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Hello Felder group! I looked at 1994 BF6-26 today. It has a 10" planer / jointer, single trunnion slider with no outrigger, table saw and shaper. It's 220V / single phase. No mortiser. It's a hobbyist machine that's been through two owners. It has no tooling to speak of and doesn't look like it's been all that well maintained, nor has it been used by very expert hands (the slider has had a few run-ins with a tilted blade. Everything is level and square. Nothing's frozen, everything moves, all motors work. Planer knives are clean, no knicks. I didn't put a dial indicator on the blade, but the was no vibration. While I was testing it out the jointer cutting head stopped moving while the motor kept going. The current keeper (his elderly neighbor gave it to him) and I figure a belt broke.? I'm interested, but given the recent threads about end of service / lack of inventory for the BF series and how expensive parts are getting, I'm wary. I'm sure it would clean up and run fine for another generation or two. But… Reason's I'm interested…
- My shop shares our two car garage with--two cars. Space is at a premium.
- The build quality and versatility--even at this age--seem superior to comparable machines from delta or jet--plus--a slider!
- It's 14 miles from my house
- I may need to anchor a small freighter in heavy seas some day
My other option would be a cabinet saw and a planer/jointer combo like the 80's era makita / hitachi's that I could roll out of the way. I could handle many of my shaper tasks with my routers. As I said above, the machine was given to the current by a neighbor who passed away. He doesn't really want it / need it. He's asking $4500. I'm thinking a lot less.? I'd love to hear what the experts think. Here are some pictures of the beast: Thanks! ben
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I assume it comes with at least one shaper spindle and there is a xcut and rip/jointer fence. If it has F coupling you may be able to at least make a auxiliary table like this.
Felder no longer makes it but it is a wonderful table if one does not have space for an outrigger or in your situation. I have one for my KF.
I will let people more familiar with older machines chime in with recommendations.
BTW, the nicks on slider edge near blade are common - at least based upon 2 saws that I have. I do not think it is possible for the slider to actually come in contact with the blade in normal running condition. I have them on my slider but have not actually seen it happen. I believe the blade flexes in a bad situation during ripping. The few times i have had chunks of wood fly off (one still embedded in drywall for keepsakes) the first concern is safety so if it happened then I did not realize it.
Imran
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On Jan 8, 2021, at 9:01 PM, Benjamin Thompson via groups.io <scribbleben@...> wrote: ? [Edited Message Follows]
Hello Felder group! I looked at 1994 BF6-26 today. It has a 10" planer / jointer, single trunnion slider with no outrigger, table saw and shaper. It's 220V / single phase. No mortiser. It's a hobbyist machine that's been through two owners. It has no tooling to speak of and doesn't look like it's been all that well maintained, nor has it been used by very expert hands (the slider has had a few run-ins with a tilted blade. Everything is level and square. Nothing's frozen, everything moves, all motors work. Planer knives are clean, no knicks. I didn't put a dial indicator on the blade, but the was no vibration. While I was testing it out the jointer cutting head stopped moving while the motor kept going. The current keeper (his elderly neighbor gave it to him) and I figure a belt broke.? I'm interested, but given the recent threads about end of service / lack of inventory for the BF series and how expensive parts are getting, I'm wary. I'm sure it would clean up and run fine for another generation or two. But… Reason's I'm interested…
- My shop shares our two car garage with--two cars. Space is at a premium.
- The build quality and versatility--even at this age--seem superior to comparable machines from delta or jet--plus--a slider!
- It's 14 miles from my house
- I may need to anchor a small freighter in heavy seas some day
My other option would be a cabinet saw and a planer/jointer combo like the 80's era makita / hitachi's that I could roll out of the way. I could handle many of my shaper tasks with my routers. As I said above, the machine was given to the current by a neighbor who passed away. He doesn't really want it / need it. He's asking $4500. I'm thinking a lot less.? I'd love to hear what the experts think. Here are some pictures of the beast: Thanks! ben
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Ben,
From the pictures the machine doesn't look that ill used.
Please don't be put off by the threads posted in the last few days, perhaps with the exception of the dust hood the parts that have been under discussion are cannot be considered as consumables..
The dust hood should have always been made in steel IMO not plastic but it was done for safety.
The BF 6's are good old fashioned engineering so with the exception of castings there is very little that cant be replicated in a good engineering shop. The electrics are all good old fashioned mechanical switch gear so not impossible to fix.
The machine has the dovetail or S clamp fitting on the cast tables for extension tables, Felder still supply the short cast iron table in this format? Ultimately you can replicate the older S coupling on several of the f coupling aluminium extensions with a
bit of engineering skill and a few off the shelf parts.
The sliding table has the F coupling so extensions for that are readily available for that side.
The outrigger table and arm is NLA but that is just another engineering challenge to modify newer parts.
The spindle moulder fence should be the aluminium 180 unit but the table should be pre drilled for the larger 230 fence with fine adjustment that was still available last time I checked.
All the belts are P9 poly vee so are available from any specialist suppliers, all the bearings are standard pattern ball race bearings.
Planner knives are still available
The only thing that be an issue is alternative sizes of spindle shaft, they are NLA, so check what it comes with, and whether it suits your supply of tooling.
It is on casters so you don't need to source a rolling carriage, but I would change them for ones that lock.
If everything still moves and runs and is just in need of a bit of TLC then it sounds like the opportunity to grab a bargain if the owner is sensible about the price. BF6 -26 will be a rare beast on your side of the pond.
If you do by it as a long term purchase there would be a few bits I would lay down as spares for the future but not many.
Hope this helps.
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Hello Felder group!
I looked at 1994 BF6-26 today. It has a 10" planer / jointer, single trunnion slider with no outrigger, table saw and shaper. It's 220V / single phase. No mortiser.
It's a hobbyist machine that's been through two owners. It has no tooling to speak of and doesn't look like it's been all that well maintained, nor has it been used by very expert hands (the slider has had a few run-ins with a tilted blade.
Everything is level and square. Nothing's frozen, everything moves, all motors work. Planer knives are clean, no knicks. I didn't put a dial indicator on the blade, but the was no vibration. While I was testing it out the jointer cutting head stopped moving
while the motor kept going. The current keeper (his elderly neighbor gave it to him) and I figure a belt broke.?
I'm interested, but given the recent threads about end of service / lack of inventory for the BF series and how expensive parts are getting, I'm wary.
I'm sure it would clean up and run fine for another generation or two. But…
Reason's I'm interested…
- My shop shares our two car garage with--two cars. Space is at a premium.
- The build quality and versatility--even at this age--seem superior to comparable machines from delta or jet--plus--a slider!
- It's 14 miles from my house
- I may need to anchor a small freighter in heavy seas some day
My other option would be a cabinet saw and a planer/jointer combo like the 80's era makita / hitachi's that I could roll out of the way. I could handle many of my shaper tasks with my routers.
Here are some pictures of the beast:
Thanks!
ben
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I’m thinking it’s worth about ?2000 I wouldn’t expect much more for my 631 with all the tooling and extensions etc. Felder still sell the cast iron s coupling table extensions for about ?200 Should you buy it... you bet you should and probably be looking to part with about ?1500 something like $1200 . Belts aren’t a problem nor bearings! Make the offer and walk away.... it’s the best he’ll get!
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On 9 Jan 2021, at 02:45, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? I assume it comes with at least one shaper spindle and there is a xcut and rip/jointer fence. If it has F coupling you may be able to at least make a auxiliary table like this.
Felder no longer makes it but it is a wonderful table if one does not have space for an outrigger or in your situation. I have one for my KF.
I will let people more familiar with older machines chime in with recommendations.
BTW, the nicks on slider edge near blade are common - at least based upon 2 saws that I have. I do not think it is possible for the slider to actually come in contact with the blade in normal running condition. I have them on my slider but have not actually seen it happen. I believe the blade flexes in a bad situation during ripping. The few times i have had chunks of wood fly off (one still embedded in drywall for keepsakes) the first concern is safety so if it happened then I did not realize it.
Imran
On Jan 8, 2021, at 9:01 PM, Benjamin Thompson via groups.io <scribbleben@...> wrote:
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Hello Felder group! I looked at 1994 BF6-26 today. It has a 10" planer / jointer, single trunnion slider with no outrigger, table saw and shaper. It's 220V / single phase. No mortiser. It's a hobbyist machine that's been through two owners. It has no tooling to speak of and doesn't look like it's been all that well maintained, nor has it been used by very expert hands (the slider has had a few run-ins with a tilted blade. Everything is level and square. Nothing's frozen, everything moves, all motors work. Planer knives are clean, no knicks. I didn't put a dial indicator on the blade, but the was no vibration. While I was testing it out the jointer cutting head stopped moving while the motor kept going. The current keeper (his elderly neighbor gave it to him) and I figure a belt broke.? I'm interested, but given the recent threads about end of service / lack of inventory for the BF series and how expensive parts are getting, I'm wary. I'm sure it would clean up and run fine for another generation or two. But… Reason's I'm interested…
- My shop shares our two car garage with--two cars. Space is at a premium.
- The build quality and versatility--even at this age--seem superior to comparable machines from delta or jet--plus--a slider!
- It's 14 miles from my house
- I may need to anchor a small freighter in heavy seas some day
My other option would be a cabinet saw and a planer/jointer combo like the 80's era makita / hitachi's that I could roll out of the way. I could handle many of my shaper tasks with my routers. As I said above, the machine was given to the current by a neighbor who passed away. He doesn't really want it / need it. He's asking $4500. I'm thinking a lot less.? I'd love to hear what the experts think. Here are some pictures of the beast: Thanks! ben
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Sorry... wrong way! $1750 . Also if you can’t move it yourself a buyer will have to arrange and pay! You’re just next door! Oh and the pictures! It looks like a goodun to me!
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On 9 Jan 2021, at 10:11, Martin Guiver <martin.guiver@...> wrote:
? I’m thinking it’s worth about ?2000 I wouldn’t expect much more for my 631 with all the tooling and extensions etc. Felder still sell the cast iron s coupling table extensions for about ?200 Should you buy it... you bet you should and probably be looking to part with about ?1500 something like $1200 . Belts aren’t a problem nor bearings! Make the offer and walk away.... it’s the best he’ll get! Martin? On 9 Jan 2021, at 02:45, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? I assume it comes with at least one shaper spindle and there is a xcut and rip/jointer fence. If it has F coupling you may be able to at least make a auxiliary table like this.
Felder no longer makes it but it is a wonderful table if one does not have space for an outrigger or in your situation. I have one for my KF.
I will let people more familiar with older machines chime in with recommendations.
BTW, the nicks on slider edge near blade are common - at least based upon 2 saws that I have. I do not think it is possible for the slider to actually come in contact with the blade in normal running condition. I have them on my slider but have not actually seen it happen. I believe the blade flexes in a bad situation during ripping. The few times i have had chunks of wood fly off (one still embedded in drywall for keepsakes) the first concern is safety so if it happened then I did not realize it.
Imran
On Jan 8, 2021, at 9:01 PM, Benjamin Thompson via groups.io <scribbleben@...> wrote:
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Hello Felder group! I looked at 1994 BF6-26 today. It has a 10" planer / jointer, single trunnion slider with no outrigger, table saw and shaper. It's 220V / single phase. No mortiser. It's a hobbyist machine that's been through two owners. It has no tooling to speak of and doesn't look like it's been all that well maintained, nor has it been used by very expert hands (the slider has had a few run-ins with a tilted blade. Everything is level and square. Nothing's frozen, everything moves, all motors work. Planer knives are clean, no knicks. I didn't put a dial indicator on the blade, but the was no vibration. While I was testing it out the jointer cutting head stopped moving while the motor kept going. The current keeper (his elderly neighbor gave it to him) and I figure a belt broke.? I'm interested, but given the recent threads about end of service / lack of inventory for the BF series and how expensive parts are getting, I'm wary. I'm sure it would clean up and run fine for another generation or two. But… Reason's I'm interested…
- My shop shares our two car garage with--two cars. Space is at a premium.
- The build quality and versatility--even at this age--seem superior to comparable machines from delta or jet--plus--a slider!
- It's 14 miles from my house
- I may need to anchor a small freighter in heavy seas some day
My other option would be a cabinet saw and a planer/jointer combo like the 80's era makita / hitachi's that I could roll out of the way. I could handle many of my shaper tasks with my routers. As I said above, the machine was given to the current by a neighbor who passed away. He doesn't really want it / need it. He's asking $4500. I'm thinking a lot less.? I'd love to hear what the experts think. Here are some pictures of the beast: Thanks! ben
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I spent ages trying to find a BF6 and they kept getting too expensive on ebay. One that I looked at, went for more than the guy bought it for several years earlier. BF6-26 went for a ?4300. It was in good condition with a turntable but I would have bitten anyones hand off for a BF6 at under ?3k.
That one you're looking at looks like its been looked after.
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I bought a 1994 Bf6-31 about a year or two ago now. Two previous owners were hobbiest. Great condition. Runs great. Owner started at $7000. Three months later I was driving home with it for $3000. Been extremely satisfied with the machine. In hind sight probably would have paid more but I got stubborn over the deal.?
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Bf6 owners.? ?I bought Felders spares for that vintage machine.? ?I have lots of belts some guards kip levers and even some motors. I will look for parts you're?interested in but don't expect rapid service, as I am doing this to be helpful,? not to make money.? ??I'll give away anything safety related and be very reasonable on everything else.? ? Marlowe McGraw?
I bought a 1994 Bf6-31 about a year or two ago now. Two previous owners were hobbiest. Great condition. Runs great. Owner started at $7000. Three months later I was driving home with it for $3000. Been extremely satisfied with the machine. In hind sight probably would have paid more but I got stubborn over the deal.?
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Marlowe, I guess you are in the States?
Do you have a high speed shaper spindle?
Cheers. Richard.
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Thanks for all the advice everyone!
Imran, the machine does still have all of it's fences for the saw and shaper. It also has the jointer-guard (euro stye).
Comes with a share spindle and a single cutter head. It's a simple, straight blade with no profiles, probably for edging and rabbeting.
Paul, the casters need to be replaced for locker that can handle the weight. The ones on there now are ellipses from sitting in one place.
$1700-ish was going to be my offer, so it sounds like I'm in the ball park.
I'll keep you posted. If I get it, look out. I'll have tons of noob questions :-)
ben
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Paul, what bits would you round up for spare inventory? As this one sits it only has one shaper spindle, so that's something to look for.?
I believe it can also power a mortiser, but I imagine those are hard to find.
thanks,
b
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Hi Richard,?
Yes, I'm in the states.? ?I don't have any spindles.?
On Sat, Jan 9, 2021, 1:34 PM Benjamin Thompson via <scribbleben= [email protected]> wrote: Paul, what bits would you round up for spare inventory? As this one sits it only has one shaper spindle, so that's something to look for.?
I believe it can also power a mortiser, but I imagine those are hard to find.
thanks,
b
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Update. Another guy bought the BF6 and decided he needed standalone machines.
Just bought it for $3200 plus labor helping him set up a website for his business.
Took a few years, but I am now officially a Felder owner. Woot!
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Congrats on your new (old) machine.?
I own a couple of BF6 machines recently purchased, neither of them have any guards on the planer, which I find odd to say the least. Is there some way to contact Marlowe about those parts?
thanks,
Greg
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I have a good number of the yellow plastic pieces used to guard the machine in jointer mode.? Is that what you are looking for?
As I? remember,? there are some attachment brackets also.
These are free because they are a safety device.??
I'm on vacation this week,? but can take some photos when I return.?
Marlowe McGraw?
Congrats on your new (old) machine.?
I own a couple of BF6 machines recently purchased, neither of them have any guards on the planer, which I find odd to say the least. Is there some way to contact Marlowe about those parts?
thanks,
Greg
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imran