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Thought this was a Ham Interest group....Guess it's a Political mud
slinger outfit!

Can anyone point me to a source where I can buy brass mesh (0.1" or
0.15" holes, need a 4"x4" pices and a 3"x 3" piece. Local shop only
carry alu and stell mesh.

Francis, several days ago I attempted to end this discussion by saying that we will not agree on this.? We? will not!? Who is the moderator here and why isn't he doing his job?? It is time to end this rant designed to promote socialism.


At 07:15 AM 1/4/2007, you wrote:

poor congress needs the money to pad their package since a lot of those useless AHs will retire today

craxd wrote:

It's a shame that the states had to step in and raise the minimum

wage instead of the old congress. That shows where the one parties

loyalties are at. During this time, the minority party tried to raise

the minimum wage three times, and the majority party shot it down.

Even at these current raises by the states, the folks making minimum

wage are still under the poverty level in this country. Congress

changed hands today, so I expect a federal minimum wage increase is

around the corner pretty soon.

Lets say that if one worked 8 hours a day, 5 days per week, at 4

weeks per month, times 12 months, what would their gross income be at

$7.25 an hour? It comes up to a whopping $13,920! They shouldn't be

any income tax as that's under the minimum to file I think, unless

any states are stricter on state income tax. Rent is around $500 a

month at the cheapest around here (unless you live in squalor or the

projects), then you have the utility bills. If you have kids, then

it's worse as one still has to eat. What do you then do if you get

sick? I seen on a news show that Walmart does offer health insurance,

but you have to pay for it out of your payroll check at about $120+ a

month. At that, I think that's per person if I recall. The employees

simply can't afford this, so they end up on Medicaid if they have

children. Medicaid is paid for out of both federal and state tax

dollars that we contribute. If Walmart was unionized, they would

receive health benefits through the company with a guaranteed

retirement benefit. They would also be able to raise grievances and

be protected from immediate termination at any time some boss get's a

burr up his/her ass. Right now, Walmart advises any vendor to move

their production to China if they want to sell to them. This so they

can double or triple on the products they sell to us and make the CEO

a fortune. That golden parachute is all that counts to them. To top

it all, at one time, Walmart bragged they bought all they could from

US manufacturers. Walmart if NOT the only one doing this either.

The company I used to work for, ACF Industries, practically shut down

both union plants they have. They are in Huntington, WV, and Milton

PA. Now, they only have them making piece parts with no new RR car

production, and about 1/8 the work force. They built 2 new plants in

Arkansas, one for tank cars and the other for the center flow hopper

car they made here in Huntington. In the union plants, a welder made

about $12 an hour plus bonus (equalling about $16 an hour), and all

the union benefits. There, a welder gets about $8 an hour in a non-

union shop.

Best,

Will

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., "pentalab"

wrote:

>

> --- In ham_amplifiers@..., "ky4sp" wrote:

> >

> > I beg to differ; half my family works at Wal-Mart. It beats

flipping

> > hamburgers by quite a bit. Of course they realize that having "a

> > job" in itself doesn't guarantee that you will have a nice house,

> > car and pocketful of $$ for the weekend.

> >

> > The fact is that many entry-level jobs simply are not worth the

> > current minimum wage, if that.

>

> ### say what ?? How can any entry level job not be worth

current

> minimum wage ?? What is current minimum wage..... and when was

the

> last time somebody raised the current minimum wage ??

>

> ### Here's an interesting experiment. Let's say there was no

minimum

> wage. I wonder just how low employer's would go... and how low

joe

> smuck would work for ??

>

> Later... Jim VE7RF

>

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"age & treachery will overcome youth & skill"

poor congress needs the money to pad their package since a lot?of those useless AHs?will retire today

craxd wrote:

Randy,

No, but what editing has happened by 2 or 3 that has contributed has
only been to correct any mis-spelled words and clean up any
formatting. It's all there in good shape. The thing that happened the
first time was the one who authored the Transformers page didn't want
the extra info on actually designing them on that page, and he was
the sole one who did the deleting. Another person from that page and
myself created the one for Transformer design, and a few others
jumped in to help so it's backed up and protected. Anyone can edit a
page, and I hope it might be expanded upon in the areas of RF and
audio/impedance transformers. I wrote everything that is there now
about power transformer design, but left the areas above out for
someone else to do if they want to add them.

Best,

Will


--- In ham_amplifiers@..., Randy <fu.bar@...> wrote:

Did you take some steps to prevent some jerk from wiping it out

again?

73,
Randy
KZ4RV
craxd wrote:

All,

I finally found time to set down and finish the transformer design
page at Wikipedia. I finished several sections and some more on

the

types of iron or alloys used. For any interested, the link is

below.

<>

Best,

Will

Hello everyone!
My friend pick up a repairable AL572X.The Pi network's three coils(L1, L2 & L3) have been missed,
Could any gus can tell he the detail( diameter ,length and tap,etc ) about the coils?If it is possible, he need its pics in
AL572 or AL572X.
73!Hsu

Did you take some steps to prevent some jerk from wiping it out again?

73,
Randy
KZ4RV
craxd wrote:

Is it possible to get the list on another topic off of politics and
whining. How about, oh I don't know, maybe Amateur Radio and Amplifers
for instance?

David K6DMA

Wal-mart always seems to have a big stack of applications to
choose from when someone quits for a "good" job. It looks as if we
shall have to "agree to disagree" here. I don't have everything I
want (my "big" amp is a reworked L4B), but many are worse off.

AW

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., FRANCIS CARCIA <carcia@...>
wrote:

eliminate all the middle class jobe and the class changes to

poverty class.

Not all factory workers are lazy btw. Most are willing to work

pretty hard for good pay.

WM is just a garbage job you get stuck with when there is

nothing else..

Yea that $25 an hour job went away and the margin goes into the

CEO's pocket.

Look at the Home Depot clown who got the boot today. How will he

ever live on $210 mil.

Watch your neighbor get screwed and someday roles will reverse

and you both end up in a tent city.

35 and not a CEO making 100 mill a year is also your fault. We

all should be CEOs doctors lawyers and professional people.

ky4sp <ky4sp@...> wrote:
Wal-mart beats many jobs available in my immediate

locale by a

pretty good margin. The lowest paid jobs start at $6.15 or so.

Sure,

there are better jobs, but when you compare the expense of driving
40 to 75 miles one way to work, a local WM job looks OK with over

an

hour of time and $2.50/gal gasoline saved each way. And they have

a

good ESOP program if one has the sense to take advantage of it, as
mentioned elsewhere.

Sure, many people that work there would rather make $25/hour
standing around a factory watching some machine work, but most of
the factory jobs here are gone for that reason. It is a lot

cheaper

to move the machine away to Honduras, Mexico or where ever and pay
someone $2.50/hr to watch it run. Production workers have priced
themselves out of the market here in the US.

Raising the minimum wage will solve nothing in the long term. The
real problem is that many younger Americans place an unrealistic
value on the limited skill sets that they have. As one local paper
said recently, if you are 35 years old and still working for

minimum

wage it is your own fault, not anyone else's.

AW

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., FRANCIS CARCIA <carcia@>
wrote:

I don't think admitting 1/2 a family works for WM is a source of

family pride. Who puts a roof over their heads? Not WM.

pentalab <jim.thomson@> wrote: --- In

ham_amplifiers@..., "ky4sp" <ky4sp@> wrote:

I beg to differ; half my family works at Wal-Mart. It beats

flipping

hamburgers by quite a bit. Of course they realize that

having "a

job" in itself doesn't guarantee that you will have a nice

house,

car and pocketful of $$ for the weekend.

The fact is that many entry-level jobs simply are not worth

the

current minimum wage, if that.

### say what ?? How can any entry level job not be worth current
minimum wage ?? What is current minimum wage..... and when was

the

last time somebody raised the current minimum wage ??

### Here's an interesting experiment. Let's say there was no

minimum

wage. I wonder just how low employer's would go... and how low

joe

smuck would work for ??

Later... Jim VE7RF

It's a shame that the states had to step in and raise the minimum
wage instead of the old congress. That shows where the one parties
loyalties are at. During this time, the minority party tried to raise
the minimum wage three times, and the majority party shot it down.
Even at these current raises by the states, the folks making minimum
wage are still under the poverty level in this country. Congress
changed hands today, so I expect a federal minimum wage increase is
around the corner pretty soon.

Lets say that if one worked 8 hours a day, 5 days per week, at 4
weeks per month, times 12 months, what would their gross income be at
$7.25 an hour? It comes up to a whopping $13,920! They shouldn't be
any income tax as that's under the minimum to file I think, unless
any states are stricter on state income tax. Rent is around $500 a
month at the cheapest around here (unless you live in squalor or the
projects), then you have the utility bills. If you have kids, then
it's worse as one still has to eat. What do you then do if you get
sick? I seen on a news show that Walmart does offer health insurance,
but you have to pay for it out of your payroll check at about $120+ a
month. At that, I think that's per person if I recall. The employees
simply can't afford this, so they end up on Medicaid if they have
children. Medicaid is paid for out of both federal and state tax
dollars that we contribute. If Walmart was unionized, they would
receive health benefits through the company with a guaranteed
retirement benefit. They would also be able to raise grievances and
be protected from immediate termination at any time some boss get's a
burr up his/her ass. Right now, Walmart advises any vendor to move
their production to China if they want to sell to them. This so they
can double or triple on the products they sell to us and make the CEO
a fortune. That golden parachute is all that counts to them. To top
it all, at one time, Walmart bragged they bought all they could from
US manufacturers. Walmart if NOT the only one doing this either.

The company I used to work for, ACF Industries, practically shut down
both union plants they have. They are in Huntington, WV, and Milton
PA. Now, they only have them making piece parts with no new RR car
production, and about 1/8 the work force. They built 2 new plants in
Arkansas, one for tank cars and the other for the center flow hopper
car they made here in Huntington. In the union plants, a welder made
about $12 an hour plus bonus (equalling about $16 an hour), and all
the union benefits. There, a welder gets about $8 an hour in a non-
union shop.

Best,

Will


--- In ham_amplifiers@..., "pentalab" <jim.thomson@...>
wrote:

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., "ky4sp" <ky4sp@> wrote:

I beg to differ; half my family works at Wal-Mart. It beats

flipping

hamburgers by quite a bit. Of course they realize that having "a
job" in itself doesn't guarantee that you will have a nice house,
car and pocketful of $$ for the weekend.

The fact is that many entry-level jobs simply are not worth the
current minimum wage, if that.

### say what ?? How can any entry level job not be worth

current

minimum wage ?? What is current minimum wage..... and when was

the

last time somebody raised the current minimum wage ??

### Here's an interesting experiment. Let's say there was no

minimum

wage. I wonder just how low employer's would go... and how low

joe

smuck would work for ??

Later... Jim VE7RF

Wal-mart beats many jobs available in my immediate locale by a
pretty good margin. The lowest paid jobs start at $6.15 or so. Sure,
there are better jobs, but when you compare the expense of driving
40 to 75 miles one way to work, a local WM job looks OK with over an
hour of time and $2.50/gal gasoline saved each way. And they have a
good ESOP program if one has the sense to take advantage of it, as
mentioned elsewhere.

Sure, many people that work there would rather make $25/hour
standing around a factory watching some machine work, but most of
the factory jobs here are gone for that reason. It is a lot cheaper
to move the machine away to Honduras, Mexico or where ever and pay
someone $2.50/hr to watch it run. Production workers have priced
themselves out of the market here in the US.

Raising the minimum wage will solve nothing in the long term. The
real problem is that many younger Americans place an unrealistic
value on the limited skill sets that they have. As one local paper
said recently, if you are 35 years old and still working for minimum
wage it is your own fault, not anyone else's.

AW



--- In ham_amplifiers@..., FRANCIS CARCIA <carcia@...>
wrote:

I don't think admitting 1/2 a family works for WM is a source of

family pride. Who puts a roof over their heads? Not WM.

pentalab <jim.thomson@...> wrote: --- In

ham_amplifiers@..., "ky4sp" <ky4sp@> wrote:

I beg to differ; half my family works at Wal-Mart. It beats

flipping

hamburgers by quite a bit. Of course they realize that having "a
job" in itself doesn't guarantee that you will have a nice

house,

car and pocketful of $$ for the weekend.

The fact is that many entry-level jobs simply are not worth the
current minimum wage, if that.

### say what ?? How can any entry level job not be worth current
minimum wage ?? What is current minimum wage..... and when was the
last time somebody raised the current minimum wage ??

### Here's an interesting experiment. Let's say there was no

minimum

wage. I wonder just how low employer's would go... and how low joe
smuck would work for ??

Later... Jim VE7RF

Then they were not buying stock on $7 an hour they must have been managers.

"David C. Hallam" wrote:

conditioning

pentalab wrote:

Excellent question Vern. I know all of us would run the country differently
if WE were president, but there are two chances of that happening; slim and
none!
I know I could really whip up some political rhetoric here but I will
decline. I will suggest that we disengage from these world saving overtones
and get back to stuff that is really important: Parasitic Suppression;>)
I appreciate (not that it really matters) your indulgence.
Thank you es Mod-U-Lator,
Mike(y)
W3SLK

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., FRANCIS CARCIA <carcia@...>
wrote:

Jim, VE land is the land of poor health care as it is pumped here

down South. People believe it too!

### If u are getting your... "news" from ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN... or
that thing u call a newspaper [USA today].... I can understand why.

### I watch the above US TV stations all the time.... then watch BBC
world news, CBC... and some European news.... and get a 100% different
story on the Iraq /Afghanastan war.....who do u think is right?....
go figure.

Later... Jim VE7RF

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., "Vernon J. Kunes, Jr."
<n2yzs@...> wrote:

Just wondering. How did my original questions about my AL80-A lead

to

what has happened in the thread? 73 Vern

Amen, Vern!

One should have the courtesy to change the subject line when jumping
far afield from the current one.

We should all remember that these posts go into a perminant archive.
Someone in the future will have to read through some 20 + posts when
trying to find a fix for their AL-80 problem.

I am interested in following the AL-80 thread myself; I don't want to
block it to avoid the non-technical subject matter that it has
evolved into.

I am not advocating censorship, flaming, or wars of words; just
common courtesy.

(((73)))
Phil Clements, K5PC

Just wondering. How did my original questions about my AL80-A lead to
what has happened in the thread? 73 Vern

--- In ham_amplifiers@..., "David C. Hallam"
<dhallam@...> wrote:

Jim,

Just for the record: Where do you think the money is coming from

to pay your medical/dental/prescription bills if you don't pay it?
Or do health care providers and hospitals in Canada work for
nothing?

### A medical insurance cost study was done world wide 2 yrs
ago... and most countries in EU and Canada averaged out to anywhere
from $2300.00 to $3400.00 per yr per person. You don't wanna
even know what it cost per person,per year in the USA.

### Our rates are about $120.00 per month for a family of 4. In
any unionized co.... the co would be paying 3/4 of that. Most
unionized places will pay 80% of all prescription drugs. Ur cost of
prescription drugs is 2-3 x what it is here... and in US dollars...
which makes it even more.

### The biggest difference is our hospitals are gov't run....not
privately run. They DON'T make any profit. It's like paying
wholesale... instead of retail. And no, you can't buy shares in
abortion clinics either.

### GP's are allowed to Bill the gov't about $28.00 per visit...
and maybe 3-5 visits per hr. I think the average GP makes about
$140 K per year.. that's it. Specialists are about $250- $350 K
per year.

### Our gasoline/diesel prices cost more than yours... yet we pay
the same per barrel.

## We pay more fed/provincial income tax's.

### In the UK... the gasoline/diesel prices DO pay for their
medical system.

### we don't pay for CT scans or MRI's. The machines only cost a
couple million each.... they just run em from 6 am to midnight 7
days a week.

### You have so much medical legal litigation ur way... a doctor
will order every test under the sun... to keep from getting sued
down the road.




### I talked to a buddy of mine.. and emergency room doctor in Sioux
falls... south dakota. He tells me 2 yrs ago his malpractise
premium s TRIPLED in under one year. He can't afford to work where
he does.... so commutes to the next state over... and comes home
every 2nd weekend. And this guy was making $600.00 US per hr !

## we had a ton of nurses up here [RN's] who went state side in
search of work.... they all eventually came back. The malpractise
premiums they had to pay monthly were beyond bizzare. That was
about 6 yrs ago.

Why is there a continual stream of people coming to the US from

Canada for surgeries they can't get in Canada, or would have to
wait years to get? And pay out of their own pocket.

### The backlog on hip replacement/knee surgeries was way too long
in the last 4 yrs. They have finally caught up in most places.. and
wait times are down about 80 % Of course, the super affluent
always have the option of heading to the US... and paying out of
their own pocket. In some cases... where some one off surgery
couldn't wait... some patients headed to the US... but the gov't
here picked up the entire tab.

### Got any idea how many Americans come here all year round to get
their prescriptions filled... they save a bundle. Literally
boatloads of em came last 2 years to get annual flu shots. Flu
shots are dirt cheap.. and most co's will do em for their
employee's for free. Why have people sick ? That just cost more
money with time off the job.


### a buddy of mine.. VE7DXQ.... goes to San francisco for his honey
moon back in the early 80's. He got food poisoning soon after
arrival. He goes to the local hospital emergency room... whereby a
nurse gives him some tylenol.. then tosses him out the door 1 hr
later. When he gets home... he gets a bill for get this...
$385.00... in US funds !! He never did get to see a Dr. Medical
travel insurance is cheap... and that's an example of why u need it.

since we really had to keep the tanks and airplanes coming off the
production lines, they needed to keep the unions working. Since

they

couldn't raise wages, they proposed to provide health insurance.

The unions

accepted, went back to work, and great medical cost spiral was

born.

### You can't have it both ways. If unionized co's don't pay
medical premiums.... then u better be paying em a helluva lot more
hourly wage... so they can pay em outa their own pocket.

### I still contend that ur cost of delivering effective health care
is right outa proportion to what it really cost to deliver. Toss
in all the lawyers, "admistrator's", bean counter's, accountant's,
and HMO's charging bizzare prices for what amounts to a middle
man huge mark up on actual costs... and you have a recipe for a
disaster.

## A guy I work with... his aunt in Colorado has cancer. She lost
her home.... paying the medical bills in the process ! I couldn't
believe it. Then I find out people actually declare personal
bankruptcy from medical debts incurred.

### A friend of my father worked in the provincial gov't up here
for years... as a manager of gov't medical services. He had
literally dozens and dozens of fellows flying up here from the
USA... all hmo types, medical delivery specialists, bean counter's,
fed and state reps, etc. They were all trying to figure out why
we could deliver the same medical care... for no where near the US
price tag. Their conclusion was.... until they get national health
care.. forget it... too many middle men. If u wanna pay $9.00
for a can of coke... go for it.

Later... Jim VE7RF

When the receiver of services has little or no connection with the

cost of

the services provided, things get out of hand in a hurry. Unlike

the

federal government, manufacturing and insurance companies don't

own printing

presses. If they need a few more billion, they can't just turn on

the

printing presses as the government does. Even that only works for

awhile.

Ask Argentina about that process.

David
KC2JD


-----Original Message-----
From: ham_amplifiers@...
[mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]On Behalf Of pentalab
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 3:11 PM
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Subject: [ham_amplifiers] Re: AL80-A


--- In ham_amplifiers@..., "craxd" <craxd@> wrote:
>>
> Second, the pension plans promised were not kept up. A lot of
large companies didn't pay into the pension plans all the money
they took from the employees pay checks.

### which is exactly why u want the union running the pension
plan.. or at least a joint union/company run pension plan... and
fully indexed to boot.

>
> These manufacturing compaines, the insurance companies, and the
> consumers are directly responsible for what's happening in
America.

### agreed.

> Caps should be placed on health insurance, dental insurance,

and

> prescription drug costs. Pension laws need updated to where

they

> can't be denied, and that what money is taken from the

employees

all go into the funds which have to stay solvent. The consumers
need to start buying US union made products even though they cost
more.

### agreed. A fellow I know in W6 land tells me he worked for
the airlines for 30 yrs..... he just retired a few yrs ago. Guess
what? After 2 yrs... his Pension cheques stopped coming in ! No
more medical, dental OR pension cheques. Only a tiny mention of

it

in the local paper...buried on last section. He comes unglued...
phones CNN.. major newspaper's etc.... they told him... "we are

not

allowed to report on it".... "otherwise we will lose airline co
XXX's advertising revenue". What a load of crap.

### Know I know why u have these people working till age 75.

Last, the southern states factory workers need to accept unions
into their plants instead of fighting them, and working for half

or

less of what they are worth. If they would let them in, they

would

receive all the benefits, and stop northern union companies from
moving plants to the south for slave labor.

### agreed. I get a laff from the..."right to work states"...
pretty sad. What those rules mean is.... you can work for a Co...
and NOT pay union dues. Soon, not enough people are paying....

and

CO XXX applies to have the union decertified.... then u are

toast.

### I can't fathom for one second,how working for sub standard
wages... and minimal or no benefits, is supposed to some how
be "good for u"

### What u pay for medical premiums and prescription drugs, is

like

me paying $9.00 for a can of coca cola.

### a Buddy of mine is W7 land has his wife get a job at K

mart...

just so they can get medical insurance... since he's diabetic...
and no one will insure him... at any price. Then he tell's me it
$60.00 cash up front... for a simple visit to ur local GP.

### Just for the record... I'm paying a minimal amount each month
for health/dental insurance... zero bucks for all gp/dental/ and
specialists and hosp visits... and virtually nothing for all
prescription drugs. We don't have HMO's either... don't want or
need em either. The best way to run a medical system is have the
state/fed gov't run it... and boot out all the middle
men/hmo's. .... ditto with commercial AC power. It's cheap to
produce ac power here... $5.00 per megawatt hr or .5 cent per
kwh. Consumer's pay about 6 cents per kwh... or 12 x as much as
it cost to produce.

## You start privatizing stuff.... u screw urself every time.

## BTW... who's paying the medical/dental for the 1.7 million
illegal aliens who cross ur southern border each yr ? Who's
paying for this $100 billion per yr war in Iraq ?

Later.... Jim VE7RF

That's what I've seen happen during my 42
> years of life on this old rock.
>
> Best,
>
> Will
>
>