bigger wire to fit a 100 A breaker.... snip a few
strands off the outer layer... and re-twist... fits like a glove.
Silver soldering the remaining strands with 6%-Ag, 94%-Sn (221?C)
solder is helpful.

Later... Jim VE7RF









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Re: New poll for ham_amplifiers

 

In grid-driven service, the 4cx3000A has a power gain of c. 60x.


On Sep 20, 2006, at 4:51 PM, FRANCIS CARCIA wrote:

Yup Mike,
They all went to Frank because I have a box of 4CX3000As. They also work well in GG mode and have a bit more gain than the 4-1000A. wa1gfz

Mike Sawyer <w3slk@...> wrote:
Frank,
I thought I took all your 4-1000's ;>) Welcome to the new group.
Mod-U-Lator,
Mike(y)
W3SLK
----- Original Message -----
From: FRANCIS CARCIA
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] New poll for ham_amplifiers

Maybe we could change the pole to what size breaker can you trip.......I plea the fifth

ham_amplifiers@... wrote:

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
ham_amplifiers group:

what is the output power capability of your HF power amplifier.
(obviously we never exeed our legal limit)

o < 2 kW
o 3 kW
o 6 kW
o 12 kW
o > 15 kW

To vote, please visit the following web page:


Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!



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Re: Panasonic/Matsushita Switcher HV-PS u-Wave Oven

 

Tnx, PAUL. Sounds like two Panasonic switcher supplies would run an 8877 om SSB.

On Sep 19, 2006, at 7:32 PM, w8aef wrote:

I found the following web page:

appliance_magnetron_tube_
home.htm

de Paul, W8AEF


Does anyone know what's the typical range of potentials used to
power
magnetrons of this size? tnx

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Re: New poll for ham_amplifiers

FRANCIS CARCIA
 

Yup Mike,
They all went to Frank because?I have a box of 4CX3000As. They also work well in GG mode and have a bit more gain than the 4-1000A.? wa1gfz?

Mike Sawyer wrote:

Frank,
??? I thought I took all your 4-1000's ;>) Welcome to the new group.
Mod-U-Lator,
Mike(y)
W3SLK
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] New poll for ham_amplifiers

Maybe we could change the pole to what size breaker can you trip.......I plea the fifth

ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
ham_amplifiers group:

what is the output power capability of your HF power amplifier.
(obviously we never exeed our legal limit)

o < 2 kW
o 3 kW
o 6 kW
o 12 kW
o > 15 kW

To vote, please visit the following web page:


Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!




Re: Censorship/Administrator

pentalab
 

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., FRANCIS CARCIA <carcia@...>
wrote:

I just hope we don't spend 3 weeks deciding which size wire to run
to the shack.
That one sent me running away.
### I suggested at least 2 ga wire to my buddy. Turns out it
shoulda been a heluva lot bigger.... once we determined the
peak current on the 240 vac line.... every 8.3 msecs..... using
Duncans amp tools. The chief culprit was the input Z of the
plate xfmr primary [aprx 70 ohms]... and NOT the
meassured .08 ohm Dc resistance.

### To get bigger wire to fit a 100 A breaker.... snip a few
strands off the outer layer... and re-twist... fits like a glove.

Later... Jim VE7RF


Re: Moderator

pentalab
 

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., "w5uc" <w5uc@...> wrote:

There is something really wrong when the name of the moderator must
be
kept a secret. Looking forward to enjoying the new group.

73.
Mike, W5UC
### agreed ! This new group is gonna blow away the
old 'amps' group.... hands down... stay tuned.

Later... and greetings... from Jim VE7RF


Re: About 4-1000 family

pentalab
 

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., "David C. Hallam"
<dhallam@...> wrote:

Guillermo,

The PR version of the 4-1000A stands for pulse rated and simply
means the
internal structure will handle very high current on a intermittent
basis.
Others may give you a different take on the idle current, but not
having a
copy of that handbook I would think that is for 2 tubes. ZSAC (
zero signal
anode current) for AB1/AB2 is generally adjusted to give about 1/2
of the
rated dissipation of the tube(s).
### The PR version will handle sky high plate voltages...
like 10-30 KV.

### In GG... with around 7 v of zener bias.... and 4800V... I
was seeing around 70 Ma ZSAC. [single tube]

### A small SPST CENTER OFF toggle switch and a string of
diodes will provide 3 x bias positions..... and a rotary
switch is the ultimate set up. I also found that the vdrop
across the string of either 1N5408's or 6A1O's [ 1 kv - 6 A..
400 A surge] diodes increases from aprx .7 V to almost .8 V
when current thru em increases from 200 ma to 2 A.

### I installed 7 x 1000 uf lytics in parallel [7000 uf]
across the entire mess of diodes...... resulted in superb bias
regulation. Just beware... the wire leads from the diodes IS
the heatsink for the diodes. The 6 A diodes run luke warm
with 2 A CCS thru em.

Later... Jim VE7RF



David
KC2JD


Re: [-] Re: Re: Panasonic/Matsushita Switcher HV-PS u-Wave Oven

Paul Playford
 

It is information like this that maintains my interest in amateur radio.

de Paul, W8AEF

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Glover" <r.glover@...>
To: <ham_amplifiers@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 2:39 PM
Subject: [-] Re: [ham_amplifiers] Re: Panasonic/Matsushita Switcher HV-PS u-Wave Oven


Dave Smith VK3HZ did some ivvesigation of these, with interesting findings
at:

www.users.bigpond.net.au/dwsmith/hv_inverter.pdf

Roger



----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick" <pa3duv@...>
To: <ham_amplifiers@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:33 PM
Subject: [ham_amplifiers] Re: Panasonic/Matsushita Switcher HV-PS u-Wave
Oven


Very interesting Rich.
What would be the regulation of this switched mode power supply?
Cheers, Dick

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., R L Measures <r@...> wrote:

I purchased one unit from Costco. The price was $99. The unit was
surprisingly light in weight compared to my old transformer-
powered
400W u-wave oven. I found no RFI problem from 50 - 550 MHz. The
rating is 1300w, which is most probably the DC input power to the
magnetron. At 120V, c. 17A of current is drawn. If a SSB amateur
radio amplifier was built using the Matsushita switcher PS, two
units
are probably needed. By putting the 120V inputs to the two
switcher
supplies in series, operation from a standard, 240VCT, 20A outlet
would work. I have not yet disassembled the oven to measure the
HV.
Does anyone know what's the typical range of potentials used to
power
magnetrons of this size? tnx

R L MEASURES, AG6K. 805-386-3734
r@...