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Hello,
could you please explain to a person who knows very little about VM/CMS (that's me, the person!) what in VM/370 CE allows to bypass the change TOD request and the start type warm|ckpt|... ?
If it's too long to write here could you direct me to the right documentation?
Thanks
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Marco
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Marco,
It will be a CP fix, but I can't figure out which..
Dave
On 06/02/2025 16:14, M Verpelli via
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Hello,
could you please explain to a person who knows very little about
VM/CMS (that's me, the person!) what in VM/370 CE allows to
bypass the change TOD request and the start type warm|ckpt|... ?
If it's too long to write here could you direct me to the right
documentation?
Thanks
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Marco
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On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 03:02 AM, Dave Wade wrote:
It will be a CP fix, but I can't figure out which..
Could it be DMKCPI HRC036DK on MAINT minidisk 094?
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Rene FERLAND, Montreal
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Would that be, in a world of turkeys, a user mod? That would explain why I have not been able to find any mention of it in the manuals available on bitsaver.
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Marco
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On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 03:55 AM, M Verpelli wrote:
Would that be, in a world of turkeys, a user mod?
If DMKCPI HRC036DK is the guilty party, then yes it is a modification from the Hercules community, like (I believe) everything on MAINT minidisk 094.
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Cheers,
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Rene FERLAND, Montreal
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On 07/02/2025 11:54, René Ferland via
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On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 03:02 AM, Dave Wade wrote:
It will be a CP fix, but I can't figure out which..
Could it be DMKCPI HRC036DK on MAINT minidisk 094?
That looks correct.
Just for info log on to maint, do "VMSETUP CP" and there is a MEMO
file for each mod on the "F" disk.
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Rene FERLAND, Montreal
Dave
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NO!
You are the culprit, without your video about RCSC I would not have put my nose in things I should never have touched.
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Changing in
DMKSYS ASSEMBLE
the line
SYSIPL SYSTYPE=WARM
to
SYSIPL SYSTYPE=
I got what I asked for
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Thanks to all
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Marco
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Marco,
yes, logon to maint, do "VMSETUP CP' and "HRCMODS MEMO" lists the
user mods for CP. There is a <modnumber> MEMO file for each
mod on that disk.
"VMSETUP CMS" will get the "HRCMODS MEMO" file accessed. For some
reason the CMS memo files are "MEMO <modnumber> F
.. actually the CMS way makes more sense
Dave
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Would that be, in a world of turkeys, a user mod? That would explain why I have not been able to find any mention of it in the manuals available on bitsaver.
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Marco
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On Thu, Feb 6, 2025 at 10:14 AM, M Verpelli wrote:
could you please explain to a person who knows very little about VM/CMS (that's me, the person!) what in VM/370 CE allows to bypass the change TOD request and the start type warm|ckpt|... ?
If it's too long to write here could you direct me to the right documentation?
I believe your problem is related to how you do (or don't) shut down VM. If the warm start data is not saved, then you will get both a TOD and SPOOL question at the next IPL.
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If you have an OPERATOR console open on say 010, enter the command "CP SHUTDOWN" and press enter.
If you don't, then look for your Hercules console, and enter "/CP SHUTDOWN" and press enter.
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In either case enter the following in the Hercules console. This isn't absolutely necessary, but the MVS guys do it and it doesn't hurt to do it for VM.
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STOPALL
SYSCLEAR
QUIT
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Let me know if this is unclear, or doesn't help.
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On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 05:55 AM, M Verpelli wrote:
Would that be, in a world of turkeys, a user mod? That would explain why I have not been able to find any mention of it in the manuals available on bitsaver.
You may want to read MAINT MEMO on MAINT 5E5.
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You may also want to read Melinda Varian's "What Mother Never Told You About VM Service (1983)."
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The whole story:
I watched Prof. Ferland's video, with difficulty because I'm better at reading than watching a movie.
My goal was to define three lines, one towards TK4-, the second towards HMVS (Jay Moseley's system) and the last one for an RJE station.
So I started looking in the documentation and I saw in the sysgen manual that normally in the first phases of the IPL it asked for the time and type of start. Something I had never seen with the VM/370 CE.
As I said, I couldn't find a refernce in the online manuals and I had to ask.
I always use SHUTDOWN and every reboot of VM was automatically done without any request.
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Marco
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In either case enter the following in the Hercules console. This isn't absolutely necessary, but the MVS guys do it and it doesn't hurt to do it for VM.
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STOPALL
SYSCLEAR
QUIT
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Let me know if this is unclear, or doesn't help.
Hello,
How do the above Hercules commands compare to the EXIT command after doing a CP SHUTDOWN?
Thank you,
Bertram Moshier WB8ERT
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On Sat, Feb 8, 2025 at 02:44 AM, Bertram Moshier wrote:
Hello,
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How do the above Hercules commands compare to the EXIT command after doing a CP SHUTDOWN?
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Thank you,
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Bertram Moshier
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From
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stopall Stop all CPU's
sysclear *System Clear Reset manual operation
quit *Terminate the emulato
exit (Synonym for 'quit')
(*) Enter "help <command>" for more info.
The above commands are found in the scripts for MVS TK4- and its updates, as well as TK5 and its updates.
"If it's good enough for MVS, it's good enough for VM." <tm> :-)
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"If it's good enough for MVS, it's good enough for VM." <tm> :-)
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VM: Vicious mother, herself MVS:? Mother's Vicious son, actual.
...Bertram M. WB8ERT?
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On 19/02/2025 02:17, Mark A. Stevens
via groups.io wrote:
On Sat, Feb 8, 2025 at 02:44 AM, Bertram Moshier wrote:
Hello,
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How do the above Hercules commands compare to the EXIT
command after doing a CP SHUTDOWN?
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Thank you,
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Bertram Moshier
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From
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stopall Stop all CPU's
sysclear *System Clear Reset manual operation
quit *Terminate the emulato
exit (Synonym for 'quit')
(*) Enter "help <command>" for more info.
The above commands are found in the scripts for MVS TK4- and its
updates, as well as TK5 and its updates.
"If it's good enough for MVS, it's good enough for VM."
<tm> :-)
No need on VM. "CP Shutdown" is fine.
MVS --> Man Versus System
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Dave
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M Verpelli
René Ferland
Mark A. Stevens