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Supercell DC with A3-41 and FB-510 #Bandsaw #dustcollection #jointerplaner

 

I¡¯ve recently taken delivery of my A3-41 and I need to upgrade my dust collection. ?As a pure hobbyist currently working out of a small garage I don¡¯t have a lot of space to spare. ?I have been intrigued by the Supercell but I worry it wont be able to keep up with the JP or the dual port bandsaw. ?In your opinions will the supercell be sufficient? If not what would be a more viable option?

Cheers!
 

I don¡¯t think it takes a huge DC to pull chips out of the thicknesser. My old Delta was enough for that. Get the biggest drum you can get. I have a 35-gallon drum on my current Oneida, and wish I had a bigger one. My thicknesser fills it up pretty fast.

Even though the cyclone does a good job separating particles from air, you¡¯ll still be cleaning the filter regularly. I don¡¯t know what the Supercell filter is like, or how long you can go before you have to pull it out to clean. I have a large cylindrical filter, and can go a while.

if I had it to do over I would try to find a way to put the machine outside. It is quite noisy.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941
 

?I¡¯ve had the Oneida Supercell in my shop for 2 years and am generally very pleased with its performance. It balances volume of air moved with suction force very nicely therefore making it useful for larger stationary machines as well as smaller ones such as drill press and miter saw (as if anything can catch all that,). I would say that the Supercell might struggle with deep wide cuts; I had one filter jam while planing 16¡± wide cherry - however a factor in that was that my ¡°helper¡± (teenaged grandson) was inattentive to maintenance and I think the DC was at less than an optimal state. I would recommend calling Oneida; they¡¯re located not far from me here in upstate NY and have excellent customer service; they¡¯ll go over your DC needs and may well recommend another of there cyclone units instead.

Brd
alain pilon
 

I built my own cyclone setup using a 2HP blower and oneida 6 cyclone thinking I would save money. But in the end, I think it would have been better to just buy the Supercell. From a practicality point of view I think the Supercell is incredible for anyone working in a small shop / garage shop. Having a single machine that can handle dust collection from big machines and smaller ones is something I totally underestimated at the time and I am now stuck with a Festool vac?+ the cyclone. Without counting my time, I think I saved 400-500$ and my setup is way less efficient. Not worth it.

Moral of the story: if my house ever burned down, I will go SuperCell for all my tooling.?


On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 8:35 AM celestialgazer2001 <bradpj53@...> wrote:
?I¡¯ve had the Oneida Supercell in my shop for 2 years and am generally very pleased with its performance. It balances volume of air moved with suction force very nicely therefore making it useful for larger stationary machines as well as smaller ones such as drill press and miter saw (as if anything can catch all that,). I would say that the Supercell might struggle with deep wide cuts; I had one filter jam while planing 16¡± wide cherry - however a factor in that was that my ¡°helper¡± (teenaged grandson) was inattentive to maintenance and I think the DC was at less than an optimal state. I would recommend calling Oneida; they¡¯re located not far from me here in upstate NY and have excellent customer service; they¡¯ll go over your DC needs and may well recommend another of there cyclone units instead.

Brd

 

I think if small runs don't annoy you with bin-filling/emptying cycles, and you don't mind moving the active ports to your machines, and you run 1 tool at a time, the supercell will probably be great.

I wanted to buy one but in the end went with another cyclone setup because I needed the ability to do area air exchanges (cfm!) and multiple tools running at multiples times, and I had available 3 phase to plug into but needed to run another 220/1ph circuit to accommodate the supercell.?

The reality of a cyclone pushing 4x more processed air through a space is definitely a consideration compared to chip collection of high-suction at the source.?

On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 8:19 AM alain pilon <alain.pilon@...> wrote:
I built my own cyclone setup using a 2HP blower and oneida 6 cyclone thinking I would save money. But in the end, I think it would have been better to just buy the Supercell. From a practicality point of view I think the Supercell is incredible for anyone working in a small shop / garage shop. Having a single machine that can handle dust collection from big machines and smaller ones is something I totally underestimated at the time and I am now stuck with a Festool vac?+ the cyclone. Without counting my time, I think I saved 400-500$ and my setup is way less efficient. Not worth it.

Moral of the story: if my house ever burned down, I will go SuperCell for all my tooling.?


On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 8:35 AM celestialgazer2001 <bradpj53@...> wrote:
?I¡¯ve had the Oneida Supercell in my shop for 2 years and am generally very pleased with its performance. It balances volume of air moved with suction force very nicely therefore making it useful for larger stationary machines as well as smaller ones such as drill press and miter saw (as if anything can catch all that,). I would say that the Supercell might struggle with deep wide cuts; I had one filter jam while planing 16¡± wide cherry - however a factor in that was that my ¡°helper¡± (teenaged grandson) was inattentive to maintenance and I think the DC was at less than an optimal state. I would recommend calling Oneida; they¡¯re located not far from me here in upstate NY and have excellent customer service; they¡¯ll go over your DC needs and may well recommend another of there cyclone units instead.

Brd



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Brett Wissel
Saint Louis Restoration
1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd)
St Louis, MO 63110

314.772.2167
brett@...
 

My cyclone is 30¡± x 30¡± in plan, plus the big filter. That is larger than the Supercell, but it sure works well.

I set it up with the filter close to the wall to keep it out of the way, but that was a mistake. I cannot blow down the filter on that side.

The filter is remarkably efficient. I have a ceiling-mounted air cleaner, but very rarely use it now that I have the Oneida. I still use a dust mask.

The cyclone was expensive. What surprised me was how much I spent on ducts, fittings, blast gates, and such. It was easily as much as the cost of the cyclone.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941
 

Brett, I have a one-man hobby shop so no comparison; but it is fully piped with auto blast gates so the inconvenience is limited. I agree with John, the other elements of a complete system are a huge part of the total cost. Advantage: I actually use it now lol.

Brad

On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 11:30 AM John Hinman <jhinman1911@...> wrote:
My cyclone is 30¡± x 30¡± in plan, plus the big filter. That is larger than the Supercell, but it sure works well.

I set it up with the filter close to the wall to keep it out of the way, but that was a mistake. I cannot blow down the filter on that side.

The filter is remarkably efficient. I have a ceiling-mounted air cleaner, but very rarely use it now that I have the Oneida. I still use a dust mask.

The cyclone was expensive. What surprised me was how much I spent on ducts, fittings, blast gates, and such. It was easily as much as the cost of the cyclone.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941

 

I looked at the V3000 which is likely the route I¡¯d go other than the Supercell. ?My dilemma there is I would still use flex hose as my space is small and I¡¯m hopefully only here for a little while longer before moving (12-24 mo). ?The accounting doesn¡¯t make sense to invest in a ducting network that will be so short lived. ?I currently have a Laguna B Flux so swapping the hose from port to port is a pain point I¡¯ve already grown numb to.

I guess the main question is for a one man shop, running 1 tool at a time, with a maximum demand of the a3-41 which is the better option for my application? ?I am going to reach out to Oneida, but also put stock in crowd sourcing an answer from all of your own experiences.

Cheers!
 

I have a V5000 that Oneida recommended because I live at 5400 ft.? Throughput has never been a problem.

"I have a 35-gallon drum on my current Oneida, and wish I had a bigger one. My thicknesser fills it up pretty fast."? ?This is true except that a bag full from the 35 gallon is about all I want to carry up from the basement, espcially if any MDF is involved.
 

I¡¯ve had a supercell and a3-31 in a hobby shop with a 35 gallon drum. It loses a small amount of chips and dust from a planer and small/moderate amount from an 18bx laguna band saw on resawing but it has been good to me. Not having to run duct because the static pressure can avoid a major loss through a long run of their Vacuum rated hoses is a benefit for a small shop but I tripped on hoses. Magports made changes quick though. I¡¯m adding a dust gorilla pro 5hp and ducts soon for convenience and cfm with the addition of some more serious tools (scm 21¡± bandsaw, 20¡± scm jointer/planer, and kf700sp) but there¡¯s a video of someone using a supercell with a grizzly 20 ¡° planer on YouTube, where it keeps up. I was more concerned about dual 120¡± port machines not having enough air movement.

I am keeping it, for vacuum duties, mobile or hand held small port tools like the Japanese fine toothed circ saws and groovers that are super dusty, miter saw, Mortiser, etc.

Oh, last note, On the idea that you get a bigger drum, i don¡¯t have the ceiling height for a 55 but also once I started using my band saw to rip down stock before planing to an 8th of an inch, I found myself rarely worrying about the bin filling. I do mostly slow hand tool joinery so that could be another reason I don¡¯t worry about it, with long stretches between machine work past initial milling and grooving. I should be emptying mine more regularly for safety reasons anyhow. Hope this helps.

If you want I can plane some boards and take a photo of the chips it doesn¡¯t catch on the planer bed.

b
 

B - This is really encouraging! ?A photo would be great! ?Part of my thinking also is that if, down the road, I end up in a space large enough I can always go bigger. ?I think I would likely be able to recoup a decent amount of the purchase price for the Supercell by selling it.
 

If you don't make a lot of dust on a regular basis, a much cheaper alternative to the supercell with very similar capabilities is the CamVac 386-6.?I found the camvac to do an excellent job at getting chips and dust out of a Hammer B3, A3-31, cabinet saw, a 14-inch euro-style bandsaw, and even keeps the miter saw quite clean, while also keeping dust out of the air.?

The real downsides to the CamVac 386-6 vs the supercell are capacity and the full bin light but it was 1/3rd the price of the Super Cell and rolls under the wing of my B3 when not in use.

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