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Slider alignment question


 

I am about to re-check the alignment of the slider on my saw. I thought I had it pretty well tuned up, following the David Best videos, but am seeing some unexpected behavior.

Small offcuts tend to fling back toward the front of the saw. If I trim 1/8” off the end of a piece, for instance, the off cut will often fly clear off the saw.
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Does this behavior give me some clues as to the slider alignment? Is it telling me I have too little toe-out, or maybe too much? I’m not burning the off-cut.
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Thanks for any advice!
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941


 

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Do you get burning on the off-cut side (to the right of the blade) if the material is clamped down to the slider? ?What blade are you using and do you have a rivving knife installed and properly adjusted?

David Best - via mobile phone?

On Apr 8, 2025, at 11:09?AM, John Hinman via groups.io <jhinman1911@...> wrote:

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I am about to re-check the alignment of the slider on my saw. I thought I had it pretty well tuned up, following the David Best videos, but am seeing some unexpected behavior.

Small offcuts tend to fling back toward the front of the saw. If I trim 1/8” off the end of a piece, for instance, the off cut will often fly clear off the saw.
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Does this behavior give me some clues as to the slider alignment? Is it telling me I have too little toe-out, or maybe too much? I’m not burning the off-cut.
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Thanks for any advice!
--
John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941


 

David, I am not getting burn marks on the off-cuts. I am using a SilentPower 30-tooth Universal blade (model 03.02.35030). I am using a roving knife, and I believe I have it installed correctly.
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Thanks!
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941


 

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It could be that the suction of your overhead guard is pulling the off-cut upward and into the blade. ?Or it could be that the throat plate supplied by Felder does not have tight tolerance to the blade, and the off-cut being so small starts to lean over into the blade. ?Both of these situations can cause a small off-cut to get caught by the back of the blade and thrown forward. ?I had this problem on my Kappa 400 and it was all related to the throat plate, so I designed a replacement ZCI throat plate, installed that, and the problem stopped. ?The OEM throat plate on these machines is typically angled on the right to accommodate a tilted saw blade, and that angled section would encourage small off-cuts to tilt over and into the blade causing a kickback. ?You can see my ZCI effort?. ?I believe someone else here on FOG makes a 3D printed version of something very similar to my design for the Kappa 450.

If you want to further check toe-out on your slider, I describe two methods in my YouTube video - the link below takes you directly to the section on toe-out:



Another test would be as follows.

  1. Put on a crosscut blade and elevate it to about 40mm exposure above the cast iron top.
  2. Take a piece of 3/4” material like hardwood or high quality MDF that is 12” or so wide and 18” or so long.
  3. Securely clamp the material to the slider with the off-cut end (right side of blade) extending over the cast iron top by about 4”.
  4. Start a crosscut operation by pushing the slider forward slowly to complete the crosscut operation.
  5. Inspect the off-cut for any evidence of burning or recutting of the material by the back of the blade. ?A burnt edge is a sign of too much toe-out on the slider.

David Best
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best



On Apr 8, 2025, at 1:04?PM, John Hinman via groups.io <jhinman1911@...> wrote:

David, I am not getting burn marks on the off-cuts. I am using a SilentPower 30-tooth Universal blade (model 03.02.35030). I am using a roving knife, and I believe I have it installed correctly.
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Thanks!
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941


 

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In addition to David’s thorough response, I’m just confirming that when you perform through cuts you have your saw blade raised enough so that only a minimum of teeth is engaged in the material being cut? David mentioned a blade raised 40mm for a 3/4” plywood test cut. That’s about right. I run my blades at 40-50mm permanently for 20-25mm material and even higher for thicker stock. I find small offcuts engage with the teeth and “grab” if the blade is adjusted too low.

Warm regards,
Lucky

Dr David Luckensmeyer?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of David P. Best via groups.io <dbestworkshop@...>
Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2025 6:30:14 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Slider alignment question
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It could be that the suction of your overhead guard is pulling the off-cut upward and into the blade. ?Or it could be that the throat plate supplied by Felder does not have tight tolerance to the blade, and the off-cut being so small starts to lean over into the blade. ?Both of these situations can cause a small off-cut to get caught by the back of the blade and thrown forward. ?I had this problem on my Kappa 400 and it was all related to the throat plate, so I designed a replacement ZCI throat plate, installed that, and the problem stopped. ?The OEM throat plate on these machines is typically angled on the right to accommodate a tilted saw blade, and that angled section would encourage small off-cuts to tilt over and into the blade causing a kickback. ?You can see my ZCI effort?. ?I believe someone else here on FOG makes a 3D printed version of something very similar to my design for the Kappa 450.

If you want to further check toe-out on your slider, I describe two methods in my YouTube video - the link below takes you directly to the section on toe-out:



Another test would be as follows.

  1. Put on a crosscut blade and elevate it to about 40mm exposure above the cast iron top.
  2. Take a piece of 3/4” material like hardwood or high quality MDF that is 12” or so wide and 18” or so long.
  3. Securely clamp the material to the slider with the off-cut end (right side of blade) extending over the cast iron top by about 4”.
  4. Start a crosscut operation by pushing the slider forward slowly to complete the crosscut operation.
  5. Inspect the off-cut for any evidence of burning or recutting of the material by the back of the blade. ?A burnt edge is a sign of too much toe-out on the slider.

David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best



On Apr 8, 2025, at 1:04?PM, John Hinman via groups.io <jhinman1911@...> wrote:

David, I am not getting burn marks on the off-cuts. I am using a SilentPower 30-tooth Universal blade (model 03.02.35030). I am using a roving knife, and I believe I have it installed correctly.
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Thanks!
--
John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941


 

The suction idea is very interesting. I can experiment with that. I will also do other checks on the alignment.
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This version of the saw does not have a typical throat plate. I believe this is due to the PCS system.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941


 

For anyone it may help, I ordered a throat plate for the K940S from Bill Belanger. It immediately solved the issue of small cutoff kick back and jamming between the blade and the plate.