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gave up and bought a edu windows computer /// Re: FT817 and iPad??
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Timely … I just purchased the 128GB version of that education/rugged laptop for exactly that application: POTA and portable operation with my FT-817 and BitX-based home-brew rig.?
I purchased mine from Microcenter:?
All the windows HR software installed easily (as expected) … I also have the Arduino IDE as well as the latest Python distributions installed … plenty of room and reasonable performance. ?Spyder, a computational sciences/scientific application focused cross-platform IDE is a little slow to start, but once going has reasonable performance. ?N1MM+ works great too.?
My laptop also included a free upgrade to Windows 11, that also installed easily. ?
So, why? ?I wasn’t happy with using my RaspberryPi for portable ops … was a little kludgy with the VNCapp on my iPad etc … a cheap windows computer just seemed easier and more compact. ?Also, my objective was low friction portable operations, not exploring linux, using a RPi, etc. ?So after a bit of playing around with the RPi option, snagged the laptop when I saw it.?
?The little edu laptop works just as well with the FT-817 as my desktop Win 10 machine in the shack does with my shack radios. ?Compared to the RPi, a lot less to tinker with to get out of the backpack and on the air portable as well. ?Again, this is all about your preference …?
NB: I’ve not used the laptop yet with my homemade opto interface to my homebrew rig, but assume is should work fine as well. ?
Most of all, have fun! Don N4RRT -- 73, Don N4RRT
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All Windows gurus I know won't put Win 11 in anything. Two reasons: 1) causes incompatibilities with many major SW packages, forcing purchases of new SW, and 2) not yet bug-free and won't be until out for several years. I recommend that you go back to Win 10 ASAP. Has no known benefit over Win 10 and known liabilities.
On Mon, Feb 6, 2023, 8:26 AM Don N4RRT < n4rrt@...> wrote: Timely … I just purchased the 128GB version of that education/rugged laptop for exactly that application: POTA and portable operation with my FT-817 and BitX-based home-brew rig.?
I purchased mine from Microcenter:?
All the windows HR software installed easily (as expected) … I also have the Arduino IDE as well as the latest Python distributions installed … plenty of room and reasonable performance.? Spyder, a computational sciences/scientific application focused cross-platform IDE is a little slow to start, but once going has reasonable performance.? N1MM+ works great too.?
My laptop also included a free upgrade to Windows 11, that also installed easily. ?
So, why?? I wasn’t happy with using my RaspberryPi for portable ops … was a little kludgy with the VNCapp on my iPad etc … a cheap windows computer just seemed easier and more compact.? Also, my objective was low friction portable operations, not exploring linux, using a RPi, etc.? So after a bit of playing around with the RPi option, snagged the laptop when I saw it.?
?The little edu laptop works just as well with the FT-817 as my desktop Win 10 machine in the shack does with my shack radios.? Compared to the RPi, a lot less to tinker with to get out of the backpack and on the air portable as well.? Again, this is all about your preference …?
NB: I’ve not used the laptop yet with my homemade opto interface to my homebrew rig, but assume is should work fine as well. ?
Most of all, have fun! Don N4RRT
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73,
Don
N4RRT
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I can completely agree with not using Windows 11. I am running a Microsoft Surface with the beta version of 11. The last update the OS broke about half of my programs. I know what you are thinking about beta software but in all of the time I have been a tester for Microsoft I have never seen such a software package so full of bugs.? Robin Kidd? W4IEN EM73vx w4ien@...
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On Feb 6, 2023, at 09:18, Chuck Cole K4TZO <cncole@...> wrote:
? All Windows gurus I know won't put Win 11 in anything. Two reasons: 1) causes incompatibilities with many major SW packages, forcing purchases of new SW, and 2) not yet bug-free and won't be until out for several years. I recommend that you go back to Win 10 ASAP. Has no known benefit over Win 10 and known liabilities.
On Mon, Feb 6, 2023, 8:26 AM Don N4RRT < n4rrt@...> wrote: Timely … I just purchased the 128GB version of that education/rugged laptop for exactly that application: POTA and portable operation with my FT-817 and BitX-based home-brew rig.?
I purchased mine from Microcenter:?
All the windows HR software installed easily (as expected) … I also have the Arduino IDE as well as the latest Python distributions installed … plenty of room and reasonable performance.? Spyder, a computational sciences/scientific application focused cross-platform IDE is a little slow to start, but once going has reasonable performance.? N1MM+ works great too.?
My laptop also included a free upgrade to Windows 11, that also installed easily. ?
So, why?? I wasn’t happy with using my RaspberryPi for portable ops … was a little kludgy with the VNCapp on my iPad etc … a cheap windows computer just seemed easier and more compact.? Also, my objective was low friction portable operations, not exploring linux, using a RPi, etc.? So after a bit of playing around with the RPi option, snagged the laptop when I saw it.?
?The little edu laptop works just as well with the FT-817 as my desktop Win 10 machine in the shack does with my shack radios.? Compared to the RPi, a lot less to tinker with to get out of the backpack and on the air portable as well.? Again, this is all about your preference …?
NB: I’ve not used the laptop yet with my homemade opto interface to my homebrew rig, but assume is should work fine as well. ?
Most of all, have fun! Don N4RRT
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73,
Don
N4RRT
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There are 10s of millions of windows 11 users, but there are not 10s of millions of people complaining about problems with windows 11, why is that? Because people expect it to work fine, and when it does they rarely post or brag about it online. But if one person runs into a problem, they post about it and everyone that reads their complaint goes out and spreads that one incident as if it happened to them. (This was in full-effect when Icom had an issue with a batch of displays in their IC-7610. The actual percentage of units with the display issue was very low, but based on web reports you'd think the issue impacted 100% of units and people that were never in the market for a $2,500 radio suddenly took to the web to slam Icom and declare they would never buy an IC-7610.)
Every day major computer manufacturers ship thousands and thousands of Win11 devices, and sure, some corporate users will downgrade to win10, but the vast, vast majority stick with Win11 and they never feel the need to post "Win11 works great here!" Comments, unless the anti-Win11 FUD gets too loud, then they make a post like Ron, N4RRT did, noting zero issues in their personal experience.
Choosing to stick with Win10 is fine, it's still an actively-supported OS and will be for two more years. I personally know of no reason to upgrade besides wanting to have the latest/greatest, most up-to-date OS out there. (I've yet to see an application that required Win11, but to be honest I haven't really been looking for one either.)
A previous commenter mentioned incompatibilities with "major software" - I'm curious what specific software packages those are? I've had no issues with anything I've tried to run - radio programming software, digital mode software, ham radio suites, remote control software, and open source office suites. The only software I imagine would have issues would be software that was written for Windows XP and ran well up thru Win 7/10, but struggle with Win11 due to support being dropped for certain libraries or being targeted for a specific Windows OS level to fix a certain issue.
My personal 'stress test' for Windows 11 compatibility was installing Quicken 2014 on a new club laptop - it installed (from CD-ROM!) and is working perfectly.
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I am serious, I would be interested in hearing what major software packages are incompatible with Win11, but perhaps it would be best to continue this thread direct, off-list.
And Beta Testers finding issues is to be expected - beta testers choose to be exposed to software that the developers themselves don't feel is production-ready, that's why they have a Beta program.
Sorry to take this thread so far off-topic,
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I can completely agree with not using Windows 11. I am running a Microsoft Surface with the beta version of 11. The last update the OS broke about half of my programs. I know what you are thinking about beta software but in all of the time I have been a tester for Microsoft I have never seen such a software package so full of bugs.?
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On Feb 6, 2023, at 09:18, Chuck Cole K4TZO <cncole@...> wrote:
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All Windows gurus I know won't put Win 11 in anything. Two reasons: 1) causes incompatibilities with many major SW packages, forcing purchases of new SW, and 2) not yet bug-free and won't be until out for several years. I recommend that you go back to Win 10 ASAP. Has no known benefit over Win 10 and known liabilities.
On Mon, Feb 6, 2023, 8:26 AM Don N4RRT <
n4rrt@...> wrote:
Timely … I just purchased the 128GB version of that education/rugged laptop for exactly that application: POTA and portable operation with my FT-817 and BitX-based home-brew rig.?
I purchased mine from Microcenter:?
All the windows HR software installed easily (as expected) … I also have the Arduino IDE as well as the latest Python distributions installed … plenty of room and reasonable performance.? Spyder, a computational sciences/scientific application focused cross-platform IDE is a little slow to start, but once going has reasonable performance.? N1MM+ works great too.?
My laptop also included a free upgrade to Windows 11, that also installed easily. ?
So, why?? I wasn’t happy with using my RaspberryPi for portable ops … was a little kludgy with the VNCapp on my iPad etc … a cheap windows computer just seemed easier and more compact.? Also, my objective was low friction portable operations, not exploring linux, using a RPi, etc.? So after a bit of playing around with the RPi option, snagged the laptop when I saw it.?
?The little edu laptop works just as well with the FT-817 as my desktop Win 10 machine in the shack does with my shack radios.? Compared to the RPi, a lot less to tinker with to get out of the backpack and on the air portable as well.? Again, this is all about your preference …?
NB: I’ve not used the laptop yet with my homemade opto interface to my homebrew rig, but assume is should work fine as well. ?
Most of all, have fun!
Don
N4RRT
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73,
Don
N4RRT
Beta test instances are not guaranteed to work well. Sure, be a beta tester. But have another computer running a stable release. You can't complain when a beta test machine has issues - that's the process you signed up for - you should? report the issue to the developers.?
Unless it is job related, why not switch?to a released version of the OS for your Surface? My XYL has stuff from her employment on a Surface, and wow it is damn good (and $$$).
On Mon, Feb 6, 2023 at 10:21 AM Robin Kidd < w4ien@...> wrote: I can completely agree with not using Windows 11. I am running a Microsoft Surface with the beta version of 11. The last update the OS broke about half of my programs. I know what you are thinking about beta software but in all of the time I have been a tester for Microsoft I have never seen such a software package so full of bugs.? On Feb 6, 2023, at 09:18, Chuck Cole K4TZO <cncole@...> wrote:
? All Windows gurus I know won't put Win 11 in anything. Two reasons: 1) causes incompatibilities with many major SW packages, forcing purchases of new SW, and 2) not yet bug-free and won't be until out for several years. I recommend that you go back to Win 10 ASAP. Has no known benefit over Win 10 and known liabilities.
On Mon, Feb 6, 2023, 8:26 AM Don N4RRT < n4rrt@...> wrote: Timely … I just purchased the 128GB version of that education/rugged laptop for exactly that application: POTA and portable operation with my FT-817 and BitX-based home-brew rig.?
I purchased mine from Microcenter:?
All the windows HR software installed easily (as expected) … I also have the Arduino IDE as well as the latest Python distributions installed … plenty of room and reasonable performance.? Spyder, a computational sciences/scientific application focused cross-platform IDE is a little slow to start, but once going has reasonable performance.? N1MM+ works great too.?
My laptop also included a free upgrade to Windows 11, that also installed easily. ?
So, why?? I wasn’t happy with using my RaspberryPi for portable ops … was a little kludgy with the VNCapp on my iPad etc … a cheap windows computer just seemed easier and more compact.? Also, my objective was low friction portable operations, not exploring linux, using a RPi, etc.? So after a bit of playing around with the RPi option, snagged the laptop when I saw it.?
?The little edu laptop works just as well with the FT-817 as my desktop Win 10 machine in the shack does with my shack radios.? Compared to the RPi, a lot less to tinker with to get out of the backpack and on the air portable as well.? Again, this is all about your preference …?
NB: I’ve not used the laptop yet with my homemade opto interface to my homebrew rig, but assume is should work fine as well. ?
Most of all, have fun! Don N4RRT
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73,
Don
N4RRT
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On 2023-02-06 05:25, Don N4RRT wrote: Timely … I just purchased the 128GB version of that education/rugged
laptop for exactly that application: POTA and portable operation with
my FT-817 and BitX-based home-brew rig.
I purchased mine from Microcenter:
All the windows HR software installed easily (as expected) … I also
have the Arduino IDE as well as the latest Python distributions
installed … plenty of room and reasonable performance. Spyder, a
computational sciences/scientific application focused cross-platform
IDE is a little slow to start, but once going has reasonable
performance. N1MM+ works great too. snips The little edu laptop works just as well with the FT-817 as my
desktop Win 10 machine in the shack does with my shack radios. NB: I’ve not used the laptop yet with my homemade opto interface to
my homebrew rig, but assume is should work fine as well.
Most of all, have fun! 73,
Don
N4RRT Fine timing indeed Don. I have a BR1100, picked up during the Boxing Day ("Week") sales here. Not done much with it yet, however the same philosophy has gone in to the selection. Now hoping to find a 12 / 13.8 VDC to USB C type charger for it, and perhaps a "power bank" that will handle a notebook top-up charge / bridging bit of operating time, if needed. My included AC charger is USB-C and one of the few new-to-me tidbits in the Quick Start pamphlet in the box was an entreaty to ensure one had 15 VDC / 3A for the charging. Comforting to hear it works well with the FT-817. One thing I recently learnt was how to shut off the "Required Diagnostic" reporting, along with the Optional muck. Possible as it's a Win 10 Pro Edu OS build. Gives more flexibility over Home. It apparently ships without Cortana as well! Oh happy day. Now to remove MyAsus. blech Please do report on the function with the homebrew rig when trialled. 73, John -- J. D. Erskine VE7MHI VA7OTC CN88hk Victoria, BC
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I went back to W10 on my netbook. Microsoft ever had a bad first version of its OS. Remember w3.0, W95, W ME, W8... Better would be avoid Windows but up to now the SW for ham has been developed for it. Apple is not the solution: is the full opposite to open source.
Il lun 6 feb 2023, 16:21 Robin Kidd < w4ien@...> ha scritto: I can completely agree with not using Windows 11. I am running a Microsoft Surface with the beta version of 11. The last update the OS broke about half of my programs. I know what you are thinking about beta software but in all of the time I have been a tester for Microsoft I have never seen such a software package so full of bugs.? On Feb 6, 2023, at 09:18, Chuck Cole K4TZO <cncole@...> wrote:
? All Windows gurus I know won't put Win 11 in anything. Two reasons: 1) causes incompatibilities with many major SW packages, forcing purchases of new SW, and 2) not yet bug-free and won't be until out for several years. I recommend that you go back to Win 10 ASAP. Has no known benefit over Win 10 and known liabilities.
On Mon, Feb 6, 2023, 8:26 AM Don N4RRT < n4rrt@...> wrote: Timely … I just purchased the 128GB version of that education/rugged laptop for exactly that application: POTA and portable operation with my FT-817 and BitX-based home-brew rig.?
I purchased mine from Microcenter:?
All the windows HR software installed easily (as expected) … I also have the Arduino IDE as well as the latest Python distributions installed … plenty of room and reasonable performance.? Spyder, a computational sciences/scientific application focused cross-platform IDE is a little slow to start, but once going has reasonable performance.? N1MM+ works great too.?
My laptop also included a free upgrade to Windows 11, that also installed easily. ?
So, why?? I wasn’t happy with using my RaspberryPi for portable ops … was a little kludgy with the VNCapp on my iPad etc … a cheap windows computer just seemed easier and more compact.? Also, my objective was low friction portable operations, not exploring linux, using a RPi, etc.? So after a bit of playing around with the RPi option, snagged the laptop when I saw it.?
?The little edu laptop works just as well with the FT-817 as my desktop Win 10 machine in the shack does with my shack radios.? Compared to the RPi, a lot less to tinker with to get out of the backpack and on the air portable as well.? Again, this is all about your preference …?
NB: I’ve not used the laptop yet with my homemade opto interface to my homebrew rig, but assume is should work fine as well. ?
Most of all, have fun! Don N4RRT
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73,
Don
N4RRT
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Agree on HR SW for windows, but MS is not open source either. As a matter of fact, some of the core Apple software (Darwin) is open source.?
But none of that matters. A platform that runs the software one needs reliably does.?
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You are absolutely?right Chuck Cole.
On Mon, Feb 6, 2023, 9:18 AM Chuck Cole K4TZO < cncole@...> wrote: All Windows gurus I know won't put Win 11 in anything. Two reasons: 1) causes incompatibilities with many major SW packages, forcing purchases of new SW, and 2) not yet bug-free and won't be until out for several years. I recommend that you go back to Win 10 ASAP. Has no known benefit over Win 10 and known liabilities.
On Mon, Feb 6, 2023, 8:26 AM Don N4RRT < n4rrt@...> wrote: Timely … I just purchased the 128GB version of that education/rugged laptop for exactly that application: POTA and portable operation with my FT-817 and BitX-based home-brew rig.?
I purchased mine from Microcenter:?
All the windows HR software installed easily (as expected) … I also have the Arduino IDE as well as the latest Python distributions installed … plenty of room and reasonable performance.? Spyder, a computational sciences/scientific application focused cross-platform IDE is a little slow to start, but once going has reasonable performance.? N1MM+ works great too.?
My laptop also included a free upgrade to Windows 11, that also installed easily. ?
So, why?? I wasn’t happy with using my RaspberryPi for portable ops … was a little kludgy with the VNCapp on my iPad etc … a cheap windows computer just seemed easier and more compact.? Also, my objective was low friction portable operations, not exploring linux, using a RPi, etc.? So after a bit of playing around with the RPi option, snagged the laptop when I saw it.?
?The little edu laptop works just as well with the FT-817 as my desktop Win 10 machine in the shack does with my shack radios.? Compared to the RPi, a lot less to tinker with to get out of the backpack and on the air portable as well.? Again, this is all about your preference …?
NB: I’ve not used the laptop yet with my homemade opto interface to my homebrew rig, but assume is should work fine as well. ?
Most of all, have fun! Don N4RRT
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73,
Don
N4RRT
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