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Re: New poll for ham_amplifiers

Peter Voelpel
 

Funny, the YC-156 TRIODE has 3 times that gain in GG.
I drive my grid driven 4CX3000A by a 4CX350a in class A
which I integrated into the amp

73
Peter


--- In ham_amplifiers@..., FRANCIS CARCIA <carcia@...>
wrote:

I never tried driving the grid but in gg it is close to X15 when
motivated by a pair of UTC CG310s on the high taps. I've read your
article a number of times on the on you did Rick. Frank wa1gfz

R L Measures <r@...> wrote: In grid-driven service,
the 4cx3000A has a power gain of c. 60x.

On Sep 20, 2006, at 4:51 PM, FRANCIS CARCIA wrote:

Yup Mike,
They all went to Frank because I have a box of 4CX3000As. They
also
work well in GG mode and have a bit more gain than the 4-1000A.
wa1gfz

Mike Sawyer <w3slk@...> wrote:
Frank,
I thought I took all your 4-1000's ;>) Welcome to the new group.
Mod-U-Lator,
Mike(y)
W3SLK
----- Original Message -----
From: FRANCIS CARCIA
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] New poll for ham_amplifiers

Maybe we could change the pole to what size breaker can you
trip.......I plea the fifth

ham_amplifiers@... wrote:

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
ham_amplifiers group:

what is the output power capability of your HF power amplifier.
(obviously we never exeed our legal limit)

o < 2 kW
o 3 kW
o 6 kW
o 12 kW
o > 15 kW

To vote, please visit the following web page:


Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!



R L MEASURES, AG6K. 805-386-3734
r@...


Re: New Group

 

On Sep 20, 2006, at 2:36 PM, FRANCIS CARCIA wrote:

man you got that right John.....all that useless mail. The one on wiring back to the breaker panel that went on for ever sent me a runnin. my $50,000 alpha won't work

jcoupejr <JCoupejr@...> wrote:
I am very happy we have found a new unmoderated home. Recent posts on
the old group have been boaring to say the least.

Welcome to all and lets continue to have free and meaningful
discussions on this great topic!
Unmoderated is a euphemism for uncensored. // As I see it, when a member goes over the top, he will be ignored by the rest of the discussion group and. if given enough time. he eventually wither on the vine. This is essentially censoring by everyone. I call it democratic censoring.

John Coupe
WA3BXH


R L MEASURES, AG6K. 805-386-3734
r@...


Re: Moderator

Mike&#92;(W5UC&#92;) & Kathy&#92;(K5MWH&#92;)
 

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The absence of secret moderators is a blessing.? Now if we can just avoid month long discussions about the miniscule merits of harmonic suppressors.


Pentalabs wrote:


To thrive, like a TV soap opera, a discussion group needs a
protagonist and an antagonist. Tom and yours truly are such. Without
Tom, my guess is that there will be a lot less entertainment value.



Re: [-] Re: Re: Panasonic/Matsushita Switcher HV-PS u-Wave Oven

 

On Sep 20, 2006, at 4:01 PM, Paul Playford wrote:

It is information like this that maintains my interest in amateur radio.
Are you interested enough to build one?

My guess is that 6 of the Panasonic switchers would power an 8170 in SSB-mode, especially if an energy-storage C bank was connected to the output and the units were powered from a 50A electric range outlet.

de Paul, W8AEF

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Glover" <r.glover@...>
To: <ham_amplifiers@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 2:39 PM
Subject: [-] Re: [ham_amplifiers] Re: Panasonic/Matsushita Switcher HV-PS
u-Wave Oven


Dave Smith VK3HZ did some ivvesigation of these, with interesting findings
at:

www.users.bigpond.net.au/dwsmith/hv_inverter.pdf

Roger



----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick" <pa3duv@...>
To: <ham_amplifiers@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:33 PM
Subject: [ham_amplifiers] Re: Panasonic/Matsushita Switcher HV-PS u-Wave
Oven


Very interesting Rich.
What would be the regulation of this switched mode power supply?
Cheers, Dick

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., R L Measures <r@...> wrote:

I purchased one unit from Costco. The price was $99. The unit was
surprisingly light in weight compared to my old transformer-
powered
400W u-wave oven. I found no RFI problem from 50 - 550 MHz. The
rating is 1300w, which is most probably the DC input power to the
magnetron. At 120V, c. 17A of current is drawn. If a SSB amateur
radio amplifier was built using the Matsushita switcher PS, two
units
are probably needed. By putting the 120V inputs to the two
switcher
supplies in series, operation from a standard, 240VCT, 20A outlet
would work. I have not yet disassembled the oven to measure the
HV.
Does anyone know what's the typical range of potentials used to
power
magnetrons of this size? tnx

R L MEASURES, AG6K. 805-386-3734
r@...



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Re: New poll for ham_amplifiers

FRANCIS CARCIA
 

I never tried driving the grid but in gg it is close to X15 when motivated by a pair of UTC CG310s on the high taps. I've read your article a number of times on the on you did Rick. Frank wa1gfz

R L Measures wrote:

In grid-driven service, the 4cx3000A has a power gain of c. 60x.

On Sep 20, 2006, at 4:51 PM, FRANCIS CARCIA wrote:

> Yup Mike,
> They all went to Frank because I have a box of 4CX3000As. They also
> work well in GG mode and have a bit more gain than the 4-1000A.
> wa1gfz
>
> Mike Sawyer <w3slk@uplink.net> wrote:
> Frank,
> I thought I took all your 4-1000's ;>) Welcome to the new group.
> Mod-U-Lator,
> Mike(y)
> W3SLK
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: FRANCIS CARCIA
> To: ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 5:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] New poll for ham_amplifiers
>
> Maybe we could change the pole to what size breaker can you
> trip.......I plea the fifth
>
> ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> ham_amplifiers group:
>
> what is the output power capability of your HF power amplifier.
> (obviously we never exeed our legal limit)
>
> o < 2 kW
> o 3 kW
> o 6 kW
> o 12 kW
> o > 15 kW
>
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
>
>
> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
> not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
> web site listed above.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>

R L MEASURES, AG6K. 805-386-3734
r@...



Re: Moderator

 

On Sep 20, 2006, at 4:11 PM, pentalab wrote:

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., "w5uc" <w5uc@...> wrote:

There is something really wrong when the name of the moderator must
be
kept a secret. Looking forward to enjoying the new group.

73.
Mike, W5UC
### agreed ! This new group is gonna blow away the
old 'amps' group.... hands down...
To thrive, like a TV soap opera, a discussion group needs a protagonist and an antagonist. Tom and yours truly are such. Without Tom, my guess is that there will be a lot less entertainment value.

stay tuned.

Later... and greetings... from Jim VE7RF






Yahoo! Groups Links









R L MEASURES, AG6K. 805-386-3734
r@...


Can Grid Dissipation in metal GG triodes be increased ????

pentalab
 

Gents

On these 3CX-6000's and also the socketless version [ YC-243],
I fool with from time to time, Eimac/ Svetlana state's the grid
diss at 225 Watts CCS. [3CX-3000A7 is also 225 w CCS grid]

Now, since the tube(s) can be operated in either GG OR grid
driven.... it occured to me that in grid driven mode... the grid
should still has a 225 w CCS rating ???

The point here is..... in GG service... you bolt this huge grid
ring to the chassis.... and in the case of the socketless
version.... an even bigger diam grid flange is bolted to the
chassis !

Now... that alone should heatsink the grid ??? Since the grid
is sitting in a vac... the only way for thermal heat to escape is
via the grid flange.

Since the below chassis compartment is pressurized... one might
think the actual grid dissipation can perhaps be increased via
this heatsink action ?? [GG mode]

Am I out to lunch here ???

Later..... Jim VE7RF


Re: Censorship/Administrator

 

On Sep 20, 2006, at 4:18 PM, pentalab wrote:

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., FRANCIS CARCIA <carcia@...>
wrote:

I just hope we don't spend 3 weeks deciding which size wire to run
to the shack.
That one sent me running away.
### I suggested at least 2 ga wire to my buddy. Turns out it
shoulda been a heluva lot bigger.... once we determined the
peak current on the 240 vac line.... every 8.3 msecs..... using
Duncans amp tools. The chief culprit was the input Z of the
plate xfmr primary [aprx 70 ohms]... and NOT the
meassured .08 ohm Dc resistance.
The Z looking into the primary is a function of what's on the secondary.

### To get bigger wire to fit a 100 A breaker.... snip a few
strands off the outer layer... and re-twist... fits like a glove.
Silver soldering the remaining strands with 6%-Ag, 94%-Sn (221?C)
solder is helpful.

Later... Jim VE7RF









Yahoo! Groups Links










R L MEASURES, AG6K. 805-386-3734
r@...


Re: New poll for ham_amplifiers

 

In grid-driven service, the 4cx3000A has a power gain of c. 60x.


On Sep 20, 2006, at 4:51 PM, FRANCIS CARCIA wrote:

Yup Mike,
They all went to Frank because I have a box of 4CX3000As. They also work well in GG mode and have a bit more gain than the 4-1000A. wa1gfz

Mike Sawyer <w3slk@...> wrote:
Frank,
I thought I took all your 4-1000's ;>) Welcome to the new group.
Mod-U-Lator,
Mike(y)
W3SLK
----- Original Message -----
From: FRANCIS CARCIA
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] New poll for ham_amplifiers

Maybe we could change the pole to what size breaker can you trip.......I plea the fifth

ham_amplifiers@... wrote:

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
ham_amplifiers group:

what is the output power capability of your HF power amplifier.
(obviously we never exeed our legal limit)

o < 2 kW
o 3 kW
o 6 kW
o 12 kW
o > 15 kW

To vote, please visit the following web page:


Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!



R L MEASURES, AG6K. 805-386-3734
r@...


Re: Panasonic/Matsushita Switcher HV-PS u-Wave Oven

 

Tnx, PAUL. Sounds like two Panasonic switcher supplies would run an 8877 om SSB.

On Sep 19, 2006, at 7:32 PM, w8aef wrote:

I found the following web page:

appliance_magnetron_tube_
home.htm

de Paul, W8AEF


Does anyone know what's the typical range of potentials used to
power
magnetrons of this size? tnx

R L MEASURES, AG6K. 805-386-3734
r@...






Yahoo! Groups Links










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r@...


Re: New poll for ham_amplifiers

FRANCIS CARCIA
 

Yup Mike,
They all went to Frank because?I have a box of 4CX3000As. They also work well in GG mode and have a bit more gain than the 4-1000A.? wa1gfz?

Mike Sawyer wrote:

Frank,
??? I thought I took all your 4-1000's ;>) Welcome to the new group.
Mod-U-Lator,
Mike(y)
W3SLK
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] New poll for ham_amplifiers

Maybe we could change the pole to what size breaker can you trip.......I plea the fifth

ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
ham_amplifiers group:

what is the output power capability of your HF power amplifier.
(obviously we never exeed our legal limit)

o < 2 kW
o 3 kW
o 6 kW
o 12 kW
o > 15 kW

To vote, please visit the following web page:


Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!




Re: Censorship/Administrator

pentalab
 

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., FRANCIS CARCIA <carcia@...>
wrote:

I just hope we don't spend 3 weeks deciding which size wire to run
to the shack.
That one sent me running away.
### I suggested at least 2 ga wire to my buddy. Turns out it
shoulda been a heluva lot bigger.... once we determined the
peak current on the 240 vac line.... every 8.3 msecs..... using
Duncans amp tools. The chief culprit was the input Z of the
plate xfmr primary [aprx 70 ohms]... and NOT the
meassured .08 ohm Dc resistance.

### To get bigger wire to fit a 100 A breaker.... snip a few
strands off the outer layer... and re-twist... fits like a glove.

Later... Jim VE7RF


Re: Moderator

pentalab
 

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., "w5uc" <w5uc@...> wrote:

There is something really wrong when the name of the moderator must
be
kept a secret. Looking forward to enjoying the new group.

73.
Mike, W5UC
### agreed ! This new group is gonna blow away the
old 'amps' group.... hands down... stay tuned.

Later... and greetings... from Jim VE7RF


Re: About 4-1000 family

pentalab
 

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., "David C. Hallam"
<dhallam@...> wrote:

Guillermo,

The PR version of the 4-1000A stands for pulse rated and simply
means the
internal structure will handle very high current on a intermittent
basis.
Others may give you a different take on the idle current, but not
having a
copy of that handbook I would think that is for 2 tubes. ZSAC (
zero signal
anode current) for AB1/AB2 is generally adjusted to give about 1/2
of the
rated dissipation of the tube(s).
### The PR version will handle sky high plate voltages...
like 10-30 KV.

### In GG... with around 7 v of zener bias.... and 4800V... I
was seeing around 70 Ma ZSAC. [single tube]

### A small SPST CENTER OFF toggle switch and a string of
diodes will provide 3 x bias positions..... and a rotary
switch is the ultimate set up. I also found that the vdrop
across the string of either 1N5408's or 6A1O's [ 1 kv - 6 A..
400 A surge] diodes increases from aprx .7 V to almost .8 V
when current thru em increases from 200 ma to 2 A.

### I installed 7 x 1000 uf lytics in parallel [7000 uf]
across the entire mess of diodes...... resulted in superb bias
regulation. Just beware... the wire leads from the diodes IS
the heatsink for the diodes. The 6 A diodes run luke warm
with 2 A CCS thru em.

Later... Jim VE7RF



David
KC2JD


Re: [-] Re: Re: Panasonic/Matsushita Switcher HV-PS u-Wave Oven

Paul Playford
 

It is information like this that maintains my interest in amateur radio.

de Paul, W8AEF

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Glover" <r.glover@...>
To: <ham_amplifiers@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 2:39 PM
Subject: [-] Re: [ham_amplifiers] Re: Panasonic/Matsushita Switcher HV-PS u-Wave Oven


Dave Smith VK3HZ did some ivvesigation of these, with interesting findings
at:

www.users.bigpond.net.au/dwsmith/hv_inverter.pdf

Roger



----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick" <pa3duv@...>
To: <ham_amplifiers@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:33 PM
Subject: [ham_amplifiers] Re: Panasonic/Matsushita Switcher HV-PS u-Wave
Oven


Very interesting Rich.
What would be the regulation of this switched mode power supply?
Cheers, Dick

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., R L Measures <r@...> wrote:

I purchased one unit from Costco. The price was $99. The unit was
surprisingly light in weight compared to my old transformer-
powered
400W u-wave oven. I found no RFI problem from 50 - 550 MHz. The
rating is 1300w, which is most probably the DC input power to the
magnetron. At 120V, c. 17A of current is drawn. If a SSB amateur
radio amplifier was built using the Matsushita switcher PS, two
units
are probably needed. By putting the 120V inputs to the two
switcher
supplies in series, operation from a standard, 240VCT, 20A outlet
would work. I have not yet disassembled the oven to measure the
HV.
Does anyone know what's the typical range of potentials used to
power
magnetrons of this size? tnx

R L MEASURES, AG6K. 805-386-3734
r@...


Re: New poll for ham_amplifiers

Mike Sawyer
 

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Frank,
??? I thought I took all your 4-1000's ;>) Welcome to the new group.
Mod-U-Lator,
Mike(y)
W3SLK

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] New poll for ham_amplifiers

Maybe we could change the pole to what size breaker can you trip.......I plea the fifth

ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
ham_amplifiers group:

what is the output power capability of your HF power amplifier.
(obviously we never exeed our legal limit)

o < 2 kW
o 3 kW
o 6 kW
o 12 kW
o > 15 kW

To vote, please visit the following web page:


Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!



Top band Reflector

Mike&#92;(W5UC&#92;) & Kathy&#92;(K5MWH&#92;)
 

Earlier today someone mentioned the top band reflector. I love 160 and can't
wait until the bands get quiet enough for it to be productive. However I
have a lot to learn about building some kinda receiving antenna that will
improve my reception. How do I find it?

73,
Mike, W5UC


Re: Panasonic/Matsushita Switcher HV-PS u-Wave Oven

 

Dave Smith VK3HZ did some ivvesigation of these, with interesting findings at:

www.users.bigpond.net.au/dwsmith/hv_inverter.pdf

Roger

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick" <pa3duv@...>
To: <ham_amplifiers@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:33 PM
Subject: [ham_amplifiers] Re: Panasonic/Matsushita Switcher HV-PS u-Wave Oven


Very interesting Rich.
What would be the regulation of this switched mode power supply?
Cheers, Dick

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., R L Measures <r@...> wrote:

I purchased one unit from Costco. The price was $99. The unit was
surprisingly light in weight compared to my old transformer-
powered
400W u-wave oven. I found no RFI problem from 50 - 550 MHz. The
rating is 1300w, which is most probably the DC input power to the
magnetron. At 120V, c. 17A of current is drawn. If a SSB amateur
radio amplifier was built using the Matsushita switcher PS, two
units
are probably needed. By putting the 120V inputs to the two
switcher
supplies in series, operation from a standard, 240VCT, 20A outlet
would work. I have not yet disassembled the oven to measure the
HV.
Does anyone know what's the typical range of potentials used to
power
magnetrons of this size? tnx

R L MEASURES, AG6K. 805-386-3734
r@...






Yahoo! Groups Links









Re: New Group

FRANCIS CARCIA
 

man you got that right? John.....all that useless mail. The one on wiring back to the breaker panel that went on for ever sent me a runnin. my $50,000 alpha won't work?

jcoupejr wrote:

I am very happy we have found a new unmoderated home. Recent posts on
the old group have been boaring to say the least.

Welcome to all and lets continue to have free and meaningful
discussions on this great topic!

John Coupe
WA3BXH



Re: New poll for ham_amplifiers

FRANCIS CARCIA
 

Maybe we could change the pole to what size breaker can you trip.......I plea the fifth

ham_amplifiers@... wrote:


Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
ham_amplifiers group:

what is the output power capability of your HF power amplifier.
(obviously we never exeed our legal limit)

o < 2 kW
o 3 kW
o 6 kW
o 12 kW
o > 15 kW

To vote, please visit the following web page:


Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!