开云体育

ctrl + shift + ? for shortcuts
© 2025 Groups.io
  1. Ham-Amplifiers
  2. Messages
Expanded Topics Messages Polls
Date
Re: The real benefits of running qro.

pentalab
 

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., "bendeguz007" <cgyenes@...>
wrote:

SO WHAT, now you have EXTREAME QRO amp, they hear you: 200 dB over S-
9

BUT you have NO antenna to HEAR them!
I'd rather hear them, then talk to them with my 100W mobile with a
Hi- Q-HF antenna.

Charlie, VA7HIQ/W6
### HI-Q traps are precisely why traps in tapped tri band yagi's
usually melt ! My buddy's TA-33 jr... with just a sb-220....
looked like u hit it with a propane torch... and all the fiberglass
coil forms were all melted. The new mosely pro- series
tribander's.. allthough rated at "5 kw" will handle 600 W ccs max..
then they are toast too. The circulating current is so high.. the AL
wire used gets too hot.. and melts the forms.

### If u want real hi power mobile... 1/2 the problem is just
generating it. Of course Dahl makes a special 3 phase plate xfmr...
for the 11m mobile ops!

### The bare min u require for semi reliable 80-40m operation is 500
w. Going from 100w to 500w is 7 db.. a huge amount. On ssb
that's easy... since the average current is so low.

### Like Doc Bob sez.... then u gotta debug for RFI etc. I knew one
guy who had his big tube amp fired up in his mobile.... and going down
the highway... killed the ignition dead in a van that was in the next
lane over. He did it again to a few more vehicles[including one cop]
while stopped at red lights !.. a real hoot.

### There are loads of those IM Italy class C distortion box's out
there... mobile. The SGC 500w unit does an easy 800 w.

later... Jim VE7RF
Re: God Complex

craxd
 

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., "Dr. Robert
Bonner" <rbonner@...> wrote:

You might have noticed I stayed out of the political discussion of
running power. Lets move on to the topic of the Religious
Implications
of Running Power.

Steve, nice construction job.

Sincerely,
BOB DD
Cough!!

Pull the QRO plug on Joe Scarborough, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly,
Pat Robertson, and Jerry Falwell? Just dreaming.......

Best, LOL

Will
Re: The real benefits of running qro.

Bill Turner
 

ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 12:17:22 -0600, "Robert B. Bonner"
<rbonner@...> wrote:

I was thinking the other day... I wonder how hard it would be to build an
X-2159 1 megawatt amplifier for 80 meters? I wonder what it would be like
to be the first 1 megawatt ham? "HELLO RADIO" I bet the FCC wouldn't
violate me, they'd give me an award for creative thinking and just tell say,
"OK BOB turn it off"
------------ REPLY FOLLOWS ------------

I would hope instead of "hello radio" it would be "hello officer".

Bill, W6WRT
Re: The real benefits of running qro.

Robert B. Bonner
 

SO WHAT, now you have EXTREAME QRO amp, they hear you: 200 dB over S-9

BUT you have NO antenna to HEAR them!
I'd rather hear them, then talk to them with my 100W mobile with a Hi- Q-HF
antenna.

Charlie, VA7HIQ/W6


Charlie, you make a wrong turn on the 405? Where's your amplifier? Dreams,
Fantasy's and Desires? It's just not acceptable to say I've done it all
until they flip the lid shut for the last time.

I've got 30+ years mobile. You aren't really making RF until your AM
radio's front end has blown out, you've made the electronic fuel control on
your diesel pickup "Shut OFF" or backfire while towing on the freeway, and
your trailer brake controller needs RFI protection to keep from locking up
the brakes every time you talk on the radio. The rig has dual batteries but
have also added an extra alternator just incase to keep things up to snuff.


You pull up to a toll booth on the Jersey Turnpike and smack all the light
fixtures with your antenna bent over about 5 feet... The toll booth lady
looks you in the eye and says, THAT'S NOT A LEGAL HEIGHT ON THE TURNPIKE and
you answer, OH that's for measuring bridge heights, I'm a contractor working
for the state do you want to see my authorization? Turning and mumbling its
right here somewhere... Hey, It's totally adjustable, see look watch it go
up and down, whirrrrrrrr....

Pull out of the booth, yeah standby I have to retune... You wouldn't
believe what I had to do this time guys...

Any mobile less than 1KW output and shorter than a 14 foot tall antenna is
just more QRM on the band. Yeah you can hear them all right but you are the
same guy they say... WHO'S the MOBILE IN THERE? Try again..

I'd rather have them say... "YOU'RE MOBILE?" WOW... My mobile has always
been louder than most 100 watt home stations.

To do mobile right, you take an acceptable vehicle platform, install 200 amp
wiring, the optimum antenna, the best rig and the biggest amplifier. You
then work all the bugs out of the vehicle until it tolerates what you need
to do for radio.

You can never run ENOUGH power mobile and that takes an amplifier. That's
REAL RADIO.

Semper Amplio,

BOB DD
Re: The real benefits of running qro.

 

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., "Robert B. Bonner"
<rbonner@...> wrote:

When I get feisty I build a TESLA COIL and have my wife climb on top
naked... Start singing You light up my life and hit the "GO SWITCH"
I'm serious about that BTW.

I was thinking the other day... I wonder how hard it would be to
build an
X-2159 1 megawatt amplifier for 80 meters? I wonder what it would
be like
to be the first 1 megawatt ham? "HELLO RADIO" I bet the FCC
wouldn't
violate me, they'd give me an award for creative thinking and just
tell say,
"OK BOB turn it off"

But man, the month before that would be pretty neat. Talk about
the annals
of ham radio history. Now wouldn't that be fun? 60 over nine
coast to
coast during the daytime...

Somebody wanna send me $1,000,000 in development money so I can
build it?
I'd go out in the middle of the state, call up the power utility
and have a
sub station installed and go to work....

I stick up a 5/8th wave vertical on 3.7MHz with a 10 foot tall base
insulator and lay in 120 2/0 gauge radial wires. Getten Wood...
Have a
nice Sunday guys.

BOB DD

-----Original Message-----
From: ham_amplifiers@...
[mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]
On Behalf Of Garry
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 9:37 AM
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Re: The real benefits of running qro.

Jim,

Your comments below are FUNNY, and make me laugh. The world needs
more
of this. It feels good!!!!

Regards,
Garry

PA3DUV wrote:


Jim,

You did not mention the saved monies otherwise spend on shrinks,
lawyers
and doctors etc. As you can see a QRO amp pays for itself. 30
hours
councelling @ 200 Euro/h pays for a 10 kW+ amplifier.
Actually it should be obligatory for any ham to own AND run a QRO
amplifier.

Cheers, Dick
PA3DUV




----- Original Message -----
*From:* pentalab <mailto:jim.thomson@...>
*To:* ham_amplifiers@...
<mailto:ham_amplifiers@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, January 07, 2007 3:11 PM
*Subject:* [ham_amplifiers] Re: The real benefits of running
qro.

--- In ham_amplifiers@...
<mailto:ham_amplifiers@...>, "Robert B. Bonner"
<rbonner@> wrote:
>
>
>
> Extremely high power makes for an interesting experiment
thats
all.

### agreed. 2.5 kw out becomes so boring... it's mundane...
like
pushing a lawnmower aimlessly about.. or punching holes in
doughnuts.

I have not used my big box on real antennas for many many
years.
However i still fire it up into a dummy load, and i still try
and
> improve its circuits. Does that make sense probably not.

### sure it makes sense... called... "tweaking"
and .."boiling oil"

>
> Anything above 1 kilowatt is very hard to justify on the
needs of a
> communications circuit.

### say what ?? 13 kw is a real kick.... 1 call does it all.
No
need to mess about trying to crack a pile up... hit the
switch,,,
in/out in 5 seconds every time. You BECOME the pile up.

I would argue that its only the lower bands where it may be of
some help. Even then its hardly needed

#### Tell that the guys with s9 noise... or even more with
summer
time static.

and is only helpful in the case of jammers etc.

### Then u gotta get ur buddy's to run some serious qro too...
called reverse jamming.. where the jammer is just wasting his
time...and everyone just talks over him.

Its shame having a high electricity bill because someone else
has
a poor receiving location!

### Did ud really see a high electric bill ??? At night... I
shut
off the natural gas furnace and natural gas fireplace... since
shack in basement 8 x 10' room. Usually use just one small 1
kw
baseboard heater. Run some kw's.... and baseboard heater gets
shut
off... so it's a wash.

### I never could understand why these qrp 5 watt artists..
would
sit there in Colo... and have a 1500 w CCS electric heater
going at
their feet in winter time in basement. So u see... qro has
merits.

### qro heats ur home... makes u feel better, reduces
stress.. u
feel like u just beat collins/henry/harris, at their own
game...
lots of satisfaction, ur friends are all impressed..esp wide
eyed
computer geeks, and it's fun to watch plate meter's bouncing
up/down...ditto with wattmeter. You have the only 0-5 A plate
meter in town. You have the only 0-1 A grid meter in town. You
have the only 10/25 kw slug in town. Ur plate xfmr will power
8 x
homes in winter. Ur girlfriend will be dully impressed. You
have
more power than the local college FM station. Ur friends with
25
watt push pull tube audio amps are really impressed, [esp
with a 2
x4-1000 amp.. and a window, and tubes cherry red] U have more
power
than 99.99% of the hams on the planet. Ur mother would be
proud.
Pundits think you are actually a 'broadcast engineer'. 11m
ops are
really impressed. You can dim all the lights on your street.
Who
else can say they actually smoked the pole-pig in front of
their
home.... and plunged the entire street into darkness. No need
for
counselling or self medication. You are more focused, and have
better concentration..esp around 8-10 kv. You can light up
several 8' fluorescent tubes in your back yard... with no
wires
attached. People stay clear of you in aisle 6 of your local
grocery
store. You can casually mention stuff at the local hamfest...
like
how you set the tree's on fire.. and blew the end insulator's
off ur
dipole. You can give a real Corona demo late at night. You
once
melted RG-17 on 10m. QST will never publish your schematic.

Later Jim.. VE7RF



Yahoo! Groups Links
SO WHAT, now you have EXTREAME QRO amp, they hear you: 200 dB over S-9

BUT you have NO antenna to HEAR them!
I'd rather hear them, then talk to them with my 100W mobile with a Hi-
Q-HF antenna.

Charlie, VA7HIQ/W6
Re: The real benefits of running qro.

Harold Mandel
 

开云体育

Hey B?B,

?

From the most recent go around here about amplifiers you wouldn’t need a substation

as long as you didn’t hold the key down in tune-up longer than let’s say 8.3 microseconds….

?

You could probably get away with putting a penny in the fuse holder and just look

out the window at your pole pig and “tune for the most steam” coming out its vent.

?

Hal

?

[snip]
I was thinking the other day... I wonder how hard it would be to build an
X-2159 1 megawatt amplifier for 80 meters? I wonder what it would be like
to be the first 1 megawatt ham? "HELLO RADIO"
I'd go out in the middle of the state, call up the power utility and have a
sub station installed and go to work....

[snippety-snip]
Re: The real benefits of running qro.

Robert B. Bonner
 

When I get feisty I build a TESLA COIL and have my wife climb on top
naked... Start singing You light up my life and hit the "GO SWITCH"
I'm serious about that BTW.

I was thinking the other day... I wonder how hard it would be to build an
X-2159 1 megawatt amplifier for 80 meters? I wonder what it would be like
to be the first 1 megawatt ham? "HELLO RADIO" I bet the FCC wouldn't
violate me, they'd give me an award for creative thinking and just tell say,
"OK BOB turn it off"

But man, the month before that would be pretty neat. Talk about the annals
of ham radio history. Now wouldn't that be fun? 60 over nine coast to
coast during the daytime...

Somebody wanna send me $1,000,000 in development money so I can build it?
I'd go out in the middle of the state, call up the power utility and have a
sub station installed and go to work....

I stick up a 5/8th wave vertical on 3.7MHz with a 10 foot tall base
insulator and lay in 120 2/0 gauge radial wires. Getten Wood... Have a
nice Sunday guys.

BOB DD

-----Original Message-----
From: ham_amplifiers@... [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]
On Behalf Of Garry
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 9:37 AM
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Re: The real benefits of running qro.

Jim,

Your comments below are FUNNY, and make me laugh. The world needs more
of this. It feels good!!!!

Regards,
Garry

PA3DUV wrote:


Jim,

You did not mention the saved monies otherwise spend on shrinks, lawyers
and doctors etc. As you can see a QRO amp pays for itself. 30 hours
councelling @ 200 Euro/h pays for a 10 kW+ amplifier.
Actually it should be obligatory for any ham to own AND run a QRO
amplifier.

Cheers, Dick
PA3DUV




----- Original Message -----
*From:* pentalab <mailto:jim.thomson@...>
*To:* ham_amplifiers@...
<mailto:ham_amplifiers@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, January 07, 2007 3:11 PM
*Subject:* [ham_amplifiers] Re: The real benefits of running qro.

--- In ham_amplifiers@...
<mailto:ham_amplifiers@...>, "Robert B. Bonner"
<rbonner@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Extremely high power makes for an interesting experiment thats
all.

### agreed. 2.5 kw out becomes so boring... it's mundane... like
pushing a lawnmower aimlessly about.. or punching holes in
doughnuts.

I have not used my big box on real antennas for many many years.
However i still fire it up into a dummy load, and i still try and
> improve its circuits. Does that make sense probably not.

### sure it makes sense... called... "tweaking" and .."boiling oil"

>
> Anything above 1 kilowatt is very hard to justify on the needs of a
> communications circuit.

### say what ?? 13 kw is a real kick.... 1 call does it all. No
need to mess about trying to crack a pile up... hit the switch,,,
in/out in 5 seconds every time. You BECOME the pile up.

I would argue that its only the lower bands where it may be of
some help. Even then its hardly needed

#### Tell that the guys with s9 noise... or even more with summer
time static.

and is only helpful in the case of jammers etc.

### Then u gotta get ur buddy's to run some serious qro too...
called reverse jamming.. where the jammer is just wasting his
time...and everyone just talks over him.

Its shame having a high electricity bill because someone else has
a poor receiving location!

### Did ud really see a high electric bill ??? At night... I shut
off the natural gas furnace and natural gas fireplace... since
shack in basement 8 x 10' room. Usually use just one small 1 kw
baseboard heater. Run some kw's.... and baseboard heater gets shut
off... so it's a wash.

### I never could understand why these qrp 5 watt artists.. would
sit there in Colo... and have a 1500 w CCS electric heater going at
their feet in winter time in basement. So u see... qro has merits.

### qro heats ur home... makes u feel better, reduces stress.. u
feel like u just beat collins/henry/harris, at their own game...
lots of satisfaction, ur friends are all impressed..esp wide eyed
computer geeks, and it's fun to watch plate meter's bouncing
up/down...ditto with wattmeter. You have the only 0-5 A plate
meter in town. You have the only 0-1 A grid meter in town. You
have the only 10/25 kw slug in town. Ur plate xfmr will power 8 x
homes in winter. Ur girlfriend will be dully impressed. You have
more power than the local college FM station. Ur friends with 25
watt push pull tube audio amps are really impressed, [esp with a 2
x4-1000 amp.. and a window, and tubes cherry red] U have more power
than 99.99% of the hams on the planet. Ur mother would be proud.
Pundits think you are actually a 'broadcast engineer'. 11m ops are
really impressed. You can dim all the lights on your street. Who
else can say they actually smoked the pole-pig in front of their
home.... and plunged the entire street into darkness. No need for
counselling or self medication. You are more focused, and have
better concentration..esp around 8-10 kv. You can light up
several 8' fluorescent tubes in your back yard... with no wires
attached. People stay clear of you in aisle 6 of your local grocery
store. You can casually mention stuff at the local hamfest... like
how you set the tree's on fire.. and blew the end insulator's off ur
dipole. You can give a real Corona demo late at night. You once
melted RG-17 on 10m. QST will never publish your schematic.

Later Jim.. VE7RF



Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: The real benefits of running qro.

Mike(W5UC) & Kathy(K5MWH)
 

At 08:56 AM 1/7/2007, you wrote:
Actually it should be obligatory for any ham to own AND run a QRO amplifier.
?
Cheers, Dick
PA3DUV

AMEN!? QRP is like a margarita with no tequila. Actually I like QRP and hope the idea spreads. QRP stations are easier to run over in a pile-up.

73,
Mike, W5UC


"age & treachery will overcome youth & skill"
Re: God Complex

Robert B. Bonner
 

WA4D should have been required to do the honorable thing, been shown a
darkened room and B+ed himself.

Yeah Riley killed "THE DOG" really good... Squish lika bug. He needed to
go.

If you hate the world, REAL MEN need to be nuclear terrorists, biological
weapons specialists, mad bombers or serial killers, not ham radio
operators.... THE DOG was a miss-directed pussy.

BOB DD

-----Original Message-----
From: ham_amplifiers@... [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]
On Behalf Of badgerscreek
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 1:09 AM
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Subject: [ham_amplifiers] Re: God Complex

Dont you work DX Rich? Does that Combat Zone nonsense still occur
on 40 meters, or did Riley drive all the jammers under ground? It
reminds me of one of the most colourful jammers on 20 meters, the
infamous WA4D, he was too intelligent to be so stupid. Not your
average knucklehead.

Greg
Re: The real benefits of running qro.

FRANCIS CARCIA
 

and it keeps the shack warm in the winter so you don't get sick from sitting in?the?cold.


PA3DUV wrote:

Jim,
?
You did not mention the saved monies otherwise spend on shrinks, lawyers and doctors etc. As you can see a QRO amp pays for itself. 30 hours councelling @ 200 Euro/h pays for a 10 kW+ amplifier.
Actually it should be obligatory for any ham to own AND run a QRO amplifier.
?
Cheers, Dick
PA3DUV
?
?
?
----- Original Message -----
From: pentalab
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 3:11 PM
Subject: [ham_amplifiers] Re: The real benefits of running qro.

--- In ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com, "Robert B. Bonner"
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Extremely high power makes for an interesting experiment thats
all.

### agreed. 2.5 kw out becomes so boring... it's mundane... like
pushing a lawnmower aimlessly about.. or punching holes in
doughnuts.

I have not used my big box on real antennas for many many years.
However i still fire it up into a dummy load, and i still try and
> improve its circuits. Does that make sense probably not.

### sure it makes sense... called... "tweaking" and .."boiling oil"

>
> Anything above 1 kilowatt is very hard to justify on the needs of a
> communications circuit.

### say what ?? 13 kw is a real kick.... 1 call does it all. No
need to mess about trying to crack a pile up... hit the switch,,,
in/out in 5 seconds every time. You BECOME the pile up.

I would argue that its only the lower bands where it may be of
some help. Even then its hardly needed

#### Tell that the guys with s9 noise... or even more with summer
time static.

and is only helpful in the case of jammers etc.

### Then u gotta get ur buddy's to run some serious qro too...
called reverse jamming.. where the jammer is just wasting his
time...and everyone just talks over him.

Its shame having a high electricity bill because someone else has
a poor receiving location!

### Did ud really see a high electric bill ??? At night... I shut
off the natural gas furnace and natural gas fireplace... since
shack in basement 8 x 10' room. Usually use just one small 1 kw
baseboard heater. Run some kw's.... and baseboard heater gets shut
off... so it's a wash.

### I never could understand why these qrp 5 watt artists.. would
sit there in Colo... and have a 1500 w CCS electric heater going at
their feet in winter time in basement. So u see... qro has merits.

### qro heats ur home... makes u feel better, reduces stress.. u
feel like u just beat collins/henry/harris, at their own game...
lots of satisfaction, ur friends are all impressed..esp wide eyed
computer geeks, and it's fun to watch plate meter's bouncing
up/down...ditto with wattmeter. You have the only 0-5 A plate
meter in town. You have the only 0-1 A grid meter in town. You
have the only 10/25 kw slug in town. Ur plate xfmr will power 8 x
homes in winter. Ur girlfriend will be dully impressed. You have
more power than the local college FM station. Ur friends with 25
watt push pull tube audio amps are really impressed, [esp with a 2
x4-1000 amp.. and a window, and tubes cherry red] U have more power
than 99.99% of the hams on the planet. Ur mother would be proud.
Pundits think you are actually a 'broadcast engineer'. 11m ops are
really impressed. You can dim all the lights on your street. Who
else can say they actually smoked the pole-pig in front of their
home.... and plunged the entire street into darkness. No need for
counselling or self medication. You are more focused, and have
better concentration..esp around 8-10 kv. You can light up
several 8' fluorescent tubes in your back yard... with no wires
attached. People stay clear of you in aisle 6 of your local grocery
store. You can casually mention stuff at the local hamfest... like
how you set the tree's on fire.. and blew the end insulator's off ur
dipole. You can give a real Corona demo late at night. You once
melted RG-17 on 10m. QST will never publish your schematic.

Later Jim.. VE7RF
Re: The real benefits of running qro.

Garry
 

Jim,

Your comments below are FUNNY, and make me laugh. The world needs more of this. It feels good!!!!

Regards,
Garry

PA3DUV wrote:

Jim,
You did not mention the saved monies otherwise spend on shrinks, lawyers and doctors etc. As you can see a QRO amp pays for itself. 30 hours councelling @ 200 Euro/h pays for a 10 kW+ amplifier.
Actually it should be obligatory for any ham to own AND run a QRO amplifier.
Cheers, Dick
PA3DUV
----- Original Message -----
*From:* pentalab <mailto:jim.thomson@...>
*To:* ham_amplifiers@...
<mailto:ham_amplifiers@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, January 07, 2007 3:11 PM
*Subject:* [ham_amplifiers] Re: The real benefits of running qro.
--- In ham_amplifiers@...
<mailto:ham_amplifiers@...>, "Robert B. Bonner"
<rbonner@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Extremely high power makes for an interesting experiment thats
all.
### agreed. 2.5 kw out becomes so boring... it's mundane... like
pushing a lawnmower aimlessly about.. or punching holes in
doughnuts.
I have not used my big box on real antennas for many many years.
However i still fire it up into a dummy load, and i still try and
> improve its circuits. Does that make sense probably not.
### sure it makes sense... called... "tweaking" and .."boiling oil"

>
> Anything above 1 kilowatt is very hard to justify on the needs of a
> communications circuit.
### say what ?? 13 kw is a real kick.... 1 call does it all. No
need to mess about trying to crack a pile up... hit the switch,,,
in/out in 5 seconds every time. You BECOME the pile up.
I would argue that its only the lower bands where it may be of
some help. Even then its hardly needed
#### Tell that the guys with s9 noise... or even more with summer
time static.
and is only helpful in the case of jammers etc.
### Then u gotta get ur buddy's to run some serious qro too...
called reverse jamming.. where the jammer is just wasting his
time...and everyone just talks over him.
Its shame having a high electricity bill because someone else has
a poor receiving location!
### Did ud really see a high electric bill ??? At night... I shut
off the natural gas furnace and natural gas fireplace... since
shack in basement 8 x 10' room. Usually use just one small 1 kw
baseboard heater. Run some kw's.... and baseboard heater gets shut
off... so it's a wash.
### I never could understand why these qrp 5 watt artists.. would
sit there in Colo... and have a 1500 w CCS electric heater going at
their feet in winter time in basement. So u see... qro has merits.
### qro heats ur home... makes u feel better, reduces stress.. u
feel like u just beat collins/henry/harris, at their own game...
lots of satisfaction, ur friends are all impressed..esp wide eyed
computer geeks, and it's fun to watch plate meter's bouncing
up/down...ditto with wattmeter. You have the only 0-5 A plate
meter in town. You have the only 0-1 A grid meter in town. You
have the only 10/25 kw slug in town. Ur plate xfmr will power 8 x
homes in winter. Ur girlfriend will be dully impressed. You have
more power than the local college FM station. Ur friends with 25
watt push pull tube audio amps are really impressed, [esp with a 2
x4-1000 amp.. and a window, and tubes cherry red] U have more power
than 99.99% of the hams on the planet. Ur mother would be proud.
Pundits think you are actually a 'broadcast engineer'. 11m ops are
really impressed. You can dim all the lights on your street. Who
else can say they actually smoked the pole-pig in front of their
home.... and plunged the entire street into darkness. No need for
counselling or self medication. You are more focused, and have
better concentration..esp around 8-10 kv. You can light up
several 8' fluorescent tubes in your back yard... with no wires
attached. People stay clear of you in aisle 6 of your local grocery
store. You can casually mention stuff at the local hamfest... like
how you set the tree's on fire.. and blew the end insulator's off ur
dipole. You can give a real Corona demo late at night. You once
melted RG-17 on 10m. QST will never publish your schematic.
Later Jim.. VE7RF
Re: God Complex

 

On Jan 6, 2007, at 11:08 PM, badgerscreek wrote:

Dont you work DX Rich?
Only on the telephone, Greg. there's way less QRM.
Does that Combat Zone nonsense still occur
on 40 meters,
** The Combat Zone was a one-time eruption that began c. 1975 and
started to fade after about a decade. The dénouement was when we
started discussing a subject that made a whole lot of the denizens
nervous. After those discussions began, c. 75% ran -- some even
dropping out of Ham radio altogether. Many of the regulars who
didn't flee are now silent keys - or microphones. The remaining old-
timers moved to 7255 because 7258 was taken over by drug and/or
ethanol-dependent stations. Occasionally I hear a familiar voice and
say hello.

or did Riley drive all the jammers under ground?
** No. Jammers are pretty much like death and taxes. In rare cases
however, a jammer will have second thoughts and he will give it up.
Example: Fresno, California. There was a virulent jammer whose
location was discovered. He was contacted and advised to stop
jamming but he kept on. One night in the wee hours someone drove by
and discharged a number of warning rounds from a .308 caliber semi-
auto rifle through his residence in such a way that no one would be
likely to be struck. According to reports, the bullets went
completely through one side of the residence, through interior
walls, and out the other, and into a cotton field -- so he
undoubtedly got the message. No one was injured. The jamming stopped.

It reminds me of one of the most colourful jammers on 20 meters, the
infamous WA4D, he was too intelligent to be so stupid. Not your
average knucklehead.
** never ran into him. As I see it, jammers are often little boys
who did not get the right kind of attention from their fathers prior
to the age of 12 - 13.
One of the most persistent 80m jammers in Southern California
turned out to be from a entertainment-business family that apparently
had a number of male members who had a carnal interest in little boys.

cheers, Greg
...
R. L. Measures, AG6K, 805.386.3734
r@..., rlm@..., www.somis.org
Re: The real benefits of running qro.

PA3DUV
 

开云体育

Jim,
?
You did not mention the saved monies otherwise spend on shrinks, lawyers and doctors etc. As you can see a QRO amp pays for itself. 30 hours councelling @ 200 Euro/h pays for a 10 kW+ amplifier.
Actually it should be obligatory for any ham to own AND run a QRO amplifier.
?
Cheers, Dick
PA3DUV
?
?
?

----- Original Message -----
From: pentalab
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 3:11 PM
Subject: [ham_amplifiers] Re: The real benefits of running qro.

--- In ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com, "Robert B. Bonner"
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Extremely high power makes for an interesting experiment thats
all.

### agreed. 2.5 kw out becomes so boring... it's mundane... like
pushing a lawnmower aimlessly about.. or punching holes in
doughnuts.

I have not used my big box on real antennas for many many years.
However i still fire it up into a dummy load, and i still try and
> improve its circuits. Does that make sense probably not.

### sure it makes sense... called... "tweaking" and .."boiling oil"

>
> Anything above 1 kilowatt is very hard to justify on the needs of a
> communications circuit.

### say what ?? 13 kw is a real kick.... 1 call does it all. No
need to mess about trying to crack a pile up... hit the switch,,,
in/out in 5 seconds every time. You BECOME the pile up.

I would argue that its only the lower bands where it may be of
some help. Even then its hardly needed

#### Tell that the guys with s9 noise... or even more with summer
time static.

and is only helpful in the case of jammers etc.

### Then u gotta get ur buddy's to run some serious qro too...
called reverse jamming.. where the jammer is just wasting his
time...and everyone just talks over him.

Its shame having a high electricity bill because someone else has
a poor receiving location!

### Did ud really see a high electric bill ??? At night... I shut
off the natural gas furnace and natural gas fireplace... since
shack in basement 8 x 10' room. Usually use just one small 1 kw
baseboard heater. Run some kw's.... and baseboard heater gets shut
off... so it's a wash.

### I never could understand why these qrp 5 watt artists.. would
sit there in Colo... and have a 1500 w CCS electric heater going at
their feet in winter time in basement. So u see... qro has merits.

### qro heats ur home... makes u feel better, reduces stress.. u
feel like u just beat collins/henry/harris, at their own game...
lots of satisfaction, ur friends are all impressed..esp wide eyed
computer geeks, and it's fun to watch plate meter's bouncing
up/down...ditto with wattmeter. You have the only 0-5 A plate
meter in town. You have the only 0-1 A grid meter in town. You
have the only 10/25 kw slug in town. Ur plate xfmr will power 8 x
homes in winter. Ur girlfriend will be dully impressed. You have
more power than the local college FM station. Ur friends with 25
watt push pull tube audio amps are really impressed, [esp with a 2
x4-1000 amp.. and a window, and tubes cherry red] U have more power
than 99.99% of the hams on the planet. Ur mother would be proud.
Pundits think you are actually a 'broadcast engineer'. 11m ops are
really impressed. You can dim all the lights on your street. Who
else can say they actually smoked the pole-pig in front of their
home.... and plunged the entire street into darkness. No need for
counselling or self medication. You are more focused, and have
better concentration..esp around 8-10 kv. You can light up
several 8' fluorescent tubes in your back yard... with no wires
attached. People stay clear of you in aisle 6 of your local grocery
store. You can casually mention stuff at the local hamfest... like
how you set the tree's on fire.. and blew the end insulator's off ur
dipole. You can give a real Corona demo late at night. You once
melted RG-17 on 10m. QST will never publish your schematic.

Later Jim.. VE7RF
Re: The real benefits of running qro.

pentalab
 

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., "Robert B. Bonner"
<rbonner@...> wrote:



Extremely high power makes for an interesting experiment thats
all.

### agreed. 2.5 kw out becomes so boring... it's mundane... like
pushing a lawnmower aimlessly about.. or punching holes in
doughnuts.




I have not used my big box on real antennas for many many years.
However i still fire it up into a dummy load, and i still try and
improve its circuits. Does that make sense probably not.
### sure it makes sense... called... "tweaking" and .."boiling oil"




Anything above 1 kilowatt is very hard to justify on the needs of a
communications circuit.
### say what ?? 13 kw is a real kick.... 1 call does it all. No
need to mess about trying to crack a pile up... hit the switch,,,
in/out in 5 seconds every time. You BECOME the pile up.



I would argue that its only the lower bands where it may be of
some help. Even then its hardly needed

#### Tell that the guys with s9 noise... or even more with summer
time static.





and is only helpful in the case of jammers etc.

### Then u gotta get ur buddy's to run some serious qro too...
called reverse jamming.. where the jammer is just wasting his
time...and everyone just talks over him.



Its shame having a high electricity bill because someone else has
a poor receiving location!

### Did ud really see a high electric bill ??? At night... I shut
off the natural gas furnace and natural gas fireplace... since
shack in basement 8 x 10' room. Usually use just one small 1 kw
baseboard heater. Run some kw's.... and baseboard heater gets shut
off... so it's a wash.

### I never could understand why these qrp 5 watt artists.. would
sit there in Colo... and have a 1500 w CCS electric heater going at
their feet in winter time in basement. So u see... qro has merits.

### qro heats ur home... makes u feel better, reduces stress.. u
feel like u just beat collins/henry/harris, at their own game...
lots of satisfaction, ur friends are all impressed..esp wide eyed
computer geeks, and it's fun to watch plate meter's bouncing
up/down...ditto with wattmeter. You have the only 0-5 A plate
meter in town. You have the only 0-1 A grid meter in town. You
have the only 10/25 kw slug in town. Ur plate xfmr will power 8 x
homes in winter. Ur girlfriend will be dully impressed. You have
more power than the local college FM station. Ur friends with 25
watt push pull tube audio amps are really impressed, [esp with a 2
x4-1000 amp.. and a window, and tubes cherry red] U have more power
than 99.99% of the hams on the planet. Ur mother would be proud.
Pundits think you are actually a 'broadcast engineer'. 11m ops are
really impressed. You can dim all the lights on your street. Who
else can say they actually smoked the pole-pig in front of their
home.... and plunged the entire street into darkness. No need for
counselling or self medication. You are more focused, and have
better concentration..esp around 8-10 kv. You can light up
several 8' fluorescent tubes in your back yard... with no wires
attached. People stay clear of you in aisle 6 of your local grocery
store. You can casually mention stuff at the local hamfest... like
how you set the tree's on fire.. and blew the end insulator's off ur
dipole. You can give a real Corona demo late at night. You once
melted RG-17 on 10m. QST will never publish your schematic.

Later Jim.. VE7RF
Re: Never Enough

Andrew
 

开云体育

Bob DD
make the hog louder and quieten the blower.
?
Noel
VK4HR
Re: SB-200 Hi-Speed Switching Modifications

Doug Hall
 

Hi Bob,
I converted an SB-200 to QSK 7 or 8 years ago using a circuit based
loosely on AG6K's circuit for the SB-220. I no longer have the SB-200,
but I did keep a hand written schematic which I'd be happy to scan and
post. I'll try to get to it in the next day or so.
73,
Doug, K4DSP

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., "Bob" <w6vy@...> wrote:

Has anyone documented the changes required to install a hi-speed
switching mod in a Heathkit SB-200 including a schematic and component
values? I have one I would like to modify but I would hate to have to
re-invent the wheel.

Thanks and Happy New Year.

Bob W6VY
Re: Ham Radio Magazine

Hsu
 

开云体育

Thanks!David,
? This ia the power meter's ?schematic.http://www.cnham.net/bbs/attachments/001_6lQDGk9q8yGc.jpg,you can view it.if not please e-mail to me direct, I'll sned to you.Does??anyone?have this article?
???? 73! Hsu

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 11:16 PM
Subject: RE: [ham_amplifiers] Ham Radio Magazine

Hsu,
?
Sorry but I don't.? My Ham Radio on CD only goes up to 1976.? I have been meaning to buy the second CD from ARRL with the rest of the issues but just have never done it.
?
73
David
-----Original Message-----
From: ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Hsu
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 8:48 AM
To: ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Ham Radio Magazine

Hi, David,
? Do you have the Ham radio Dec 1977 P38-43,?J.H. Bowen "Accurate Low
Power RF?Wattmeter?for High Freqency?and VHF Measurements"?
? Thanks!
????? 73!Hsu
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 8:46 PM
Subject: RE: [ham_amplifiers] Ham Radio Magazine

Garry,
?
I have that issue on CD.? What article do you want?
?
David
KC2JD
?
-----Original Message-----
From: ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Garry
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 7:57 PM
To: Ham Amplifiers
Subject: [ham_amplifiers] Ham Radio Magazine

Does anyone have a March 1975 issue of Ham Radio magazine where you
could scan an article and forward to me?

Thanks & 73,
Garry - WR4R
Re: God Complex

 

On Jan 6, 2007, at 4:08 PM, Robert B. Bonner wrote:

Greg,

That was a pretty good response.

How about the mountain top location with a slope in all directions, big
antennas on short towers and a 20 DB amplifier? Sounds like the perfect
setup to me. I like the Horse Power myself.
I built the original 8170 amplifier to be heard above the jammers. However, when the jammers discovered that I was immune to jamming, they began jamming the people I was listening to

BOB DD

-----Original Message-----
From: ham_amplifiers@... [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]
On Behalf Of badgerscreek
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 3:06 PM
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Subject: [ham_amplifiers] Re: God Complex

Extremely high power makes for an interesting experiment thats all. I
have not used my big box on real antennas for many many years.
However i still fire it up into a dummy load, and i still try and
improve its circuits. Does that make sense probably not

Anything above 1 kilowatt is very hard to justify on the needs of a
communications circuit. I would argue that its only the lower bands
where it may be of some help. Even then its hardly needed and is only
helpful in the case of jammers etc. Its shame having a high
electricity bill because someone else has a poor receiving location!

Very few stations these days have the ability to radiate the power
at the low incoming angles where it can do some good. With our greater
understanding of NVIS propagation, a good NVIS antenna like a
vertical yagi firing straight up in the air can just about compete
with a 20db amplifier if its a short range circuit

What gets most people unstuck running high power is either the ego
or using one of the modern ham radio exciters as a driver. Its very
hard to find a radio thats clean enough without generating snide
remarks about signal quality. Lets face it just about every radio
transceiver reviewed by the ARRL is as bad as the last bad lemon in
this regard. Now this is a problem even for those running legal power.

Most of us can build these amplifiers but few are willing to build an
exciter thats clean enough to match the excellent signal purity of big
amps. Maybe if the FCC changed its rules and allowed amplifiers that
can be driven with 100 milliwats like every military amplifier this
terrible situation might change.

When i get stations telling me in a sincere manner that a crapped out
old L4B makes 20 db of difference, imagine what can be expected if you
asked for a signal report on the difference that a 20 db amplifier
gives! If most stations used true calibrated S meter's they would not
be rushing out to build or buy a high power amplifier considering the
expense.

A case in point is the high power fax station somewhere in Germany,
listen sometime, Its on 13.381 or 382 DDK or DDH. It runs 20kw into a
vertical for weather fax. I can hear most hams better who are using a
low tribander than this station. This station is in an impressive
location and it uses a optimised antenna. Its a good propagation
beacon. This station essentially illustrates the futility of running
high power. When the band is open the signal is impressive, when the
band is marginal any ham with a decent antenna is heard with a better
signal strength. I would say most hams play it legal simply because
running high power in the places where most of us live is out of the
question.

Hams i think have extracted the maximum performance one can expect
out of antennas and propagation, there is hardly anything to prove.
In commercial shortwave link circuits this very same thing has
occured with shortwave planners, the shift in power is downwards not
upwards because even the military has too consider the economics of
high power. The power level is dropping steadily, when
once it was the norm for a military link station to run 40 kilowatts,
1 kilowatt with good antennas is the norm now. Most tactical planning
for long distance links have a target power range of .400 too 1
kilowatts of power.On SSB 4 kilowatts is about the maximum power used.
The Rockwell Scope HF system is an example.

Just my take, as others can justify the need for gas guzzlers so too
i am sure someone else can justify the argument for running high
power and think it makes sense. Now if the electricity was free and i
had a modern DSP transceiver that cancelled out the distortion and IMD
as i spoke i might change my view.

If i had the choice between high power and a hilltop location with
sloping terrain in all directions i would take the hilltop location
over the 20db amplifier any day. Better still is a saltwater island
with verticals, i then could run these stations on solar power and
achieve the same thing without contributing to global warming!

Greg

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., "Dr. Robert Bonner"
<rbonner@...> wrote:

You might have noticed I stayed out of the political discussion of
running power. Lets move on to the topic of the Religious
Implications
of Running Power.

Steve, nice construction job.

Sincerely,
BOB DD
Yahoo! Groups Links


R. L. Measures, AG6K, 805.386.3734
r@..., rlm@..., www.somis.org
Re: God Complex

Robert B. Bonner
 

Greg,

That was a pretty good response.

How about the mountain top location with a slope in all directions, big
antennas on short towers and a 20 DB amplifier? Sounds like the perfect
setup to me. I like the Horse Power myself.

BOB DD

-----Original Message-----
From: ham_amplifiers@... [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]
On Behalf Of badgerscreek
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 3:06 PM
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Subject: [ham_amplifiers] Re: God Complex

Extremely high power makes for an interesting experiment thats all. I
have not used my big box on real antennas for many many years.
However i still fire it up into a dummy load, and i still try and
improve its circuits. Does that make sense probably not

Anything above 1 kilowatt is very hard to justify on the needs of a
communications circuit. I would argue that its only the lower bands
where it may be of some help. Even then its hardly needed and is only
helpful in the case of jammers etc. Its shame having a high
electricity bill because someone else has a poor receiving location!

Very few stations these days have the ability to radiate the power
at the low incoming angles where it can do some good. With our greater
understanding of NVIS propagation, a good NVIS antenna like a
vertical yagi firing straight up in the air can just about compete
with a 20db amplifier if its a short range circuit

What gets most people unstuck running high power is either the ego
or using one of the modern ham radio exciters as a driver. Its very
hard to find a radio thats clean enough without generating snide
remarks about signal quality. Lets face it just about every radio
transceiver reviewed by the ARRL is as bad as the last bad lemon in
this regard. Now this is a problem even for those running legal power.

Most of us can build these amplifiers but few are willing to build an
exciter thats clean enough to match the excellent signal purity of big
amps. Maybe if the FCC changed its rules and allowed amplifiers that
can be driven with 100 milliwats like every military amplifier this
terrible situation might change.

When i get stations telling me in a sincere manner that a crapped out
old L4B makes 20 db of difference, imagine what can be expected if you
asked for a signal report on the difference that a 20 db amplifier
gives! If most stations used true calibrated S meter's they would not
be rushing out to build or buy a high power amplifier considering the
expense.

A case in point is the high power fax station somewhere in Germany,
listen sometime, Its on 13.381 or 382 DDK or DDH. It runs 20kw into a
vertical for weather fax. I can hear most hams better who are using a
low tribander than this station. This station is in an impressive
location and it uses a optimised antenna. Its a good propagation
beacon. This station essentially illustrates the futility of running
high power. When the band is open the signal is impressive, when the
band is marginal any ham with a decent antenna is heard with a better
signal strength. I would say most hams play it legal simply because
running high power in the places where most of us live is out of the
question.

Hams i think have extracted the maximum performance one can expect
out of antennas and propagation, there is hardly anything to prove.
In commercial shortwave link circuits this very same thing has
occured with shortwave planners, the shift in power is downwards not
upwards because even the military has too consider the economics of
high power. The power level is dropping steadily, when
once it was the norm for a military link station to run 40 kilowatts,
1 kilowatt with good antennas is the norm now. Most tactical planning
for long distance links have a target power range of .400 too 1
kilowatts of power.On SSB 4 kilowatts is about the maximum power used.
The Rockwell Scope HF system is an example.

Just my take, as others can justify the need for gas guzzlers so too
i am sure someone else can justify the argument for running high
power and think it makes sense. Now if the electricity was free and i
had a modern DSP transceiver that cancelled out the distortion and IMD
as i spoke i might change my view.


If i had the choice between high power and a hilltop location with
sloping terrain in all directions i would take the hilltop location
over the 20db amplifier any day. Better still is a saltwater island
with verticals, i then could run these stations on solar power and
achieve the same thing without contributing to global warming!


Greg



--- In ham_amplifiers@..., "Dr. Robert Bonner"
<rbonner@...> wrote:

You might have noticed I stayed out of the political discussion of
running power. Lets move on to the topic of the Religious Implications
of Running Power.

Steve, nice construction job.

Sincerely,
BOB DD



Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: grid driven tetrode

 

On Jan 6, 2007, at 7:39 AM, FRANCIS CARCIA wrote:


Thanks Rick,
ur welcome

Well I think the 4CX5000 will do 11 KW max .
so that puts your numbers 8/11 max or about 75% of max to stay clean. I suppose a good high plate supply with enough screen voltage to provide enough gain.
An 8170 or 8171 will do 5k more on SSB with 1500v screen and 9kV anode. The key to maximal output is maximal screen-V. Increasing the screen potential from 1250v to 1500v results in c. 30% more output.

I'm actually playing with an old Viking 2 CDC modulator that uses 807s. Crazy flash back to youth. Rig is so I can get on AM from summer home. Small lot near the beach not really suited for QRO.....at least during waking hours. gfz

R L Measures <r@...> wrote:

On Jan 5, 2007, at 6:22 PM, FRANCIS CARCIA wrote:


So Rick,
Do I assume you never want to drive the grid 1 positive
Correct. AB1 means the grid is never driven into positive region.
Sure, it sounds strange to say the maximum grid potential is 0 volts,
but it's true.

or let the plate voltage swing below the screen for cleanest output?
For a pentode, the minimum anode potential can swing slightly below
the screen potential with no problem, but with a tetrode, the screen
current - as well as total IMD - goes through the roof when the anode
potential dips below the screen V. Thus for AB1 SSB, use an
abundance of anode V. plus the max screen V.

Any feel for the output power limit for say a 4CX3000A holding that
operating condition? gfz
Plywood Box #2 would do c. 8kpep out in AB1 / SSB with 1kV on the
screen.
...
R. L. Measures, AG6K, 805.386.3734
r@..., rlm@..., www.somis.org



R. L. Measures, AG6K, 805.386.3734
r@..., rlm@..., www.somis.org
39181 - 39200 of 41123