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Hi All,
Well I have apparently spun a cutter head on the shaft. Not sure how this happened as the stack was very tight and I know have the last spacer above the top of the shaft.
my guess is it wasn't high enough.
I got the cutter off but I cant get the lower spacers off.
So what route should I take.I can see the slightest burr on the shaft. That is why I assumed I spun the cutter.
Go figure I was having my most productive day in a long time.
Thanks In advance.
Glen
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Glen Bet you won’t do that again!! I would file off the burr with a fine fie, just the burr you will be fine maybe a little emery cloth only on the spot. Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jan 5, 2022, at 7:49 PM, Glen Christensen <grchris1966@...> wrote:
?Hi All,
Well I have apparently spun a cutter head on the shaft. Not sure how this happened as the stack was very tight and I know have the last spacer above the top of the shaft.
my guess is it wasn't high enough.
I got the cutter off but I cant get the lower spacers off.
So what route should I take.I can see the slightest burr on the shaft. That is why I assumed I spun the cutter.
Go figure I was having my most productive day in a long time.
Thanks In advance.
Glen
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Been there, done that. ?In my case the cutter itself was spin welded to the shaft. ?I had it pressed off at a machine shop (something I could do myself now), but the shaft was so badly damaged that it was scrapped. ?The Whitehill cutter survived and still in use. ??
If Mac’s suggestions don’t free up the bushings, take the spindle to a local machine shop.? David Best - Sent from my iPad
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On Jan 5, 2022, at 5:59 PM, mac campshure via groups.io <mac512002@...> wrote:
? Glen Bet you won’t do that again!! I would file off the burr with a fine fie, just the burr you will be fine maybe a little emery cloth only on the spot. Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years On Jan 5, 2022, at 7:49 PM, Glen Christensen <grchris1966@...> wrote:
?Hi All,
Well I have apparently spun a cutter head on the shaft. Not sure how this happened as the stack was very tight and I know have the last spacer above the top of the shaft.
my guess is it wasn't high enough.
I got the cutter off but I cant get the lower spacers off.
So what route should I take.I can see the slightest burr on the shaft. That is why I assumed I spun the cutter.
Go figure I was having my most productive day in a long time.
Thanks In advance.
Glen
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Glen,
Sorry to hear about this accident.? I'm trying to understand what you mean when you say that the last spacer was above the top of the shaft.? So the cutterhead was mounted on the spindle, perhaps some spacers below it, then you had spacers on top of the cutter head stacked to a height such that top of the spindle was below the top of the spacers?? So the top-most spacer wasn't fully in contact with the spindle?
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The top spacer has to be enough above the spindle so the recessed rim of the cap contacts it when tightened down.? There can be times when everything appears tight but the cap is contacting the center of the spindle but the rim isn't putting enough pressure
on the spacers.? Dave
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Glen,
Sorry to hear about this accident.? I'm trying to understand what you mean when you say that the last spacer was above the top of the shaft.? So the cutterhead was mounted on the spindle, perhaps some spacers below it, then you had spacers on top of the cutter
head stacked to a height such that top of the spindle was below the top of the spacers?? So the top-most spacer wasn't fully in contact with the spindle?
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David, it just sold. Thanks for your interest. Ted
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The top spacer has to be enough above the spindle so the recessed rim of the cap contacts it when tightened down.? There can be times when everything appears tight but the cap is contacting the center of the spindle but the rim isn't putting enough pressure
on the spacers.? Dave
Glen,
Sorry to hear about this accident.? I'm trying to understand what you mean when you say that the last spacer was above the top of the shaft.? So the cutterhead was mounted on the spindle, perhaps some spacers below it, then you had spacers on top of the cutter
head stacked to a height such that top of the spindle was below the top of the spacers?? So the top-most spacer wasn't fully in contact with the spindle?
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Whenever I put the cutterhead on the shaper, I follow the following instruction.
James
On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 10:41 AM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
The top spacer has to be enough above the spindle so the recessed rim of the cap contacts it when tightened down.? There can be times when everything appears tight but the cap is contacting the center of the spindle but the rim isn't putting enough pressure
on the spacers.? Dave
Glen,
Sorry to hear about this accident.? I'm trying to understand what you mean when you say that the last spacer was above the top of the shaft.? So the cutterhead was mounted on the spindle, perhaps some spacers below it, then you had spacers on top of the cutter
head stacked to a height such that top of the spindle was below the top of the spacers?? So the top-most spacer wasn't fully in contact with the spindle?
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Thank you Mac and David. This morning I went and bought a super small file and emory cloth and bingo. It worked great. I don't actually thing I really spun the cutter but there was the slightest little burr on the shaft, so the cutter may have moved a bit or there was something else going on i will make sure that I check when putting that last spacer on.. Thanks guys, New spindel was 1300 bucks and they did not have them. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 5:59 PM mac campshure via <mac512002= [email protected]> wrote: Glen Bet you won’t do that again!! I would file off the burr with a fine fie, just the burr you will be fine maybe a little emery cloth only on the spot. Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years ?Hi All,
Well I have apparently spun a cutter head on the shaft. Not sure how this happened as the stack was very tight and I know have the last spacer above the top of the shaft.
my guess is it wasn't high enough.
I got the cutter off but I cant get the lower spacers off.
So what route should I take.I can see the slightest burr on the shaft. That is why I assumed I spun the cutter.
Go figure I was having my most productive day in a long time.
Thanks In advance.
Glen
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Speedrrracer, exactly what David K shared. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
Glen,
Sorry to hear about this accident.? I'm trying to understand what you mean when you say that the last spacer was above the top of the shaft.? So the cutterhead was mounted on the spindle, perhaps some spacers below it, then you had spacers on top of the cutter head stacked to a height such that top of the spindle was below the top of the spacers?? So the top-most spacer wasn't fully in contact with the spindle?
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Glen and others you need to be?meticulous with set up , ?make sure all bushings are clean no dirt or burrs they all have to be handled carefully . A Nick or burr in the sandwich can also bend the spindle. If you drop bushing inspect carefully . Mac..
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Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jan 6, 2022, at 9:52 PM, Glen Christensen <grchris1966@...> wrote:
? Speedrrracer, exactly what David K shared. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
Glen,
Sorry to hear about this accident.? I'm trying to understand what you mean when you say that the last spacer was above the top of the shaft.? So the cutterhead was mounted on the spindle, perhaps some spacers below it, then you had spacers on top of the cutter head stacked to a height such that top of the spindle was below the top of the spacers?? So the top-most spacer wasn't fully in contact with the spindle?
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Use a dab of grease on the shaft and cutter bores when you assemble them, it will keep the metal from galling as it slides onto the spindle.
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Thank you Mac and David. This morning I went and bought a super small file and emory cloth and bingo. It worked great. I don't actually thing I really spun the cutter but there was the slightest little burr on the shaft, so the cutter may have moved a bit or there was something else going on i will make sure that I check when putting that last spacer on.. Thanks guys, New spindel was 1300 bucks and they did not have them. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 5:59 PM mac campshure via <mac512002= [email protected]> wrote: Glen Bet you won’t do that again!! I would file off the burr with a fine fie, just the burr you will be fine maybe a little emery cloth only on the spot. Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years ?Hi All,
Well I have apparently spun a cutter head on the shaft. Not sure how this happened as the stack was very tight and I know have the last spacer above the top of the shaft.
my guess is it wasn't high enough.
I got the cutter off but I cant get the lower spacers off.
So what route should I take.I can see the slightest burr on the shaft. That is why I assumed I spun the cutter.
Go figure I was having my most productive day in a long time.
Thanks In advance.
Glen
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Is it okay to use light oil instead of grease? Some of my cutters are so close that I have a hard time putting them on the arbor. I have used pneumatic tool oil (because it is handy) just enough to help me install. I spread with finger so no dripping. Anyhow, is this okay?
Imran
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On Jan 7, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote: ? Use a dab of grease on the shaft and cutter bores when you assemble them, it will keep the metal from galling as it slides onto the spindle.
Thank you Mac and David. This morning I went and bought a super small file and emory cloth and bingo. It worked great. I don't actually thing I really spun the cutter but there was the slightest little burr on the shaft, so the cutter may have moved a bit or there was something else going on i will make sure that I check when putting that last spacer on.. Thanks guys, New spindel was 1300 bucks and they did not have them. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 5:59 PM mac campshure via <mac512002= [email protected]> wrote: Glen Bet you won’t do that again!! I would file off the burr with a fine fie, just the burr you will be fine maybe a little emery cloth only on the spot. Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years ?Hi All,
Well I have apparently spun a cutter head on the shaft. Not sure how this happened as the stack was very tight and I know have the last spacer above the top of the shaft.
my guess is it wasn't high enough.
I got the cutter off but I cant get the lower spacers off.
So what route should I take.I can see the slightest burr on the shaft. That is why I assumed I spun the cutter.
Go figure I was having my most productive day in a long time.
Thanks In advance.
Glen
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Yes, anything to provide a little lubrication will keep the metal from galling. I prefer some form of grease though as it tends to sling less on the inside of the machine.
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Is it okay to use light oil instead of grease? Some of my cutters are so close that I have a hard time putting them on the arbor. I have used pneumatic tool oil (because it is handy) just enough to help me install. I spread with finger so no dripping. Anyhow, is this okay?
Imran On Jan 7, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: ? Use a dab of grease on the shaft and cutter bores when you assemble them, it will keep the metal from galling as it slides onto the spindle.
Thank you Mac and David. This morning I went and bought a super small file and emory cloth and bingo. It worked great. I don't actually thing I really spun the cutter but there was the slightest little burr on the shaft, so the cutter may have moved a bit or there was something else going on i will make sure that I check when putting that last spacer on.. Thanks guys, New spindel was 1300 bucks and they did not have them. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 5:59 PM mac campshure via <mac512002= [email protected]> wrote: Glen Bet you won’t do that again!! I would file off the burr with a fine fie, just the burr you will be fine maybe a little emery cloth only on the spot. Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years ?Hi All,
Well I have apparently spun a cutter head on the shaft. Not sure how this happened as the stack was very tight and I know have the last spacer above the top of the shaft.
my guess is it wasn't high enough.
I got the cutter off but I cant get the lower spacers off.
So what route should I take.I can see the slightest burr on the shaft. That is why I assumed I spun the cutter.
Go figure I was having my most productive day in a long time.
Thanks In advance.
Glen
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On Jan 7, 2022, at 11:04 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote: ? Yes, anything to provide a little lubrication will keep the metal from galling. I prefer some form of grease though as it tends to sling less on the inside of the machine.
Is it okay to use light oil instead of grease? Some of my cutters are so close that I have a hard time putting them on the arbor. I have used pneumatic tool oil (because it is handy) just enough to help me install. I spread with finger so no dripping. Anyhow, is this okay?
Imran On Jan 7, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: ? Use a dab of grease on the shaft and cutter bores when you assemble them, it will keep the metal from galling as it slides onto the spindle.
Thank you Mac and David. This morning I went and bought a super small file and emory cloth and bingo. It worked great. I don't actually thing I really spun the cutter but there was the slightest little burr on the shaft, so the cutter may have moved a bit or there was something else going on i will make sure that I check when putting that last spacer on.. Thanks guys, New spindel was 1300 bucks and they did not have them. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 5:59 PM mac campshure via <mac512002= [email protected]> wrote: Glen Bet you won’t do that again!! I would file off the burr with a fine fie, just the burr you will be fine maybe a little emery cloth only on the spot. Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years ?Hi All,
Well I have apparently spun a cutter head on the shaft. Not sure how this happened as the stack was very tight and I know have the last spacer above the top of the shaft.
my guess is it wasn't high enough.
I got the cutter off but I cant get the lower spacers off.
So what route should I take.I can see the slightest burr on the shaft. That is why I assumed I spun the cutter.
Go figure I was having my most productive day in a long time.
Thanks In advance.
Glen
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The assembly grease you can get at auto supply stores (specifically for crankshaft journals during engine assembly) is good for this application. It is relatively thin, and comes in toothpaste-like tubes.
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Thanks Rick.
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On Jan 7, 2022, at 12:06 PM, Rick Scholl <rlscholl@...> wrote:
?The assembly grease you can get at auto supply stores (specifically for crankshaft journals during engine assembly) is good for this application. It is relatively thin, and comes in toothpaste-like tubes.
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I use Castrol 140 bandsaw blade lube, comes in a tube:
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On Jan 7, 2022, at 10:06 AM, Rick Scholl < rlscholl@...> wrote:
The assembly grease you can get at auto supply stores (specifically for crankshaft journals during engine assembly) is good for this application. It is relatively thin, and comes in toothpaste-like tubes.
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Brian, Thanks for that tip. I thought about that in the past and just thought it would attract more dust. Would white lithium grease be ok as I happen to have that for the forklift? Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 7:31 AM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: Use a dab of grease on the shaft and cutter bores when you assemble them, it will keep the metal from galling as it slides onto the spindle.
Thank you Mac and David. This morning I went and bought a super small file and emory cloth and bingo. It worked great. I don't actually thing I really spun the cutter but there was the slightest little burr on the shaft, so the cutter may have moved a bit or there was something else going on i will make sure that I check when putting that last spacer on.. Thanks guys, New spindel was 1300 bucks and they did not have them. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 5:59 PM mac campshure via <mac512002= [email protected]> wrote: Glen Bet you won’t do that again!! I would file off the burr with a fine fie, just the burr you will be fine maybe a little emery cloth only on the spot. Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years ?Hi All,
Well I have apparently spun a cutter head on the shaft. Not sure how this happened as the stack was very tight and I know have the last spacer above the top of the shaft.
my guess is it wasn't high enough.
I got the cutter off but I cant get the lower spacers off.
So what route should I take.I can see the slightest burr on the shaft. That is why I assumed I spun the cutter.
Go figure I was having my most productive day in a long time.
Thanks In advance.
Glen
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Glen and others I am NOT with Brian on this one, ?may be LPS 1 wiped on and off but NO grease. ? I all the time and shops that I have been around shapers and moulders I have never seen or heard of using any grease on spindles.? Clean and proper set up is the key. mac,,, Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jan 9, 2022, at 11:06 PM, Glen Christensen <grchris1966@...> wrote:
? Brian, Thanks for that tip. I thought about that in the past and just thought it would attract more dust. Would white lithium grease be ok as I happen to have that for the forklift? Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 7:31 AM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: Use a dab of grease on the shaft and cutter bores when you assemble them, it will keep the metal from galling as it slides onto the spindle.
Thank you Mac and David. This morning I went and bought a super small file and emory cloth and bingo. It worked great. I don't actually thing I really spun the cutter but there was the slightest little burr on the shaft, so the cutter may have moved a bit or there was something else going on i will make sure that I check when putting that last spacer on.. Thanks guys, New spindel was 1300 bucks and they did not have them. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 5:59 PM mac campshure via <mac512002= [email protected]> wrote: Glen Bet you won’t do that again!! I would file off the burr with a fine fie, just the burr you will be fine maybe a little emery cloth only on the spot. Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years ?Hi All,
Well I have apparently spun a cutter head on the shaft. Not sure how this happened as the stack was very tight and I know have the last spacer above the top of the shaft.
my guess is it wasn't high enough.
I got the cutter off but I cant get the lower spacers off.
So what route should I take.I can see the slightest burr on the shaft. That is why I assumed I spun the cutter.
Go figure I was having my most productive day in a long time.
Thanks In advance.
Glen
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That stuff is super sticky and thick, not sure it would be the easiest to work with and clean up after. A small tube of thinner grease, some engine oil, or like I posted, my favorite is the Castrol stick lubricant.
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Brian, Thanks for that tip. I thought about that in the past and just thought it would attract more dust. Would white lithium grease be ok as I happen to have that for the forklift? Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 7:31 AM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: Use a dab of grease on the shaft and cutter bores when you assemble them, it will keep the metal from galling as it slides onto the spindle.
Thank you Mac and David. This morning I went and bought a super small file and emory cloth and bingo. It worked great. I don't actually thing I really spun the cutter but there was the slightest little burr on the shaft, so the cutter may have moved a bit or there was something else going on i will make sure that I check when putting that last spacer on.. Thanks guys, New spindel was 1300 bucks and they did not have them. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 5:59 PM mac campshure via <mac512002= [email protected]> wrote: Glen Bet you won’t do that again!! I would file off the burr with a fine fie, just the burr you will be fine maybe a little emery cloth only on the spot. Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years ?Hi All,
Well I have apparently spun a cutter head on the shaft. Not sure how this happened as the stack was very tight and I know have the last spacer above the top of the shaft.
my guess is it wasn't high enough.
I got the cutter off but I cant get the lower spacers off.
So what route should I take.I can see the slightest burr on the shaft. That is why I assumed I spun the cutter.
Go figure I was having my most productive day in a long time.
Thanks In advance.
Glen
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David P. Best
imran