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Mirka DEOS 3x4 vs Surfprep
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Hey Gentleman
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I am looking at getting a 3x4 sander. ?I have festool sanders which i like but the 3x4 is taller than i prefer and was looking at these two sanders. ?Does anyone have experience with them both that could compare them?
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I will use it on furniture and refinishing some exterior doors
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Michael Marsico
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Hello Mike I was at my neighbor Tim’s last week and he let me try out his Mikra pretty sure it was a 5 inch random orbital not the square pad that you’re asking about but I can tell you it was one beautiful little tool to use. My friend Tim is high top quality finisher. He has a few of these and also use has at the University of Wisconsin workplace and if he says they’re good they’re damn good. I only sanded with it for two minutes, so not a very good reference that way, but Tim swears by the damn thing and he is very very fussy when it comes to finishing or cabinet work in general so I trust his advice. |
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On Dec 14, 2024, at 6:57?AM, Michael Marsico via groups.io <michael.marsico1@...> wrote:
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Hey Gentleman
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I am looking at getting a 3x4 sander. ?I have festool sanders which i like but the 3x4 is taller than i prefer and was looking at these two sanders. ?Does anyone have experience with them both that could compare them?
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I will use it on furniture and refinishing some exterior doors
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Michael Marsico
As a sidenote, it is to do Mikra it was in the early 2000s. It was the Atlanta show after the show in the evening time. We’re on top of the hotel in a big hot tub and I was in the pool with a bunch of MIKRA reps from around the world all of a sudden Harry of Felder fame walks up to the edge of the hot tub with very tiny speedo on goes into a handstand for a couple minutes and then flaps over into the pool quite interesting. Go Harry.
Mac,,,
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On Dec 14, 2024, at 10:04?AM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression via groups.io <airtightclamps@...> wrote:
? Hello Mike I was at my neighbor Tim’s last week and he let me try out his Mikra pretty sure it was a 5 inch random orbital not the square pad that you’re asking about but I can tell you it was one beautiful little tool to use. My friend Tim is high top quality finisher. He has a few of these and also use has at the University of Wisconsin workplace and if he says they’re good they’re damn good. I only sanded with it for two minutes, so not a very good reference that way, but Tim swears by the damn thing and he is very very fussy when it comes to finishing or cabinet work in general so I trust his advice.
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On Dec 14, 2024, at 6:57?AM, Michael Marsico via groups.io <michael.marsico1@...> wrote:
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Hey Gentleman
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I am looking at getting a 3x4 sander. ?I have festool sanders which i like but the 3x4 is taller than i prefer and was looking at these two sanders. ?Does anyone have experience with them both that could compare them?
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I will use it on furniture and refinishing some exterior doors
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Michael Marsico
Thanks Mac – sounds like a good endorsement ?
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Subject: Re: [FOG] Mirka DEOS 3x4 vs Surfprep? Hello Mike I was at my neighbor Tim’s last week and he let me try out his Mikra pretty sure it was a 5 inch random orbital not the square pad that you’re asking about but I can tell you it was one beautiful little tool to use. My friend Tim is high top quality finisher. He has a few of these and also use has at the University of Wisconsin workplace and if he says they’re good they’re damn good. I only sanded with it for two minutes, so not a very good reference that way, but Tim swears by the damn thing and he is very very fussy when it comes to finishing or cabinet work in general so I trust his advice. Best mac,,, Designing and building for 50 years ? I am looking at getting a 3x4 sander. ?I have festool sanders which i like but the 3x4 is taller than i prefer and was looking at these two sanders. ?Does anyone have experience with them both that could compare them? I will use it on furniture and refinishing some exterior doors
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Mike I couldn’t see if this link showed up so here it is again. This is the one I was trying not to rectangular one.
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On Dec 14, 2024, at 10:13?AM, Michael Marsico via groups.io <michael.marsico1@...> wrote:
? Thanks Mac – sounds like a good endorsement ? ? Hello Mike I was at my neighbor Tim’s last week and he let me try out his Mikra pretty sure it was a 5 inch random orbital not the square pad that you’re asking about but I can tell you it was one beautiful little tool to use. My friend Tim is high top quality finisher. He has a few of these and also use has at the University of Wisconsin workplace and if he says they’re good they’re damn good. I only sanded with it for two minutes, so not a very good reference that way, but Tim swears by the damn thing and he is very very fussy when it comes to finishing or cabinet work in general so I trust his advice. Best mac,,, Designing and building for 50 years ? I am looking at getting a 3x4 sander. ?I have festool sanders which i like but the 3x4 is taller than i prefer and was looking at these two sanders. ?Does anyone have experience with them both that could compare them? I will use it on furniture and refinishing some exterior doors
-- Michael Marsico
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I second what Mac said.
I have a Mirka 5" RO sander.? It is a good sander.? It's a paddle sander, not a switch-type, something to keep in mind.
I had a 3M, sold it, like the Mirka better.
If you get 20% off coupons from Zoro, you may be able to get a decent price.
cheers,??? Rich M.
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I think it is the 6" Mirka.? I have used it and the comparable Festool at a woodworking shop/school where I frequently take classes.? I'm saving for one--it's terrific.? Jeff On Sat, Dec 14, 2024 at 1:21?PM Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression via <airtightclamps= [email protected]> wrote:
Mike I couldn’t see if this link showed up so here it is again. This is the one I was trying not to rectangular one.
Designing and building for 50 years On Dec 14, 2024, at 10:13?AM, Michael Marsico via <michael.marsico1=[email protected]> wrote:
? Thanks Mac – sounds like a good endorsement ? ? Hello Mike I was at my neighbor Tim’s last week and he let me try out his Mikra pretty sure it was a 5 inch random orbital not the square pad that you’re asking about but I can tell you it was one beautiful little tool to use. My friend Tim is high top quality finisher. He has a few of these and also use has at the University of Wisconsin workplace and if he says they’re good they’re damn good. I only sanded with it for two minutes, so not a very good reference that way, but Tim swears by the damn thing and he is very very fussy when it comes to finishing or cabinet work in general so I trust his advice. Best mac,,, martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure
7412 elmwood ave.
middleton, wi 53562-3106
608-332-2330?cell Designing and building for 50 years ? I am looking at getting a 3x4 sander.? I have festool sanders which i like but the 3x4 is taller than i prefer and was looking at these two sanders.? Does anyone have experience with them both that could compare them? I will use it on furniture and refinishing some exterior doors
-- Michael Marsico
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Yes it did show up thanks for the comments !
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Mike I couldn’t see if this link showed up so here it is again. This is the one I was trying not to rectangular one.
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On Dec 14, 2024, at 10:13?AM, Michael Marsico via groups.io <michael.marsico1@...> wrote:
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Thanks Mac – sounds like a good endorsement
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Hello Mike
I was at my neighbor Tim’s last week and he let me try out his Mikra pretty sure it was a 5 inch random orbital not the square pad that you’re asking about but I can tell you it was one beautiful little tool to use. My friend Tim is high
top quality finisher. He has a few of these and also use has at the University of Wisconsin workplace and if he says they’re good they’re damn good.
I only sanded with it for two minutes, so not a very good reference that way, but Tim swears by the damn thing and he is very very fussy when it comes to finishing or cabinet work in general so I trust his advice.
Best mac,,,
Designing and building for 50 years
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I am looking at getting a 3x4 sander. ?I have festool sanders which i like but the 3x4 is taller than i prefer and was looking at these two sanders. ?Does anyone have experience with them both that could compare them?
I will use it on furniture and refinishing some exterior doors
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Michael Marsico
-- Michael Marsico
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I have been using a 5" Mirka Deros since 2020. It just went kaput one day a couple weeks ago. Sent it in for service, they made it a very easy process. Came back with virtually every part replaced. Cost $320. It gets used a lot.?
A finisher of mine uses the Surfprep and likes them a lot.?
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Thanks Jason - I have read really good things about both of them … probably cant go wrong with either
I have been using a 5" Mirka Deros since 2020. It just went kaput one day a couple weeks ago. Sent it in for service, they made it a very easy process. Came back with virtually every part replaced. Cost $320. It gets used a lot.?
A finisher of mine uses the Surfprep and likes them a lot.?
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
612.432.2765
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Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
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Michael Marsico
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Hi Michael,?
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I have the Mirka 6" random orbit sander and I really like it. With the sander in hand I don't notice the paddle switch. For shop work I wouldn't hesitate to go all-in on Mirka. If you opt for Mirka, I suggest getting one of their ~18" hose sections which can thread directly onto the sander, this makes for a more well-balanced sander which is easier to handle.?
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If you're on the go, I'd suggest also considering the new Makita sanders. I recently ordered a Makita BO005CGZ 80mm x 133mm sander and I really like it. Very similar ergonomics to the Mirka Deros and Deos sanders, with the benefit of being cordless, running on the Makita 40V XGT platform. At present, the only way to get these sanders is to import from Japan or the UK via e-bay sellers, though it does look like Makita USA will be introducing the 6" 5mm random orbit sanders in early 2025, presumably with the others (6" 3mm, 5" 5mm, 5" 3mm, 80x133, and Delta) to come some time later.?
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Makita GOB01CZ: ?
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Standard 27mm hose bayonets fit the Makita XGT sanders fine, though for more finesse I suggest using a Makita vac as their hose will thread onto a special adapter, similar setup as the Mirka. I make extensive use of my Makita GCV04PMUX, best when paired with 8.0Ah batteries: ?
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Hope this is helpful,?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Michael,
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I have used the SurfPrep 3x4 and subsequently bought and use a Ekasand 3x4 from Uneeda.? They seem to be identical and the Ekasand had a longer warranty.? Prices are the same, but Uneeda has far more sales than Surfprep.??
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I use the sander with the sponge sandpaper and I am very happy with it.? It excels at working on finishes and I have yet to see a pigtail from it ever.? Lots of shops use them to scuff before coats and the results are far better than hand sanding.
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There are lots of videos out there on them and how to use it on doors etc.
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They sell an adaptor to use it with the festool vacuums.
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PK
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Michael,
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I have used the SurfPrep 3x4 and subsequently bought and use a Ekasand 3x4 from Uneeda.? They seem to be identical and the Ekasand had a longer warranty.? Prices are the same, but Uneeda has far more sales than Surfprep.??
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I use the sander with the sponge sandpaper and I am very happy with it.? It excels at working on finishes and I have yet to see a pigtail from it ever.? Lots of shops use them to scuff before coats and the results are far better than hand sanding.
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There are lots of videos out there on them and how to use it on doors etc.
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They sell an adaptor to use it with the festool vacuums.
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PK
-- Michael Marsico
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Tom thanks that is helpful
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Hi Michael,?
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I have the Mirka 6" random orbit sander and I really like it. With the sander in hand I don't notice the paddle switch. For shop work I wouldn't hesitate to go all-in on Mirka. If you opt for Mirka, I suggest getting one of their ~18" hose sections which
can thread directly onto the sander, this makes for a more well-balanced sander which is easier to handle.?
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If you're on the go, I'd suggest also considering the new Makita sanders. I recently ordered a Makita BO005CGZ 80mm x 133mm sander and I really like it. Very similar ergonomics to the Mirka Deros and Deos sanders, with the benefit of being cordless, running
on the Makita 40V XGT platform. At present, the only way to get these sanders is to import from Japan or the UK via e-bay sellers, though it does look like Makita USA will be introducing the 6" 5mm random orbit sanders in early 2025, presumably with the others
(6" 3mm, 5" 5mm, 5" 3mm, 80x133, and Delta) to come some time later.?
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Makita GOB01CZ: ?
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Standard 27mm hose bayonets fit the Makita XGT sanders fine, though for more finesse I suggest using a Makita vac as their hose will thread onto a special adapter, similar setup as the Mirka. I make extensive use of my Makita GCV04PMUX, best when paired
with 8.0Ah batteries: ?
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Hope this is helpful,?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
-- Michael Marsico
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I have an older model, the Ceos, with a 150mm pad. The difference between the Ceos and the Deos is that the Deos comes with the transformer built into the sander, while the Ceos requires an external, separate transformer. As a result the Ceos is a little lighter in the hand, but the Deos is more convenient to set up.?
I love using this little sander, which was purchased over a Festool. It is especially kind to us physically when planing vertical sections - obviously originally made for the motor refinishing industry. The paddle will feel unusual at the start, and then is forgotten once you become familiar with the sander. Mine is the lowest sander in vibration I use used, and the dust control is the absolute best (used with Mirka mesh and a Festool vacuum).?
Regards from Perth
Derek
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I have owned both the mirka 6” deros and 3x5 deos rectangle sander. Ended up selling both of them in favor of the Ekasand 3x4 and 6”. My main shop sander is now a 6” festool, the 6” Ekasand is used as a loaner, backup and for buffing oil finishes. ?My main reason for selling the deos 3x5 and getting an Ekasand 3x4 is simply because it was more compact and fit into tighter spaces. I have partnered with Ekasand as well so if anyone is interested in a 20% discount code, feel free to send me a PM.? By the way, uneeda Ekasand, surfprep, and airvantage are all the same tools with different colors.? Side note, whether anyone is in the Milwaukee m12 platform or not, the detail sander is a phenomenal little tool and has earned its spot in my install kit. It can be had with a free battery for under $150. Highly recommended that guy, it’s a true orbital unlike until tool style detail sanding pads.?
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On Dec 14, 2024, at 7:32?PM, Derek Cohen via groups.io <derekcohen@...> wrote:
? I have an older model, the Ceos, with a 150mm pad. The difference between the Ceos and the Deos is that the Deos comes with the transformer built into the sander, while the Ceos requires an external, separate transformer. As a result the Ceos is a little lighter in the hand, but the Deos is more convenient to set up.?
I love using this little sander, which was purchased over a Festool. It is especially kind to us physically when planing vertical sections - obviously originally made for the motor refinishing industry. The paddle will feel unusual at the start, and then is forgotten once you become familiar with the sander. Mine is the lowest sander in vibration I use used, and the dust control is the absolute best (used with Mirka mesh and a Festool vacuum).?
Regards from Perth
Derek
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Good feedback Dan. I'm a big fan of the M12 family, but I do not have the detail sander (yet).
I have relied on hand sanding for crown molding and similar profiles. Does the Ekasand with the sanding sponge manage detail sanding of those profiles? I'd like to reduce the fatigue and time to readying for finishing.
Thanks
Jim Gaynor On Monday, December 16, 2024 at 10:32:06 AM EST, Dan Gavrilyuk via groups.io <dgwoodco@...> wrote:
I have owned both the mirka 6” deros and 3x5 deos rectangle sander. Ended up selling both of them in favor of the Ekasand 3x4 and 6”. My main shop sander is now a 6” festool, the 6” Ekasand is used as a loaner, backup and for buffing oil finishes. ?My main reason for selling the deos 3x5 and getting an Ekasand 3x4 is simply because it was more compact and fit into tighter spaces. I have partnered with Ekasand as well so if anyone is interested in a 20% discount code, feel free to send me a PM.? By the way, uneeda Ekasand, surfprep, and airvantage are all the same tools with different colors.? Side note, whether anyone is in the Milwaukee m12 platform or not, the detail sander is a phenomenal little tool and has earned its spot in my install kit. It can be had with a free battery for under $150. Highly recommended that guy, it’s a true orbital unlike until tool style detail sanding pads.?
On Dec 14, 2024, at 7:32?PM, Derek Cohen via groups.io <derekcohen@...> wrote:
? I have an older model, the Ceos, with a 150mm pad. The difference between the Ceos and the Deos is that the Deos comes with the transformer built into the sander, while the Ceos requires an external, separate transformer. As a result the Ceos is a little lighter in the hand, but the Deos is more convenient to set up.?
I love using this little sander, which was purchased over a Festool. It is especially kind to us physically when planing vertical sections - obviously originally made for the motor refinishing industry. The paddle will feel unusual at the start, and then is forgotten once you become familiar with the sander. Mine is the lowest sander in vibration I use used, and the dust control is the absolute best (used with Mirka mesh and a Festool vacuum).?
Regards from Perth Derek
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Yes the sander has cut down on my sanding time for detailed surfaces like crown. it all depends on the pad you use though as the 1/2” sponges wear rather quickly and cut through the surface on sharp edges. I think the surfprep sponges take the edge over Ekasand sponge pads in durability.?
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On Dec 16, 2024, at 7:55?PM, Jim Gaynor via groups.io <jgaynor57@...> wrote:
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Good feedback Dan. I'm a big fan of the M12 family, but I do not have the detail sander (yet).
I have relied on hand sanding for crown molding and similar profiles. Does the Ekasand with the sanding sponge manage detail sanding of those profiles? I'd like to reduce the fatigue and time to readying for finishing.
Thanks
Jim Gaynor On Monday, December 16, 2024 at 10:32:06 AM EST, Dan Gavrilyuk via groups.io <dgwoodco@...> wrote:
I have owned both the mirka 6” deros and 3x5 deos rectangle sander. Ended up selling both of them in favor of the Ekasand 3x4 and 6”. My main shop sander is now a 6” festool, the 6” Ekasand is used as a loaner, backup and for buffing oil finishes. ?My main reason for selling the deos 3x5 and getting an Ekasand 3x4 is simply because it was more compact and fit into tighter spaces. I have partnered with Ekasand as well so if anyone is interested in a 20% discount code, feel free to send me a PM.? By the way, uneeda Ekasand, surfprep, and airvantage are all the same tools with different colors.? Side note, whether anyone is in the Milwaukee m12 platform or not, the detail sander is a phenomenal little tool and has earned its spot in my install kit. It can be had with a free battery for under $150. Highly recommended that guy, it’s a true orbital unlike until tool style detail sanding pads.? On Dec 14, 2024, at 7:32?PM, Derek Cohen via groups.io <derekcohen@...> wrote:
? I have an older model, the Ceos, with a 150mm pad. The difference between the Ceos and the Deos is that the Deos comes with the transformer built into the sander, while the Ceos requires an external, separate transformer. As a result the Ceos is a little lighter in the hand, but the Deos is more convenient to set up.?
I love using this little sander, which was purchased over a Festool. It is especially kind to us physically when planing vertical sections - obviously originally made for the motor refinishing industry. The paddle will feel unusual at the start, and then is forgotten once you become familiar with the sander. Mine is the lowest sander in vibration I use used, and the dust control is the absolute best (used with Mirka mesh and a Festool vacuum).?
Regards from Perth Derek
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just checked zoro and they don't seem to carry DEOS lineup only older ones.? Do you have a link to the deos model?
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Hi Alex,?
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Acme Tools has a few Mirka Deos options, including the smaller pad being mentioned above: ?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Jeff
Jason Holtz
Tom Gensmer
PK
Dan Gavrilyuk