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Re: Transformer page at Wiki finished

Randy
 

Will:
Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't realize that's what had happened.

I read "somewhere" that there's a way to be notified when a page has
been modified. I don't think it's even necessary to be the author of the
page. I'm thinking it was in a print magazine, but I don't know if it was
Wired, Popular "Something", or what.

Thanks for all the effort, 'tis much appreciated.

73,
Randy
KZ4RV

craxd wrote:


Randy,

No, but what editing has happened by 2 or 3 that has contributed has
only been to correct any mis-spelled words and clean up any
formatting. It's all there in good shape. The thing that happened the
first time was the one who authored the Transformers page didn't want
the extra info on actually designing them on that page, and he was
the sole one who did the deleting. Another person from that page and
myself created the one for Transformer design, and a few others
jumped in to help so it's backed up and protected. Anyone can edit a
page, and I hope it might be expanded upon in the areas of RF and
audio/impedance transformers. I wrote everything that is there now
about power transformer design, but left the areas above out for
someone else to do if they want to add them.

Best,

Will

--- In ham_amplifiers@... <mailto:ham_amplifiers%40yahoogroups.com>, Randy <fu.bar@...> wrote:

Did you take some steps to prevent some jerk from wiping it out
again?

73,
Randy
KZ4RV
craxd wrote:

All,

I finally found time to set down and finish the transformer design
page at Wikipedia. I finished several sections and some more on
the
types of iron or alloys used. For any interested, the link is
below.

<>
<
<>>

Best,

Will


Re: Enough- Now to a Choke

Rich & DJ
 

Thanks Hal , yes I remember seeing the parts , I guess I forgot to add I
am trying to hand make all that I can. I have completed a hand made,
12Kv plate variable capacitor. I know I could buy one but then I can't
say I made it. I have a 1" dia phenolic rod for a form and/or 22mm glass
tube that could be mounted on a dowel to make a choke with. I was hoping
to do a single wind of 20ga magnet wire. If I can do this and all does
not go up in smoke , I plan on then looking for a vac variable plate cap
and a band switch and building one for 40 thru 15 , I don't go below 40
and work 15 the most. I have an extra socket , chimneys , fil
transformer and such for the next amp. I built the P/S so it is in its
own cabinet on wheels , 0 to about 5Kv @ 1 amp. The RF deck will sit on
top.

Rich , kd0zz

-----Original Message-----
From: ham_amplifiers@...
[mailto:ham_amplifiers@...] On Behalf Of Harold Mandel
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 5:45 PM
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Subject: RE: [ham_amplifiers] Enough- Now to a Choke

Dear Rich,

Look at your reflector archives for the past couple of days.

There's a ham who is selling all sorts of amplifier parts, including
plate chokes.

W2CQM, Ron Lumachi.

He's been on the reflector forever, and he has some great stuff.

Hal
W4HBM

_____

From: ham_amplifiers@...
[mailto:ham_amplifiers@...] On Behalf Of Rich & DJ
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 6:06 PM
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Subject: [ham_amplifiers] Enough- Now to a Choke



Back to Radio / Amp stuff

Hello all you smart people, I don't have any electrical training but I
am slowly building an amp from my junk box. The power supply is
complete. I enjoyed the information about "glitch" protection and did a
cut and paste of all the important notes, making my information list to
build by. I will use a 50ohm resistor and a small gage wire as a fuse in
the HV line. I will also put in a fuse c/t of the filament / bias line.
I don't have much money (retired) to buy but a lot of stuff to build
with. My next thing to figure out is the plate choke for a 4-1000A, I
plan on about 3500v, first test, it nothing goes up in smoke I can later
up the voltage to 4500. The amp will be a mono-bander at first, 21Mhz.
With out a dip meter is there a simple way to build a HV plate choke. I
will not load it to the max , just trying to make something work.

Rich , kd0zz


Re: Enough- Now to a Choke

Harold Mandel
 

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Dear Rich,

?

Look at your reflector archives for the past couple of days.

?

There¡¯s a ham who is selling all sorts of amplifier parts, including plate chokes.

?

W2CQM, Ron Lumachi.

?

He¡¯s been on the reflector forever, and he has some great stuff.

?

Hal

W4HBM

?


From: ham_amplifiers@... [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...] On Behalf Of Rich & DJ
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 6:06 PM
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Subject: [ham_amplifiers] Enough- Now to a Choke

?

?

?

Back to Radio / Amp stuff

?

Hello all you smart people, I don¡¯t have any electrical training but I am slowly building an amp from my junk box. The power supply is complete. I enjoyed the information about ¡°glitch¡± protection and did a cut and paste of all the important notes, making my information list to build by. I will use a 50ohm resistor and a small gage wire as a fuse in the HV line. I will also put in a fuse c/t of the filament / bias line. I don¡¯t have much money (retired) to buy but a lot of stuff to build with. My next thing to figure out is the plate choke for a 4-1000A, I plan on about 3500v, first test, it nothing goes up in smoke I can later up the voltage to 4500. The amp will be a mono-bander at first, 21Mhz. With out a dip meter is there a simple way to build a HV plate choke. I will not load it to the max , just trying to make something work.

?

Rich , kd0zz

?

?


Enough- Now to a Choke

Rich & DJ
 

Back to Radio / Amp stuff

Hello all you smart people, I don't have any electrical training but I
am slowly building an amp from my junk box. The power supply is
complete. I enjoyed the information about "glitch" protection and did a
cut and paste of all the important notes, making my information list to
build by. I will use a 50ohm resistor and a small gage wire as a fuse in
the HV line. I will also put in a fuse c/t of the filament / bias line.
I don't have much money (retired) to buy but a lot of stuff to build
with. My next thing to figure out is the plate choke for a 4-1000A, I
plan on about 3500v, first test, it nothing goes up in smoke I can later
up the voltage to 4500. The amp will be a mono-bander at first, 21Mhz.
With out a dip meter is there a simple way to build a HV plate choke. I
will not load it to the max , just trying to make something work.

Rich , kd0zz


TL-922A Owner Question

Steve Cook
 

Anyone owning a Kenwood TL-922 amplifier -- I would like to know the part number?of the fan mounted on the back of the amp.
?
Model is a Centaur, P/N:? ???
?
Maybe hold a miror to the back of your amp and drop me an e:Mail off line.
?
Many thanks...
?
Steve (((WG7K)))


Any questions? Get answers on any topic at . Try it now.


Re: Enough!

David C. Hallam
 

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Jim,
?
Socialism doesn't work, has not ever worked, and will never work for the every reasons you have pointed out in your previous emails.? Anytime you get the government involved in anything, corruption causes things to go to hell.? Government is the biggest source of corruption in society.? It surpasses individuals, businesses, and anything else you can name.? God save us from more big government.? I'll take big business corruption any day compare to big government corruption.? We elect people who think they know what is right for you.? They end up knowing what is right for them.
?
The US had a famous cowboy philosopher back in the 1920's by the name of Will Rogers.??He was a Democrat and probably?some what of a socialist, but one of his most famous quotes was " The people elected Calvin Coolidge president.? He didn't do much, but that's what the people wanted."? I think that's what the people in the US want today.? A president and congress that won't do much. Stop trying to fix things and just leave us along!!!!!
?
David
?

-----Original Message-----
From: ham_amplifiers@... [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]On Behalf Of pentalab
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 4:19 PM
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Subject: [ham_amplifiers] Re: Enough!

--- In ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com, "Mike(W5UC) & Kathy(K5MWH)"
wrote:
>
> Francis, several days ago I attempted to end this discussion by
> saying that we will not agree on this. We will not! Who is the
> moderator here and why isn't he doing his job? It is time to end
> this rant designed to promote socialism.

### What's wrong with Socialism ?? Works here. What needs to
be gov't run is stuff like medical/dental/ residential
water/commercial AC power production/ car insurance/ Ferry sytems,
etc. At least that's our idea of.."socilism" You privatize any
of that just mentioned... and prices skyrocket.. and standards drop.

## case in point.... in VE6 land... they had this brilliant idea
they would privatize.. and sell off ALL AC power production. The
idea was that private co's would invest Billions in new power
production. They were gonna chop it up into 8-10 pieces. When
only 4-5 co's showed up... they were surprised... and proceeded
to divvy up the province of alberta into North south east west.
The co's are real happy now. NONE of em compete with each
other... since they have their own turf. None of em are the
slighest bit interested in spending Billions to generate new AC
power. [the provincial gov't there thought with some co spending
billions on new power... rates would...drop]. Instead... there
was no increase in production at all.... rates went up as much as
450 % !!

### In the UK... they did the same thing with their various water
supply's for residential water. Their water rates have gone up
400 % ! They also privatized the construction of new hospital
facilities.... now the consumer is paying through the nose for it.

### cheap electric/water rates means a better economy. You start
paying sky high rates... and the one of 2 things happen.... either
increased production costs get passed onto the consumer... or co XXX
sells up... and moves. In VE6 land... they had foundries that had
been there a long time... and couldn't compete with the province of
manitoba [VE4 land].... due to the huge difference in electrical
rates. The foundries in VE6 land moved to VE4 land.

## If u wanna pay retail + 100%... go for it. Most of us like the
wholesale rate.

later... Jim VE7RF

>


Re: Enough!

pentalab
 

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., "Mike(W5UC) & Kathy(K5MWH)"
<w5uc@...> wrote:

Francis, several days ago I attempted to end this discussion by
saying that we will not agree on this. We will not! Who is the
moderator here and why isn't he doing his job? It is time to end
this rant designed to promote socialism.
### What's wrong with Socialism ?? Works here. What needs to
be gov't run is stuff like medical/dental/ residential
water/commercial AC power production/ car insurance/ Ferry sytems,
etc. At least that's our idea of.."socilism" You privatize any
of that just mentioned... and prices skyrocket.. and standards drop.

## case in point.... in VE6 land... they had this brilliant idea
they would privatize.. and sell off ALL AC power production. The
idea was that private co's would invest Billions in new power
production. They were gonna chop it up into 8-10 pieces. When
only 4-5 co's showed up... they were surprised... and proceeded
to divvy up the province of alberta into North south east west.
The co's are real happy now. NONE of em compete with each
other... since they have their own turf. None of em are the
slighest bit interested in spending Billions to generate new AC
power. [the provincial gov't there thought with some co spending
billions on new power... rates would...drop]. Instead... there
was no increase in production at all.... rates went up as much as
450 % !!

### In the UK... they did the same thing with their various water
supply's for residential water. Their water rates have gone up
400 % ! They also privatized the construction of new hospital
facilities.... now the consumer is paying through the nose for it.

### cheap electric/water rates means a better economy. You start
paying sky high rates... and the one of 2 things happen.... either
increased production costs get passed onto the consumer... or co XXX
sells up... and moves. In VE6 land... they had foundries that had
been there a long time... and couldn't compete with the province of
manitoba [VE4 land].... due to the huge difference in electrical
rates. The foundries in VE6 land moved to VE4 land.

## If u wanna pay retail + 100%... go for it. Most of us like the
wholesale rate.

later... Jim VE7RF



Re: will's comments.

pentalab
 

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., "craxd" <craxd@...> wrote:
In the union plants, a welder made
about $12 an hour plus bonus (equalling about $16 an hour), and
all the union benefits. There, a welder gets about $8 an hour in a
non- union shop.

### Here in Canada.... a unionized butcher/meat cutter at Safeway
makes $30.00 per hour. The non union butcher... at the same
Safeway grocery store makes just $10.00 per hr... and no benefits
at all. Safeway finally beat the crap outa the union... and the
result was.... the union guys/gals all got grandfathered.[as long
as they remained at the same store.. didn't transfer to another
store] As part of the... "deal"... ALL new employee's of safeway
are now non union.

### last heard... their is only 50 unionized employee's left in
BC... out of hundreds. Prices have risen.. so CEO must be making
a killing. So much for passing along the.."savings" to the
customer.

Later... Jim VE7RF
Best,

Will


Unsubscribe

Thomas Couey
 

Thought this was a Ham Interest group....Guess it's a Political mud
slinger outfit!


Brass mesh needed

on4iq
 

Can anyone point me to a source where I can buy brass mesh (0.1" or
0.15" holes, need a 4"x4" pices and a 3"x 3" piece. Local shop only
carry alu and stell mesh.


Enough!

Mike(W5UC) & Kathy(K5MWH)
 

Francis, several days ago I attempted to end this discussion by saying that we will not agree on this.? We? will not!? Who is the moderator here and why isn't he doing his job?? It is time to end this rant designed to promote socialism.


At 07:15 AM 1/4/2007, you wrote:

poor congress needs the money to pad their package since a lot of those useless AHs will retire today

craxd wrote:
It's a shame that the states had to step in and raise the minimum
wage instead of the old congress. That shows where the one parties
loyalties are at. During this time, the minority party tried to raise
the minimum wage three times, and the majority party shot it down.
Even at these current raises by the states, the folks making minimum
wage are still under the poverty level in this country. Congress
changed hands today, so I expect a federal minimum wage increase is
around the corner pretty soon.

Lets say that if one worked 8 hours a day, 5 days per week, at 4
weeks per month, times 12 months, what would their gross income be at
$7.25 an hour? It comes up to a whopping $13,920! They shouldn't be
any income tax as that's under the minimum to file I think, unless
any states are stricter on state income tax. Rent is around $500 a
month at the cheapest around here (unless you live in squalor or the
projects), then you have the utility bills. If you have kids, then
it's worse as one still has to eat. What do you then do if you get
sick? I seen on a news show that Walmart does offer health insurance,
but you have to pay for it out of your payroll check at about $120+ a
month. At that, I think that's per person if I recall. The employees
simply can't afford this, so they end up on Medicaid if they have
children. Medicaid is paid for out of both federal and state tax
dollars that we contribute. If Walmart was unionized, they would
receive health benefits through the company with a guaranteed
retirement benefit. They would also be able to raise grievances and
be protected from immediate termination at any time some boss get's a
burr up his/her ass. Right now, Walmart advises any vendor to move
their production to China if they want to sell to them. This so they
can double or triple on the products they sell to us and make the CEO
a fortune. That golden parachute is all that counts to them. To top
it all, at one time, Walmart bragged they bought all they could from
US manufacturers. Walmart if NOT the only one doing this either.

The company I used to work for, ACF Industries, practically shut down
both union plants they have. They are in Huntington, WV, and Milton
PA. Now, they only have them making piece parts with no new RR car
production, and about 1/8 the work force. They built 2 new plants in
Arkansas, one for tank cars and the other for the center flow hopper
car they made here in Huntington. In the union plants, a welder made
about $12 an hour plus bonus (equalling about $16 an hour), and all
the union benefits. There, a welder gets about $8 an hour in a non-
union shop.

Best,

Will

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., "pentalab"
wrote:
>
> --- In ham_amplifiers@..., "ky4sp" wrote:
> >
> > I beg to differ; half my family works at Wal-Mart. It beats
flipping
> > hamburgers by quite a bit. Of course they realize that having "a
> > job" in itself doesn't guarantee that you will have a nice house,
> > car and pocketful of $$ for the weekend.
> >
> > The fact is that many entry-level jobs simply are not worth the
> > current minimum wage, if that.
>
> ### say what ?? How can any entry level job not be worth
current
> minimum wage ?? What is current minimum wage..... and when was
the
> last time somebody raised the current minimum wage ??
>
> ### Here's an interesting experiment. Let's say there was no
minimum
> wage. I wonder just how low employer's would go... and how low
joe
> smuck would work for ??
>
> Later... Jim VE7RF
>



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Re: AL80-A

FRANCIS CARCIA
 

poor congress needs the money to pad their package since a lot?of those useless AHs?will retire today

craxd wrote:

It's a shame that the states had to step in and raise the minimum
wage instead of the old congress. That shows where the one parties
loyalties are at. During this time, the minority party tried to raise
the minimum wage three times, and the majority party shot it down.
Even at these current raises by the states, the folks making minimum
wage are still under the poverty level in this country. Congress
changed hands today, so I expect a federal minimum wage increase is
around the corner pretty soon.

Lets say that if one worked 8 hours a day, 5 days per week, at 4
weeks per month, times 12 months, what would their gross income be at
$7.25 an hour? It comes up to a whopping $13,920! They shouldn't be
any income tax as that's under the minimum to file I think, unless
any states are stricter on state income tax. Rent is around $500 a
month at the cheapest around here (unless you live in squalor or the
projects), then you have the utility bills. If you have kids, then
it's worse as one still has to eat. What do you then do if you get
sick? I seen on a news show that Walmart does offer health insurance,
but you have to pay for it out of your payroll check at about $120+ a
month. At that, I think that's per person if I recall. The employees
simply can't afford this, so they end up on Medicaid if they have
children. Medicaid is paid for out of both federal and state tax
dollars that we contribute. If Walmart was unionized, they would
receive health benefits through the company with a guaranteed
retirement benefit. They would also be able to raise grievances and
be protected from immediate termination at any time some boss get's a
burr up his/her ass. Right now, Walmart advises any vendor to move
their production to China if they want to sell to them. This so they
can double or triple on the products they sell to us and make the CEO
a fortune. That golden parachute is all that counts to them. To top
it all, at one time, Walmart bragged they bought all they could from
US manufacturers. Walmart if NOT the only one doing this either.

The company I used to work for, ACF Industries, practically shut down
both union plants they have. They are in Huntington, WV, and Milton
PA. Now, they only have them making piece parts with no new RR car
production, and about 1/8 the work force. They built 2 new plants in
Arkansas, one for tank cars and the other for the center flow hopper
car they made here in Huntington. In the union plants, a welder made
about $12 an hour plus bonus (equalling about $16 an hour), and all
the union benefits. There, a welder gets about $8 an hour in a non-
union shop.

Best,

Will

--- In ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com, "pentalab" ...>
wrote:
>
> --- In ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com, "ky4sp" wrote:
> >
> > I beg to differ; half my family works at Wal-Mart. It beats
flipping
> > hamburgers by quite a bit. Of course they realize that having "a
> > job" in itself doesn't guarantee that you will have a nice house,
> > car and pocketful of $$ for the weekend.
> >
> > The fact is that many entry-level jobs simply are not worth the
> > current minimum wage, if that.
>
> ### say what ?? How can any entry level job not be worth
current
> minimum wage ?? What is current minimum wage..... and when was
the
> last time somebody raised the current minimum wage ??
>
> ### Here's an interesting experiment. Let's say there was no
minimum
> wage. I wonder just how low employer's would go... and how low
joe
> smuck would work for ??
>
> Later... Jim VE7RF
>



Re: Transformer page at Wiki finished

craxd
 

Randy,

No, but what editing has happened by 2 or 3 that has contributed has
only been to correct any mis-spelled words and clean up any
formatting. It's all there in good shape. The thing that happened the
first time was the one who authored the Transformers page didn't want
the extra info on actually designing them on that page, and he was
the sole one who did the deleting. Another person from that page and
myself created the one for Transformer design, and a few others
jumped in to help so it's backed up and protected. Anyone can edit a
page, and I hope it might be expanded upon in the areas of RF and
audio/impedance transformers. I wrote everything that is there now
about power transformer design, but left the areas above out for
someone else to do if they want to add them.

Best,

Will


--- In ham_amplifiers@..., Randy <fu.bar@...> wrote:

Did you take some steps to prevent some jerk from wiping it out
again?

73,
Randy
KZ4RV
craxd wrote:

All,

I finally found time to set down and finish the transformer design
page at Wikipedia. I finished several sections and some more on
the
types of iron or alloys used. For any interested, the link is
below.


<>

Best,

Will


AL572 help needed

Hsu
 

Hello everyone!
My friend pick up a repairable AL572X.The Pi network's three coils(L1, L2 & L3) have been missed,
Could any gus can tell he the detail( diameter ,length and tap,etc ) about the coils?If it is possible, he need its pics in
AL572 or AL572X.
73!Hsu


Re: Transformer page at Wiki finished

Randy
 

Did you take some steps to prevent some jerk from wiping it out again?

73,
Randy
KZ4RV
craxd wrote:


All,

I finally found time to set down and finish the transformer design
page at Wikipedia. I finished several sections and some more on the
types of iron or alloys used. For any interested, the link is below.

<>

Best,

Will


At the risk of being a spoil-sport....

David
 

Is it possible to get the list on another topic off of politics and
whining. How about, oh I don't know, maybe Amateur Radio and Amplifers
for instance?

David K6DMA


Re: WM and etc.

 

Wal-mart always seems to have a big stack of applications to
choose from when someone quits for a "good" job. It looks as if we
shall have to "agree to disagree" here. I don't have everything I
want (my "big" amp is a reworked L4B), but many are worse off.

AW

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., FRANCIS CARCIA <carcia@...>
wrote:

eliminate all the middle class jobe and the class changes to
poverty class.
Not all factory workers are lazy btw. Most are willing to work
pretty hard for good pay.
WM is just a garbage job you get stuck with when there is
nothing else..
Yea that $25 an hour job went away and the margin goes into the
CEO's pocket.
Look at the Home Depot clown who got the boot today. How will he
ever live on $210 mil.
Watch your neighbor get screwed and someday roles will reverse
and you both end up in a tent city.
35 and not a CEO making 100 mill a year is also your fault. We
all should be CEOs doctors lawyers and professional people.

ky4sp <ky4sp@...> wrote:
Wal-mart beats many jobs available in my immediate
locale by a
pretty good margin. The lowest paid jobs start at $6.15 or so.
Sure,
there are better jobs, but when you compare the expense of driving
40 to 75 miles one way to work, a local WM job looks OK with over
an
hour of time and $2.50/gal gasoline saved each way. And they have
a
good ESOP program if one has the sense to take advantage of it, as
mentioned elsewhere.

Sure, many people that work there would rather make $25/hour
standing around a factory watching some machine work, but most of
the factory jobs here are gone for that reason. It is a lot
cheaper
to move the machine away to Honduras, Mexico or where ever and pay
someone $2.50/hr to watch it run. Production workers have priced
themselves out of the market here in the US.

Raising the minimum wage will solve nothing in the long term. The
real problem is that many younger Americans place an unrealistic
value on the limited skill sets that they have. As one local paper
said recently, if you are 35 years old and still working for
minimum
wage it is your own fault, not anyone else's.

AW

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., FRANCIS CARCIA <carcia@>
wrote:

I don't think admitting 1/2 a family works for WM is a source of
family pride. Who puts a roof over their heads? Not WM.

pentalab <jim.thomson@> wrote: --- In
ham_amplifiers@..., "ky4sp" <ky4sp@> wrote:

I beg to differ; half my family works at Wal-Mart. It beats
flipping
hamburgers by quite a bit. Of course they realize that
having "a
job" in itself doesn't guarantee that you will have a nice
house,
car and pocketful of $$ for the weekend.

The fact is that many entry-level jobs simply are not worth
the
current minimum wage, if that.
### say what ?? How can any entry level job not be worth current
minimum wage ?? What is current minimum wage..... and when was
the
last time somebody raised the current minimum wage ??

### Here's an interesting experiment. Let's say there was no
minimum
wage. I wonder just how low employer's would go... and how low
joe
smuck would work for ??

Later... Jim VE7RF


Re: AL80-A

craxd
 

It's a shame that the states had to step in and raise the minimum
wage instead of the old congress. That shows where the one parties
loyalties are at. During this time, the minority party tried to raise
the minimum wage three times, and the majority party shot it down.
Even at these current raises by the states, the folks making minimum
wage are still under the poverty level in this country. Congress
changed hands today, so I expect a federal minimum wage increase is
around the corner pretty soon.

Lets say that if one worked 8 hours a day, 5 days per week, at 4
weeks per month, times 12 months, what would their gross income be at
$7.25 an hour? It comes up to a whopping $13,920! They shouldn't be
any income tax as that's under the minimum to file I think, unless
any states are stricter on state income tax. Rent is around $500 a
month at the cheapest around here (unless you live in squalor or the
projects), then you have the utility bills. If you have kids, then
it's worse as one still has to eat. What do you then do if you get
sick? I seen on a news show that Walmart does offer health insurance,
but you have to pay for it out of your payroll check at about $120+ a
month. At that, I think that's per person if I recall. The employees
simply can't afford this, so they end up on Medicaid if they have
children. Medicaid is paid for out of both federal and state tax
dollars that we contribute. If Walmart was unionized, they would
receive health benefits through the company with a guaranteed
retirement benefit. They would also be able to raise grievances and
be protected from immediate termination at any time some boss get's a
burr up his/her ass. Right now, Walmart advises any vendor to move
their production to China if they want to sell to them. This so they
can double or triple on the products they sell to us and make the CEO
a fortune. That golden parachute is all that counts to them. To top
it all, at one time, Walmart bragged they bought all they could from
US manufacturers. Walmart if NOT the only one doing this either.

The company I used to work for, ACF Industries, practically shut down
both union plants they have. They are in Huntington, WV, and Milton
PA. Now, they only have them making piece parts with no new RR car
production, and about 1/8 the work force. They built 2 new plants in
Arkansas, one for tank cars and the other for the center flow hopper
car they made here in Huntington. In the union plants, a welder made
about $12 an hour plus bonus (equalling about $16 an hour), and all
the union benefits. There, a welder gets about $8 an hour in a non-
union shop.

Best,

Will


--- In ham_amplifiers@..., "pentalab" <jim.thomson@...>
wrote:

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., "ky4sp" <ky4sp@> wrote:

I beg to differ; half my family works at Wal-Mart. It beats
flipping
hamburgers by quite a bit. Of course they realize that having "a
job" in itself doesn't guarantee that you will have a nice house,
car and pocketful of $$ for the weekend.

The fact is that many entry-level jobs simply are not worth the
current minimum wage, if that.
### say what ?? How can any entry level job not be worth
current
minimum wage ?? What is current minimum wage..... and when was
the
last time somebody raised the current minimum wage ??

### Here's an interesting experiment. Let's say there was no
minimum
wage. I wonder just how low employer's would go... and how low
joe
smuck would work for ??

Later... Jim VE7RF


Re: WM and etc.

FRANCIS CARCIA
 

eliminate all the middle class jobe and the class changes to poverty class.
Not all factory workers?are lazy btw. Most are willing to work pretty hard for good pay.
WM is just a garbage job you get stuck with when there is nothing else..
Yea that $25 an hour job went away and the margin goes into the CEO's pocket.
Look at the Home Depot clown who got the boot today. How will he ever live on $210 mil.
Watch your neighbor get screwed and someday roles will reverse and you both end up in a tent city.
35 and not a CEO making 100 mill a year is also your fault. We all should be CEOs doctors lawyers and professional people.

ky4sp wrote:

Wal-mart beats many jobs available in my immediate locale by a
pretty good margin. The lowest paid jobs start at $6.15 or so. Sure,
there are better jobs, but when you compare the expense of driving
40 to 75 miles one way to work, a local WM job looks OK with over an
hour of time and $2.50/gal gasoline saved each way. And they have a
good ESOP program if one has the sense to take advantage of it, as
mentioned elsewhere.

Sure, many people that work there would rather make $25/hour
standing around a factory watching some machine work, but most of
the factory jobs here are gone for that reason. It is a lot cheaper
to move the machine away to Honduras, Mexico or where ever and pay
someone $2.50/hr to watch it run. Production workers have priced
themselves out of the market here in the US.

Raising the minimum wage will solve nothing in the long term. The
real problem is that many younger Americans place an unrealistic
value on the limited skill sets that they have. As one local paper
said recently, if you are 35 years old and still working for minimum
wage it is your own fault, not anyone else's.

AW

--- In ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com, FRANCIS CARCIA
wrote:
>
> I don't think admitting 1/2 a family works for WM is a source of
family pride. Who puts a roof over their heads? Not WM.
>
> pentalab ...> wrote: --- In
ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com, "ky4sp" wrote:
> >
> > I beg to differ; half my family works at Wal-Mart. It beats
flipping
> > hamburgers by quite a bit. Of course they realize that having "a
> > job" in itself doesn't guarantee that you will have a nice
house,
> > car and pocketful of $$ for the weekend.
> >
> > The fact is that many entry-level jobs simply are not worth the
> > current minimum wage, if that.
>
> ### say what ?? How can any entry level job not be worth current
> minimum wage ?? What is current minimum wage..... and when was the
> last time somebody raised the current minimum wage ??
>
> ### Here's an interesting experiment. Let's say there was no
minimum
> wage. I wonder just how low employer's would go... and how low joe
> smuck would work for ??
>
> Later... Jim VE7RF
>



Re: WM and etc.

 

Wal-mart beats many jobs available in my immediate locale by a
pretty good margin. The lowest paid jobs start at $6.15 or so. Sure,
there are better jobs, but when you compare the expense of driving
40 to 75 miles one way to work, a local WM job looks OK with over an
hour of time and $2.50/gal gasoline saved each way. And they have a
good ESOP program if one has the sense to take advantage of it, as
mentioned elsewhere.

Sure, many people that work there would rather make $25/hour
standing around a factory watching some machine work, but most of
the factory jobs here are gone for that reason. It is a lot cheaper
to move the machine away to Honduras, Mexico or where ever and pay
someone $2.50/hr to watch it run. Production workers have priced
themselves out of the market here in the US.

Raising the minimum wage will solve nothing in the long term. The
real problem is that many younger Americans place an unrealistic
value on the limited skill sets that they have. As one local paper
said recently, if you are 35 years old and still working for minimum
wage it is your own fault, not anyone else's.

AW



--- In ham_amplifiers@..., FRANCIS CARCIA <carcia@...>
wrote:

I don't think admitting 1/2 a family works for WM is a source of
family pride. Who puts a roof over their heads? Not WM.

pentalab <jim.thomson@...> wrote: --- In
ham_amplifiers@..., "ky4sp" <ky4sp@> wrote:

I beg to differ; half my family works at Wal-Mart. It beats
flipping
hamburgers by quite a bit. Of course they realize that having "a
job" in itself doesn't guarantee that you will have a nice
house,
car and pocketful of $$ for the weekend.

The fact is that many entry-level jobs simply are not worth the
current minimum wage, if that.
### say what ?? How can any entry level job not be worth current
minimum wage ?? What is current minimum wage..... and when was the
last time somebody raised the current minimum wage ??

### Here's an interesting experiment. Let's say there was no
minimum
wage. I wonder just how low employer's would go... and how low joe
smuck would work for ??

Later... Jim VE7RF