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FT-818ND new UHF filter performance?


Simon Gale
 

Hi, I'm considering purchase of a FT-818ND but have some concerns about the UHF performance of the 818 compared to the 817 and would be grateful if anyone has experience of the 818 70cms performance, particularly image rejection.

The original 817 had a 3 section helical RF filter for 70cms but it looks like this has been replaced with a two section(?) lumped element filter as seen from the photos in http://radioaficion.com/cms/ft-818-review-and-disassemble/.?? If anyone has seen the schematic I would be interested to know any more details of the new filter arrangement. ?

The 817 looked to meet or well exceed the 70cms image rejection spec of 60dB, however the recent review in the Jan QST reported only 38dB for this on the 818 sample they measured (https://static.dxengineering.com/global/images/technicalarticles/ysu-ft-818_gi.pdf).? Perhaps the filter was misaligned in this test sample?

Any feedback much appreciated as 70cms is important to me and only 38dB of image rejection is not wonderful.

Many thanks

Simon

M0AZR

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I had my FT-818 running for a couple of hours on CW/SSB in the 432 MHz Spring Sprint recently.? I was portable in a hilltop park with an 11 element horizontally polarized Yagi.? All went fine, but I did notice a number of narrow-band digital-sounding non-amateur signals which I don't recall hearing before at that location with my old Microwave modules transverter and a rather broad bandpass filter.? There was no RF source outside my car for a couple of hundred metres, but several radio towers line-of-site within 2 km, and several small cities, also line-of-sight, at greater distances.? The car is a new one since I last operated there on 432, as well...so that's another uncontrolled RFI factor.

I don't know if those signals were in-band spurious emissions or if, as you suggest, they could have been on image? (or other out-of-band) frequencies.? It would be an interesting experiment to try a bandpass filter at that site and see if those signals disappear.? Unfortunately I don't own a good one for 432 MHz.

Thanks for pointing out the image rejection issue...perhaps I should invest in a better bandpass filter if I plan to use the '818 for more serious endeavours on 70 cm.

73,
Steve VE3SMA


Mike Olbrisch
 

This is interesting. I’ve often said YAESU should not make the new FT-817 (now FT-818 I guess) into another scanner. We don’t need a worked all pagers award. What we need is tight filtering for weak signal work without intermod creeping in. The FT-817ND could be better, but wasn’t too bad as it was.



So it sounds like they left the 2m section alone (not great, but not as bad as it could be), but made the 70cm band worse. Too bad. It seems like every other radio out there has a V/UHF front end as broad as a barn door. The 817ND was one of the few not plagued too badly with RX issues.



I look forward to hearing more about the 818. And I may want to pick up a third clean FT-817ND if the 818 does have a weaker front end on 70cm. I don’t need a stinkin scanner, but I do value the 817 for what it is, a very nice weak signal radio for hilltops and rover operations.



Vy73 - Mike - KD5KC.

El Paso, Texas - DM61rt.

SOTA W5T-Texas Association Manager.

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I had my FT-818 running for a couple of hours on CW/SSB in the 432 MHz Spring Sprint recently. I was portable in a hilltop park with an 11 element horizontally polarized Yagi. All went fine, but I did notice a number of narrow-band digital-sounding non-amateur signals which I don't recall hearing before at that location with my old Microwave modules transverter and a rather broad bandpass filter. There was no RF source outside my car for a couple of hundred metres, but several radio towers line-of-site within 2 km, and several small cities, also line-of-sight, at greater distances. The car is a new one since I last operated there on 432, as well...so that's another uncontrolled RFI factor.



I don't know if those signals were in-band spurious emissions or if, as you suggest, they could have been on image (or other out-of-band) frequencies. It would be an interesting experiment to try a bandpass filter at that site and see if those signals disappear. Unfortunately I don't own a good one for 432 MHz.



Thanks for pointing out the image rejection issue...perhaps I should invest in a better bandpass filter if I plan to use the '818 for more serious endeavours on 70 cm.



73,

Steve VE3SMA


 

FYI

HobbyPCB makes low-cost filters for the 144, 220 and 440MHz bands. They aren't anywhere near as high performance as the OCI cavity filters but they are only $20 each, handle 10W, have low insertion loss and can greatly improve the FT-818's ability to reject out-of-band signals.


73,
Jim WA2EUJ