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Re: G3SEK TRIODE BOARD on eBay

 

Thanks for that insight, Reid.
With all that?being said, the electronic methods for control and protection of triode and tetrode amplifiers haven't changed....Ian's circuits, from an electronics standpoint, are still valid. That being the case, duplicating the circuits with modern components on new boards is entirely feasible for someone with PCB design experience. Whether or not anyone is willing to take up the project is really the crux of the matter, and support of the product is an option entirely up to the person doing the work. I'm not willing to take on that project, but it seems likely to me that someone?would.


Thanks,
Robin Midgett K4IDC


On Mon, Jan 13, 2025 at 10:02?AM Brandon DX via <rfburnz=[email protected]> wrote:
I contacted a friend of Ian's and he dialed him up and asked to comment on the subject at hand.
Ian said he basically was unable to help, here's his reply
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"There have been a few inquiries about reissuing the boards, but I'm afraid that is no longer workable. Here's why:

1. Those boards were designed more than 25 years ago, and many of the components are now obsolete. This was already becoming a problem when I closed the business, and of course has only become worse. Also the software that I used to create the boards and schematics is way out of date, so I can't even edit the files any more.

2. Even if by some miracle I could find the Gerber files, all of those other changes mean that re-issued boards would in reality be new products, each with its own new range of support issues. I always took the "lifetime support" commitment very seriously, but today I don't even have the amplifiers or the test rigs to simulate faults or provide support. Too many things have changed."

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That's life, things change.

73

Reid Brandon? W6MTF

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Re: G3SEK TRIODE BOARD on eBay

 

I was reminded there is another source for boards to use with a triode OR tetrode, one built in France
A couple of years ago I was in a discussion about using one of them on a larger tetrode in Europe.
Not certain how that turned out but I bought one of the boards but never completed the project.
Check out the link, it may come up in French but there is a button to translate to English.
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Dom is an active designer and quite friendly and able to communicate despite the language barrier.
This should then be considered a new source of boards for use with tube linears.?
73,
Reid W6MTF


Re: G3SEK TRIODE BOARD on eBay

 

I contacted a friend of Ian's and he dialed him up and asked to comment on the subject at hand.
Ian said he basically was unable to help, here's his reply
?

"There have been a few inquiries about reissuing the boards, but I'm afraid that is no longer workable. Here's why:

1. Those boards were designed more than 25 years ago, and many of the components are now obsolete. This was already becoming a problem when I closed the business, and of course has only become worse. Also the software that I used to create the boards and schematics is way out of date, so I can't even edit the files any more.

2. Even if by some miracle I could find the Gerber files, all of those other changes mean that re-issued boards would in reality be new products, each with its own new range of support issues. I always took the "lifetime support" commitment very seriously, but today I don't even have the amplifiers or the test rigs to simulate faults or provide support. Too many things have changed."

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That's life, things change.

73

Reid Brandon? W6MTF

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Re: Keying interface

 

My Fault Bob, I thought you had an HL-2200, that is Rons comment. Sorry for the confusion.
Bob N9NRW


Re: Keying interface

 

You could just use the sb-220 softkey circuit and eliminate the need for the external power.?
I stuck it on a strip board.?
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Re: Keying interface

 

It looks like my drawing will work. I used a 2N2222 to switch it. This is done on a perf board only. The amp
keying is 25 volts?@ 60 mA so I'll have to determine the 2N2222 base resistor. I'm measuring just under 7mA
on the diode side which is what the radio will see. I would like it down to 5 or 6mA.?

To get the voltage and current down on the diode side I made a voltage divider?which brings the voltage down to
around 6 1/2, which is where I'm measuring?the diode current at just under 7mA.?

Still working at it.

Bob W4JFA

On Sun, Jan 12, 2025 at 4:27?PM Bob via <W4JFABob=[email protected]> wrote:
Ron, Thank you. I'm trying to learn these optocouplers?so I need to figure out on my own.
Attached is my drawing. After looking around I may order? a few 4N25's.
Bob W4JFA

On Sun, Jan 12, 2025 at 10:24?AM Ron via <rolexa=[email protected]> wrote:
Another simple almost complete interface costing a few $$:? An Arduino 12V relay module.? It has an optoisolator input driving a reed relay.? 12V power, and a couple cables are all that's needed to make the interface.? I've used it to connect my Ten Tec Jupiter to my Heathkit HL2200 linear.??
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Re: Keying interface

 

Ron, Thank you. I'm trying to learn these optocouplers?so I need to figure out on my own.
Attached is my drawing. After looking around I may order? a few 4N25's.
Bob W4JFA

On Sun, Jan 12, 2025 at 10:24?AM Ron via <rolexa=[email protected]> wrote:
Another simple almost complete interface costing a few $$:? An Arduino 12V relay module.? It has an optoisolator input driving a reed relay.? 12V power, and a couple cables are all that's needed to make the interface.? I've used it to connect my Ten Tec Jupiter to my Heathkit HL2200 linear.??
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KD9SV Ft. End Protectr

 

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Years ago Gary made a relay-driven protector

when it was seen that a large RF signal could

damage the circuitry of the transceiver’s RX2

port.

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It turned out to be an excellent RF amplifier

keying driver as the high quality of the driver

relay provided a worthwhile isolation.

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There are a number of available products

these days, I hear. Like ?I.C.E. Products,

the KD9SV stamp is to investigate.

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Hal

W4HBM

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Re: Keying interface

 

Another simple almost complete interface costing a few $$:? An Arduino 12V relay module.? It has an optoisolator input driving a reed relay.? 12V power, and a couple cables are all that's needed to make the interface.? I've used it to connect my Ten Tec Jupiter to my Heathkit HL2200 linear.??
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Keying interface

 

Hi all,

Since I'm now retired I have time to goof off. I was trying to design an amplifier
keying interface using an optocoupler. I don't need one since I already?built a few using BJT's?and/or darlingtons so this is just killing time on a rainy day.

I have an MCT61. I haven't been able to figure out the datasheet since it seems
to list things in a different way. The?datasheet is probably fine, it's just I have virtually no experience with optocouplers.

So using the DATA DIN on the back of my 850 and 870 I need to keep the current draw on that DIN under 10 mA so my target is 6 mA.?

I made a voltage divider?to keep the voltage down to the opto and also keep the current down on the radio's 12 volt supply. I did hit my target of 6 mA and also I measured 6 mA on the diode side of the opto but on the transistor side of the opto?
I measured 85 ohms from C to E when turned on so I feel the?opto was not completely turning on the transistor side. I was hoping to see zero ohms when turned on, not 85 or so.

What I was going to do next is use a regular switching BJT driven by the transistor
side of the opto to do the amplifier keying/switching. I haven't got to that part of this
experiment yet but my gut feeling is I don't have the correct optocoupler for this
project. Again I need to keep the current draw on the Kenwood radio's DIN plug at 6mA so my thinking is I need an opto that will completely saturate the transistor side with 6mA current on the diode side and it doesn't look like what I have can do that.

Again, this is just for fun but if I'm successful?I'll make one for my amps.

Am I on the right track?

Thanks for reading.

Bob W4JFA


Re: G3SEK TRIODE BOARD on eBay

 

The Art Work for the PCBs is the property G3SEK. The circuitry is nothing special and is Public Domain. Using any one of the popular PCB Design CAD Programs (Altium Designer/Circuit Studio/Maker), Novram Diptrace, or Kicad those boards could be designed and the Gerber Files generated with a weeks worth of work.


On Fri, Jan 10, 2025, 6:33?PM HaL Mandel via <hmandel=[email protected]> wrote:

Hullo Tracey and the Group,

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Does anyone chat about with Ian, GM3SEK?

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He’s a member of the Oxford University Radio

club, and still active on VHF, I believe.

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Perhaps he might “Pass along the ball” to

the next generation, seeing as how his

design has been growing in popularity.

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Hal Mandel

W4HBM


Re: G3SEK TRIODE BOARD on eBay

 

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Hullo Tracey and the Group,

?

Does anyone chat about with Ian, GM3SEK?

?

He’s a member of the Oxford University Radio

club, and still active on VHF, I believe.

?

Perhaps he might “Pass along the ball” to

the next generation, seeing as how his

design has been growing in popularity.

?

Hal Mandel

W4HBM


Re: G3SEK TRIODE BOARD on eBay

 

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RE: GM3SEK Tetrode Controller?????????????

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Somewhere in the collection of 50 some years of

building amplifiers there exists a new, pristine

collection of Tetrode Controller stuff.

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There are two boards, unpopulated as yet.

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If I wanted to duplicate these boards where

is a recommended tech?

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TNX

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Hal Mandel

W4HBM


Re: G3SEK TRIODE BOARD on eBay

 

Is there a reason why we couldn't do a run of these, if G3SEK doesn't want to produce them (looking at the website, looks like it was last updated in 2020)?
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I have one of these I purchased a very long time ago around here somewhere with the manual that I've never built.?
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-Brian N9ADG
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Re: G3SEK TRIODE BOARD on eBay

 

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I have a complete, unbuilt WD7S Triode Kit, which I'm never going to use.

See

I would entertain the thought of selling it if it is of interest to anyone.

73, Alek VK6APK.


On 10/01/2025 1:24 am, Jeremy Maris wrote:

This listing sold on Thu, 9 Jan at 4:18 PM GMT ...

On 9 Jan 2025, at 16:31, mike repinski via <mikflathead@...> wrote:

Must be on the European Ebay? Does not show up on mine.

On Thursday, January 9, 2025 at 10:46:24 AM EST, Tracey Gardner G5VU via <tracey.gardner@...> wrote:



These are now as rare as hen's teeth, so I thought that I'd flag it to the list in case anybody is interested.
I have no connection with the seller.

See eBay Item No. 116441758244

73s Tracey G5VU







Re: GG Amplifiers Bias Cut Off

 

On Thu, Jan 9, 2025 at 11:21 AM, Alek Petkovic wrote:

>I'm not very familiar with the L7 Francois but if I guess you could do two tubes at once.

>Even if you just turn on the amplifier and key it, at full plate volts, if you think the tubes are OK. Run it like that without any drive and maybe you will get enough anode current for you to see the anodes glow red after >some time. If you get 100mA per tube, that is 250W. The anodes should glow red after a while.

>If you know the tubes are not good, you should go with the W8JI method of lowering the voltage, if possible.


With ZERO bias, and using the SSB position,? you will end up with .220 x 2600 vdc = 572 watts, which will make both tubes go cherry red.?

JI's method uses a small lab typ supply, like my 0-30 vdc @ 3 amp? supply? ( I also have a 0-60 vdc @ 10 amps).? ?The advantage is.....? you can then use the CW (1900 vdc position)? and? again, with NO series diode bias / zener bias..... hook up the lab supply with the negative of the lab supply going to the CT...and the positive of the supply going to the chassis.? ?Then key the amp..... and slowly increase the vdc? of the lab supply? till un draw loads of plate current.? ? What u are doing is biasing the grids positive...which will of course cause the ide current to increase by a huge amount.?

IE:? with 12-25 vdc applied from the lab supply, you will draw 375 ma of idle current.....and at 1900 vdc? will =? 700 watts on idle....which is enough to make both tubes get good and red.?


Re: G3SEK TRIODE BOARD on eBay

 

Thanks for the link. I was thinking more than what it sold for.

On Thursday, January 9, 2025 at 01:55:41 PM EST, Jeremy Maris <jeremy@...> wrote:


Yes, but board was in Portugal.




On 9 Jan 2025, at 18:04, mike repinski via groups.io <mikflathead@...> wrote:

Still can't find it? Is this a European Ebay?

On Thursday, January 9, 2025 at 12:24:34 PM EST, Jeremy Maris <jeremy@...> wrote:


This listing sold on Thu, 9 Jan at 4:18 PM GMT ...

On 9 Jan 2025, at 16:31, mike repinski via <mikflathead@...> wrote:

Must be on the European Ebay? Does not show up on mine.

On Thursday, January 9, 2025 at 10:46:24 AM EST, Tracey Gardner G5VU via <tracey.gardner@...> wrote:



These are now as rare as hen's teeth, so I thought that I'd flag it to the list in case anybody is interested.
I have no connection with the seller.

See eBay Item No. 116441758244

73s Tracey G5VU








Re: G3SEK TRIODE BOARD on eBay

 

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Yes, but board was in Portugal.




On 9 Jan 2025, at 18:04, mike repinski via groups.io <mikflathead@...> wrote:

Still can't find it? Is this a European Ebay?

On Thursday, January 9, 2025 at 12:24:34 PM EST, Jeremy Maris <jeremy@...> wrote:


This listing sold on Thu, 9 Jan at 4:18 PM GMT ...

On 9 Jan 2025, at 16:31, mike repinski via <mikflathead@...> wrote:

Must be on the European Ebay? Does not show up on mine.

On Thursday, January 9, 2025 at 10:46:24 AM EST, Tracey Gardner G5VU via <tracey.gardner@...> wrote:



These are now as rare as hen's teeth, so I thought that I'd flag it to the list in case anybody is interested.
I have no connection with the seller.

See eBay Item No. 116441758244

73s Tracey G5VU








Re: G3SEK TRIODE BOARD on eBay

 

Still can't find it? Is this a European Ebay?

On Thursday, January 9, 2025 at 12:24:34 PM EST, Jeremy Maris <jeremy@...> wrote:


This listing sold on Thu, 9 Jan at 4:18 PM GMT ...

On 9 Jan 2025, at 16:31, mike repinski via <mikflathead@...> wrote:

Must be on the European Ebay? Does not show up on mine.

On Thursday, January 9, 2025 at 10:46:24 AM EST, Tracey Gardner G5VU via <tracey.gardner@...> wrote:



These are now as rare as hen's teeth, so I thought that I'd flag it to the list in case anybody is interested.
I have no connection with the seller.

See eBay Item No. 116441758244

73s Tracey G5VU







Re: G3SEK TRIODE BOARD on eBay

 

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This listing sold on Thu, 9 Jan at 4:18 PM GMT ...

On 9 Jan 2025, at 16:31, mike repinski via <mikflathead@...> wrote:

Must be on the European Ebay? Does not show up on mine.

On Thursday, January 9, 2025 at 10:46:24 AM EST, Tracey Gardner G5VU via <tracey.gardner@...> wrote:



These are now as rare as hen's teeth, so I thought that I'd flag it to the list in case anybody is interested.
I have no connection with the seller.

See eBay Item No. 116441758244

73s Tracey G5VU