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Check out the video of the FTX-1F.
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Looks pretty cool but a lot more expensive than just a microphone. Maby some day..?
On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 09:11:15 AM PDT, Bob AF9W <af9w@...> wrote:
Check out the video of the FTX-1F.
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It's a 5 minute video of a man reading a web page describing a product he's never seen...
Thanks, but... it's like an unboxing video, except the podcaster doesn't have the radio in front of them to actually 'unbox'
I can predict the complaints already:
- power consumption (9 hours in 6 min transmit, 6 min receive, 48 min standby hours, so the battery is good for 1 hour (continuous) transmit, one hour receive, and seven hours squelched/muted standby?)
- active cooling availability hints strongly at overheating issues
- price - I think we're looking at a $1,500-$1,700 list price radio here... (comparable to IC-705 at $1,350)
This so-called "FT-817/818 replacement" really looks more like a low-power FT-991a with a battery pack & second receiver - all good, but not really a $700 FT-818 replacement.
We'll see how it plays out as we approach its "early 2025" release date.
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On Aug 23, 2024, at 11:11, Bob AF9W <af9w@...> wrote:
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It might be fun to have a pool on dimensions and weight, especially given that as near as I can tell the depth of the radio can’t be inferred from the size of the display in the pic, as height and width can.
I won’t complain without seeing one, and as a sometimes traveling satellite guy, I’d pay too much for that feature. ?
But I’m ?guessing maybe near a couple kilos with a fan and tuner and battery, and that’s quite a bit.
But happy to see something’s coming!
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On Aug 23, 2024, at 1:39?PM, Ken N2VIP <ken@...> wrote:
? It's a 5 minute video of a man reading a web page describing a product he's never seen...
Thanks, but... it's like an unboxing video, except the podcaster doesn't have the radio in front of them to actually 'unbox'
I can predict the complaints already:
- power consumption (9 hours in 6 min transmit, 6 min receive, 48 min standby hours, so the battery is good for 1 hour (continuous) transmit, one hour receive, and seven hours squelched/muted standby?)
- active cooling availability hints strongly at overheating issues
- price - I think we're looking at a $1,500-$1,700 list price radio here... (comparable to IC-705 at $1,350)
This so-called "FT-817/818 replacement" really looks more like a low-power FT-991a with a battery pack & second receiver - all good, but not really a $700 FT-818 replacement.
We'll see how it plays out as we approach its "early 2025" release date. Ken, N2VIP On Aug 23, 2024, at 11:11, Bob AF9W <af9w@...> wrote:
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I’m going to go out on a limb and say it looks like it is built in the FTM-500DR chassis and will be dimensionally identical.?
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On Aug 23, 2024, at 15:26, Scott McDonald via groups.io <Ka9p@...> wrote:
? It might be fun to have a pool on dimensions and weight, especially given that as near as I can tell the depth of the radio can’t be inferred from the size of the display in the pic, as height and width can.
I won’t complain without seeing one, and as a sometimes traveling satellite guy, I’d pay too much for that feature. ?
But I’m ?guessing maybe near a couple kilos with a fan and tuner and battery, and that’s quite a bit.
But happy to see something’s coming!
72 Ka9p On Aug 23, 2024, at 1:39?PM, Ken N2VIP <ken@...> wrote:
? It's a 5 minute video of a man reading a web page describing a product he's never seen...
Thanks, but... it's like an unboxing video, except the podcaster doesn't have the radio in front of them to actually 'unbox'
I can predict the complaints already:
- power consumption (9 hours in 6 min transmit, 6 min receive, 48 min standby hours, so the battery is good for 1 hour (continuous) transmit, one hour receive, and seven hours squelched/muted standby?)
- active cooling availability hints strongly at overheating issues
- price - I think we're looking at a $1,500-$1,700 list price radio here... (comparable to IC-705 at $1,350)
This so-called "FT-817/818 replacement" really looks more like a low-power FT-991a with a battery pack & second receiver - all good, but not really a $700 FT-818 replacement.
We'll see how it plays out as we approach its "early 2025" release date. Ken, N2VIP On Aug 23, 2024, at 11:11, Bob AF9W <af9w@...> wrote:
? Check out the video of the FTX-1F.
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Good to know if it's the same technology as it's predecessors (891, 991). Maybe just an external package upgrade and a colour display!?!?
I’m going to go out on a limb and say it looks like it is built in the FTM-500DR chassis and will be dimensionally identical.? ?It might be fun to have a pool on dimensions and weight, especially given that as near as I can tell the depth of the radio can’t be inferred from the size of the display in the pic, as height and width can.
I won’t complain without seeing one, and as a sometimes traveling satellite guy, I’d pay too much for that feature. ?
But I’m ?guessing maybe near a couple kilos with a fan and tuner and battery, and that’s quite a bit.
But happy to see something’s coming!
72 Ka9p On Aug 23, 2024, at 1:39?PM, Ken N2VIP <ken@...> wrote:
?It's a 5 minute video of a man reading a web page describing a product he's never seen...
Thanks, but... it's like an unboxing video, except the podcaster doesn't have the radio in front of them to actually 'unbox'
I can predict the complaints already:
- power consumption (9 hours in 6 min transmit, 6 min receive, 48 min standby hours, so the battery is good for 1 hour (continuous) transmit, one hour receive, and seven hours squelched/muted standby?)
- active cooling availability hints strongly at overheating issues
- price - I think we're looking at a $1,500-$1,700 list price radio here... (comparable to IC-705 at $1,350)
This so-called "FT-817/818 replacement" really looks more like a low-power FT-991a with a battery pack & second receiver - all good, but not really a $700 FT-818 replacement.
We'll see how it plays out as we approach its "early 2025" release date. Ken, N2VIP On Aug 23, 2024, at 11:11, Bob AF9W <af9w@...> wrote:
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It's an SDR radio, neither the 991a nor the 891 are SDRs, so not the same technology.
Ken, N2VIP
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On Aug 24, 2024, at 00:39, Richard Fenech <richard9h1rf@...> wrote:
Good to know if it's the same technology as it's predecessors (891, 991). Maybe just an external package upgrade and a colour display!?!?
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We’re an hour ahead of Tokyo and a day ahead of North American, so have
already seen some photos taken by attendees at the THF.
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It is a SDR, similar form factor to the the IC705 i.e it resembles a remote
head that belongs to another radio.
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It has a dual receiver and a large battery on the back, the battery can be
removed and a tuner clipped in it’s place, and if you need it, a fan module can
clip in where the battery was then the tuner can sit on top of the fan
unit.
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There is a strong “brand” look to it – aspects of the FTM500, FT991A and
FTDX10 make the unit look familiar to Yaesu users.
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I look forward to seeing it in the flesh and hearing what the new owners
have to report next year.
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73 Steve VK2ARS
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Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2024 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [ft817] FT-817 Replacement
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Good to know if it's the same technology as it's predecessors (891,
991). Maybe just an external package upgrade and a colour display!?!?
On Fri, 23 Aug 2024, 22:49 Kevin - K5KTM via ,
<Ktmullens@...> wrote:
I’m going to go out on a limb and say it looks like it is built in the
FTM-500DR chassis and will be dimensionally identical.?
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?It might be fun to have a pool on dimensions and weight,
especially given that as near as I can tell the depth of the radio can’t be
inferred from the size of the display in the pic, as height and width can.
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I won’t complain without seeing one, and as a sometimes traveling
satellite guy, I’d pay too much for that feature.?
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But I’m? guessing maybe near a couple kilos with a fan and tuner
and battery, and that’s quite a bit.
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But happy to see something’s coming!
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72 Ka9p
On Aug 23, 2024, at 1:39?PM, Ken N2VIP <ken@...>
wrote:
?It's a 5 minute video of a man reading a web page describing
a product he's never seen...
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Thanks, but... it's like an unboxing video, except the podcaster
doesn't have the radio in front of them to actually 'unbox'
?
I can predict the complaints already:
?
- power consumption (9 hours in 6 min transmit, 6 min receive, 48 min
standby hours, so the battery is good for 1 hour (continuous) transmit,
one hour receive, and seven hours squelched/muted standby?)
?
- active cooling availability hints strongly at overheating
issues
?
- price - I think we're looking at a $1,500-$1,700 list price radio
here... (comparable to IC-705 at $1,350)
?
This so-called "FT-817/818 replacement" really looks more like a
low-power FT-991a with a battery pack & second receiver - all good,
but not really a $700 FT-818 replacement.
?
We'll see how it plays out as we approach its "early 2025" release
date.
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Ken, N2VIP
On Aug 23, 2024, at 11:11, Bob AF9W <af9w@...>
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The 817 was $670 at its introduction in 2001, that's around $1200 today (). About the price of a midrange gaming computer.
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The FT-818 when it was discontinued in Dec of 2022 was much closer to the initial FT-817 price from 2001 of $670 that it is to $1,200 today.
I can't find hard numbers, but I think the FT-818 was always less than $750, but I could be mistaken.
Ken, N2VIP
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On Aug 24, 2024, at 06:57, Jeff <jcowall@...> wrote:
?The 817 was $670 at its introduction in 2001, that's around $1200 today (). About the price of a midrange gaming computer.
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I hope that it provides a transmitter-inhibit input pin, and band data.? It will be a great radio for my VHF/UHF/SHF Rover station.
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Too bad it does not have 222 MHz.? :-(
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I purchased my FT-818ND in February 2019 for 2840PLN (polish zloty). I cannot find what was the exact exchange ratio between PLN and USD, but it was about 4-4.5, so we have about $630-710, and additionally I used Yaesu 50 EUR cashback.
Jacek SP5OSF
W dniu 24.08.2024 o?16:00, Ken N2VIP pisze:
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The FT-818 when it was discontinued in Dec of 2022 was much closer to the initial FT-817 price from 2001 of $670 that it is to $1,200 today.
I can't find hard numbers, but I think the FT-818 was always less than $750, but I could be mistaken.
Ken, N2VIP
On Aug 24, 2024, at 06:57, Jeff <jcowall@...> wrote:
?The 817 was $670 at its introduction in 2001, that's around $1200 today (). About the price of a midrange gaming computer.
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Nor 70MHz for UK and a growing number of countries that allow 4m tx operation.
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My guess is that it will be priced below the Icom IC-705 because there is no WiFi, Bluetooth and GPS on board. It does however have FT-101 sdr architecture on-board. The Xiegu X-6200 is a bit cheaper, but has no VHF/UHF implemented. I have made a pre-order as my FT-817 is almost 20 years old, but has never let me down.
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73' Ron
ON2RON
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AE5X has posted some of the new FTX-1F that are very promising as to the radio's features (YMMV -- just my observations):
- A tuner/linear jack that is used to drive the optional automatic antenna tuner. ?If this is the same as mini din on the 817ND/818 this would provide a voltage encoded band data and a transmit inhibit connections;
- Separate antenna connections for HF/50 MHz and 144/440 MHz antennas;
A GPS connection. ?Now is that for an optional antenna in or a serial GPS NEMA stream out or in? ?No sign of a 10 MHz GPDSO reference;?
- It apparently has full dual receivers with two speakers. This will allow it to be used as a satellite receiver for V/U, U/V;
- Looks like the same form factor as the FTM-500; and,
- Has a mount on the base of the unit (missing from the FTM-500).
73 de VA3IQ
Lawrence
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There is a fairly good video on YouTube right now showing it at the Tokyo ham fair. They were able to video the front and back of the radio, looks like the video captures the AMU and cooling fan unit. ?Looks to be about the same size as an IC 705.?
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On Aug 25, 2024, at 08:48, Lawrence (VA3IQ) via groups.io <ldobranski@...> wrote:
? AE5X has posted some of the new FTX-1F that are very promising as to the radio's features (YMMV -- just my observations):
- A tuner/linear jack that is used to drive the optional automatic antenna tuner. ?If this is the same as mini din on the 817ND/818 this would provide a voltage encoded band data and a transmit inhibit connections;
- Separate antenna connections for HF/50 MHz and 144/440 MHz antennas;
A GPS connection. ?Now is that for an optional antenna in or a serial GPS NEMA stream out or in? ?No sign of a 10 MHz GPDSO reference;?
- It apparently has full dual receivers with two speakers. This will allow it to be used as a satellite receiver for V/U, U/V;
- Looks like the same form factor as the FTM-500; and,
- Has a mount on the base of the unit (missing from the FTM-500).
73 de VA3IQ
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There is a new IO group made for the FTX-1F.
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73' Ron
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Hardly an FT817/8 replacement.
The form factor is all wrong, it sucks.
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It's all you're gonna get, I wouldn't expect an FT-891 form-factor QR radio from Yaesu anytime soon.
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On Sep 5, 2024, at 14:31, Andy Foad via groups.io <andyfoad@...> wrote:
? Hardly an FT817/8 replacement.
The form factor is all wrong, it sucks.
73 de Andy G0FTD
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This rumor of a new 817 updated replacement has been going around for a decade or more. Thats why the ft818 was such a disappointment, it didn't look like the 'dream' replacement at all.
On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 17:22, Ken N2VIP <ken@...> wrote: It's all you're gonna get, I wouldn't expect an FT-891 form-factor QR radio from Yaesu anytime soon. Ken, N2VIP On Sep 5, 2024, at 14:31, Andy Foad via groups.io <andyfoad@...> wrote:
? Hardly an FT817/8 replacement.
The form factor is all wrong, it sucks.
73 de Andy G0FTD
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