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Altendorf wins award for camera-based saw safety system


 

Hope the link works.


 


I think I just saw recently that Felder has something like this as well, if I remember correctly.
On Tuesday, January 28, 2020, 04:17:40 AM PST, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:


Hope the link works.


 

That's pretty slick. Here's a direct link to a video.
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Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture

3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765

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Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406


 

Awesome!

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 05:17 "jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:
Hope the link works.


alain pilon
 

Maybe the article got it wrong, but it says the blade retracts in a quarter of a second? That sounds very slow. A SawStop breaks in 5ms, which is about 50 times faster.?


On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 9:33 AM Bill Bélanger <Bllblngr@...> wrote:
Awesome!

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 05:17 "jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:
Hope the link works.


 

The video confirms the retraction time of about a quarter?second.? The sawstop detection event is flesh contact with blade, so response time needs to be a few milliseconds.? The Altendorf detection event is "hand approaching blade guard" via camera mounted on front of blade guard, and a quarter of a second seems sufficient for that.? ? This system doesn't seem like it'd be much help in a fast slip situation.?

This screenshot is at the instant of detection (camera annotation?is mine)


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On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 10:15 AM alain pilon <alain.pilon@...> wrote:
Maybe the article got it wrong, but it says the blade retracts in a quarter of a second? That sounds very slow. A SawStop breaks in 5ms, which is about 50 times faster.?

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 9:33 AM Bill Bélanger <Bllblngr@...> wrote:
Awesome!

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 05:17 "jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:
Hope the link works.


 

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Kind of depends upon the area around the blade that causes it to trip…. timing would be greater the larger the area.

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com




On Jan 28, 2020, at 11:15 AM, alain pilon <alain.pilon@...> wrote:

Maybe the article got it wrong, but it says the blade retracts in a quarter of a second? That sounds very slow. A SawStop breaks in 5ms, which is about 50 times faster.?

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 9:33 AM Bill Bélanger <Bllblngr@...> wrote:
Awesome!

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 05:17 "jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:
Hope the link works.







Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq.
 

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They really need to incorporate that inside the blade guard or it'll be knocked? around and broken real quickly.

On 1/28/20 7:17 AM, "jmkserv@... wrote:

Hope the link works.


 

I think all in all..its better than not having anything at all..?

On Tuesday, January 28, 2020, 11:36:03 AM PST, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:


Kind of depends upon the area around the blade that causes it to trip…. timing would be greater the larger the area.

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com




On Jan 28, 2020, at 11:15 AM, alain pilon <alain.pilon@...> wrote:

Maybe the article got it wrong, but it says the blade retracts in a quarter of a second? That sounds very slow. A SawStop breaks in 5ms, which is about 50 times faster.?

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 9:33 AM Bill Bélanger <Bllblngr@...> wrote:
Awesome!

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 05:17 "jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:
Hope the link works.







 

I guess I need to replace three sliders now lol. I wonder how much my liability insurance would go down? I hope Altendorf will licence the tech to other manufacturers.

Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture

3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765

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Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406


 

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I think from the info available the system that Felder devised is probably a more go to. The more technology involved in the detection system the more chance to f__k up. Only time will tell if these even make to the market. So far it's all just talk and available in the highest end machines.?



John
JMK Services


-------- Original message --------
From: Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...>
Date: 2020-01-28 2:56 p.m. (GMT-05:00)
To: [email protected], murkyd@...
Subject: Re: [FOG] Altendorf wins award for camera-based saw safety system

I guess I need to replace three sliders now lol. I wonder how much my liability insurance would go down? I hope Altendorf will licence the tech to other manufacturers.

Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture

3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765

--
Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406


 

Very true on the highest end of machines..their kappa 550 with the tilting dual bevel is around $70,000 depending in what options you want..?

On Tuesday, January 28, 2020, 12:23:06 PM PST, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:


I think from the info available the system that Felder devised is probably a more go to. The more technology involved in the detection system the more chance to f__k up. Only time will tell if these even make to the market. So far it's all just talk and available in the highest end machines.?



John
JMK Services


-------- Original message --------
From: Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...>
Date: 2020-01-28 2:56 p.m. (GMT-05:00)
To: [email protected], murkyd@...
Subject: Re: [FOG] Altendorf wins award for camera-based saw safety system

I guess I need to replace three sliders now lol. I wonder how much my liability insurance would go down? I hope Altendorf will licence the tech to other manufacturers.

Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture

3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765

--
Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406


Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq.
 

On 1/28/20 2:56 PM, Jason Holtz wrote:
I hope Altendorf will licence the tech to other manufacturers.

it's probably?? Infra red and that's it.? the mechanics to get the blade
to drop?? any one? can figure out: Motor ,Spring, Magnets, Solonoid,? ?
all kind? of ways to?? skin that? cat