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Hey,?
I am a relatively new member, I joined around a year ago. ?I haven’t posted yet but have enjoyed all the information/banter being shared. ?Definitely entertaining and informative.
?I have a Dual51 and have not regretted the purchase whatsoever. ?That being said, I am now looking at getting a K940 (maybe looking at a Kappa 400) and wondering what people think about those machines and if anyone has any advice. ? I would plan on getting power drive with digital display for blade height and angle. ?Also digital rip fence and stops for outrigger table. ?Any advice from people who have one of those machines would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
Brendan Karlstad
Karlstad Woodwork LLC
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Hi Brendon,?
I have the k940 and it is a nice machine, definitely a step above the 700 series unless they have changed things in the past few years.?
The chassis and saw unit is the same as the Kappa (unless that recently changed) I have had the k700s and now the k940 and I wouldn’t have anything less then a 900 series in a business and anymore than that I would be looking at other brands - thats me, there are other opinions out there.
I have DRO on xcut (2stops) and rip which I highly recommend and power drive another winner (actually I think its standard on the 940 as well as the overhead guard ). I have the end of slide switch which I rarely use but I don’t do a lot of sheet goods plus I typically turn on the saw before i load anyways. It was a $750 option and I wasn’t going to get it but when all the other options were added it was like $300 so I figured why not.
But the main option I absolutely love is the auto score feature, if you will be using the saw exclusively for sheet goods then maybe not because the scoring would always be set but if you go back and forth between sheet goods and solid it’s great , no grabbing a nut driver to raise lower the scoring.?
9’ min slide, 10’ if you have the space.?
I believe you can get the powered fence on the k940 but they will push you into the Kappa, i would get pricing for both just to see. After lots of quotes for several machines I find (at least with Felder) that it’s worth while to get a quote with what you want (duh) and the nice to have’s + 1 step up machine wise, I was surprised (most of the time) of how much the price on the options came down as you added them and sometimes not to much to go to the next level.?
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On Jul 12, 2022, at 10:24 AM, brendan.karlstad@... wrote:
? Hey,?
I am a relatively new member, I joined around a year ago. ?I haven’t posted yet but have enjoyed all the information/banter being shared. ?Definitely entertaining and informative.
?I have a Dual51 and have not regretted the purchase whatsoever. ?That being said, I am now looking at getting a K940 (maybe looking at a Kappa 400) and wondering what people think about those machines and if anyone has any advice. ? I would plan on getting power drive with digital display for blade height and angle. ?Also digital rip fence and stops for outrigger table. ?Any advice from people who have one of those machines would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
Brendan Karlstad
Karlstad Woodwork LLC
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Brendan,
I have a 2016 Kappa 400 x-motion and I love it.? I purchased it from a shop and am the second owner.? I did need to add the digital crosscut to the saw and a few accessories as the previous owner only used it to rip sheet goods and purchased it without some things I would want.
I got it before the crazy change in used machine pricing at the beginning of the pandemic, so I got a great deal.
I would have paid full price for a new one now that I understand the difference.? It has all the power and finesse that you would ever want and once it is aligned, it holds a setup!? I get perfection in setup without having to hassle over it.
I have heard that the basic chassis is the same (900 and kappa) but I have not validated that.? My kappa came with an analog crosscut fence (as I said) but with the larger size extrusion that works with the Felder digital stops.? The 900 saws come with a smaller extrusion when you get the analog crosscut setup.? Having the control panel above you to change everything is really nice. You can program all of your blades into it and set different kerf measurements that adjust all the other parameters as you change blades.? I have auto park for the scoring blade, which makes life easy when you choose to do scoring.
You will not be disappointed!
PK
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I have a Kappa 400 xMotion that I bought new configured to my particular specifications and needs. ?The K940 and Kappa 400 do share the same chassis, and many of the options are identical. ?Like Mark suggested, I recommend you get quotes for both K940 and Kappa 400 version - I think you’ll discover the differences are unremarkable price wise fo the same option configuration. ?
Configuring the machine to your specific needs can be daunting, so if you want so assistance with that, DM me. ?
David Best david@...https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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Hey,?
I am a relatively new member, I joined around a year ago. ?I haven’t posted yet but have enjoyed all the information/banter being shared. ?Definitely entertaining and informative. ?I have a Dual51 and have not regretted the purchase whatsoever. ?That being said, I am now looking at getting a K940 (maybe looking at a Kappa 400) and wondering what people think about those machines and if anyone has any advice. ? I would plan on getting power drive with digital display for blade height and angle. ?Also digital rip fence and stops for outrigger table. ?Any advice from people who have one of those machines would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
Brendan Karlstad
Karlstad Woodwork LLC
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Hi Brendan,?
Earlier this year I was debating about whether up perform some upgrades on my KF700 and just buying a new machine, so I spec'd out a K940S and a Kappa 400. Similarly spec'd, they were within ~8% of each other.
Best wishes, looking forward to hearing what you come up with.?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Tom,? Thats interesting, the difference for me was was 30%-40% if I remember correctly?
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On Jul 13, 2022, at 8:52 PM, tom@... wrote:
?Hi Brendan,?
Earlier this year I was debating about whether up perform some upgrades on my KF700 and just buying a new machine, so I spec'd out a K940S and a Kappa 400. Similarly spec'd, they were within ~8% of each other.
Best wishes, looking forward to hearing what you come up with.?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Hi Mark!?
The machines (K940S and Kappa 400) I had spec'd were right at the crossover point of the two machines, which probably accounts for the price similarity. Without going into an exhaustive detail, the machines were set up roughly as follows:
-- 7.5hp
-- Remote start on slider
-- Dado setup
-- Scoring with separate 1hp motor
-- Power Drive on height and tilt?
-- 49" rip
-- Overhead saw guard
-- 1500mm outrigger
-- 3200mm slider on K940, 2800mm slider on Kappa which I would bump to 3200mm
-- Fine adjust on rip fence
So, no DRO on either machine, and certainly no X-Motion control panel or the fancier outriggers on the Kappa. This was a VERY early inquiry for me, and I wanted to try to compare "apples to apples" as reasonably as possible. Both machines were hovering on either side of ~$20k. Interestingly, as I'm looking at the quote, the DRO options on the Kappa 400 are a few hundred dollars less than the K940S.?
Both are nice machines. I cut a fair number of miters in my Shop, which, in my case, would likely push me over the top towards one of the Kappa machines, which unlocks the X-Roll and Parallelogram outriggers as options not available on the K940S. Of course, everybody's needs are different, which will inform their options....
All of the above being said, in my one-person Shop I'm still unlocking the capabilities of my KF700, and figure I should really learn to get the most out of it prior to shooting for "the next".?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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When I was researching this back in Dec. 2020 optioning out the K940 vs Kappa 400 X Motion the difference was $3,215
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Tom, everything you mentioned on my k940 (2800 slide) + 2 dro stops, dro on rip, auto scoring, scoring safety lights.? 17k delivered. Now I didn’t push for pricing on the Kappa but i think I remember it starting at 32k without extras before negotiating.?
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On Jul 14, 2022, at 8:40 AM, tom@... wrote:
?Hi Mark!?
The machines (K940S and Kappa 400) I had spec'd were right at the crossover point of the two machines, which probably accounts for the price similarity. Without going into an exhaustive detail, the machines were set up roughly as follows:
-- 7.5hp
-- Remote start on slider
-- Dado setup
-- Scoring with separate 1hp motor
-- Power Drive on height and tilt?
-- 49" rip
-- Overhead saw guard
-- 1500mm outrigger
-- 3200mm slider on K940, 2800mm slider on Kappa which I would bump to 3200mm
-- Fine adjust on rip fence
So, no DRO on either machine, and certainly no X-Motion control panel or the fancier outriggers on the Kappa. This was a VERY early inquiry for me, and I wanted to try to compare "apples to apples" as reasonably as possible. Both machines were hovering on either side of ~$20k. Interestingly, as I'm looking at the quote, the DRO options on the Kappa 400 are a few hundred dollars less than the K940S.?
Both are nice machines. I cut a fair number of miters in my Shop, which, in my case, would likely push me over the top towards one of the Kappa machines, which unlocks the X-Roll and Parallelogram outriggers as options not available on the K940S. Of course, everybody's needs are different, which will inform their options....
All of the above being said, in my one-person Shop I'm still unlocking the capabilities of my KF700, and figure I should really learn to get the most out of it prior to shooting for "the next".?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Mark you definitely got a deal there. Was that after you made a big stink about your k700s?? I got powerdrive for free on my k700s (wasn’t on the build sheet but machine came with it) and I paid 15.7k delivered with 7.5hp motor, 3200 crosscut fence, and miter index. No dro flip stops or dro fence. The salesman told me I would be getting the 3200 dro fence with manual stops but he was mistaken on that and it was the standard extrusion. Once they realized they sent me an extra 3200 crosscut fence like I already had, they offered to buy it back for $1700 so my out the door price will be 14k delivered after that’s through.?
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? Tom, everything you mentioned on my k940 (2800 slide) + 2 dro stops, dro on rip, auto scoring, scoring safety lights.? 17k delivered. Now I didn’t push for pricing on the Kappa but i think I remember it starting at 32k without extras before negotiating.? On Jul 14, 2022, at 8:40 AM, tom@... wrote:
?Hi Mark!?
The machines (K940S and Kappa 400) I had spec'd were right at the crossover point of the two machines, which probably accounts for the price similarity. Without going into an exhaustive detail, the machines were set up roughly as follows:
-- 7.5hp
-- Remote start on slider
-- Dado setup
-- Scoring with separate 1hp motor
-- Power Drive on height and tilt?
-- 49" rip
-- Overhead saw guard
-- 1500mm outrigger
-- 3200mm slider on K940, 2800mm slider on Kappa which I would bump to 3200mm
-- Fine adjust on rip fence
So, no DRO on either machine, and certainly no X-Motion control panel or the fancier outriggers on the Kappa. This was a VERY early inquiry for me, and I wanted to try to compare "apples to apples" as reasonably as possible. Both machines were hovering on either side of ~$20k. Interestingly, as I'm looking at the quote, the DRO options on the Kappa 400 are a few hundred dollars less than the K940S.?
Both are nice machines. I cut a fair number of miters in my Shop, which, in my case, would likely push me over the top towards one of the Kappa machines, which unlocks the X-Roll and Parallelogram outriggers as options not available on the K940S. Of course, everybody's needs are different, which will inform their options....
All of the above being said, in my one-person Shop I'm still unlocking the capabilities of my KF700, and figure I should really learn to get the most out of it prior to shooting for "the next".?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Dan,? Actually it is the other way around, it was after Felder sent me a big pile of ? ?. It was my only way out, they credited me total cost of the k700, i had to crate it but they paid shipping on both machines and rigging. May sound like a deal but I assure you I wouldn’t wish it on an enemy (well..?) what Felder put me through (and FOG ?) for a year… And don’t forget the issue with the ad941 that lasted a year as well that ended in a replacement machine (due to their salesman f-up, and no usable machine for 4ish months) and cash compensation only to bail them out of another unhappy customer (didn’t like the grind marks on the side of the casting) all of this at about the same time is what got me a “deal” on the k940.?
Don’t get me wrong, I am very happy with the equipment that I have now I just will never deal with Felder company ever again, not saying I won’t end up with a used Felder something but will avoid if possible…
Ps…this is not a bash just the facts so don’t add to it…
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On Jul 14, 2022, at 10:17 AM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:
? Mark you definitely got a deal there. Was that after you made a big stink about your k700s?? I got powerdrive for free on my k700s (wasn’t on the build sheet but machine came with it) and I paid 15.7k delivered with 7.5hp motor, 3200 crosscut fence, and miter index. No dro flip stops or dro fence. The salesman told me I would be getting the 3200 dro fence with manual stops but he was mistaken on that and it was the standard extrusion. Once they realized they sent me an extra 3200 crosscut fence like I already had, they offered to buy it back for $1700 so my out the door price will be 14k delivered after that’s through.? On Jul 14, 2022, at 9:12 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? Tom, everything you mentioned on my k940 (2800 slide) + 2 dro stops, dro on rip, auto scoring, scoring safety lights.? 17k delivered. Now I didn’t push for pricing on the Kappa but i think I remember it starting at 32k without extras before negotiating.? On Jul 14, 2022, at 8:40 AM, tom@... wrote:
?Hi Mark!?
The machines (K940S and Kappa 400) I had spec'd were right at the crossover point of the two machines, which probably accounts for the price similarity. Without going into an exhaustive detail, the machines were set up roughly as follows:
-- 7.5hp
-- Remote start on slider
-- Dado setup
-- Scoring with separate 1hp motor
-- Power Drive on height and tilt?
-- 49" rip
-- Overhead saw guard
-- 1500mm outrigger
-- 3200mm slider on K940, 2800mm slider on Kappa which I would bump to 3200mm
-- Fine adjust on rip fence
So, no DRO on either machine, and certainly no X-Motion control panel or the fancier outriggers on the Kappa. This was a VERY early inquiry for me, and I wanted to try to compare "apples to apples" as reasonably as possible. Both machines were hovering on either side of ~$20k. Interestingly, as I'm looking at the quote, the DRO options on the Kappa 400 are a few hundred dollars less than the K940S.?
Both are nice machines. I cut a fair number of miters in my Shop, which, in my case, would likely push me over the top towards one of the Kappa machines, which unlocks the X-Roll and Parallelogram outriggers as options not available on the K940S. Of course, everybody's needs are different, which will inform their options....
All of the above being said, in my one-person Shop I'm still unlocking the capabilities of my KF700, and figure I should really learn to get the most out of it prior to shooting for "the next".?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Interestingly I compared the X-motion versions of the K940 and Kappa 400 when I was ordering. I also included the X-roll outrigger and DRO crosscut stops on both. They ended up within about 8-10% of each other.
Michael?
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I did not compare xmotion on k940 to the kappa where it is standard, i would expect it to be a lot closer, i was not willing to pay an extra 10-15k for the luxury ox xmotion in a hobby shop, i push enough buttons at work….
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On Jul 16, 2022, at 12:34 AM, michael.kit.ooi@... wrote:
?Interestingly I compared the X-motion versions of the K940 and Kappa 400 when I was ordering. I also included the X-roll outrigger and DRO crosscut stops on both. They ended up within about 8-10% of each other.
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