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If it ain't broke don't fix it.?
I've been in other groups who 'upgraded' The net result was two groups, the hind of the old group and the new one. Both declined over time.
Paul Mc Cann.
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I too am grateful for all the time and effort spent by John and Brian, and all the contributors for the wealth of knowledge shared here. That said, I'd happily move over to a better platform and kick in a little to cover hosting costs. I've been active here a dozen years maybe, and I haven't posted a single photo or video. I'm pretty computer literate too, and take woodworking related photos daily. Not being a Yahoo user just makes it too cumbersome.
I mentioned that I'm part of numerous private groups on facebook, none woodworking related-I do have hobbies. Sharing media there is effortless, even from my phone where it is captured in the first place. It does not address the archived information issue, but as far as I'm concerned that's already gone because I can't access it easily as a non Yahoo user. A shared Dropbox or Google drive could cover that and the Flickr media.
Jason
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765
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I think FB groups should be out of the equation because: - searching is near useless - impossible to reference older post easily and in a clean way - topics are ordered in a near random way - impossible to correctly format comments/posts - have to click to see all the content - impossible to ever get the data out of FB
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I too am grateful for all the time and effort spent by John and Brian, and all the contributors for the wealth of knowledge shared here. That said, I'd happily move over to a better platform and kick in a little to cover hosting costs. I've been active here a dozen years maybe, and I haven't posted a single photo or video. I'm pretty computer literate too, and take woodworking related photos daily. Not being a Yahoo user just makes it too cumbersome.
I mentioned that I'm part of numerous private groups on facebook, none woodworking related-I do have hobbies. Sharing media there is effortless, even from my phone where it is captured in the first place. It does not address the archived information issue, but as far as I'm concerned that's already gone because I can't access it easily as a non Yahoo user. A shared Dropbox or Google drive could cover that and the Flickr media.
Jason
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
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I¡¯ll say this,
I feel weird even expressing my oppinion based not that I do zero to see that this forum exist, coupled with knowing that Brian and maybe others put much of their personal time and maybe money for all I know into the forum.
With that said and in reference to the Facebook forum comment up thread I feel the need to express my lack of interest. I¡¯m really not a fan of social media. At only forty years old I¡¯m thinking maybe a few of my peers and a few senior to me might feel that same way. I¡¯m just not interested in having a online presence floating around allowing others a glimps into my life. Yes I know I can set the profile to private. I also feel once it¡¯s in cycles space it¡¯s no longer my property and anyone¡¯s property. I just don¡¯t feel good about that.
I can¡¯t agree enough though that sharing photos is a pita! I really don¡¯t contribute and even come here looking for answers unless I have exhausted my mother options as it¡¯s a pain In the butt.
I can¡¯t help but think maybe that is the intended purpose os staying yahoo groups as it weeds out the riff raff possibly? ?
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I think FB groups should be out of the equation because: - searching is near useless - impossible to reference older post easily and in a clean way - topics are ordered in a near random way - impossible to correctly format comments/posts - have to click to see all the content - impossible to ever get the data out of FB
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I agree that Facebook groups are not appropriate for FOG. I am involved in
a Facebook group and while you can easily attach photos and videos, it is
impossible to search for an old post the you need. I think it is for a
completely different type of group where current information is shared and old
information falls by the wayside.
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Regards,
Martin
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Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 8:20 AM
To: felder-woodworking@...
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] groups.io for Felder
Woodworking?
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I¡¯ll say this,
?
I feel weird even expressing my oppinion based not that I do zero to see
that this forum exist, coupled with knowing that Brian and maybe others put much
of their personal time and maybe money for all I know into the forum.
?
With that said and in reference to the Facebook forum comment up thread I
feel the need to express my lack of interest. I¡¯m really not a fan of social
media. At only forty years old I¡¯m thinking maybe a few of my peers and a few
senior to me might feel that same way. I¡¯m just not interested in having a
online presence floating around allowing others a glimps into my life. Yes I
know I can set the profile to private. I also feel once it¡¯s in cycles space
it¡¯s no longer my property and anyone¡¯s property. I just don¡¯t feel good about
that.
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I can¡¯t agree enough though that sharing photos is a pita! I really don¡¯t
contribute and even come here looking for answers unless I have exhausted my
mother options as it¡¯s a pain In the butt.
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I can¡¯t help but think maybe that is the intended purpose os staying yahoo
groups as it weeds out the riff raff possibly?
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On Wednesday, January 10, 2018, alain pilon
alain.pilon@... [felder-woodworking]
<felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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I think FB groups should be out of the equation because:
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- searching is near useless
- impossible to reference older post easily and in a clean way
- topics are ordered in a near random way
- impossible to correctly format comments/posts
- have to click to see all the content
- impossible to ever get the data out of FB
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David Best wrote, ¡°So Dr. Renzetti, since you are the sole owner of the group, I¡¯ll put it to you: ? would you embrace moving to a new platform, and if so, under what conditions?¡± ? Well Dr Best, Actually I thought that Brian was an owner also effective when Scott Slate started to represent Martin. Since I¡¯m not as young as I used to be we should have a succession plan. I¡¯ll be in consultations with Brian and maybe we could arrange a leveraged buyout. We could probably get Goldman to do a valuation. This has to be worth a couple a million at least. J? ? Moving should be done with a lot of care. You don¡¯t want to make a move, then have the FOG deleted and then find that the group didn¡¯t work and the FOG disappears. Or the new group gets setup and without moderation, the members get bombarded with spam or trolls join and start trouble. Suppose Paul Cresti comes back or Louie Melo.? ? But point me in the direction of one of these other groups with the better platform and I¡¯ll take a look at it so I can see what the benefits are. We¡¯ve seen other FOG type groups come and go over the years. We have to be 100% sure that this would be the right move. ? Take care, John ? ? ? ?
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Forums like this reflect the values of the leadership/control structure of the group, not necessarily the values of the majority of the users involved.? ? The topic of ¡°platform¡± comes up here almost annually - Yahoo Groups has serious limitations & frustrations, but it has two things many like:? it¡¯s free and places no demands on the casual user. ? Excuses abound when the ¡°platform¡± suggestions come up - about moving files, hassle, time, money, etc. ? In contrast to FOG, I also participate in and support (financially and otherwise) a handful of other forums/user groups, which operate with a completely different philosophy about user interaction & involvement, distribute the leadership more widely, and are funded with annual voluntary contributions to support a superior platform. ? I find those groups more effective and satisfying overall - they support email, are fully and effectively searchable, embrace many forms of media imbedded and archived (pdf, video, photos, etc.), allow cross-thread linking and referencing, facilitate polls and voting, and are mobile-device friendly, etc. ?And because so many of the users chip in a small annual contribution and help with administration, they have more skin in the game, and participation rates (quality and quantity) are high. I too appreciate all that John and Brian do to keep this group functioning and fending off the spam and junk. ? I also observe that participation by FOG members appears to be in decline, as evidenced by the number of postings on an annual or monthly basis. ? When I joined this group in 2001, it was thriving with tons of posts and lots of user contributions. ?Of course, back then the equipment being produced was far more temperamental and challenging to get and keep aligned and functioning in top form. ? Others have expressed the view to me privately that they would participate more on FOG if the platform supported media (photos, video, etc.) inclusion and the archive had search facilities that actually work. ? A few of my closest friends here on FOG have formed our own sub-group using the mobile device messaging platform and exchange dozens of messages daily with photos and videos of real-world problems, ideas and assistance. I know many here are hankering for a better platform, and some are willing to contribute cash to that end, and others still are prepared to give leadership. ? But such a shift would require the enthusiastic support of John and Brian, or the formation of an altogether new group (which has been tried and failed). ?? Although the ¡°platform" topic remains a hearty perennial here, and always pulls previously unheard from users out of the woodwork, the political will to migrate to a better platform remains the primary deterrent. ? ? So Dr. Renzetti, since you are the sole owner of the group, I¡¯ll put it to you: ? would you embrace moving to a new platform, and if so, under what conditions? ? Okay, so, i was hoping someone else might volunteer, but i guess i'll do it :) Yahoo groups has a JSON API that can be used to retrieve all the data (messages, files, photos, etc). It works fine on felder-woodworking. If folks want to move to a place that has a sane import API, i'm happy to do the export and import. If folks want to move to a place that has no import API, i'm also happy to provide a database that has all the data from the group, and someone else (not me!) can use it to build some web or mobile app or something out of the old data so it can be searched/used. This is obviously more annoying (or more awesome, depending on how you use the group :P), but there you go. In case anyone is worried about whether i can get it done, i've moved 3 *very* large? open source projects between different messaging software, bug software, and version control software before, so i've done this kind of thing before. ? On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 9:56 AM, Brian Lamb?blamb11@...?[felder-woodworking]?<felder-woodworking@...>?wrote: ? There have been several other attempts at creating another Felder group, none of which survived. This all stated back with eGroups in about 1999, and it was purchased/absorbed by Yahoo in maybe 2000 or 2001 if I remember correctly. ? ?
I think you have us mixed up with a dead forum started by a missing in action Festool Forum member named Sitting Elf/Frank. This group started before the original Festool forum was even in existence. He tried to started a completely new forum that didn't attract anybody with any Felder knowledge.? -------- Original message -------- Date: 2018-01-09 12:24 PM (GMT-05:00) Subject: [felder-woodworking] Re:??for Felder Woodworking? ? Hello,? I am new to the Felder Woodworking Group and I came across this conversation.? It is interesting that to find this group originally I was using the Festool Owners Group.? They use a product that is open source called Simple Machine Forum (SMF) to manage their group, just a thought.?? Anyway, I have just purchase a Hammer A3-26 Jointer/Planar unit and waiting the delivery in the near future.? My goal is to use the Felder-Woodworking Owners Group to gather tips and tricks on how the product works and nuances that users have come across the improve on the experience.? I am not new to woodworking as I have been a hobbyist/DIY person for 27 years and appreciate good tools and machinery.? The Felder product line intrigued me because it advertised precision and quality above price.? I value the idea that with better tools, what you create in the woodshop comes out better.? Price is always something tha t each user must balance with quality and precision.? So I will continue to check out the group for help along the way.
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John and I have talked and I think we¡¯ll try changing the options on the group to allow photos first. If that seems to work well and goes smoothly, then I¡¯m not sure I see a huge need to move off of Yahoo.
If we decide in the long run to change platforms, then as John says, we¡¯ll run concurrent using Yahoo and a new one until we are sure that the change doesn¡¯t kill the group. I do belong to one software group that has a Yahoo group and a forum powered by phpBB and anything posted on Yahoo is mirrored on the forum, that might be an option at first until everything is migrated.
Just an FYI, Yahoo used to be tons better in the photo section, back when we first started I set up folders, with sub folders and all that sort of organization and it was worlds easier to find photos. At one point in a Yahoo re-org, they shit canned all of our folders and it destroyed the whole photo album portion. It seems this is the biggest bone of contention for most users, they can¡¯t find photos. Hopefully allowing photos with posts and the associated linking that I think we¡¯ll get (have to wait and see) will alleviate most of the issues.
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David Best wrote, ¡°So Dr. Renzetti, since you are the sole owner of the group, I¡¯ll put it to you: ? would you embrace moving to a new platform, and if so, under what conditions?¡± ? Well Dr Best, Actually I thought that Brian was an owner also effective when Scott Slate started to represent Martin. Since I¡¯m not as young as I used to be we should have a succession plan. I¡¯ll be in consultations with Brian and maybe we could arrange a leveraged buyout. We could probably get Goldman to do a valuation. This has to be worth a couple a million at least.?J? ? Moving should be done with a lot of care. You don¡¯t want to make a move, then have the FOG deleted and then find that the group didn¡¯t work and the FOG disappears. Or the new group gets setup and without moderation, the members get bombarded with spam or trolls join and start trouble. Suppose Paul Cresti comes back or Louie Melo.? ? But point me in the direction of one of these other groups with the better platform and I¡¯ll take a look at it so I can see what the benefits are. We¡¯ve seen other FOG type groups come and go over the years. We have to be 100% sure that this would be the right move. ? Take care, John ? ? ? ? ?
Forums like this reflect the values of the leadership/control structure of the group, not necessarily the values of the majority of the users involved.? ? The topic of ¡°platform¡± comes up here almost annually - Yahoo Groups has serious limitations & frustrations, but it has two things many like:? it¡¯s free and places no demands on the casual user. ? Excuses abound when the ¡°platform¡± suggestions come up - about moving files, hassle, time, money, etc. ? In contrast to FOG, I also participate in and support (financially and otherwise) a handful of other forums/user groups, which operate with a completely different philosophy about user interaction & involvement, distribute the leadership more widely, and are funded with annual voluntary contributions to support a superior platform. ? I find those groups more effective and satisfying overall - they support email, are fully and effectively searchable, embrace many forms of media imbedded and archived (pdf, video, photos, etc..), allow cross-thread linking and referencing, facilitate polls and voting, and are mobile-device friendly, etc. ?And because so many of the users chip in a small annual contribution and help with administration, they have more skin in the game, and participation rates (quality and quantity) are high. I too appreciate all that John and Brian do to keep this group functioning and fending off the spam and junk. ? I also observe that participation by FOG members appears to be in decline, as evidenced by the number of postings on an annual or monthly basis. ? When I joined this group in 2001, it was thriving with tons of posts and lots of user contributions. ?Of course, back then the equipment being produced was far more temperamental and challenging to get and keep aligned and functioning in top form. ? Others have expressed the view to me privately that they would participate more on FOG if the platform supported media (photos, video, etc.) inclusion and the archive had search facilities that actually work. ? A few of my closest friends here on FOG have formed our own sub-group using the mobile device messaging platform and exchange dozens of messages daily with photos and videos of real-world problems, ideas and assistance. I know many here are hankering for a better platform, and some are willing to contribute cash to that end, and others still are prepared to give leadership. ? But such a shift would require the enthusiastic support of John and Brian, or the formation of an altogether new group (which has been tried and failed). ?? Although the ¡°platform" topic remains a hearty perennial here, and always pulls previously unheard from users out of the woodwork, the political will to migrate to a better platform remains the primary deterrent. ? ? So Dr. Renzetti, since you are the sole owner of the group, I¡¯ll put it to you: ? would you embrace moving to a new platform, and if so, under what conditions? ? Okay, so, i was hoping someone else might volunteer, but i guess i'll do it :) Yahoo groups has a JSON API that can be used to retrieve all the data (messages, files, photos, etc). It works fine on felder-woodworking. If folks want to move to a place that has a sane import API, i'm happy to do the export and import. If folks want to move to a place that has no import API, i'm also happy to provide a database that has all the data from the group, and someone else (not me!) can use it to build some web or mobile app or something out of the old data so it can be searched/used. This is obviously more annoying (or more awesome, depending on how you use the group :P), but there you go. In case anyone is worried about whether i can get it done, i've moved 3 *very* large? open source projects between different messaging software, bug software, and version control software before, so i've done this kind of thing before. ? On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 9:56 AM, Brian Lamb?blamb11@...?[felder-woodworking]?<felder-woodworking@...>?wrote: ? There have been several other attempts at creating another Felder group, none of which survived. This all stated back with eGroups in about 1999, and it was purchased/absorbed by Yahoo in maybe 2000 or 2001 if I remember correctly. ? ?
I think you have us mixed up with a dead forum started by a missing in action Festool Forum member named Sitting Elf/Frank. This group started before the original Festool forum was even in existence. He tried to started a completely new forum that didn't attract anybody with any Felder knowledge.? -------- Original message -------- Date: 2018-01-09 12:24 PM (GMT-05:00) Subject: [felder-woodworking] Re:??for Felder Woodworking? ? Hello,? I am new to the Felder Woodworking Group and I came across this conversation.? It is interesting that to find this group originally I was using the Festool Owners Group.? They use a product that is open source called Simple Machine Forum (SMF) to manage their group, just a thought.?? Anyway, I have just purchase a Hammer A3-26 Jointer/Planar unit and waiting the delivery in the near future.? My goal is to use the Felder-Woodworking Owners Group to gather tips and tricks on how the product works and nuances that users have come across the improve on the experience.? I am not new to woodworking as I have been a hobbyist/DIY person for 27 years and appreciate good tools and machinery.? The Felder product line intrigued me because it advertised precision and quality above price.? I value the idea that with better tools, what you create in the woodshop comes out better.? Price is always something tha t each user must balance with quality and precision.? So I will continue to check out the group for help along the way.
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Hi,? As Brian just mentioned we¡¯ll try changing the options so photos are allowed. Just made the change. Had two choices HTML with attachments to email. (I picked that one). And HTML with links to attachments. Let¡¯s see how this goes. We have a mature group but with all attachments beware that something could come from a member who¡¯s email account was hacked. ? Also be judicious with what photos you post. Not all of us want to see 1000 pictures of David Best¡¯s vacation when he was a ¡°Professor¡± (I use the term loosely), with Semester at Sea a few years ago. I¡¯ve seen them. J? ? Take care, John ?
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John and I have talked and I think we¡¯ll try changing the options on the group to allow photos first. If that seems to work well and goes smoothly, then I¡¯m not sure I see a huge need to move off of Yahoo.
If we decide in the long run to change platforms, then as John says, we¡¯ll run concurrent using Yahoo and a new one until we are sure that the change doesn¡¯t kill the group. I do belong to one software group that has a Yahoo group and a forum powered by phpBB and anything posted on Yahoo is mirrored on the forum, that might be an option at first until everything is migrated. Just an FYI, Yahoo used to be tons better in the photo section, back when we first started I set up folders, with sub folders and all that sort of organization and it was worlds easier to find photos. At one point in a Yahoo re-org, they shit canned all of our folders and it destroyed the whole photo album portion. It seems this is the biggest bone of contention for most users, they can¡¯t find photos. Hopefully allowing photos with posts and the associated linking that I think we¡¯ll get (have to wait and see) will alleviate most of the issues. ?
David Best wrote, ¡°So Dr. Renzetti, since you are the sole owner of the group, I¡¯ll put it to you: ? would you embrace moving to a new platform, and if so, under what conditions?¡± ? Well Dr Best, Actually I thought that Brian was an owner also effective when Scott Slate started to represent Martin. Since I¡¯m not as young as I used to be we should have a succession plan. I¡¯ll be in consultations with Brian and maybe we could arrange a leveraged buyout. We could probably get Goldman to do a valuation. This has to be worth a couple a million at least.?J? ? Moving should be done with a lot of care. You don¡¯t want to make a move, then have the FOG deleted and then find that the group didn¡¯t work and the FOG disappears. Or the new group gets setup and without moderation, the members get bombarded with spam or trolls join and start trouble. Suppose Paul Cresti comes back or Louie Melo.? ? But point me in the direction of one of these other groups with the better platform and I¡¯ll take a look at it so I can see what the benefits are. We¡¯ve seen other FOG type groups come and go over the years. We have to be 100% sure that this would be the right move. ? Take care, John ? ? ? ? ?
Forums like this reflect the values of the leadership/control structure of the group, not necessarily the values of the majority of the users involved.? ? The topic of ¡°platform¡± comes up here almost annually - Yahoo Groups has serious limitations & frustrations, but it has two things many like:? it¡¯s free and places no demands on the casual user. ? Excuses abound when the ¡°platform¡± suggestions come up - about moving files, hassle, time, money, etc. ? In contrast to FOG, I also participate in and support (financially and otherwise) a handful of other forums/user groups, which operate with a completely different philosophy about user interaction & involvement, distribute the leadership more widely, and are funded with annual voluntary contributions to support a superior platform.. ? I find those groups more effective and satisfying overall - they support email, are fully and effectively searchable, embrace many forms of media imbedded and archived (pdf, video, photos, etc..), allow cross-thread linking and referencing, facilitate polls and voting, and are mobile-device friendly, etc. ?And because so many of the users chip in a small annual contribution and help with administration, they have more skin in the game, and participation rates (quality and quantity) are high. I too appreciate all that John and Brian do to keep this group functioning and fending off the spam and junk. ? I also observe that participation by FOG members appears to be in decline, as evidenced by the number of postings on an annual or monthly basis. ? When I joined this group in 2001, it was thriving with tons of posts and lots of user contributions. ?Of course, back then the equipment being produced was far more temperamental and challenging to get and keep aligned and functioning in top form. ? Others have expressed the view to me privately that they would participate more on FOG if the platform supported media (photos, video, etc.) inclusion and the archive had search facilities that actually work. ? A few of my closest friends here on FOG have formed our own sub-group using the mobile device messaging platform and exchange dozens of messages daily with photos and videos of real-world problems, ideas and assistance. I know many here are hankering for a better platform, and some are willing to contribute cash to that end, and others still are prepared to give leadership. ? But such a shift would require the enthusiastic support of John and Brian, or the formation of an altogether new group (which has been tried and failed). ?? Although the ¡°platform" topic remains a hearty perennial here, and always pulls previously unheard from users out of the woodwork, the political will to migrate to a better platform remains the primary deterrent. ? ? So Dr. Renzetti, since you are the sole owner of the group, I¡¯ll put it to you: ? would you embrace moving to a new platform, and if so, under what conditions? ? Okay, so, i was hoping someone else might volunteer, but i guess i'll do it :) Yahoo groups has a JSON API that can be used to retrieve all the data (messages, files, photos, etc). It works fine on felder-woodworking. If folks want to move to a place that has a sane import API, i'm happy to do the export and import. If folks want to move to a place that has no import API, i'm also happy to provide a database that has all the data from the group, and someone else (not me!) can use it to build some web or mobile app or something out of the old data so it can be searched/used. This is obviously more annoying (or more awesome, depending on how you use the group :P), but there you go. In case anyone is worried about whether i can get it done, i've moved 3 *very* large? open source projects between different messaging software, bug software, and version control software before, so i've done this kind of thing before. ? On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 9:56 AM, Brian Lamb?blamb11@...?[felder-woodworking]?<felder-woodworking@...>?wrote: ? There have been several other attempts at creating another Felder group, none of which survived. This all stated back with eGroups in about 1999, and it was purchased/absorbed by Yahoo in maybe 2000 or 2001 if I remember correctly. ? ?
I think you have us mixed up with a dead forum started by a missing in action Festool Forum member named Sitting Elf/Frank. This group started before the original Festool forum was even in existence. He tried to started a completely new forum that didn't attract anybody with any Felder knowledge.? -------- Original message -------- Date: 2018-01-09 12:24 PM (GMT-05:00) Subject: [felder-woodworking] Re:??for Felder Woodworking? ? Hello,? I am new to the Felder Woodworking Group and I came across this conversation.? It is interesting that to find this group originally I was using the Festool Owners Group.? They use a product that is open source called Simple Machine Forum (SMF) to manage their group, just a thought.?? Anyway, I have just purchase a Hammer A3-26 Jointer/Planar unit and waiting the delivery in the near future.? My goal is to use the Felder-Woodworking Owners Group to gather tips and tricks on how the product works and nuances that users have come across the improve on the experience.? I am not new to woodworking as I have been a hobbyist/DIY person for 27 years and appreciate good tools and machinery.? The Felder product line intrigued me because it advertised precision and quality above price.? I value the idea that with better tools, what you create in the woodshop comes out better.? Price is always something tha t each user must balance with quality and precision.? So I will continue to check out the group for help along the way.
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But point me in the direction of one of these other groups with the better platform and I¡¯ll take a look at it so I can see what the benefits are. We¡¯ve seen other FOG type groups come and go over the years. We have to be 100% sure that this would be the right move.
John, thank you for your reply. ? Of all the groups I participate in, the one I find satisfies every wish list item I¡¯ve heard here is the Hobby-Machinist group. ??
I don¡¯t know specifically what platform software/service this is on, but I can probably find out if you¡¯re interested. ? I encourage you to join the group, and look around and maybe try it out. ? One of the things I find convenient about it is that if I see a posting and I want to have a private dialog with the original poster, I can do that from within the posted message - that way I don¡¯t have to go off to an email app to send them a PM. ? The service supports inclusion of video and images in the posts, those all get archived and are searchable based on a variety of elements with lots of filtering options (use name, date, popularity, etc.). ? Users can set up to have all the postings reflected to them via email, or just selected postings based on a ¡°watching flag¡± that¡¯s easily set when you view a message. ? Some of the sub-forums are supported by vendors, others are not. ? Any user can contribute to the group financially, or offer to help with administration. ??
Hope this helps.
David Best
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They use Xenforo, way over my head, $140 for the software, $50 install, $60 for media gallery, $60 for Resource manager, and $50 for Enhanced search (all yearly charges and you still need a host service). Then it looks like you still need PHP or MySQL¡ I dunno over my head.
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But point me in the direction of one of these other groups with the better platform and I¡¯ll take a look at it so I can see what the benefits are. We¡¯ve seen other FOG type groups come and go over the years. We have to be 100% sure that this would be the right move.
John, thank you for your reply. ? Of all the groups I participate in, the one I find satisfies every wish list item I¡¯ve heard here is the Hobby-Machinist group. ??
I don¡¯t know specifically what platform software/service this is on, but I can probably find out if you¡¯re interested. ? I encourage you to join the group, and look around and maybe try it out. ? One of the things I find convenient about it is that if I see a posting and I want to have a private dialog with the original poster, I can do that from within the posted message - that way I don¡¯t have to go off to an email app to send them a PM. ? The service supports inclusion of video and images in the posts, those all get archived and are searchable based on a variety of elements with lots of filtering options (use name, date, popularity, etc.). ? Users can set up to have all the postings reflected to them via email, or just selected postings based on a ¡°watching flag¡± that¡¯s easily set when you view a message.. ? Some of the sub-forums are supported by vendors, others are not. ? Any user can contribute to the group financially, or offer to help with administration. ??
Hope this helps.
David Best
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Hi David,? I¡¯m looking at how that is set up now. Looks good but I think there are some costs involved that Brian mentioned. The nice thing is that the messages can be sorted by subject. Have to look into this more to see all the pluses and minuses. ? Looks like the picture thing is working but I did notice for people that get the DD, pictures don¡¯t come through. ?Not sure what else we can do there. ?
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Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] groups.io for Felder Woodworking??
? ? But point me in the direction of one of these other groups with the better platform and I¡¯ll take a look at it so I can see what the benefits are. We¡¯ve seen other FOG type groups come and go over the years. We have to be 100% sure that this would be the right move.
? John, thank you for your reply. ? Of all the groups I participate in, the one I find satisfies every wish list item I¡¯ve heard here is the Hobby-Machinist group. ?? I don¡¯t know specifically what platform software/service this is on, but I can probably find out if you¡¯re interested. ? I encourage you to join the group, and look around and maybe try it out. ? One of the things I find convenient about it is that if I see a posting and I want to have a private dialog with the original poster, I can do that from within the posted message - that way I don¡¯t have to go off to an email app to send them a PM. ? The service supports inclusion of video and images in the posts, those all get archived and are searchable based on a variety of elements with lots of filtering options (use name, date, popularity, etc.). ? Users can set up to have all the postings reflected to them via email, or just selected postings based on a ¡°watching flag¡± that¡¯s easily set when you view a message. ? Some of the sub-forums are supported by vendors, others are not. ? Any user can contribute to the group financially, or offer to help with administration. ??
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Yes, it¡¯s not free. ? But I¡¯m certain there are enough among us on FOG willing to contribute to more than cover the costs mentioned in Brian¡¯s post. ?This attitude that it has to be free is so 1930¡¯s. ?Get over it already. ?Plenty of people here have already said they¡¯d contribute. ? I give $250/year to Hobby-Machinist and would easily do the same here for a better platform.
David Best
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Hi David,? I¡¯m looking at how that is set up now. Looks good but I think there are some costs involved that Brian mentioned. The nice thing is that the messages can be sorted by subject. Have to look into this more to see all the pluses and minuses.? ? Looks like the picture thing is working but I did notice for people that get the DD, pictures don¡¯t come through. ?Not sure what else we can do there.? ? ?
? ? But point me in the direction of one of these other groups with the better platform and I¡¯ll take a look at it so I can see what the benefits are. We¡¯ve seen other FOG type groups come and go over the years. We have to be 100% sure that this would be the right move.
? John, thank you for your reply. ? Of all the groups I participate in, the one I find satisfies every wish list item I¡¯ve heard here is the Hobby-Machinist group. ?? I don¡¯t know specifically what platform software/service this is on, but I can probably find out if you¡¯re interested. ? I encourage you to join the group, and look around and maybe try it out. ? One of the things I find convenient about it is that if I see a posting and I want to have a private dialog with the original poster, I can do that from within the posted message - that way I don¡¯t have to go off to an email app to send them a PM. ? The service supports inclusion of video and images in the posts, those all get archived and are searchable based on a variety of elements with lots of filtering options (use name, date, popularity, etc.). ? Users can set up to have all the postings reflected to them via email, or just selected postings based on a ¡°watching flag¡± that¡¯s easily set when you view a message. ? Some of the sub-forums are supported by vendors, others are not. ? Any user can contribute to the group financially, or offer to help with administration. ??
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I also would be willing to contribute to make this group beter and easier to navigate.
Glen
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From: 'david@bestservices IMAP 2' david@... [felder-woodworking]
To: rcorselli@... [felder-woodworking]
Sent: Wed, Jan 17, 2018 1:53 pm
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] groups.io for Felder Woodworking?
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Yes, it¡¯s not free. ? But I¡¯m certain there are enough among us on FOG willing to contribute to more than cover the costs mentioned in Brian¡¯s post. ?This attitude that it has to be free is so 1930¡¯s. ?Get over it already. ?Plenty of people here have already said they¡¯d contribute. ? I give $250/year to Hobby-Machinist and would easily do the same here for a better platform..
David Best
Hi David,? I¡¯m looking at how that is set up now. Looks good but I think there are some costs involved that Brian mentioned. The nice thing is that the messages can be sorted by subject. Have to look into this more to see all the pluses and minuses.?
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Looks like the picture thing is working but I did notice for people that get the DD, pictures don¡¯t come through. ?Not sure what else we can do there.?
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But point me in the direction of one of these other groups with the better platform and I¡¯ll take a look at it so I can see what the benefits are. We¡¯ve seen other FOG type groups come and go over the years. We have to be 100% sure that this would be the right move.
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John, thank you for your reply. ? Of all the groups I participate in, the one I find satisfies every wish list item I¡¯ve heard here is the Hobby-Machinist group. ??
I don¡¯t know specifically what platform software/service this is on, but I can probably find out if you¡¯re interested. ? I encourage you to join the group, and look around and maybe try it out. ? One of the things I find convenient about it is that if I see a posting and I want to have a private dialog with the original poster, I can do that from within the posted message - that way I don¡¯t have to go off to an email app to send them a PM. ? The service supports inclusion of video and images in the posts, those all get archived and are searchable based on a variety of elements with lots of filtering options (use name, date, popularity, etc.). ? Users can set up to have all the postings reflected to them via email, or just selected postings based on a ¡°watching flag¡± that¡¯s easily set when you view a message. ? Some of the sub-forums are supported by vendors, others are not. ? Any user can contribute to the group financially, or offer to help with administration. ??
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If people are interested, I can setup a Discourse forum this Friday so people can test it out. I tend to favour Discourse because of how easy to reference older posts, which is, IMHO, a very good feature for a group like ours and it has a strong text editor.?
On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 5:30 PM, GLEN chris3645@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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I also would be willing to contribute to make this group beter and easier to navigate.
Glen
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From: 'david@bestservices IMAP 2' david@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@yahoogroups.com>
To: rcorselli@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Jan 17, 2018 1:53 pm
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] for Felder Woodworking?
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Yes, it¡¯s not free. ? But I¡¯m certain there are enough among us on FOG willing to contribute to more than cover the costs mentioned in Brian¡¯s post.? This attitude that it has to be free is so 1930¡¯s.? Get over it already.? Plenty of people here have already said they¡¯d contribute. ? I give $250/year to Hobby-Machinist and would easily do the same here for a better platform..
David Best
Hi David,? I¡¯m looking at how that is set up now. Looks good but I think there are some costs involved that Brian mentioned. The nice thing is that the messages can be sorted by subject. Have to look into this more to see all the pluses and minuses.?
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Looks like the picture thing is working but I did notice for people that get the DD, pictures don¡¯t come through.? Not sure what else we can do there.?
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But point me in the direction of one of these other groups with the better platform and I¡¯ll take a look at it so I can see what the benefits are. We¡¯ve seen other FOG type groups come and go over the years. We have to be 100% sure that this would be the right move.
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John, thank you for your reply. ? Of all the groups I participate in, the one I find satisfies every wish list item I¡¯ve heard here is the Hobby-Machinist group. ??
I don¡¯t know specifically what platform software/service this is on, but I can probably find out if you¡¯re interested. ? I encourage you to join the group, and look around and maybe try it out. ? One of the things I find convenient about it is that if I see a posting and I want to have a private dialog with the original poster, I can do that from within the posted message - that way I don¡¯t have to go off to an email app to send them a PM. ? The service supports inclusion of video and images in the posts, those all get archived and are searchable based on a variety of elements with lots of filtering options (use name, date, popularity, etc..). ? Users can set up to have all the postings reflected to them via email, or just selected postings based on a ¡°watching flag¡± that¡¯s easily set when you view a message. ? Some of the sub-forums are supported by vendors, others are not. ? Any user can contribute to the group financially, or offer to help with administration. ??
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I will be happy to contribute also,
On the other hand I don¡¯t want to twist anyone¡¯s arm into doing anything they don¡¯t want to do with a website that is not mine to influence with my desires.?
I don¡¯t have the time to do anything but drop in from time to time so who am I to say what one should or should not do.
When I need the web site it is an invaluable resource. I have no immediate need for it but as soon as I do I¡¯ll sure be glad to have it.
A couple hundred bucks a year to help it be more user friendly is a small price to pay. If the site moved to something more user friendly I would be more than happy to send a check to Brian make a small PayPal payment or whatever..
Best, Patrick Walsh?
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If people are interested, I can setup a Discourse forum this Friday so people can test it out. I tend to favour Discourse because of how easy to reference older posts, which is, IMHO, a very good feature for a group like ours and it has a strong text editor.?
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I seldom post and have been lurking for quite a few years now and read every thread I can. I'm just a hobby woodworker with a CF531 multi-function and a 510 band saw. More times than not I have no idea what you guys are talking about but I still get lots of valuable information and appreciate the willingness of the members to share. I have the pneumatic clamps and several other after market tools that I never would have found if not for the folks here. All that being said I am also willing to contribute financially. Although Yahoo is not the most user friendly site I will follow wherever the FOG ends up and that includes staying right here if thats what you all decide. Thanks guys and keep up the fine work you do.
?Charlie
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I am willing to pay to play, I get way more than I give here so a money contribution seems only fair.
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On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 01:52:51PM -0800, 'david@bestservices IMAP 2' david@... [felder-woodworking] wrote:
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| Yes, it¡¯s not free. ? But I¡¯m certain there are enough among us on FOG
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I would also be willing to contribute. But what matters more to me is
the way conversations are delivered. If I have to go to a website and
carefully scan every new topic that's been posted to extract the parts
that are worthwhile, that's a poor use of time. Eventually I'm going to
be unwilling or unable to spend that time. That issue is precisely why
I look at the Festool Owners Group (among others) only every week or
two, but I keep up with the Felder Owners Group every day.
The big advantage of email delivery is that email software is highly
optimized for dealing with hundreds of messages a day, sorting them out
into what's important and what's irrelevant, and even saving (locally)
the stuff that's crucial for future reference. The Web forum software
that I've seen is far slower and more cumbersome.
Those of you who've been around for a while may remember the heyday of
Usenet newsgroups. Software like trn ("threaded read-news") allowed me
to sift through thousands of postings every day, displaying the threads
I wanted to follow automatically while deep-sixing the rest (without
preventing me from going back to search for them and look at them in the
future if I changed my mind). All with a user interface that was
concise and INSTANTLY responsive, because you never had to wait for a
message to be delivered. If such a thing exists for web forums, I'd use
it enthusiastically, but I just haven't seen it. In the meantime, email
delivery with a website fallback is the next-best option.
Those of you who use tiny screens without keyboards as your only
interface to the Internet probably feel differently. For you I can only
recommend voice-controlled AI. :-)
Allen
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Allen,
I hate to leave emacs -- http is ruining the internet.
But I do think most forum platforms have email delivery, and I don't think this group would be interested in a platform that didn't have email message delivery.
Mark
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I agree with every thing you said. And I, too, am willing to contribute to whatever is decided. This site has been my best friend on more than one occasion.
Johnny Johnson
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Jason Holtz
Martin Imber
John Renzetti
David P. Best
Mark Foster
Allen Akin