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When I was at the Felder office and checking out all the machines, I noticed how smooth the sliding table was on their showroom Kappa 400.? I just glided with zero effort and zero sound ( I'm hearing impaired, so I can't hear it it made a sound or not..haha)
anyways, I was looking at my sliding table on my K975 and while it glides smoothly, it was not quite like the one at the Felder office.? I was looking into having the bearings changed on mine but was assured by Jason, that mine were fine, and to just clean the track with a maroon scotch bright pad or, take a block of wood with some 400 grit sandpaper and run it along the track. Greg Bryson also said to take some Ballistol spray and spray it along the track as well and this should make the sliding table as smooth rolling at the one in the showroom.. gonna give it a try
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I have used Ballistol? on my Hammer slider for years.
It really works, you will notice a difference..
I put it on a folded gun cleaning patch and clean
and lube the rails on the slider and chassis.
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Jerry P
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You will find cleaning the outrigger slide on all 4 sides will help with the smoothness, just don't use any type of lube that dust will stick to. I do this monthly. If you try using an abrasive make sure you get rid of the grit unless you want to really change your bearings.
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:40 AM Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote: When I was at the Felder office and checking out all the machines, I noticed how smooth the sliding table was on their showroom Kappa 400.? I just glided with zero effort and zero sound ( I'm hearing impaired, so I can't hear it it made a sound or not..haha)
anyways, I was looking at my sliding table on my K975 and while it glides smoothly, it was not quite like the one at the Felder office.? I was looking into having the bearings changed on mine but was assured by Jason, that mine were fine, and to just clean the track with a maroon scotch bright pad or, take a block of wood with some 400 grit sandpaper and run it along the track. Greg Bryson also said to take some Ballistol spray and spray it along the track as well and this should make the sliding table as smooth rolling at the one in the showroom.. gonna give it a try
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I struggled with my K915 as it would start to feel a bit ¡°lumpy¡± and it was the rectangular outrigger bar that needed cleaning not the table.? The rollers in there seem to attract sawdust. Just unhook the outrigger and see if it makes a difference for you....
Bill Belanger?
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 06:40 Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote: When I was at the Felder office and checking out all the machines, I noticed how smooth the sliding table was on their showroom Kappa 400.? I just glided with zero effort and zero sound ( I'm hearing impaired, so I can't hear it it made a sound or not..haha)
anyways, I was looking at my sliding table on my K975 and while it glides smoothly, it was not quite like the one at the Felder office.? I was looking into having the bearings changed on mine but was assured by Jason, that mine were fine, and to just clean the track with a maroon scotch bright pad or, take a block of wood with some 400 grit sandpaper and run it along the track. Greg Bryson also said to take some Ballistol spray and spray it along the track as well and this should make the sliding table as smooth rolling at the one in the showroom.. gonna give it a try
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I was concerned about using any form of lubricant and voiced this concern to Greg, who is their head tech and he assured me that the ballistol spray was the only spray that was Felder approved for this application..so I figured I cant go wrong..
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 06:09:38 AM PST, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:
You will find cleaning the outrigger slide on all 4 sides will help with the smoothness, just don't use any type of lube that dust will stick to. I do this monthly. If you try using an abrasive make sure you get rid of the grit unless you want to really change your bearings.
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:40 AM Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote: When I was at the Felder office and checking out all the machines, I noticed how smooth the sliding table was on their showroom Kappa 400.? I just glided with zero effort and zero sound ( I'm hearing impaired, so I can't hear it it made a sound or not..haha)
anyways, I was looking at my sliding table on my K975 and while it glides smoothly, it was not quite like the one at the Felder office.? I was looking into having the bearings changed on mine but was assured by Jason, that mine were fine, and to just clean the track with a maroon scotch bright pad or, take a block of wood with some 400 grit sandpaper and run it along the track. Greg Bryson also said to take some Ballistol spray and spray it along the track as well and this should make the sliding table as smooth rolling at the one in the showroom.. gonna give it a try
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I'll give that a try too.. thanks Bill..
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 06:14:29 AM PST, Bill B¨¦langer <bllblngr@...> wrote:
I struggled with my K915 as it would start to feel a bit ¡°lumpy¡± and it was the rectangular outrigger bar that needed cleaning not the table.? The rollers in there seem to attract sawdust. Just unhook the outrigger and see if it makes a difference for you....
Bill Belanger?
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 06:40 Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote: When I was at the Felder office and checking out all the machines, I noticed how smooth the sliding table was on their showroom Kappa 400.? I just glided with zero effort and zero sound ( I'm hearing impaired, so I can't hear it it made a sound or not..haha)
anyways, I was looking at my sliding table on my K975 and while it glides smoothly, it was not quite like the one at the Felder office.? I was looking into having the bearings changed on mine but was assured by Jason, that mine were fine, and to just clean the track with a maroon scotch bright pad or, take a block of wood with some 400 grit sandpaper and run it along the track. Greg Bryson also said to take some Ballistol spray and spray it along the track as well and this should make the sliding table as smooth rolling at the one in the showroom.. gonna give it a try
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Felder recently published a TSB recommending Ballistol
as a slider lube.? This was discussed on Sawmill Creek.
My slider is in an un heated workshop in NE Ohio.
When I use it removes some light rust from the steel
rails.? I would not use any abrasives on the rails unless
absolutely necessary.? You want to keep the polished
surface and not scuff it up..
Felder does have Ballistol available on there web site.?
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Jerry P
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I wonder if the? Ballistol multipurpose available on amazon is the same as the universal on Felders site, I emailed the company but never got a response. Maybe the SDS will reveal the differences...Regards, Mark
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On Jan 29, 2020, at 9:53 AM, Jerry P <Jerry-Pac-Man@...> wrote:
?Felder recently published a TSB recommending Ballistol
as a slider lube.? This was discussed on Sawmill Creek.
My slider is in an un heated workshop in NE Ohio.
When I use it removes some light rust from the steel
rails.? I would not use any abrasives on the rails unless
absolutely necessary.? You want to keep the polished
surface and not scuff it up..
Felder does have Ballistol available on there web site.?
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Jerry P
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I use hydraulic jack oil Taylor Donsker www.tdonsker.com 818.424.9046
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On Jan 29, 2020, at 7:04 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? I wonder if the? Ballistol multipurpose available on amazon is the same as the universal on Felders site, I emailed the company but never got a response. Maybe the SDS will reveal the differences...Regards, Mark On Jan 29, 2020, at 9:53 AM, Jerry P <Jerry-Pac-Man@...> wrote:
?Felder recently published a TSB recommending Ballistol
as a slider lube.? This was discussed on Sawmill Creek.
My slider is in an un heated workshop in NE Ohio.
When I use it removes some light rust from the steel
rails.? I would not use any abrasives on the rails unless
absolutely necessary.? You want to keep the polished
surface and not scuff it up..
Felder does have Ballistol available on there web site.?
--
Jerry P
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What is the difference between WD40 and Ballistol? ?
They both appear to be around 60% Aliphatic Hydrocarbon with some additives.
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I wonder if the? Ballistol multipurpose available on amazon is the same as the universal on Felders site, I emailed the company but never got a response. Maybe the SDS will reveal the differences...Regards, Mark ?Felder recently published a TSB recommending Ballistol
as a slider lube.? This was discussed on Sawmill Creek.
My slider is in an un heated workshop in NE Ohio.
When I use it removes some light rust from the steel
rails.? I would not use any abrasives on the rails unless
absolutely necessary.? You want to keep the polished
surface and not scuff it up..
Felder does have Ballistol available on there web site.?
--
Jerry P
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Slider track cleaning is on my list of things on the new for me (used) K975. I have some time on my hand while in Pakistan and stumbled on a video on utube on slider maintenance. The interesting thing I learned is that the steel guides in some cases are glued therefore one needs to be careful about what to use and how to apply. So spray the cleaner on cloth and then apply to the guide. Likely not applicable to Felder but can anyone let me know how Felder and Hammer guides are secured?
Imran On Jan 29, 2020, at 8:04 PM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? I wonder if the? Ballistol multipurpose available on amazon is the same as the universal on Felders site, I emailed the company but never got a response. Maybe the SDS will reveal the differences...Regards, Mark On Jan 29, 2020, at 9:53 AM, Jerry P <Jerry-Pac-Man@...> wrote:
?Felder recently published a TSB recommending Ballistol
as a slider lube.? This was discussed on Sawmill Creek.
My slider is in an un heated workshop in NE Ohio.
When I use it removes some light rust from the steel
rails.? I would not use any abrasives on the rails unless
absolutely necessary.? You want to keep the polished
surface and not scuff it up..
Felder does have Ballistol available on there web site.?
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Jerry P
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I'll check mine Imran and let you know
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 07:24:43 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Slider track cleaning is on my list of things on the new for me (used) K975. I have some time on my hand while in Pakistan and stumbled on a video on utube on slider maintenance. The interesting thing I learned is that the steel guides in some cases are glued therefore one needs to be careful about what to use and how to apply. So spray the cleaner on cloth and then apply to the guide. Likely not applicable to Felder but can anyone let me know how Felder and Hammer guides are secured?
Imran On Jan 29, 2020, at 8:04 PM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? I wonder if the? Ballistol multipurpose available on amazon is the same as the universal on Felders site, I emailed the company but never got a response. Maybe the SDS will reveal the differences...Regards, Mark On Jan 29, 2020, at 9:53 AM, Jerry P <Jerry-Pac-Man@...> wrote:
?Felder recently published a TSB recommending Ballistol
as a slider lube.? This was discussed on Sawmill Creek.
My slider is in an un heated workshop in NE Ohio.
When I use it removes some light rust from the steel
rails.? I would not use any abrasives on the rails unless
absolutely necessary.? You want to keep the polished
surface and not scuff it up..
Felder does have Ballistol available on there web site.?
--
Jerry P
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Ok..upon close examination, it appears that the track is dovetailed in..
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 07:24:43 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Slider track cleaning is on my list of things on the new for me (used) K975. I have some time on my hand while in Pakistan and stumbled on a video on utube on slider maintenance. The interesting thing I learned is that the steel guides in some cases are glued therefore one needs to be careful about what to use and how to apply. So spray the cleaner on cloth and then apply to the guide. Likely not applicable to Felder but can anyone let me know how Felder and Hammer guides are secured?
Imran On Jan 29, 2020, at 8:04 PM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? I wonder if the? Ballistol multipurpose available on amazon is the same as the universal on Felders site, I emailed the company but never got a response. Maybe the SDS will reveal the differences...Regards, Mark On Jan 29, 2020, at 9:53 AM, Jerry P <Jerry-Pac-Man@...> wrote:
?Felder recently published a TSB recommending Ballistol
as a slider lube.? This was discussed on Sawmill Creek.
My slider is in an un heated workshop in NE Ohio.
When I use it removes some light rust from the steel
rails.? I would not use any abrasives on the rails unless
absolutely necessary.? You want to keep the polished
surface and not scuff it up..
Felder does have Ballistol available on there web site.?
--
Jerry P
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This is new for Felder to actually recommend a slider lube/cleaner. For years it was always clean with a dry clean cloth. Anything with Felder sliders was always no oils. Can't speak for other manufacturers but they have all guide issues over the years.?
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I'll check mine Imran and let you know
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 07:24:43 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Slider track cleaning is on my list of things on the new for me (used) K975. I have some time on my hand while in Pakistan and stumbled on a video on utube on slider maintenance. The interesting thing I learned is that the steel guides in some cases are glued therefore one needs to be careful about what to use and how to apply. So spray the cleaner on cloth and then apply to the guide. Likely not applicable to Felder but can anyone let me know how Felder and Hammer guides are secured?
Imran On Jan 29, 2020, at 8:04 PM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? I wonder if the? Ballistol multipurpose available on amazon is the same as the universal on Felders site, I emailed the company but never got a response. Maybe the SDS will reveal the differences...Regards, Mark On Jan 29, 2020, at 9:53 AM, Jerry P <Jerry-Pac-Man@...> wrote:
?Felder recently published a TSB recommending Ballistol
as a slider lube.? This was discussed on Sawmill Creek.
My slider is in an un heated workshop in NE Ohio.
When I use it removes some light rust from the steel
rails.? I would not use any abrasives on the rails unless
absolutely necessary.? You want to keep the polished
surface and not scuff it up..
Felder does have Ballistol available on there web site.?
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Jerry P
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Excerpt from 2010 K700S manual.?
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-------- Original message -------- From: "Randy Child via Groups.Io" <strongman_one@...> Date: 2020-01-29 10:41 a.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] Lubricant for sliding table
Ok..upon close examination, it appears that the track is dovetailed in..
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 07:24:43 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Slider track cleaning is on my list of things on the new for me (used) K975. I have some time on my hand while in Pakistan and stumbled on a video on utube on slider maintenance. The interesting thing I learned is that the steel guides in some cases are glued therefore one needs to be careful about what to use and how to apply. So spray the cleaner on cloth and then apply to the guide. Likely not applicable to Felder but can anyone let me know how Felder and Hammer guides are secured?
Imran On Jan 29, 2020, at 8:04 PM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? I wonder if the? Ballistol multipurpose available on amazon is the same as the universal on Felders site, I emailed the company but never got a response. Maybe the SDS will reveal the differences...Regards, Mark On Jan 29, 2020, at 9:53 AM, Jerry P <Jerry-Pac-Man@...> wrote:
?Felder recently published a TSB recommending Ballistol
as a slider lube.? This was discussed on Sawmill Creek.
My slider is in an un heated workshop in NE Ohio.
When I use it removes some light rust from the steel
rails.? I would not use any abrasives on the rails unless
absolutely necessary.? You want to keep the polished
surface and not scuff it up..
Felder does have Ballistol available on there web site.?
--
Jerry P
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Yes , this just came out when my saw was delivered in Oct it was recommended to not blow air hard on the rails and just a dry wipe, red scotchbrite if needed. Wonder if it helps with conductivity of the lv rails on the sliders with the on/off on the slide and they just made it a standard recommendation for all Regards, Mark
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On Jan 29, 2020, at 10:47 AM, jmkserv@... wrote:
? This is new for Felder to actually recommend a slider lube/cleaner. For years it was always clean with a dry clean cloth. Anything with Felder sliders was always no oils. Can't speak for other manufacturers but they have all guide issues over the years.?
-------- Original message -------- From: "Randy Child via Groups.Io" <strongman_one@...> Date: 2020-01-29 10:35 a.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] Lubricant for sliding table
I'll check mine Imran and let you know
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 07:24:43 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Slider track cleaning is on my list of things on the new for me (used) K975. I have some time on my hand while in Pakistan and stumbled on a video on utube on slider maintenance. The interesting thing I learned is that the steel guides in some cases are glued therefore one needs to be careful about what to use and how to apply. So spray the cleaner on cloth and then apply to the guide. Likely not applicable to Felder but can anyone let me know how Felder and Hammer guides are secured?
Imran On Jan 29, 2020, at 8:04 PM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? I wonder if the? Ballistol multipurpose available on amazon is the same as the universal on Felders site, I emailed the company but never got a response. Maybe the SDS will reveal the differences...Regards, Mark On Jan 29, 2020, at 9:53 AM, Jerry P <Jerry-Pac-Man@...> wrote:
?Felder recently published a TSB recommending Ballistol
as a slider lube.? This was discussed on Sawmill Creek.
My slider is in an un heated workshop in NE Ohio.
When I use it removes some light rust from the steel
rails.? I would not use any abrasives on the rails unless
absolutely necessary.? You want to keep the polished
surface and not scuff it up..
Felder does have Ballistol available on there web site.?
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Jerry P
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That was from 10 years ago.. I guess maybe things have changed now.. I'm just going off what the Felder tech told me to use..it really seems to help..I made sure I wiped off the tracks afterwards?
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 07:52:22 AM PST, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:
Excerpt from 2010 K700S manual.?
-------- Original message -------- From: "Randy Child via Groups.Io" <strongman_one@...> Date: 2020-01-29 10:41 a.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] Lubricant for sliding table
Ok..upon close examination, it appears that the track is dovetailed in..
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 07:24:43 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Slider track cleaning is on my list of things on the new for me (used) K975. I have some time on my hand while in Pakistan and stumbled on a video on utube on slider maintenance. The interesting thing I learned is that the steel guides in some cases are glued therefore one needs to be careful about what to use and how to apply. So spray the cleaner on cloth and then apply to the guide. Likely not applicable to Felder but can anyone let me know how Felder and Hammer guides are secured?
Imran On Jan 29, 2020, at 8:04 PM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? I wonder if the? Ballistol multipurpose available on amazon is the same as the universal on Felders site, I emailed the company but never got a response. Maybe the SDS will reveal the differences...Regards, Mark On Jan 29, 2020, at 9:53 AM, Jerry P <Jerry-Pac-Man@...> wrote:
?Felder recently published a TSB recommending Ballistol
as a slider lube.? This was discussed on Sawmill Creek.
My slider is in an un heated workshop in NE Ohio.
When I use it removes some light rust from the steel
rails.? I would not use any abrasives on the rails unless
absolutely necessary.? You want to keep the polished
surface and not scuff it up..
Felder does have Ballistol available on there web site.?
--
Jerry P
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I had the same question, still Looking but here is one article that may interest a few.
Imran? On Jan 29, 2020, at 8:23 PM, bacchus6015 <dohertyj@...> wrote:
? What is the difference between WD40 and Ballistol? ?
They both appear to be around 60% Aliphatic Hydrocarbon with some additives.
I wonder if the? Ballistol multipurpose available on amazon is the same as the universal on Felders site, I emailed the company but never got a response. Maybe the SDS will reveal the differences...Regards, Mark ?Felder recently published a TSB recommending Ballistol
as a slider lube.? This was discussed on Sawmill Creek.
My slider is in an un heated workshop in NE Ohio.
When I use it removes some light rust from the steel
rails.? I would not use any abrasives on the rails unless
absolutely necessary.? You want to keep the polished
surface and not scuff it up..
Felder does have Ballistol available on there web site.?
--
Jerry P
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Ok.. to clean the track of the slider, I used the maroon colored scotch pad and did all the tracks to get all the build up off..worked very well..make sure you really work the pad against the tracks and clean them off afterwards.. then I used the ballistol and sprayed it directly onto the track both on the bottom carriage and the slider as well and ran the sliding table back and forth really working it in.. then I added a straw to the ballistol and got down where I could just make out the bearings and gave a squirt into them.. all 4 sets and worked the slider back and forth for a few more minutes..then I cleanly wiped off all the parts woth a clean rag and made sure everything was wiped down and no drips or runs.? Slider rolls so smooth now..
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 08:53:50 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
I had the same question, still Looking but here is one article that may interest a few.
Imran? On Jan 29, 2020, at 8:23 PM, bacchus6015 <dohertyj@...> wrote:
? What is the difference between WD40 and Ballistol? ?
They both appear to be around 60% Aliphatic Hydrocarbon with some additives.
I wonder if the? Ballistol multipurpose available on amazon is the same as the universal on Felders site, I emailed the company but never got a response. Maybe the SDS will reveal the differences...Regards, Mark ?Felder recently published a TSB recommending Ballistol
as a slider lube.? This was discussed on Sawmill Creek.
My slider is in an un heated workshop in NE Ohio.
When I use it removes some light rust from the steel
rails.? I would not use any abrasives on the rails unless
absolutely necessary.? You want to keep the polished
surface and not scuff it up..
Felder does have Ballistol available on there web site.?
--
Jerry P
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Fwiw, there's been fierce debate in the machine tool and mechanical universe for decades about WD40.? At one end of the spectrum?are those who believe it's a miracle product and at the other end those who wouldn't let it inside their shop, and of course everywhere in between.? I don't think this will ever be settled "scientifically", though there are many people who've done tests with various degrees of rigor.? ?But aside from the WD40 fanatics, I think most people agree that it's a fine general purpose thing, but in any specific use, there are superior products.? For example, as a rust preventative, LPS,? Boeshield, et. al. are way better.
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:53 AM imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: I had the same question, still Looking but here is one article that may interest a few.
Imran? On Jan 29, 2020, at 8:23 PM, bacchus6015 <dohertyj@...> wrote:
?What is the difference between WD40 and Ballistol? ?
They both appear to be around 60% Aliphatic Hydrocarbon with some additives.
I wonder if the? Ballistol multipurpose available on amazon is the same as the universal on Felders site, I emailed the company but never got a response. Maybe the SDS will reveal the differences...Regards, Mark ?Felder recently published a TSB recommending Ballistol
as a slider lube.? This was discussed on Sawmill Creek.
My slider is in an un heated workshop in NE Ohio.
When I use it removes some light rust from the steel
rails.? I would not use any abrasives on the rails unless
absolutely necessary.? You want to keep the polished
surface and not scuff it up..
Felder does have Ballistol available on there web site.?
--
Jerry P
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Bill Belanger
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