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Re: AL80-A
David C. Hallam
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI have
some relatives who are millionaires today because they went to work for WalMart
in the beginning and along the way, invested in its stock.
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KC2JD
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Re: AL80-A
FRANCIS CARCIA
The Liberal Dem controlled government didn't cause a 10 T credit balance. raygun 1T don vito bush 3.6 bubba bush 5T....and counting Oh yes Hummer Clinton was about .$ 4?T in 8 years to turn it around and actually make it go down ? Don't take no PHD?math wiz to count it up....simple ritmatik ? Let's see the next excuse should be the credit card balance means nothing if you follow the play book ? And none of it went to improve my life as a tax payer. "David C. Hallam" wrote:
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Re: AL80-A
FRANCIS CARCIA
Jim, VE land is the land of poor health care as it is pumped here down South. People beleive it too! We? are quickly becoming a third world country with the yuppies making plenty of excuses for the way it should be. It is all about greed. The Federal Government it the only gang big enough to control these big business crooks but we end up send wanna be crooks to Washington. Within a year they are padding thier pockets for the next election. Very Sad. We have plenty of money to help everyone but ourselves.? pentalab wrote:
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Re: AL80-A
David C. Hallam
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýJim,
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Just
for the record: ?Where do you think the money is coming from to pay your
medical/dental/prescription bills if you don't pay it?? Or do health care
providers and hospitals in Canada work for nothing??
?
Why is
there a continual stream of people coming to the US from Canada for surgeries
they can't get in Canada, or would have to wait years to get?? And pay out
of their own pocket.
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Here
in the states if you really trace the cause back to its roots, we have the
unions to thank for starting the ever increasing cost of medical care.?
Back during WWII, the unions in the heavy manufacturing industry threatened to
strike, this was in the middle of a world war mind you, unless they got
raises.? The DEMOCRATIC controlled government had frozen wages so the
companies could not raise them.? Everybody got together and decided that
since we really?had to keep the tanks and airplanes coming off the
production lines,?they needed to keep the unions working.? Since they
couldn't raise wages, they proposed to provide health insurance.? The
unions accepted, went back to work, and great medical cost spiral was
born.
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When
the receiver of services has little or no connection with the cost of the
services provided, things get out of hand in?a hurry.? Unlike the
federal government, manufacturing and insurance companies don't own printing
presses.? If they need a few more billion, they can't just turn on the
printing presses as the government does.? Even that only works for
awhile.? Ask Argentina about that process.
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David
KC2JD
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Re: AL80-A
FRANCIS CARCIA
I don't think admitting 1/2 a family works for WM is a source of family pride. Who puts a roof over their heads? Not WM.
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Re: AL80-A
pentalab
--- In ham_amplifiers@..., "ky4sp" <ky4sp@...> wrote:
### say what ?? How can any entry level job not be worth current minimum wage ?? What is current minimum wage..... and when was the last time somebody raised the current minimum wage ?? ### Here's an interesting experiment. Let's say there was no minimum wage. I wonder just how low employer's would go... and how low joe smuck would work for ?? Later... Jim VE7RF |
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pentalab
--- In ham_amplifiers@..., "craxd" <craxd@...> wrote:
Second, the pension plans promised were not kept up. A lot oflarge companies didn't pay into the pension plans all the money they took from the employees pay checks. ### which is exactly why u want the union running the pension plan.. or at least a joint union/company run pension plan... and fully indexed to boot. America. ### agreed. Caps should be placed on health insurance, dental insurance, andall go into the funds which have to stay solvent. The consumers need to start buying US union made products even though they cost more. ### agreed. A fellow I know in W6 land tells me he worked for the airlines for 30 yrs..... he just retired a few yrs ago. Guess what? After 2 yrs... his Pension cheques stopped coming in ! No more medical, dental OR pension cheques. Only a tiny mention of it in the local paper...buried on last section. He comes unglued... phones CNN.. major newspaper's etc.... they told him... "we are not allowed to report on it".... "otherwise we will lose airline co XXX's advertising revenue". What a load of crap. ### Know I know why u have these people working till age 75. Last, the southern states factory workers need to accept unions into their plants instead of fighting them, and working for half or less of what they are worth. If they would let them in, they would receive all the benefits, and stop northern union companies from moving plants to the south for slave labor. ### agreed. I get a laff from the..."right to work states"... pretty sad. What those rules mean is.... you can work for a Co... and NOT pay union dues. Soon, not enough people are paying.... and CO XXX applies to have the union decertified.... then u are toast. ### I can't fathom for one second,how working for sub standard wages... and minimal or no benefits, is supposed to some how be "good for u" ### What u pay for medical premiums and prescription drugs, is like me paying $9.00 for a can of coca cola. ### a Buddy of mine is W7 land has his wife get a job at K mart... just so they can get medical insurance... since he's diabetic... and no one will insure him... at any price. Then he tell's me it $60.00 cash up front... for a simple visit to ur local GP. ### Just for the record... I'm paying a minimal amount each month for health/dental insurance... zero bucks for all gp/dental/ and specialists and hosp visits... and virtually nothing for all prescription drugs. We don't have HMO's either... don't want or need em either. The best way to run a medical system is have the state/fed gov't run it... and boot out all the middle men/hmo's. .... ditto with commercial AC power. It's cheap to produce ac power here... $5.00 per megawatt hr or .5 cent per kwh. Consumer's pay about 6 cents per kwh... or 12 x as much as it cost to produce. ## You start privatizing stuff.... u screw urself every time. ## BTW... who's paying the medical/dental for the 1.7 million illegal aliens who cross ur southern border each yr ? Who's paying for this $100 billion per yr war in Iraq ? Later.... Jim VE7RF That's what I've seen happen during my 42 years of life on this old rock. |
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Tom's Tubes - Tom Hix, W4TH, SK
Tony King - W4ZT
For those that haven't heard...
Tom Hix, W4TH, the owner of Tom's Tubes, passed away in late December. He had been in the hospital for quite some time and his tube business had been on hold as his web page had indicated. There is no word on whether the business will continue under new management. 73, Tony W4ZT |
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Re: AL80-A
FRANCIS CARCIA
Will, I don't agree the beltway bandits are the real problem because they let it happen while their pockets are lined with cash! Yes that political party has become the party of the greedy rich hiding behind the word conservative. All the need to say is God and the idiots of this nation continue to vote for them. It all started with the 1980 actor and his handlers and now we have the stumbler connected to the strings. 10T and counting now that is very conservative craxd wrote:
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craxd
--- In ham_amplifiers@..., "Mike(W5UC) &
Kathy(K5MWH)" <w5uc@...> wrote: non- unionsunion folks wouldn't have the minimum wage or other wages they have orof this country that fought for every workplace right we have, andAgreed! I don't have an issue with what unions were originally for what they did for the worker. However, modern unions have become That's not actually the case. What has happened is two fold in a majority of large companies. First, the health insurance companies are in the pockets of a certain political party and they have allowed them to jack the premiums up they charge the companies for medical insurance to unsightly high amounts without placing a cap on it. This all started happening after Januaray 1980. After 1980, there was 12 years of attacks on unions while allowing insurance companies to charge higher and higher rates. Remember when someone fired the aircraft controllers? The courts began to be packed with judges who were pro company in place of pro worker. There was several large companies still in business who declared bankruptcy for some of their subsidaries that had already quit business and were only there to pay out both pension and health benefits to retirees. These judges ruled in favor of these solvent companies to get out of paying these benefits for the subsidaries even though they were guaranteed under signed contracts. The first to do this was A.T. Massey Coal Co., and after their win, every company with these types of subsidaries took the unions to court and pretty much picked the judges they wanted. They actually got away with this. In the end of Clintons last days, He and Al Gore gave $40 million to the UMWA to prop up the medical insurance they had to pay for their retirees that Massey and some others got out of paying. Keep in mind that A.T. Massey Coal is still in business. Bethleham Steel pulled a similar tactic a few years back. ACF Industries where I worked is doing it now. Massey did this in the early 80's, and it started up again about 6 years ago all around here. Second, the pension plans promised were not kept up. A lot of large companies didn't pay into the pension plans all the money they took from the employees pay checks. What they did was to continually raise the salary of the CEO's of these companies via this very money while just issuing an IOU for the pension plans. They bet on the pension insurance through the fed to pay for any pension plans that went belly up. They again figured on bankrupting subsidaries to do this. Also, the 401K plan was really another scheme to get out of handling pensions. All this penny pinching led to higher profits and higher salries for the CEO's, etc... These manufacturing compaines, the insurance companies, and the consumers are directly responsible for what's happening in America. Caps should be placed on health insurance, dental insurance, and prescription drug costs. Pension laws need updated to where they can't be denied, and that what money is taken from the employees all go into the funds which have to stay solvent. The consumers need to start buying US union made products even though they cost more. Last, the southern states factory workers need to accept unions into their plants instead of fighting them, and working for half or less of what they are worth. If they would let them in, they would receive all the benefits, and stop northern union companies from moving plants to the south for slave labor. That's what I've seen happen during my 42 years of life on this old rock. Best, Will GM appears to be a prime |
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Re: AL80-A
David C. Hallam
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýMy
daughter has worked for American Airlines for a number of years.? In spite
of their financial condition, she has received a number of promotions and move
up the ladder in corporate management.? Sometimes the raises weren't
exactly in line with the increased responsibilities, but she moved
up.
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About
a year ago Kaiser Permanente offered her an excellent position with a good
increase over what AA was paying.? She stayed at KP about 6 months.?
The company was completely unionized and no one wanted to work.? She
tried?to organize teams and get her group to work together with little
success.? After about 6 months of that, she contacted AA and they said
please come back with a raise and promotion.
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Unions
had their place in the 1930's and maybe 1940's and the mining industry was a
good example of why unions were needed.? However, they have outlived their
usefulness and now only protect the inept and those who really don't want to
work.
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Starting in about 1965 my?working life was spent as an engineering
manager or plant manager in union operations.? I know what goes
on.
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David
KC2JD
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Re: AL80-A
Mike(W5UC) & Kathy(K5MWH)
At 11:18 PM 1/1/2007, you wrote:
For the ones questioning the unions, if it wasn't for them, the non-Agreed! I don't have an issue with what unions were originally for or what they did for the worker. However, modern unions have become machines of greed that totally disregard the effect that their demands have on the company and those who have to pay for their demands through higher product costs. GM appears to be a prime example. The unions have priced them out of the market, and ultimately are pricing themselves out of a job. 73, Mike, W5UC "age & treachery will overcome youth & skill" |
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Re: AL80-A
Harold Mandel
In the late 'Sixties I was an apprentice in a machine shop, non-union.
I was at the $3.55/hour level. One of the old hands was advising me not to ask for a raise, ever. The story was that if anyone went up the stairs to the foreman's office and asked for a raise, even a nickel, the entire shop would be laid off for the rest of the week. He told me how they voted the Amalgamated in when they were in Brooklyn. The vote was on a Friday, and everybody was excited about the wage increase, the benefits. Saturday, the shop owner moved the entire shop out, lock, stock and barrel. The following Monday, employees found the doors locked and not even a light bulb visible through the windows. Where they moved the shop to Carmel, New York was where I was employed. Needless to say, no union shop. However, the bennies for an aspiring amp builder were there. The older guys found that I had some radio skills and was heading for the U.S. Navy, so they took me under their wing and set me up in the toolroom. There was some crew, let me tell you. The head toolmaker, the meanest father-raper-lookin' dude of all, told me to cut off my long hair and be prepared to learn. He had one of the first numerical Bridgeports that displayed to 12 decimal places. He also had a thick steel 12" ruler in his pocket that he would crack over my knuckles when he saw me about to do something foolish. I can't thank these older guys for showing me the ropes enough. That's what apprenticeship is about, and that's what the unions should be about. Later on, I went into Local 3 when getting picked up by Ma Bell, and started a whole other apprenticeship that lasted another four years. That system has been in place for many, many years, and the requirement was to perform Craft that would never need fixing. I went on to show my apprentices the way, all until Judge Green wiped out Ma Bell. For our children, a pathway that doesn't mean college, for not all of them are scholastically inclined, would well include an apprenticeship in a trade, and that's possibly where the unions still contribute. We can't all be I-T managers, physicians and attorneys. Hal W4HBM _____ From: ham_amplifiers@... [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...] On Behalf Of FRANCIS CARCIA Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 9:08 AM To: ham_amplifiers@... Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Re: AL80-A Don't worry Will the greedy yuppies will wake up someday.....hopefully not too late to save this country from the low life trying to destroy it craxd <craxd@...> wrote: MFJ's grid dip meter is made in China or somewhere in Asia. That same meter has been branded by several companies including Leader in which I have both it and the MFJ. For the ones questioning the unions, if it wasn't for them, the non- union folks wouldn't have the minimum wage or other wages they have now, nor any saftey standards and health benefits. It was the unions of this country that fought for every workplace right we have, and put a stop to child labor. For the ones that are lucky enough, and smart enough to be in a union, you get way more benefits such as a pension and medical benefits, along with not being able to be fired at the drop of a hat, for the piddly amount of dues one pays. I was proud to be a member, and a union steward of the United Steel Workers of America. My father retired under the United Mine Workers of America, and retired with a pension and other benefits like lifetime healthcare. I also worked my ass off in two non-union machine shops at a whopping $7.00 an hour. One hired me for a government contract, and as soon as they were caught up in about 1-1/2 months, layed me off and several others with no notice, which by the way, in a union shop they are required to give. Neither had any retirement or medical benefits. One was actually a large shop making pump parts. The problem is that the younger generation never had to fight for, and spill their blood on the picket lines for all these rights they now enjoy due to the union presence. Sincerely, Will --- In ham_amplifiers@ <mailto:ham_amplifiers%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, PA3DUV <pa3duv@...> wrote: Mexico? I noticed that Icom partly produces in China, their simple stufflike speakers and microphones carry the "proudly made in the PRC" label. yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 6:12 PMwhen we felt sorry for Japan after WW2 and Ike sent jobs there. We will wake up when the greedy yuppies are the last to tax.Don't give a crap about the next guy he is just stupid and lazy......... yahoogroups.com, <w5uc@> wrote: have to sweat the issue of 8 bucks/hour. I'm retired and modestlylooking over my shoulder. My feeling has always been that Unions arefor people who can't cut it on their own. I never needed someoneelse to fight my battles for me. GL, 73skyrocketing in price [>400 K $ ] the joke is.. most peoples homes aremaking more money per year than the owners. You can't survive on$8.00. Heck u can't survive on double that these days. Now u need boththeir employeee's with crummy wages and no benefits.... then pocketthe difference.company in the future. I hear $8 an hour buys a lot of amplifiers. Betyou would love to join a union if you were making that big $8. Ihear cutting grass is a good business to get into. How aboutflipping burgers?businessI drive buy this little machine shop that went out of a while ago. We use to use them for rush jobs and they werecheap. Now we have to go far away and wait weeksbenefits### It wasn't.. it was a dumb move on their part.. thatexplain how smart that was. nobody.benefitsbusinesses than we can count by demanding more wages and than the employer could stand, all with no regard for anyonebut themselves. That's why I shop at Wal-Mart and admire them fornone], you are just screwing urself in the long run. My daughterworked there for a few months.... she was glad to get the hell out.and applied by more American businesses, there would be a lot moreof them still in operation. The basic strategy followed by themajor manufacturing companies was "Give the unions whatever they wantno matter how unreasonable it may be and keep the lines running.We will just pass the additional cost along to the buyers."less money.shore... then if that isn't bad enough... then screw their employeesover... and pocket the difference. "out sourcing" is nothing morewas sending 500,000 tax returns to India.. to be processed. Itworked so good that the following year they electronically shippedmillions of em over. Then it went on to say that 22 state gov'ts nowship loads of stuff to India to be proccessed.. all sorts ofstandard gov't forms. They said within 5 yrs ALL US tax returns will bespeed electronic transfer of data... for fed/state paper work...big world wide .. 'electronic sweat shop'... with no end in site.for u....dirt cheap.. then forward his finding's back.else can compete... they just follow suit... and buy off shore aswell. wasn't even keeping records of job losses to overseas. Now they arespecial treatment etc.into guadamala and costa rica... where expensive ladies clothes werehad done some dumpster diving just outside the factory's... andfound the paper work... depicting the exact break down cost to makeeach ladies blouse..... worked out to 2 cents a minute for labour...and they gave em 11 minutes to make each one ! The shipping costwere far more than the labour cost. And these items sold for as muchper hour.... and the gov't allows co's to "outsource" overseas....the union issue isn't even relevent here. Don't want to work forslave labour rates?? Fine.. we'll just..."out source" urmanufacturing job then.cents... per day ! Hundreds of workers were brought in from the countryhadn't been paid. With a Communist gov't running the show... and aload of serious fire power to back em up... stuff like unions and humanHong Kong showed em exactly how to do it too..since they are all inthe same bed together. I'm half expecting Hsu to come and blast uselection LOL.and there won't be enough of the upper class to pay for all thismess. if it ain't made here... u can't sell it here. Notice NO TV's havebeen made in Japan since 1987. Once India seems to expensive...China will be the next place to "do business". Once China is deemedtoo expensive... the workload will just pass on to the next 3rdworld country... and the cycle keeps on going.per year....... in India. Of course you have to be fully trained..and have all the appropriate University degree's. If you don't likeit after a while.... you can always just cross the street... andthe crime and divorce rates keep going up. |
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Re: AL80-A
FRANCIS CARCIA
Let's hope it is real our rates went up again yesterday
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Re: AL80-A
FRANCIS CARCIA
Don't worry Will the greedy yuppies will wake up someday.....hopefully not too late to save this country from the low life trying to destroy it
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Re: AL80-A
craxd
MFJ's grid dip meter is made in China or somewhere in Asia. That same
meter has been branded by several companies including Leader in which I have both it and the MFJ. For the ones questioning the unions, if it wasn't for them, the non- union folks wouldn't have the minimum wage or other wages they have now, nor any saftey standards and health benefits. It was the unions of this country that fought for every workplace right we have, and put a stop to child labor. For the ones that are lucky enough, and smart enough to be in a union, you get way more benefits such as a pension and medical benefits, along with not being able to be fired at the drop of a hat, for the piddly amount of dues one pays. I was proud to be a member, and a union steward of the United Steel Workers of America. My father retired under the United Mine Workers of America, and retired with a pension and other benefits like lifetime healthcare. I also worked my ass off in two non-union machine shops at a whopping $7.00 an hour. One hired me for a government contract, and as soon as they were caught up in about 1-1/2 months, layed me off and several others with no notice, which by the way, in a union shop they are required to give. Neither had any retirement or medical benefits. One was actually a large shop making pump parts. The problem is that the younger generation never had to fight for, and spill their blood on the picket lines for all these rights they now enjoy due to the union presence. Sincerely, Will --- In ham_amplifiers@..., PA3DUV <pa3duv@...> wrote: Mexico? I noticed that Icom partly produces in China, their simple stufflike speakers and microphones carry the "proudly made in the PRC" label. when we felt sorry for Japan after WW2 and Ike sent jobs there. We will wake up when the greedy yuppies are the last to tax.Don't give a crap about the next guy he is just stupid and lazy......... have to sweat the issue of 8 bucks/hour. I'm retired and modestlylooking over my shoulder. My feeling has always been that Unions arefor people who can't cut it on their own. I never needed someoneelse to fight my battles for me. GL, 73skyrocketing in price [>400 K $ ] the joke is.. most peoples homes aremaking more money per year than the owners. You can't survive on$8.00. Heck u can't survive on double that these days. Now u need boththeir employeee's with crummy wages and no benefits.... then pocketthe difference.company in the future. I hear $8 an hour buys a lot of amplifiers. Betyou would love to join a union if you were making that big $8. Ihear cutting grass is a good business to get into. How aboutflipping burgers?business a while ago. We use to use them for rush jobs and they werecheap. Now we have to go far away and wait weeksbenefits nobody.benefits than the employer could stand, all with no regard for anyonebut themselves. That's why I shop at Wal-Mart and admire them fornone], you are just screwing urself in the long run. My daughterworked there for a few months.... she was glad to get the hell out.and applied by more American businesses, there would be a lot moreof them still in operation. The basic strategy followed by themajor manufacturing companies was "Give the unions whatever they wantno matter how unreasonable it may be and keep the lines running.We will just pass the additional cost along to the buyers."less money.shore... then if that isn't bad enough... then screw their employeesover... and pocket the difference. "out sourcing" is nothing morewas sending 500,000 tax returns to India.. to be processed. Itworked so good that the following year they electronically shippedmillions of em over. Then it went on to say that 22 state gov'ts nowship loads of stuff to India to be proccessed.. all sorts ofstandard gov't forms. They said within 5 yrs ALL US tax returns will bespeed electronic transfer of data... for fed/state paper work...big world wide .. 'electronic sweat shop'... with no end in site.for u....dirt cheap.. then forward his finding's back.else can compete... they just follow suit... and buy off shore aswell. wasn't even keeping records of job losses to overseas. Now they arespecial treatment etc.into guadamala and costa rica... where expensive ladies clothes werehad done some dumpster diving just outside the factory's... andfound the paper work... depicting the exact break down cost to makeeach ladies blouse..... worked out to 2 cents a minute for labour...and they gave em 11 minutes to make each one ! The shipping costwere far more than the labour cost. And these items sold for as muchper hour.... and the gov't allows co's to "outsource" overseas....the union issue isn't even relevent here. Don't want to work forslave labour rates?? Fine.. we'll just..."out source" urmanufacturing job then.cents... per day ! Hundreds of workers were brought in from the countryhadn't been paid. With a Communist gov't running the show... and aload of serious fire power to back em up... stuff like unions and humanHong Kong showed em exactly how to do it too..since they are all inthe same bed together. I'm half expecting Hsu to come and blast uselection LOL.and there won't be enough of the upper class to pay for all thismess. if it ain't made here... u can't sell it here. Notice NO TV's havebeen made in Japan since 1987. Once India seems to expensive...China will be the next place to "do business". Once China is deemedtoo expensive... the workload will just pass on to the next 3rdworld country... and the cycle keeps on going.per year....... in India. Of course you have to be fully trained..and have all the appropriate University degree's. If you don't likeit after a while.... you can always just cross the street... andthe crime and divorce rates keep going up. |
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Re: AL80-A
Harold Mandel
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHey, I just ran into someone actually doing some real R&D: ? ? People are starting to marry monomolecular noble-metal colloids to photovoltaic-responding isomers. ? WOW! ? Cheap solar electricity! ? I can¡¯t wait. ? Hal ? From:
ham_amplifiers@... [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...] On Behalf Of FRANCIS CARCIA ? Yes, but
where do you get R&D money without production income?
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FRANCIS CARCIA
Yes, but where do you get R&D money without production income?
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FRANCIS CARCIA
Mr. Bonner I totally agree and share your views. They won't boycott us until they suck us dry. Just look at the exchange rate with the euro this past year. We have become a nation of consumers because the good paying factory jobs are going away so we can become a nation of pill popping idiots playing video games. as Di Vinci said "most people are consumers of food and producers of waste" Someone is taking this country apart one buck at a time and I would like to hang him on the mall. I don't feel sorry for the idiots who can't see this and hope they are effected first! BTW conservative in my view is no credit card balance. "Robert B. Bonner" wrote:
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