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Hi, This is the first message to the Felder Woodworking Machines list at eGroups.com. Current list subscribers: Geoff Shepherd John Renzetti Yours in Precision Sawdust, Geoff Shepherd

John, I'm sending this message via our new e-mail list hosted by eGroups.com. You and I are both managers of this list (hah, you've been volunteered!), and there is a nice web interface at eGroups to manage the list, set policies, and turn on and off different features. To subscribe to this e-mail group, all one needs to do is send a blank e-mail to: felder-woodworking-subscribe@... To send a message to the entire group (currently compose of only you and me), send e-mail to: felder-woodworking@... I did not want to add everyone on our current informal list without their permission. Probably the best thing to do is send out an invite to everyone with the above instructions. There is a way to get a snippet of HTML code which can be added to any web site that makes it easy to subscribe to our mailing list. It's called a subscription box, and I imagine it's as simple as filling in one's e-mail address and pressing the subscribe button. On the eGroups site, there are also some interesting features that allow us to share photographs, have real-time chat, teleconference (no long distance charges), read archived messages, and have a shared calander of events. For right now, the list is set up as public and unmoderated. Anyone can subscribe and post messages. If we need to change it to a private group or use the moderation features, that is easy to do. eGroups is advertiser supported, so I'm not sure what to expect in our messages. If it gets annoying, they have a no-ads option for $5 a month paid yearly, or we could find a different list server. Well, let's give this a go. -- Geoff Shepherd Everett, WA BF6-31, AF-22

Hi guys, This is a great idea. As you know we are months if not years behind with our web site. But please don't give up your hope we are indeed working on a new one. If we can support this group in any way please let me know. Wolfgang FELDER USA

Thank you for the invitation. Maybe this will motivate the Felder web page designers. Frankly, I going to miss the "old web page". Peter Rogers Felder USA

Greetings- What a wonderful idea and opportunity for everyone involved with FELDER machinery! As a FELDER representative I look forward to assisting with anyone's concerns or suggestions relating to their machines or woodworking techniques. I urge everyone to use this forum to its full extent, but I also want to remind everyone that assistance is just a toll-free call away.... In either case FELDER USA takes pride in knowing that the "FELDER Team" consists not only of the company, but of the smart investors who have realized the importance of quality machinery. Happy Woodworking!!

Hey Guys, Even if it is mostly all felder staff. Good idea to get the ball rolling. However,if we aren't careful it will roll right over us. Look forward to hearing from you as your needs require. JH the tech head

Wow! I'm curious to know how you guys subscribed before the official invitations were sent out? In any case, welcome to the group! Official invitations just went out a few minutes ago to the thirty-four members of the old informal e-mail group, so we will soon see our regulars get signed up with the new list. Aside from this e-mail list, there is a web page at: www.egroups.com/felder-woodworking/info.htm This web site allows us to search old discussions, post new messages via a web interface (useful when using a different computer than your own), chat in real time with other members, voice teleconference without long-distance fees, keep a shared calendar of events (such as group chat nights, or whatever), share links to related web sites, post pictures of shops/projects/etc, and even conduct surveys. I'm sure we will find some of these features useful and engaging right away, but others may not have much use for us for awhile. I guess we'll see how it goes. Should FelderUSA like to add a "subscription box" for this forum to their web site, HTML code and instructions are available at the following link: http://www.egroups.com/GroupTemplatesPage?listName=felder-woodworking -- Geoff Shepherd List Manager

Great - glad to see more folks getting signed up! In my last welcome message, I posted the incorrect URL for this group's home page. The correct URL is: http://www.egroups.com/group/felder-woodworking Please visit this page to review prior postings and make use of other cool features available to this group such as pictures and chat. A good way to sign your messages to the group is something like the following: name, e-mail address, location, equipment. -- Geoff Shepherd List Manager mailto:geoff@... Everett, WA BF6-31, AF-22

Although this list is currently served up for us without charge, the company providing the service is advertiser supported. This means we have "discreet" little ads at the bottom of each message. They do provide an Ad-Free option that runs $5 or $6 per month, paid anually by check. If Felder USA would like to pick up the tab on this option, that would be a nice gesture and one that I'm sure we would all appreciate. If we want to set that option up, let me know and I'll post the information of where the check should be mailed to. -- Geoff Shepherd List Manager Everett, WA

I posted two pictures, one of my machine being delivered, another of the difficulty Gerhard has with driving (long story). Anyway if I get a greenlite from Mr. Renzetti, I will post a picture of his shop if we wants. It would be great to see where these wonderful machines reside. (Don't worry if your shop is a mess, it will make me feel better). jim

Group - it would be a good idea as we upload pictures to the vault to create appropriate sub-folders within the Felder Owners Shops folder... I created a couple already, so we can just follow that pattern or as we see fit. I must say that this is a pretty slick system - I like it! -- Geoff Shepherd List Manager mailto:Geoff@... Everett, WA BF6-31, AF-22

...John's shop is WAY too clean to be doing any real work! Looks like the Felder catalog, too, lacking only the guy with the cool moustache! Where's the scrap? Miscuts? Pinups? Band-Aids? Beer bottles? Scattered wrench set? These, my friends, are what make up a real shop, IMHO! (Yeah, I'd trade my first-borne for a setup like his! Terminally jealous!) -Philip Tamarkin (BF-5 and damn proud of it!)

Just uploaded a jpg file to the vault showing the bench I built, which was the first big project using the machines. It was pretty easy to upload. This idea of Geoff's is working pretty good.

Since James Voos had such a great idea with the special of the month and the poll shows you guys are interested in something like that I uploaded a folder in the vault with the "Special of the Month February 2000". This offer is exclusively available for members of the FELDER Owner's Group and will be updated every month. Wolfgang FELDER USA

Great! Glad to see this opportunity for enthusiastic Felder owners. Too bad I already own this months special :) jim

I just made a new folder that has the newsletters I sent out plus an article on installing 3 phase power in the shop, and some machine reviews. If anyone else would like to write a review of their machines please feel free to do so and upload them here. Also this would be a good place to put some tips. Art Pentz has given me some great ideas in the last couple of years, so maybe Art could write some of them up here.

Better grab a cup of coffee, I think this is going to be a little long... I wanted to say "Welcome!" to all the members who have signed up to the new Felder Owner's Group over the last day or so. We are up to 28 members as of now with currently 17 invitations still unanswered. So, maybe in a few days we'll be up over 40 members. From there, I think this forum will take off beyond our expectations as word gets out to the many new, existing, and possibly prospective Felder/Hammer machine owners worldwide. Please feel free to invite other folks who might be interested in this forum. Anyone who wants to subscribe just needs to send a blank e-mail to: felder-woodworking-subscribe@... ... that's it. We can also send out special invitation e-mails from the member directory on the web site that make it even easier. First off, if you have any questions or problems with your forum membership, please visit our forum's web site at: http://www.egroups.com/group/felder-woodworking/info.html ... in fact, bookmark that link (yes, that one, right there!) as it makes a great "portal" page for getting to our group's web site. If you need further assistance, send me an e-mail at mailto:Geoff@... ... In addition, as keeper of the original e-mail list prior to this forum, and Unofficial East-Coast Model Felder Super-Shiny-Floor-Woodshop/Five-Star Bed & Breakfast & Shop (how's that for a title, John), Mr. John Renzetti also has manager access to this forum and can help out as needed. However, this whole system is designed to let each member pretty much self-administer their own memberships, so check out that web site. It's fairly self-explanatory and tends to lead you by the nose through most tasks. Speaking of memberships, there has been a little bit of confusion between subscribing to this e-mail forum and having an official eGroups account. The latter is not required for the former, and for better or worse, simply subscribing to this e-mail forum doesn't automatically create an account for you on eGroups. A password-protected account on eGroups is required if you want to use many of our group's web site functions. Fortunately, the eGroups membership is free and very easy to set up. You can go to http://www.egroups.com and create your account there, or from our group web site, there is a "Log In" button near the top right of the page. Also, it will give you the log in screen if you try to access one of the "members-only" features, so one way or another you'll be able to create an account. Once you have created your eGroups account (and if you have cookies enabled on your browser - most do by default), you won't have to log in again to use the web site unless you use the log out option or want to access the site from a different computer. The eGroup accounts are necessary to ensure that only our group's members have access to certain features, such as the member directory. Hope that makes some sense! It's easier done than described, I think! Along the thoughts of minor confusions, we found another interesting one yesterday. If you view the member directory at the web site, you might notice your e-mail address looks funny. Well, this is intentional. The eGroups system intentionally mangles the first part of your e-mail address to foil "spam-bots," programs that automatically surf the web harvesting e-mail addresses for junk mail purposes. Rest assured, if you are receiving this message, the system does indeed have your correct e-mail address stored internally. I didn't quite figure this one out at first, because as the "list owner," the e-mail addresses are shown in the clear to me. Wow - the Vault has turned out to be very popular already! This is where we can share pictures of our shops, machines, projects, drawings, etc... Any of us can upload to it, but please make sure to create your very own sub-folder to put your pictures in. That way, we don't end up with a big shoebox full of photos. Unfortunately, it is time consuming to move uploads to different folders after uploading, so it's best to upload to the right folder to begin with. We ha

Folks... I'm going to disable this forum's supposedly "members-only" chat room for now just so nobody runs into the same thing I did last evening and gets the wrong idea! I was under the impression that only our forum's members could participate in the chat room feature. Well, last night I left my browser in the chat room just in case any of our members dropped by. Imagine my surprise when I received a "private message" from someone not connected with our forum. I won't repeat the contents of the message here (not appropriate), but I had to laugh because it was just like some "evils of the internet" story we used to see on the 6-o'clock news a few years ago. I sent a complaint to eGroups management... seems like they need to work on some security issues with the forum chat rooms. In any case, we're not using it right now, so I see no harm in disabling it. Assuming they get it fixed, maybe in the future we could have a weekly chat evening or some such if enough folks were interested. -- Geoff Shepherd (list manger) mailto:Geoff@...

John, Point your web browser to: http://www.egroups.com/docvault/felder-woodworking If you haven't yet set up a free account on the eGroups site, you'll be prompted to log in with a user name and password. Just follow the instructions for creating a new account (it's free). Once you have access to the forum's site, you should be able to get to the document vault via the above link. Right now it has four folders in it (and one unidentified flying JPG - anyone own that one?). One of the folders is "Special of the Month", and inside that is a MS-Word document called February_2000.doc. Click to download it. You'll need to have Microsoft Word installed to read it. Maybe someone could translate it to PDF format and upload it to the same directory... If that doesn't solve it for you, send me an e-mail and tell me where it's getting fouled up for you. BTW - Just in case you all are wondering why I am posting so many messages this evening... well, OK, I'm bored. I'm waiting for software to compile and load into an emulator here at work for testing and debugging, over and over again... ugh... I'd rather be making sawdust! Ah, the thrill of programming... -- Geoff

The following is a digest of a relatively recent thread on cutting dados using Felder equipment. The original messages are separated by the double-hyphen mark. Sorry if I got any of the original author's names mixed up - I tried to copy these posts verbatim from my e-mail archive. By reposting this thread in the new forum, it will be accessible in the message archives at the forum's web site. ..Geoff -- From: John Renzetti Could any of you guys give me some info on how you cut dadoes. Do you use the saw, the shaper, or another piece of equipment altogether. I'd like to compare ideas. Thanks, John Renzetti -- From: arnoldman John, I use the saw, with the splitter lowered below the level of the blade top, and "nibble away" the dado if it's only about 3/8" or narrower. For wider dadoes, I use the high speed spindle with a straight cutting router bit, and the saw/jointer fence. Chuck -- From: James Voos This is the only thing I miss from my Delta Unisaw. I have used the high speed spindle with some CMT straight cutting bits, but I would say I have been less than thrilled with the results. For dadoes close to an edge, I have used the slot cutter on the shaper, which gives a very nice result. The folks at Felder recommend I pick up some panel routing bits from Hersaf in Atascadero, CA but I haven't done it as of yet. Certainly requires a bigger investment in bits, compared with the various shimming options that a dado blade provides. The other option, of course is to use a router with a cross cut guide. I thought you still had your Unisaw. Did that go away? jim -- From: Taylor John, Haven't got around to that yet. I must say, that was a major disappointment to learn that a dado blade could not be used on the Felder. Tom @ Felder told me, last year, there was a local machine shop that would mill a slot in the edge of the siding table to provide clearance for a dado blade. That would be a tuff option to swallow for me. Perhaps I'll try the Hersaf router bits that you told me about when I get to crossing that bridge? Would love to hear of any miracle ideas on this, too. best regards, taylor -- From: APGAR, Lee, GCM I have yet to take delivery of the machines that I ordered at the phiily show. I ordered the KF-7 x and the AD 7-51 and was told specifically that i would be able to use a dado setup..........hmmmmm! -- From: Charlie Norton This is embarrassing, but I have been cutting dadoes two ways: 1) With multiple passes of the saw blade. I know, I know, it is crude, takes forever and is prone to error, but for vertical dadoes, it is the only method I have used so far (for vertical dadoes). 2) For horizontal dadoes, I am using the Felder (Leitz) Adjustable Groover on the shaper. This works well, although I would suggest using the safety plates that drop down between the infeed and outfeed fence halves. I do not yet have this option (or the fence that is required) and I think it would reduce the scare factor when performing these cuts. I will probably get the Hersaf bits at some point for vertical cuts. Good Luck! Charlie Norton -- From: Geoff Shepherd John - For a clever router & guide rail approach, check out the "Fractioning Baseplate" idea in Bill Hylton's "Router Magic" book. I plan to try it. It basically multiplies your straight bit collection by a factor of four... ever try to shim a straight bit to make it a little wider? In effect, that's what this setup does. Check it out. While I do have a Forrest Dado-King (8"), I won't be able to use it on my BF6-31. I plan to move to router-made dado's using the high-speed spindle or a hand-held router as appropriate. I can always fall back on my Shopsmith if I really want to fire up the dado set, and there may be times where that will be useful so as not to disturb a particular setup on the Felder. ...Geoff (anxiously awaiting my BF6-31... and I will have my combined combination shop finally... hopefully this Sunday.) -- From: dolsid John: I have several ways. For stopped dados I use a plunge router with a jig consisting of a piece of 3/4 inch hard wood glued to 1/4 inch plywood. Gu