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I got notified that my order has been delivered to Delaware and is ready to pick up.? I am waiting for pics of the pallets, dimensions, and weights of each pallet.? The trade show in Atlanta and the holiday seems to have had everyone two-blocked, so hopefully this clears up a bit this week.
My original plan was to pick up with a 10,000 lb. capacity 17-foot deckover trailer with beavertail that is about 30 inches off the ground.? It is clear to load from the side, which I am assuming they can load with a forklift.? But I am waiting for confirmation about this.? If this is not workable, I will rent a trailer that lowers to the ground.
My original workshop plans have been delayed and I will be installing these in a basement with outside access.? I was considering using an electric walkie but will not do this for a couple of reasons.? One is that I have a bit of a grade to deal with that includes an off-camber turn.? The other is David Best's info on his experience with walkies.? I?now plan to use a rough terrain telehandler with a 5500 lb capacity to load as close to the doors as I can, then use a 20x48 inch Crown narrow pallet jack on a timber/ply ramp to get the pallets the rest of the way into the shop.? This will allow me to avoid the off-camber part and allow lifting pallets from the side of the trailer.? I expect some challenge from the size and weight distribution of the pallet(s?) for the CF741SP, but do not anticipate issues with the other two units.? The telehandler is 10,000 lbs.
If anyone has thoughts or experience with this approach, I'd love to hear it, especially the telehandler.
This whole building a garage/workshop process has been pretty painful given covid and the economy.? If I can get contractors or builders to make proposals, they have been ridiculously expensive.? That is if I can get them to even respond or call back if they even answer my first call.? I am in the eastern panhandle of WV and there has been a lot of building here lately.? Seems like most trades cannot find workers for the jobs they have.? They are all very busy in spite of the crazy prices for raw materials and resulting high prices for building.
The electrical connection question is:? I have seen reference to connectors versus outlets.? I will be running a subpanel to the workshop and associated wiring for the machines.? I have seen at least one comment that connectors would be better than outlets if the machines will be connected/disconnected with any regularity.? If I have this right, are these the CEE blue connectors that Felder sells, or some other type?
And some don't care for dryer type plug & outlet, I believe preferring a twist lock type.? Is this correct?? I finally found an electrician but have not met with him yet.? ?These are single phase 240v machines.
It has been interesting lurking around since I ordered this stuff around the end of the year.? I have learned a lot, but I know it is just starting.
Thanks for any of your thoughts or help.
Erik
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I had a similar delivery condition. My tools went in a walk-in basement, but I had to get up a fairly steep grass slope to get there.
I picked the tools up with a deck-over trailer. The freight company loaded the pallets onto the trailer.
My neighbor had a wheeled skid-steer loader, which he used to off-load the pallets, drive them 100 yards down a paved path, and then up my back yard to a patio. That worked pretty well. The skid-steer (generic version of a Bobcat) with forks handled the terrain pretty well, and was surprisingly easy on my lawn.
When I moved in, several years ago, I used a forklift with a telescoping boom. It had big tires, but really struggled with slight grades. The skid steer would have been better, I think.
You can get skid-steer machines with tracks instead of wheels, but they tend to be more expensive to rent.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941
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Hi John, ? I recall seeing pics of your setup, and it looked similar to what I have except I think I have either a steeper grade, or the off camber turn to deal with.? The tracked skid loader is an option.? It looks like for the weight of the CF will require something like a Kubota SVL 95 series, especially if I attack the hill directly. ?Their weight is similar to the telehandlers. I don’t know the equivalent Bobcat models, but I know they have them.? J. Bowen posted a pic here of a tracked skid steer with a saw on forks in Feb.? It was in a flat garage though. ? Among the many contractors I have had no luck with was an excavator to lay down and compact crushed stone to flatten and expand the turn, so that option looks out barring a last minute hail Mary.? If this were to happen I could use a standard forklift. ? Interesting that you had power issues with the telehandler, that is important input.? Right now I am willing to pay for some certainty in this.? The last thing I need is to end up in the creek with a piece of equipment and a new CF! ? Thanks John, ? Erik ?
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From: John HinmanSent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 15:33 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [FOG] Taking delivery of CF741SP, FB510, & RL140, and single phase 240v question ? I had a similar delivery condition. My tools went in a walk-in basement, but I had to get up a fairly steep grass slope to get there.
I picked the tools up with a deck-over trailer. The freight company loaded the pallets onto the trailer.
My neighbor had a wheeled skid-steer loader, which he used to off-load the pallets, drive them 100 yards down a paved path, and then up my back yard to a patio. That worked pretty well. The skid-steer (generic version of a Bobcat) with forks handled the terrain pretty well, and was surprisingly easy on my lawn.
When I moved in, several years ago, I used a forklift with a telescoping boom. It had big tires, but really struggled with slight grades. The skid steer would have been better, I think.
You can get skid-steer machines with tracks instead of wheels, but they tend to be more expensive to rent.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941
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As I recall the issue with the boom forklift was traction, not power. We were crossing a sloped vacant lot, and we’d just spin the tires. Talk with your supplier to make sure the rig is right for the job. Apparently the rental place had a machine that could have done better. Make sure the dealer knows the slope and the surface material, and get a lift made for rough terrain.
The advantage of the boom is that you don’t have to get quite as close to the landing point as you do with the skid steer. My wife was concerned about her shrubbery, as the skid steer had to get right to the concrete patio to set the too.
I’ll attach a photo of my neighbor picking my K700S. The skid-steer is crosswise on a street with a 10% grade. My backyard had a maximum slope of 26% (4:12). The skid steer had no problem with the weight, the cross slope of the street, or the grade in the back yard. I really do not think the boom lift would have climbed it.
The pictures do not really convey how steep the grade is.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941
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These are the two methods I have found most successful. ?It helps if it isn’t raining. ?
John Deer 4WD with pallet forks and extenders.?
Telehandler - has better weight counterbalance than the Deere:
On Sep 4, 2022, at 12:23 PM, Erik Seither via < velomaxx@...> wrote:
I got notified that my order has been delivered to Delaware and is ready to pick up.? I am waiting for pics of the pallets, dimensions, and weights of each pallet.? The trade show in Atlanta and the holiday seems to have had everyone two-blocked, so hopefully this clears up a bit this week.
My original plan was to pick up with a 10,000 lb. capacity 17-foot deckover trailer with beavertail that is about 30 inches off the ground.? It is clear to load from the side, which I am assuming they can load with a forklift.? But I am waiting for confirmation about this.? If this is not workable, I will rent a trailer that lowers to the ground.
My original workshop plans have been delayed and I will be installing these in a basement with outside access.? I was considering using an electric walkie but will not do this for a couple of reasons.? One is that I have a bit of a grade to deal with that includes an off-camber turn.? The other is David Best's info on his experience with walkies.? I?now plan to use a rough terrain telehandler with a 5500 lb capacity to load as close to the doors as I can, then use a 20x48 inch Crown narrow pallet jack on a timber/ply ramp to get the pallets the rest of the way into the shop.? This will allow me to avoid the off-camber part and allow lifting pallets from the side of the trailer.? I expect some challenge from the size and weight distribution of the pallet(s?) for the CF741SP, but do not anticipate issues with the other two units.? The telehandler is 10,000 lbs.
If anyone has thoughts or experience with this approach, I'd love to hear it, especially the telehandler.
This whole building a garage/workshop process has been pretty painful given covid and the economy.? If I can get contractors or builders to make proposals, they have been ridiculously expensive.? That is if I can get them to even respond or call back if they even answer my first call.? I am in the eastern panhandle of WV and there has been a lot of building here lately.? Seems like most trades cannot find workers for the jobs they have.? They are all very busy in spite of the crazy prices for raw materials and resulting high prices for building.
The electrical connection question is:? I have seen reference to connectors versus outlets.? I will be running a subpanel to the workshop and associated wiring for the machines.? I have seen at least one comment that connectors would be better than outlets if the machines will be connected/disconnected with any regularity.? If I have this right, are these the CEE blue connectors that Felder sells, or some other type?
And some don't care for dryer type plug & outlet, I believe preferring a twist lock type.? Is this correct?? I finally found an electrician but have not met with him yet.? ?These are single phase 240v machines.
It has been interesting lurking around since I ordered this stuff around the end of the year.? I have learned a lot, but I know it is just starting.
Thanks for any of your thoughts or help.
Erik
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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I will take a stab at the electrical question: Unless you are plugging and unplugging things constantly I don't know why you'd want the added expense of a connector arrangement. I standardized on NEMA L6-30 twist lock connectors for all of my single phase 240V connections and that has worked out very well. Pass and Legrand makes a 90° shell that eliminates the cord sticking so far out from the wall? I've also used a system of running two 120V circuits to each two gang wall box so that I have 40A available anywhere. If you are consistent with left and right wiring you can also load balance two large 120V loads anywhere.?
I recommend running a sub panel and have found that the 200A versions that come with breakers are the most cost effective. I use Square D QO series which have trip indicators and a higher fault rating than some of the competition.
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One other thought regarding delivery:?
When I received my KF700SP, I was informed that it was too heavy for lift gate service, so we came up with an alternate solution where the machine was delivered on a flatbed trailer with one of those "piggyback", all-terrain forklifts. These forklifts are generally designed for off-road use, though they can struggle with particularly soft ground or some grades. Added benefit is, if the machine goes for a tumble, it's not your responsibility....?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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This is a “second” to Tom’s suggestion.
When my order was placed (2016), I was told that lift gate service was part of the deal, and was that OK. I was not knowledgeable about alternatives, so I agreed to the lift gate, and hired a local man with a tractor and forklift to move the machine from the street to the shop.
I asked the driver of the lift gate truck why they didn’t have forklifts on the truck, and he said they did if the client requested flatbed service. It’s all about the lingo and terminology. Lesson learned. Next time I will know to request flatbed service.?
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One other thought regarding delivery:?
When I received my KF700SP, I was informed that it was too heavy for lift gate service, so we came up with an alternate solution where the machine was delivered on a flatbed trailer with one of those "piggyback", all-terrain forklifts. These forklifts are generally designed for off-road use, though they can struggle with particularly soft ground or some grades. Added benefit is, if the machine goes for a tumble, it's not your responsibility....?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Erik, I just used a pair of hand trucks but the lawn was frozen.     Not really.? My neighbor with a 50-hp Masse Ferguson farm tractor put it in the shop for me.? We loaded the van with a small 3000lb fork truck.? Getting it off the pallet took some fenagling.? After that, the mobility kit is surprisingly handy.? I move the unit around when I get into long materials or special production set up. Make sure you have the door height if you sling from a telehandler.?? I have twist lock electrical connection on my saw and some other tools.? I have the dryer plug style on my welders.? I prefer twist lock.
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My tractor does not have the lift capacity for the CF at least.? That rain looks challenging.? I have to get in under a deck so will be using forks to get in rather than lifting from above. ? I am still working the options and hopefully will know more tomorrow. ? John, I will be sure to check the traction issue.? I lean toward the telehandler because of the extension.? But the tracked skid loader will work. ? Erik ?
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From: david@... via groups.ioSent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 18:38 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [FOG] Taking delivery of CF741SP, FB510, & RL140, and single phase 240v question ? These are the two methods I have found most successful. ?It helps if it isn’t raining. ? John Deer 4WD with pallet forks and extenders.? Telehandler - has better weight counterbalance than the Deere:
On Sep 4, 2022, at 12:23 PM, Erik Seither via <velomaxx@...> wrote: ? I got notified that my order has been delivered to Delaware and is ready to pick up.? I am waiting for pics of the pallets, dimensions, and weights of each pallet.? The trade show in Atlanta and the holiday seems to have had everyone two-blocked, so hopefully this clears up a bit this week.
My original plan was to pick up with a 10,000 lb. capacity 17-foot deckover trailer with beavertail that is about 30 inches off the ground.? It is clear to load from the side, which I am assuming they can load with a forklift.? But I am waiting for confirmation about this.? If this is not workable, I will rent a trailer that lowers to the ground.
My original workshop plans have been delayed and I will be installing these in a basement with outside access.? I was considering using an electric walkie but will not do this for a couple of reasons.? One is that I have a bit of a grade to deal with that includes an off-camber turn.? The other is David Best's info on his experience with walkies.? I?now plan to use a rough terrain telehandler with a 5500 lb capacity to load as close to the doors as I can, then use a 20x48 inch Crown narrow pallet jack on a timber/ply ramp to get the pallets the rest of the way into the shop.? This will allow me to avoid the off-camber part and allow lifting pallets from the side of the trailer.? I expect some challenge from the size and weight distribution of the pallet(s?) for the CF741SP, but do not anticipate issues with the other two units.? The telehandler is 10,000 lbs.
If anyone has thoughts or experience with this approach, I'd love to hear it, especially the telehandler.
This whole building a garage/workshop process has been pretty painful given covid and the economy.? If I can get contractors or builders to make proposals, they have been ridiculously expensive.? That is if I can get them to even respond or call back if they even answer my first call.? I am in the eastern panhandle of WV and there has been a lot of building here lately.? Seems like most trades cannot find workers for the jobs they have.? They are all very busy in spite of the crazy prices for raw materials and resulting high prices for building.
The electrical connection question is:? I have seen reference to connectors versus outlets.? I will be running a subpanel to the workshop and associated wiring for the machines.? I have seen at least one comment that connectors would be better than outlets if the machines will be connected/disconnected with any regularity.? If I have this right, are these the CEE blue connectors that Felder sells, or some other type?
And some don't care for dryer type plug & outlet, I believe preferring a twist lock type.? Is this correct?? I finally found an electrician but have not met with him yet.? ?These are single phase 240v machines.
It has been interesting lurking around since I ordered this stuff around the end of the year.? I have learned a lot, but I know it is just starting.
Thanks for any of your thoughts or help.
Erik
? David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/ ?
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Thanks Brandon, ? This is helpful, including the references. ? Erik ?
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From: Brandon NickelSent: Monday, September 5, 2022 08:40 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [FOG] Taking delivery of CF741SP, FB510, & RL140, and single phase 240v question ? [Edited Message Follows] I will take a stab at the electrical question: Unless you are plugging and unplugging things constantly I don't know why you'd want the added expense of a connector arrangement. I standardized on NEMA L6-30 twist lock connectors for all of my single phase 240V connections and that has worked out very well. Pass and Legrand makes a 90° shell that eliminates the cord sticking so far out from the wall? I've also used a system of running two 120V circuits to each two gang wall box so that I have 40A available anywhere. If you are consistent with left and right wiring you can also load balance two large 120V loads anywhere.?
I recommend running a sub panel and have found that the 200A versions that come with breakers are the most cost effective. I use Square D QO series which have trip indicators and a higher fault rating than some of the competition.
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I think I have been replying the wrong way and sending dupes.? I will change that… ? Thanks David, ? My tractor does not have the lift capacity for the CF at least.? That rain looks challenging.? I have to get in under a deck so will be using forks to get in rather than lifting from above. ? I am still working the options and hopefully will know more tomorrow. ? John, I will be sure to check the traction issue.? I lean toward the telehandler because of the extension.? But the tracked skid loader will work.? And I have to look into the piggyback/flatbed option. ? Erik ?
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I will look into this Tom.? It sounds like these are the forklifts that are carried by the forks at the rear of the trailer.
Erik
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Nice looking shop and loading bay Jonathan.? You had me going on the handtrucks!
Did you turn it on the pallet?? Looks like the fork openings changed in the pics.? Nevermind, I see what is going on there.
Erik
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Right - the extension can be really helpful. With a skid steer you have to get right to the drop spot.
We were able to use the skid steer and some straps to get the A941 off the pallet. That was pretty handy.
By the way, I used twist-lock connectors for my saw and for my jointer. The outlets are strategically located above the tools, and the original power cords were long enough to reach the outlets in the 9’ ceiling.
Best of luck getting things moved in! It must be pretty exciting to get the new gear, but stressful too.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941
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Thanks John, everyone, this has all been helpful.
Exciting yes, but I am in the stress part until I get things moving.
I will have pics of what I end up with.
All the best,
Erik
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