Jim,

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Socialism doesn't work, has not ever worked, and will never work for the every reasons you have pointed out in your previous emails.? Anytime you get the government involved in anything, corruption causes things to go to hell.? Government is the biggest source of corruption in society.? It surpasses individuals, businesses, and anything else you can name.? God save us from more big government.? I'll take big business corruption any day compare to big government corruption.? We elect people who think they know what is right for you.? They end up knowing what is right for them.

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The US had a famous cowboy philosopher back in the 1920's by the name of Will Rogers.??He was a Democrat and probably?some what of a socialist, but one of his most famous quotes was " The people elected Calvin Coolidge president.? He didn't do much, but that's what the people wanted."? I think that's what the people in the US want today.? A president and congress that won't do much. Stop trying to fix things and just leave us along!!!!!

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David

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-----Original Message-----
From: ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of pentalab
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 4:19 PM
To: ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ham_amplifiers] Re: Enough!

--- In ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com, "Mike(W5UC) & Kathy(K5MWH)"
wrote:
>
> Francis, several days ago I attempted to end this discussion by
> saying that we will not agree on this. We will not! Who is the
> moderator here and why isn't he doing his job? It is time to end
> this rant designed to promote socialism.

### What's wrong with Socialism ?? Works here. What needs to
be gov't run is stuff like medical/dental/ residential
water/commercial AC power production/ car insurance/ Ferry sytems,
etc. At least that's our idea of.."socilism" You privatize any
of that just mentioned... and prices skyrocket.. and standards drop.

## case in point.... in VE6 land... they had this brilliant idea
they would privatize.. and sell off ALL AC power production. The
idea was that private co's would invest Billions in new power
production. They were gonna chop it up into 8-10 pieces. When
only 4-5 co's showed up... they were surprised... and proceeded
to divvy up the province of alberta into North south east west.
The co's are real happy now. NONE of em compete with each
other... since they have their own turf. None of em are the
slighest bit interested in spending Billions to generate new AC
power. [the provincial gov't there thought with some co spending
billions on new power... rates would...drop]. Instead... there
was no increase in production at all.... rates went up as much as
450 % !!

### In the UK... they did the same thing with their various water
supply's for residential water. Their water rates have gone up
400 % ! They also privatized the construction of new hospital
facilities.... now the consumer is paying through the nose for it.

### cheap electric/water rates means a better economy. You start
paying sky high rates... and the one of 2 things happen.... either
increased production costs get passed onto the consumer... or co XXX
sells up... and moves. In VE6 land... they had foundries that had
been there a long time... and couldn't compete with the province of
manitoba [VE4 land].... due to the huge difference in electrical
rates. The foundries in VE6 land moved to VE4 land.

## If u wanna pay retail + 100%... go for it. Most of us like the
wholesale rate.

later... Jim VE7RF

>

Dear Rich,

Look at your reflector archives for the past couple of days.
There's a ham who is selling all sorts of amplifier parts,
including plate chokes.
W2CQM, Ron Lumachi.
He's been on the reflector forever, and he has some great stuff.
Hal
W4HBM

to buy but a lot of stuff to build with. My next thing to figure
out is the plate choke for a 4-1000A, I plan on about 3500v, first
test, it nothing goes up in smoke I can later up the voltage to
4500. The amp will be a mono-bander at first, 21Mhz. With out a dip
meter is there a simple way to build a HV plate choke. I will not
load it to the max , just trying to make something work.



Rich , kd0zz

Back to Radio / Amp stuff

Hello all you smart people, I don?t have any electrical
training but I am slowly building an amp from my junk
box. The power supply is complete. I enjoyed the
information about "glitch"protection and did a cut and
paste of all the important notes, making my information
list to build by. I will use a 50ohm resistor and a small
gage wire as a fuse in the HV line. I will also put in a
fuse c/t of the filament / bias line. I don?t have much
money (retired) to buy but a lot of stuff to build with. My
next thing to figure out is the plate choke for a 4-1000A,
I plan on about 3500v, first test, it nothing goes up in
smoke I can later up the voltage to 4500. The amp will
be a mono-bander at first, 21Mhz. With out a dip meter
is there a simple way to build a HV plate choke. I will
not load it to the max , just trying to make something
work.

Rich , kd0zz

Hi Dick --
Good luck on your 4-1000A amplifier. I built one
back in the 70s and you can see it at:

. <>

1000A%20Amp/4-1000a1.htm

I was going to mention a cost-saver for you since
you mentioned about building your amp a low cost.
Many years ago I read a suggestion, I believe in 73
Magazine, where a fellow suggested using a 1 gallon
pickle jar as a replacement for the more expensive
Pyrex chimney for a 4-1000A. He cut out the bottom
and enlarged the top and claimed it fit the air socket
just fine. At the time I read that I think my regular
Pyrex chimney cost me $12 but I put that bit of
information in the back of my skull in case I ever
needed to have another one or a replacement. So
far I've never had to use it.

You mentioned that you already had a chimney so
you won't need that bit of info either but it might be
worth remembering for something.

The plate choke I used in my amp was commercially
available but I don't recall the manufacturer. They
probably aren't in business now anyway. (Oh no....I
hope that doesn't resurrect the recent thread on the
ham_amplifier reflector which had nothing to do with
ham_amplifiers.)

Good luck on your project. There's nothing quite like
the feeling you get from throwing the switch on a
3500+ volt power supply connected to a newly-build
but totally-untested amplifier. You've heard about
people who saw their whole life flash before their
eyes? That's similar.

73,
Jim - K5LAD

On 4 Jan 2007 at 17:05, Rich & DJ wrote:

Back to Radio / Amp stuff

Hello all you smart people, I don?t have any electrical
training but I am slowly building an amp from my junk
box. The power supply is complete. I enjoyed the
information about "glitch"protection and did a cut and
paste of all the important notes, making my information
list to build by. I will use a 50ohm resistor and a small
gage wire as a fuse in the HV line. I will also put in a
fuse c/t of the filament / bias line. I don?t have much
money (retired) to buy but a lot of stuff to build with. My
next thing to figure out is the plate choke for a 4-1000A,
I plan on about 3500v, first test, it nothing goes up in
smoke I can later up the voltage to 4500. The amp will
be a mono-bander at first, 21Mhz. With out a dip meter
is there a simple way to build a HV plate choke. I will
not load it to the max , just trying to make something
work.

Rich , kd0zz

"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something
stupid to say and then don't say it." -- Sam
Levenson
=======================================
My Web Page - . <>

<. <>

Hi Dick --
Good luck on your 4-1000A amplifier. I built one
back in the 70s and you can see it at:

<>
1000A%20Amp/4-1000a1.htm

I was going to mention a cost-saver for you since
you mentioned about building your amp a low cost.
Many years ago I read a suggestion, I believe in 73
Magazine, where a fellow suggested using a 1 gallon
pickle jar as a replacement for the more expensive
Pyrex chimney for a 4-1000A. He cut out the bottom
and enlarged the top and claimed it fit the air socket
just fine. At the time I read that I think my regular
Pyrex chimney cost me $12 but I put that bit of
information in the back of my skull in case I ever
needed to have another one or a replacement. So
far I've never had to use it.

You mentioned that you already had a chimney so
you won't need that bit of info either but it might be
worth remembering for something.

The plate choke I used in my amp was commercially
available but I don't recall the manufacturer. They
probably aren't in business now anyway. (Oh no....I
hope that doesn't resurrect the recent thread on the
ham_amplifier reflector which had nothing to do with
ham_amplifiers.)

Good luck on your project. There's nothing quite like
the feeling you get from throwing the switch on a
3500+ volt power supply connected to a newly-build
but totally-untested amplifier. You've heard about
people who saw their whole life flash before their
eyes? That's similar.

73,
Jim - K5LAD

On 4 Jan 2007 at 17:05, Rich & DJ wrote:

Back to Radio / Amp stuff

Hello all you smart people, I dont have any electrical
training but I am slowly building an amp from my junk
box. The power supply is complete. I enjoyed the
information about "glitch"protection and did a cut and
paste of all the important notes, making my information
list to build by. I will use a 50ohm resistor and a small
gage wire as a fuse in the HV line. I will also put in a
fuse c/t of the filament / bias line. I dont have much
money (retired) to buy but a lot of stuff to build with. My
next thing to figure out is the plate choke for a 4-1000A,
I plan on about 3500v, first test, it nothing goes up in
smoke I can later up the voltage to 4500. The amp will
be a mono-bander at first, 21Mhz. With out a dip meter
is there a simple way to build a HV plate choke. I will
not load it to the max , just trying to make something
work.

Rich , kd0zz

"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something
stupid to say and then don't say it." -- Sam
Levenson
=======================================
My Web Page - <>

Randy,

No, but what editing has happened by 2 or 3 that has contributed has
only been to correct any mis-spelled words and clean up any
formatting. It's all there in good shape. The thing that happened the
first time was the one who authored the Transformers page didn't want
the extra info on actually designing them on that page, and he was
the sole one who did the deleting. Another person from that page and
myself created the one for Transformer design, and a few others
jumped in to help so it's backed up and protected. Anyone can edit a
page, and I hope it might be expanded upon in the areas of RF and
audio/impedance transformers. I wrote everything that is there now
about power transformer design, but left the areas above out for
someone else to do if they want to add them.

Best,

Will

--- In ham_amplifiers@... <mailto:ham_amplifiers%40yahoogroups.com>, Randy <fu.bar@...> wrote:

Did you take some steps to prevent some jerk from wiping it out

again?

73,
Randy
KZ4RV
craxd wrote:

All,

I finally found time to set down and finish the transformer design
page at Wikipedia. I finished several sections and some more on

the

types of iron or alloys used. For any interested, the link is

below.

<>

<

<>>

Best,

Will

-----Original Message-----
From: ham_amplifiers@... [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]On Behalf Of pentalab
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 4:19 PM
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Subject: [ham_amplifiers] Re: Enough!

--- In ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com, "Mike(W5UC) & Kathy(K5MWH)"
wrote:
>
> Francis, several days ago I attempted to end this discussion by
> saying that we will not agree on this. We will not! Who is the
> moderator here and why isn't he doing his job? It is time to end
> this rant designed to promote socialism.

### What's wrong with Socialism ?? Works here. What needs to
be gov't run is stuff like medical/dental/ residential
water/commercial AC power production/ car insurance/ Ferry sytems,
etc. At least that's our idea of.."socilism" You privatize any
of that just mentioned... and prices skyrocket.. and standards drop.

## case in point.... in VE6 land... they had this brilliant idea
they would privatize.. and sell off ALL AC power production. The
idea was that private co's would invest Billions in new power
production. They were gonna chop it up into 8-10 pieces. When
only 4-5 co's showed up... they were surprised... and proceeded
to divvy up the province of alberta into North south east west.
The co's are real happy now. NONE of em compete with each
other... since they have their own turf. None of em are the
slighest bit interested in spending Billions to generate new AC
power. [the provincial gov't there thought with some co spending
billions on new power... rates would...drop]. Instead... there
was no increase in production at all.... rates went up as much as
450 % !!

### In the UK... they did the same thing with their various water
supply's for residential water. Their water rates have gone up
400 % ! They also privatized the construction of new hospital
facilities.... now the consumer is paying through the nose for it.

### cheap electric/water rates means a better economy. You start
paying sky high rates... and the one of 2 things happen.... either
increased production costs get passed onto the consumer... or co XXX
sells up... and moves. In VE6 land... they had foundries that had
been there a long time... and couldn't compete with the province of
manitoba [VE4 land].... due to the huge difference in electrical
rates. The foundries in VE6 land moved to VE4 land.

## If u wanna pay retail + 100%... go for it. Most of us like the
wholesale rate.

later... Jim VE7RF

>