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Group Notification #6500 The following items have been added to the Files area of the [email protected] group. /IBMDocs.zip By: René Ferland <ferland.rene@...> Description: Yet another program (by Jean-Pierre Cabanié) that convert the JSON file of Jon Templin to a HTML file. The HTML output is included in the ZIP.
Fish Fish All Messages By This Member #6501 [...] By: René Ferland <ferland.rene@...> Description: Yet another program (by Jean-Pierre Cabanié) that convert the JSON file of Jon Templin to a HTML file. The HTML output is included in the ZIP. PERFECT! THANK YOU, René! -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@...
Andre All Messages By This Member #6502 I have a strange question, but maybe someone here knows the answer. What program IBM used in 1970s and 1980s to prepare, format and typeset those docs?? I know that UNIX crowd usually used something like TROFF or NROFF, then TeX. But I doubt that IBM didn't have their own software for this task. ? Best wishes, Andre
Ross Patterson All Messages By This Member #6503 On Sun, Mar 30, 2025 at 2:39?PM Andre via <procritic=[email protected]> wrote: What program IBM used in 1970s and 1980s to prepare, format and typeset those docs?? I know that UNIX crowd usually used something like TROFF or NROFF, then TeX. But I doubt that IBM didn't have their own software for this task. IBM did indeed have its own software for this task.? And it made it available to their customers, for a fee, of course.? The core was the IBM "SCRIPT" product,?sold under several names,?but most-lately "Document Composition Facility" (DCF).?? SCRIPT was inspired by the ur-formatter, RUNOFF[1], which ran on MIT's Compatible Time Sharing System (CTSS), and goes back to the late 1960s.? Soon afterward, some IBM'ers built a set of SCRIPT macros and a pre-processor to support writing documents in Generalized Markup Language[2].? IBM released that work as the "GML Starter Set" for SCRIPT/VS.? Internally, it continued to develop the markup language and came up with what was eventually?released to customers as "BookMaster", a fully-fledged book composition and formatting system.? The ".BOO" files that we've been discussing were produced as one form of BookManager output (it could also do text-only, fully-typeset, etc.).? IBM also released a set of programs that read those files, called "BookManager", and even a free version called "IBM Library Reader" for OS/2 and Windows, that could read documents specially "stamped" for it. In the 1990s, as HTML[3] took off, Gary Richtmeyer, of IBM and later AT&T, wrote "B2H", a BookMaster-to-HTML converter that did a great job of putting BookMaster books on the web (from the source form, not the .BOO files).? That code was released freely and runs today just fine on VM/SP and later (I haven't tried it on VM/370 yet), OS/2, Windows, Linux (and other unices), and MVS (and presumably z/OS). Ross [1] RUNOFF was also the inspiration for roff,?the original Unix formatter. [2] GML was the inspiration for XML. [3] GML was also the inspiration for HTML.
Andre All Messages By This Member #6504 Thank you, Ross! Very interesting info. Is there SCRIPT/VS foreground processor for MVS 3.8 or VM/370 by any chance? ? Best wishes, Andre
René Ferland All Messages By This Member #6505 On Sun, Mar 30, 2025 at 12:30 PM, Andre wrote: Is there SCRIPT/VS foreground processor for MVS 3.8 or VM/370 by any chance? ? ? Waterloo SCRIPT is available on VM/370 CE, type "help script". The manual is in SCRIPT LISTING U. ? Cheers, ? Rene FERLAND, Montreal ? P.S. -- I remember using SCRIPT on MUSIC/SP for course material when I taught Fortran and SAS back in 1982.
Andre All Messages By This Member #6506 On Sun, Mar 30, 2025 at 10:35 PM, René Ferland wrote: ? Waterloo SCRIPT is available on VM/370 CE, type "help script". The manual is in SCRIPT LISTING U. ? Cheers, ? Rene FERLAND, Montreal ? P.S. -- I remember using SCRIPT on MUSIC/SP for course material when I taught Fortran and SAS back in 1982. Wow!! This is so cool! I will definitely try it out! ? Thanks, Rene!
Jean-Pierre Cabanié All Messages By This Member #6507 开云体育 I'm really sorry, but a typo in the program missing.lua made some entries undetected and hence the html output René Ferland uploaded for me a few days ago was not 100% correct.? I'm currently working on a new set of tools that will (I hope) not only be bug-free but produce a better looking html output (a table instead of a list). Please accept my most sincere apologies for this poor contribution. Jean-Pierre Cabanié (a bit ashamed) Le 30/03/2025 à 21:57, Andre via groups.io a écrit?: On Sun, Mar 30, 2025 at 10:35 PM, René Ferland wrote: ? Waterloo SCRIPT is available on VM/370 CE, type "help script". The manual is in SCRIPT LISTING U. ? Cheers, ? Rene FERLAND, Montreal ? P.S. -- I remember using SCRIPT on MUSIC/SP for course material when I taught Fortran and SAS back in 1982. Wow!! This is so cool! I will definitely try it out! ? Thanks, Rene! -- Jπr
Jean-Pierre Cabanié All Messages By This Member #6510 开云体育 Alas, it was far from perfect. I've enhanced the results (finding out all the titles I could and doing my best for finding was hidden before 8 letters ones and then sort on the documents numbers and remove the duplicate entry. And as I'm not fully satisfied with the results, I thought that each of us would find a need for some improvement.? Formerly, I used the lua language (easy to handle bunches of line and providing a good json interface) I thought that it would be more suitable to use a language we all share : REXX.? My lua program generated a csv file (easily modifed, handled with libreoddice-calc like programs [who said Excel ?]? or a plain text editor where the url, the document number and the title on every document are on one line separated by a tab (x09) character. The csv2html file is just a way to transform the contents of the csv file into a table displayed by any web browser. It is not a state of the art program just a tool cvs2html ibmdocs.csv cat.html will produce a cat.html file identical to the catalog.html which is in the zip file. Warning The output file is not erased by the program. you may end up with a double size catalog, the new version of it being at the end of the file. (it is also a way to have a table with the MVS entries, then one with VM, JES, JES2, JES3 ... Just keep the imbdocs.csv file in a safe place and do whatever you wish . Enjoy ! Tanks again for the deep knowledge you make available for everybody Jean-Pierre Cabanié ? Le 30/03/2025 à 05:21, Fish Fish via groups.io a écrit?: PERFECT! THANK YOU, René! -- Jπr
Stefan A. Haubenthal All Messages By This Member #6511 Hi Jean-Pierre, Just two hints: #!/usr/bin/env rexx makes your script more portable Do l = 1 while lines(csvFile) > 0 is a short form of your condition -- VM/370 CE V1R1.2, Hercules 3.13 on macOS
Jean-Pierre Cabanié All Messages By This Member #6512 开云体育 Hi Stefan,? Thanks for the hints. I used Rexx a lot (since VM/SP3 on a 4341 to the abandon of OS/2) [Then I switched to Java in order to avoid Windows even if my shop was using it) and since my retirement, I have played with lua (quite nice) so my rexx skills are quite rusted. My discovery of Hercules and the ability (mailny due to René Ferland so kind help) of having a vm-esa working machine will certainly help me in re-mastering language. Thanks again. have a nice day Jean-Pierre Le 03/04/2025 à 14:52, Stefan A. Haubenthal via groups.io a écrit?: Hi Jean-Pierre, Just two hints: #!/usr/bin/env rexx makes your script more portable Do l = 1 while lines(csvFile) > 0 is a short form of your condition -- VM/370 CE V1R1.2, Hercules 3.13 on macOS -- Jπr

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