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Phil AB5BC wrote

Bonnie,
Could you send out the freqs and times for the HFpack nets.

Well, Phil, we have posted them many times on this group... :-)
You can find the most current schedule on the HFPack site. There is
also a special HFpack schedule for Field Day.

The HFPack Schedule and Frequencies are here:


The schedules are not "nets", just meeting times and frequencies. The
group usually forms on a regional basis around stations who can hear
each other. Sometimes, when propagation is good, there are as many as
40 stations in a big group, with about 75% able to hear each other.
Since propagation skip has been rather short on 18MHz daytime lately,
there may be several groups around the world who talk on the same
frequency simultaneously with little interference. Just get on there
and call CQ HFpack or whatever you like. Don't be surprised if you
hear some other FT-817 operator running Pedestrian Mobile on the beach
or a mountain top somewhere... it happens all the time on 18157 USB.

Bonnie KQ6XA

I just had a chance to go through the FAQ file. There is allot of good information there. It should be required reading for any new FT-817 owner. Thanks to all that contributed.

73's Julio

on 6/11/01 4:42 PM, w4wb@... at w4wb@... wrote:

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Thanks Barry,

I am very Relieved about learning this. Good on you and to Pres who thought
about this.

Jerry, K6AV

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--- In FT817@y..., "Curtis, Tony" <acurtis@t...> wrote:

VE7FM:

I was wondering... Since ISS was in full sight, thus only 200 miles

away,

did you need the beam? How much power were you putting out? Would

a dipole,

J-pole, quarter-wave whip or rubber duck also have worked?

Tony, all my contacts are qrp at 5watt most of the time but there
have been few with 2 watt.....on by
clicking the second column astrick of ve7fm-7 on the Station List you
can see the power details.
*At the time of my last digipeat on June11/01 at 06.55.57 z on orbit
#14614 the height of ISS was 373.4km above ground and it was 610.4km
from my location....I have made contacts in access of 1700km or more
on average......at that time last night I was using 2 element 2 meter
homebrew handheld beam similar to the one that Tony/VK3JED uses
the only
difference is that I am using gamma match and telescoping elements
and bnc jack & plug to seperate the 77cm portion and thus to make it
compact and easy to transport & store.
* I have worked many times ISS, AO-27 and UO-14 with ANLI AL-800 dual
band telescoping 37 inch antenna...no counterpoise. This was the set
up for my two qso with astronaut Susan/NA1SS...and this prompted me
to go further and homebrew handheld beam antennas so that I can have
even better qrp success at it among all the other competing stations.
* I have worked aprs via ISS with 19 inch whip but with a 19 inch
wire counterpoise hanging from the ground base of the whip.
* Have copied aprs from ISS with rubber duck occasionally but no luck
with uplink yet.
Each pass is a little different due to spacecrafts antenna positions
in relation to a ham, atmospheric ducting and reflections etc.....I
have even copied aprs at few times for a minute or so when the ISS
was just below my horizon at LOS.....experiment with whatever you
have on hand available ...you will be surprised that after all it not
difficult at all BUT very easy.....at least thats what I
found.....good luck....73
Mohan


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<snip>

An interesting variant (uh oh... here come the flames...) would be
operating LSB in that window, since it's the top of the band.
In fact, I'm tempted to propose 14350 LSB as an ad hoc QRP calling
frequency.

<snip>

...And it kinda makes sense, too...

Drew KC0FXU

Richard,

You are exactly right, and I want to emphasize something that your
post doesn't really mention: if you are subtracting dbs from the
received station's signals to estimate your signal strength to that
station: _Your antenna gain does NOT matter_. The gains (or losses)
of both station's antennas are system gains, not station gains.

You do not need to feel embarrassed about the fact that he is running
a 5 element cubical quad, and your MP-1 is sitting on park bench.
Your weak signals are going to be enhanced by his antenna just as much
as his strong signals are.

So if you have managed to tune up a damp shoestring, and you are
hearing a kilowatt station at S9+40, give him a call -- unless he has
absurdly high noise levels at his station he will hear you.

When running QRP, just assume the worst and subtract 4 S-units from
the other OM's signal. If that is still an S-unit above the noise
level, give a call. Be prepared to say "That is correct. That is
correct. 5 watts. 5 watts." The other op won't believe it, and
assume QSB is messing with his copy. And if my experience is
representative, they will insist on dropping their own power to 5
watts -- with vocalized doubtfulness.

You will not make a lot of QSOs this way, but if you like listening as
much as talking, you'll have fun looking for those "sweet spot"
contacts. So, unless you are trying to work a net or a schedule, 5
watts SSB works great.

A low power window on 20m would make this even better: it would let a
QRPer know that "if I can hear'em, I can work'em". An interesting
variant (uh oh... here come the flames...) would be operating LSB in
that window, since it's the top of the band.

In fact, I'm tempted to propose 14350 LSB as an ad hoc QRP calling
frequency.

Let the old timers unleash their fury on me.... now.
--
Brian N0KZ
Stop, drop, roll.

--- In FT817@y..., "Richard B Drake" <rich@w...> wrote:

Any cook, knows that when you read the list of ingredients on a

package, the

largest quantity ingredient is listed first and as you read down the

list

the quantities get smaller and smaller. The list of ingredients for

a

successful contact would read something like this:

1) Propagation.
2) Local Noise Level
3) Antenna
4) Power

Note that Power is listed last and is of least importance. The

difference

between 5 watts and a Kilowatt is 23 db (10 Log 1000/5) or about 3.8

S

units.. How important that is depends wholly on other ingredients.

If you

see an S9+30 signal and he is running a KW the chances are pretty

good than

you can call him with 5 watts and hit him with an S9+5 signal. On

the other

hand if he is S4 with a KW chances are he won't hear your 5 watts.

Does it

really work that way? Most of the time it does - yes. Can you go on

20M SSB

with 5 watts and have fun - with the right propagation and antenna,
absolutely!!

------
73, Rich - W3ZJ

-----Original Message-----
From: whitehur@e... [mailto:whitehur@e...]
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 2:15 PM
To: FT817@y...
Subject: [FT817] Re: 20m Low Power Window 14340~14350 (Band Plan

Proposal)

--- In FT817@y..., "KQ6XA" <xtalradio@a...> wrote:

<snip>

>50Watts SSB has a similar communication capability as
> about 2Watts or 5Watts CW.
>

<snip>

Well then, if the goal is to communicate -- and I'm _really_ not
trying to revive the usual code v. no code war here -- use CW. CW

is

one of our tools, and this is what it's best suited for.

Cheers, Tom KC5UN


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Really needed for experiments

on 6/11/01 12:54 PM, Richard B Drake at rich@... wrote:

Any cook, knows that when you read the list of ingredients on a package, the
largest quantity ingredient is listed first and as you read down the list
the quantities get smaller and smaller. The list of ingredients for a
successful contact would read something like this:

1) Propagation.
2) Local Noise Level
3) Antenna
4) Power

Note that Power is listed last and is of least importance. The difference
between 5 watts and a Kilowatt is 23 db (10 Log 1000/5) or about 3.8 S
units.. How important that is depends wholly on other ingredients. If you
see an S9+30 signal and he is running a KW the chances are pretty good than
you can call him with 5 watts and hit him with an S9+5 signal. On the other
hand if he is S4 with a KW chances are he won't hear your 5 watts. Does it
really work that way? Most of the time it does - yes. Can you go on 20M SSB
with 5 watts and have fun - with the right propagation and antenna,
absolutely!!

--------------------------------
Rich,

You forgot another most important factor : Location, Location, Location.

Jerry, K6AV

on 6/11/01 12:34 PM, David Perry at david.perry3@... wrote:

Count me in!

G4YVM
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Subject: [FT817] 817 Owners Net

Anyone game for a FT817 Users net on the air?...for tests, and such?


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I think this is a marvelous idea.

Now who is going to set this all up?

Jerry, K6AV

Sounds great.

Jim N5TJZ
--- In FT817@y..., Mike Tatum <miket@c...> wrote:

And Me !

M0AWS ...

David Perry wrote:

Count me in!

G4YVM
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--
MikeT

John (KB1FPM) and I Keith (N1XTK) tried communicating on 40 and 80 meters
this Saturday. Both of us were using the Jelinek antenna that we built. The
distance between our stations was about 70 miles as the crow flies. We were
not able to contact each other on 80 and was having a very rough copy on 40.
My antenna had its 40 meter elements point east-west which would have been
in the general direction of John. I do not know if this had anything to do
with us not being able to contact each other on 80. Later on John went
inside and connected to his dipole. I believe he said that it was at 35 feet
at the feed point and the ends were about 20 feet off the ground (John
correct me if I am wrong). We went from 50 percent or so copy to solid 100
percent copy on 40 meters. I am not sure if we tried 80 or not. John,
correct, add, subtract anything that I may had been wrong on please. The
contact we had when he went to his dipole was excellent and I was still on
the Jelinek. Next time we may have to try it again with me on my inverted V
and him on the Jelinek. 8-)
72,
Keith
N1XTK

--- In FT817@y..., harry.edwards@s... wrote:

I thought I'd update the group on my recent SSB DX success on 20M.

Hi All,
My usage is a little bit longer, with approx 4 months on & off.
Always at home with the FT817 5W on 10M into a HB dipole at 25'.

I also have had some very good(I think so) already with some QSL
cards. Some examples(all on SSB):
3D2AG, 9A1CCY, A35NB, BV7ID, BY4CL, CO2KK, FO/DL1AWI, KH0/JR3TVA,
P29CC, PY2GD, S58N, T32RD, T77C, UA0FO, V31DY, V73E, VP5AZ, VP9KD,
YB0LBK, YV5DEH, ZK1JD, + quite a few VK's, ZL's, JA's, and 29 States.

I also personally find what really helps on QRP contacts:
- REALLY, and I mean REALLY "EMPHASISE" the /QRP after your call..
Most of the above contacts said either,
"QRP Only" or station with "QRP".

Rgds
David - W6DRH(ex KG6CIQ).. Vanity got to me.!!

--- In FT817@y..., "KQ6XA" <xtalradio@a...> wrote:

pfarris wrote:

Anyone game for a FT817 Users net on the air?
...for tests, and such?

FT-817 users are welcome on the HFpack schedules and frequencies.
On most of the HFpack skeds 50~75% of the operators are FT-817

owners.

Discussions include similar topics to the FT817 egroup.

Bonnie KQ6XA

Bonnie,
Could you send out the freqs and times for the HFpack nets. I guess
we can start there and see how it works.
Thanks,
Phil, AB5BC
proud new FT-817 owner

PHIL, I PURCHASED THE SAME HOSFELT POWER SUPPLY AND I GET "HASH" ON THE HF
BANDS WHEN COMPARED TO BATTERY POWER....HAVE YOU TRIED THE POWER SUPPLY USING
ANTENNAS DIRECTLY ON REAR CONNECTOR? THATS WHEN I GET THE NOISE. IF I GOT A
BAD ONE I MAY RETURN IT....BUT HEY...9 BUCKS? MAY NOT BE WORTH THE TROUBLE.
THANKS, BILL,WB2IWC,