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Hi everyone I hope you can assist me?
I have not used my jointer planer for some time and my workshop is quite cold.
When I try start my jointer planer by holding in the start button (its single phase) the cutter block turns but does not get up to speed (even after 20sec)
any ideas what the problem may be?
I have tried to grease the cutter block bearings
perhaps it needs a strip down clean and proper greasing
would appreciate any suggestions
Ive got a garden gate to build and need the planer functional asap
rest of the machine (saw etc) is working perfectly
thanks in advance?
Craig
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Craig,
From posts here some CF series multi function machines share start/run caps. I am not sure about your vintage machine.
If you can tell that J/P motor has it’s own caps separate from saw motor than that would be my first thing to check/replace.
Imran
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On Mar 24, 2021, at 9:36 AM, Craig.roberts via groups.io <Craig.roberts@...> wrote: ?Hi everyone I hope you can assist me?
I have not used my jointer planer for some time and my workshop is quite cold.
When I try start my jointer planer by holding in the start button (its single phase) the cutter block turns but does not get up to speed (even after 20sec)
any ideas what the problem may be?
I have tried to grease the cutter block bearings
perhaps it needs a strip down clean and proper greasing
would appreciate any suggestions
Ive got a garden gate to build and need the planer functional asap
rest of the machine (saw etc) is working perfectly
thanks in advance?
Craig
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Craig,
BTW capacitance can drop 10-40% depending upon low or high temp. You may trying warming the capacitor with hair dryer (from distance) just enough and give it a try. Assuming, J/P has it’s own caps.
If the caps are common then check wires from caps to J/P motor. Long shot but something you got to do to eliminate fault sources.
Imran
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On Mar 24, 2021, at 9:36 AM, Craig.roberts via groups.io <Craig.roberts@...> wrote: ?Hi everyone I hope you can assist me?
I have not used my jointer planer for some time and my workshop is quite cold.
When I try start my jointer planer by holding in the start button (its single phase) the cutter block turns but does not get up to speed (even after 20sec)
any ideas what the problem may be?
I have tried to grease the cutter block bearings
perhaps it needs a strip down clean and proper greasing
would appreciate any suggestions
Ive got a garden gate to build and need the planer functional asap
rest of the machine (saw etc) is working perfectly
thanks in advance?
Craig
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I would look to the start Capacitor.? It's cheap to replace
capacitors.
On 3/24/21 7:29 AM, Craig.roberts via
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Hi everyone I hope you can assist me?
I have not used my jointer planer for some time and my workshop is
quite cold.
When I try start my jointer planer by holding in the start button
(its single phase) the cutter block turns but does not get up to
speed (even after 20sec)
any ideas what the problem may be?
I have tried to grease the cutter block bearings
perhaps it needs a strip down clean and proper greasing
would appreciate any suggestions
Ive got a garden gate to build and need the planer functional asap
rest of the machine (saw etc) is working perfectly
thanks in advance?
Craig
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When its really cold in my shop I have a similar problem on the planer on my CF 731 combi. All i do is point a fan heater at the motor for approx 30 secs and it fires straight up this only needs doing once as subsequent startsups are Ok, has to be really cold though as normally it starts straight away worth trying to get you cutting wood.
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Chris,
Unless you are working in below freezing temps a properly specified?electrolytic capacitors?in good working condition should work fine.
If the machine/capacitor is really old I would change out the caps. If it is really old, the technology has really improved from old electrolyte to polypropylene film.
Imran
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On Mar 25, 2021, at 8:52 AM, Chris Twigger via groups.io <christwigger@...> wrote: ?When its really cold in my shop I have a similar problem on the planer on my CF 731 combi. All i do is point a fan heater at the motor for approx 30 secs and it fires straight up this only needs doing once as subsequent startsups are Ok, has to be really cold though as normally it starts straight away worth trying to get you cutting wood.
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As someone who remodeled a finger as a direct result of cold shop temp and? improper clothing, I caution you all about working in the cold with machinery.? The money you're saving on the heat bill goes up in smoke in a hurry when you show up at the ER with a mangled hand. And then the hand surgeon. And PT/OT. And lost income because you can't work. I can't stress it enough, no wearing gloves ever while operating a machine. I will include my glove photo as a reminder. Yes, my hand was in there.
If you're cold, you're probably in a hurry. If you're in a hurry, you're not doing your best work, and quite possibly not making the best decisions about safety.
Thanks Jason
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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I used to train and teach skills and safety in a 100 person shop,? No gloves no rings no sleeves in way hair shirts you get the picture .? Designing and building for 50 years
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On Mar 25, 2021, at 9:43 AM, Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> wrote:
? As someone who remodeled a finger as a direct result of cold shop temp and? improper clothing, I caution you all about working in the cold with machinery.? The money you're saving on the heat bill goes up in smoke in a hurry when you show up at the ER with a mangled hand. And then the hand surgeon. And PT/OT. And lost income because you can't work. I can't stress it enough, no wearing gloves ever while operating a machine. I will include my glove photo as a reminder. Yes, my hand was in there.
If you're cold, you're probably in a hurry. If you're in a hurry, you're not doing your best work, and quite possibly not making the best decisions about safety.
Thanks Jason
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Yes Jason, you’re absolutely right, Those bloody rubberised gloves! I too mangled a hand and lost a finger and function of the hand! It wasn’t the BF-631 though in my case but a 2kg sds drill! Let’s hope the community hear you and act on it!
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On 25 Mar 2021, at 22:19, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression <airtightclamps@...> wrote:
? I used to train and teach skills and safety in a 100 person shop,? No gloves no rings no sleeves in way hair shirts you get the picture .? Designing and building for 50 years On Mar 25, 2021, at 9:43 AM, Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> wrote:
? As someone who remodeled a finger as a direct result of cold shop temp and? improper clothing, I caution you all about working in the cold with machinery.? The money you're saving on the heat bill goes up in smoke in a hurry when you show up at the ER with a mangled hand. And then the hand surgeon. And PT/OT. And lost income because you can't work. I can't stress it enough, no wearing gloves ever while operating a machine. I will include my glove photo as a reminder. Yes, my hand was in there.
If you're cold, you're probably in a hurry. If you're in a hurry, you're not doing your best work, and quite possibly not making the best decisions about safety.
Thanks Jason
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Not to disagree, however I want to point there are gloves for handling acids, or for welding, or for handling high voltage electrical all have specific and important uses.? Blacksmith tend to limit wearing gloves when hands are sweaty for better grip on a tool or hammer, and never around machinery.? But use a hot cut chisel a few inched way from red-hot steel plate to slice through, or add decorative texturing will make you a believer in a glove suited for the job.
-Bob
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Me too! I was an adult educator, apprentice served etc and I’m known as the most accident adverse person in the room! Always looking for the problems and how to mitigate them. But they are called accidents for a reason and as Jason and I can illustrate it happens in under a second!
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On 26 Mar 2021, at 05:12, Robert Johnson <woodewe@...> wrote:
?Not to disagree, however I want to point there are gloves for handling acids, or for welding, or for handling high voltage electrical all have specific and important uses.? Blacksmith tend to limit wearing gloves when hands are sweaty for better grip on a tool or hammer, and never around machinery.? But use a hot cut chisel a few inched way from red-hot steel plate to slice through, or add decorative texturing will make you a believer in a glove suited for the job.
-Bob
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I used to universally wear tight fitting mechanic’s gloves while woodworking. Over the years, all the forum glove warnings made me reduce my usage to only while handling rough lumber from the rack, face jointing, and planing. Unless it’s a fair amount of wood, I skip the gloves on the jointing and planing aspect. Maybe I’m wrong, but I consider face jointing with guards and feeding wood into a planer to be safe applications for gloved hands. It’s the saw, lathe, shaper, drill press etc that seem to be the real dangers.?
Patrick
On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 4:26 AM Martin Guiver via <martin.guiver= [email protected]> wrote: Me too! I was an adult educator, apprentice served etc and I’m known as the most accident adverse person in the room! Always looking for the problems and how to mitigate them. But they are called accidents for a reason and as Jason and I can illustrate it happens in under a second! On 26 Mar 2021, at 05:12, Robert Johnson <woodewe@...> wrote:
?Not to disagree, however I want to point there are gloves for handling acids, or for welding, or for handling high voltage electrical all have specific and important uses.? Blacksmith tend to limit wearing gloves when hands are sweaty for better grip on a tool or hammer, and never around machinery.? But use a hot cut chisel a few inched way from red-hot steel plate to slice through, or add decorative texturing will make you a believer in a glove suited for the job.
-Bob
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? Designing and building for 50 years
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On Mar 26, 2021, at 8:25 AM, Patrick Kane <pwk5017@...> wrote:
? I used to universally wear tight fitting mechanic’s gloves while woodworking. Over the years, all the forum glove warnings made me reduce my usage to only while handling rough lumber from the rack, face jointing, and planing. Unless it’s a fair amount of wood, I skip the gloves on the jointing and planing aspect. Maybe I’m wrong, but I consider face jointing with guards and feeding wood into a planer to be safe applications for gloved hands. It’s the saw, lathe, shaper, drill press etc that seem to be the real dangers.?
Patrick On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 4:26 AM Martin Guiver via <martin.guiver= [email protected]> wrote: Me too! I was an adult educator, apprentice served etc and I’m known as the most accident adverse person in the room! Always looking for the problems and how to mitigate them. But they are called accidents for a reason and as Jason and I can illustrate it happens in under a second! On 26 Mar 2021, at 05:12, Robert Johnson <woodewe@...> wrote:
?Not to disagree, however I want to point there are gloves for handling acids, or for welding, or for handling high voltage electrical all have specific and important uses.? Blacksmith tend to limit wearing gloves when hands are sweaty for better grip on a tool or hammer, and never around machinery.? But use a hot cut chisel a few inched way from red-hot steel plate to slice through, or add decorative texturing will make you a believer in a glove suited for the job.
-Bob
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Patrick, My injury happened while face jointing a big pile of white oak. I'm thankful it was on my 10" Inca and not my current 16" General 880. I consider myself lucky that I only lost the tip of one finger. It could have been much worse. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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With round safety heads with projections 1 mm above body if you don’t have a glove on and you keep the gap between the head and the table your hand will bounce off unless you have clothing or a ring than different out come. Designing and building for 50 years
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? Patrick, My injury happened while face jointing a big pile of white oak. I'm thankful it was on my 10" Inca and not my current 16" General 880. I consider myself lucky that I only lost the tip of one finger. It could have been much worse. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Hi guys thanks for all your assistance with this .......spot on with the diagnostics! The Capacitor was shot (oozing some black substance: see attached photo). the previous owner had kindly written the date he last replaced it 2009 - so not a bad stint. Got a replacement Capacitor from Felder UK (?30) 5min job to replace and now its humming like a brand new machine.? Appreciate all the advice .....now have a heater in the workshop and definitely no gloves!   ?
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Craig,
Great news. Just for clarity, did machine have separate caps for saw and shaper?
Imran
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On Apr 4, 2021, at 6:50 AM, Craig.roberts via groups.io <Craig.roberts@...> wrote: ?Hi guys thanks for all your assistance with this .......spot on with the diagnostics! The Capacitor was shot (oozing some black substance: see attached photo). the previous owner had kindly written the date he last replaced it 2009 - so not a bad stint. Got a replacement Capacitor from Felder UK (?30) 5min job to replace and now its humming like a brand new machine.? Appreciate all the advice .....now have a heater in the workshop and definitely no gloves! <IMG_0437b copy.heic> <IMG_0438a copy.heic> ?
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Yes my 6-26 has separate caps for all three motors.
1993 vintage still going strong.
lovely machine
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Its got 2 caps that I can see
Ive only replaced the one
the saw seems to be getting up to speed much quicker now as well so may be shared between planer and saw
amazing machine
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John, Thanks for your feedback. Maybe Craig’s machine is newer than 1993, as caps are shared.
Craig, Thanks for confirming your scenario. Since saw shows a change, as you said they are likely shared. Since the jointer did turn at startup, I suspect you lost the run cap.
Imran?
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On Apr 5, 2021, at 11:09 AM, Craig.roberts via groups.io <Craig.roberts@...> wrote: ?Its got 2 caps that I can see
Ive only replaced the one
the saw seems to be getting up to speed much quicker now as well so may be shared between planer and saw
amazing machine
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imran
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