New (to me) Felder Owner
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Hello Everyone. I acquired a few Felder machines recently and am diving head first into the world of Felder equipment. I got a KF 700 built in 2002, an AF-22 dust collector also 2002 and an AD 741 built 2004. They are all three phase and came with a rotary phase converter. The previous owner passed away and his wife only had a small folder of paperwork to give me. He bought the KF 700 used but I had only been setup and tested. The AD 741 has never been used, I cleaned the cosmoline off and had to attach a plug since the power cord just had pigtails. The RPC had also never been spun or hooked up.?
So I immediately contacted David Best and purchased a pdf copy of the Unofficial Felder Survival Guide. I haven't read the whole thing but I have scanned it a few times through, and used it to figure out things that weren't intuitive to me. Last week the electrician wired everything up, and then on Friday I moved the machines into the shop. Gave everything a spin just to make sure that the wiring was correct and everything spun the right direction. Since then I've been cleaning, de-rusting, and doing a lot of reading/internet researching as this is MUCH different than the Grizzly tools circa 2006 that I've been using. It's overwhelming but in a good way, going to have to re-write my workflows. I look forward to the challenge and potential growth. Off the bat I've learned that this KF700 does not have the dado option, which is something I use from time to time. I suppose I can design around my new circumstances, but just a cursory look inside the saw I assume it's much more complicated to "add" the dado option after the machine has left the shop. The dust shroud and riving knife mount don't look like they'd allow any sort of dado stack/grooving tooling. Has anyone converted a non-dado option to a dado option? I also have a few pieces that I just don't know where they belong (or if they do) since the previous owner wasn't able to tell me what parts went with what. I'll post more detailed questions in the future, but for now just wanted to introduce myself and say thank you for all who have contributed here as I've already learned quite a bit just searching and reading the archives of this amazing forum. Please excuse the poor pics, I haven't taken proper photos yet!? --- Ameer |
开云体育Ameer, Welcome to the group. KF700 looks in good shape and although hard to see per your description AD741 had never been used. Looks like you are very fortunate to have found these machines and put them to good use. Now that you mention it, I recall some proposals here for a tooling that could allow adding dado function to a machine w/o dado capability. I do not recall seeing a working tooling. Felder does offer some wide Kerf blades, IIRC 5mm being widest. Felder also offers slotting blades. Later, Imran On Jan 13, 2021, at 7:08 AM, Ameer Navidi <highentropy@...> wrote:
?Hello Everyone. I acquired a few Felder machines recently and am diving head first into the world of Felder equipment. I got a KF 700 built in 2002, an AF-22 dust collector also 2002 and an AD 741 built 2004. They are all three phase and came with a rotary phase converter. The previous owner passed away and his wife only had a small folder of paperwork to give me. He bought the KF 700 used but I had only been setup and tested. The AD 741 has never been used, I cleaned the cosmoline off and had to attach a plug since the power cord just had pigtails. The RPC had also never been spun or hooked up.? So I immediately contacted David Best and purchased a pdf copy of the Unofficial Felder Survival Guide. I haven't read the whole thing but I have scanned it a few times through, and used it to figure out things that weren't intuitive to me. Last week the electrician wired everything up, and then on Friday I moved the machines into the shop. Gave everything a spin just to make sure that the wiring was correct and everything spun the right direction. Since then I've been cleaning, de-rusting, and doing a lot of reading/internet researching as this is MUCH different than the Grizzly tools circa 2006 that I've been using. It's overwhelming but in a good way, going to have to re-write my workflows. I look forward to the challenge and potential growth. Off the bat I've learned that this KF700 does not have the dado option, which is something I use from time to time. I suppose I can design around my new circumstances, but just a cursory look inside the saw I assume it's much more complicated to "add" the dado option after the machine has left the shop. The dust shroud and riving knife mount don't look like they'd allow any sort of dado stack/grooving tooling. Has anyone converted a non-dado option to a dado option? I also have a few pieces that I just don't know where they belong (or if they do) since the previous owner wasn't able to tell me what parts went with what. I'll post more detailed questions in the future, but for now just wanted to introduce myself and say thank you for all who have contributed here as I've already learned quite a bit just searching and reading the archives of this amazing forum. Please excuse the poor pics, I haven't taken proper photos yet!? <UNADJUSTEDNONRAW_thumb_259cb.jpg> <UNADJUSTEDNONRAW_thumb_258b4.jpg> <UNADJUSTEDNONRAW_thumb_259a6.jpg> --- Ameer |
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Welcome Ameer,
Looks like you scored some nice machines. Too bad the previous owner never got to use them. We have two of the same KF's in our shop, 2001 models. I know the thing inside and out pretty well. Count your blessings you're 3 phase because the built in inverter is known to go out 15 years in. It was a real PITA to deal with. I'm not aware of any dado options except for a wider kerf blade as Imran suggested. I suspect you won't fit much more than 1/4" given the proximity to the slider table. If you haven't yet, order a set of pneumatic clamps from Mac or make a set yourself if you're inclined. I've made a couple pairs and cannot imagine using a slider without them. Just the other day I needed to trim steam bent table aprons to length. This was a 2 minute job, literally no prep work at all. You can see my blade guard mounted laser on the left, and the clear line on the rear line at the back of the cut. Worked perfectly. Try doing that on a cabinet saw or a slider without clamps! Feel free to reach out if you have questions as you start using the tools. Jason Jason Holtz J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406 612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406 |
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Thanks for the replies, yes I am very fortunate to have fallen into these machines. The previous owner's wife is very happy that the machines will see some use and help my small operation.
Jason, I'll be sure to keep you in mind when I've got a better grasp of the machine and hit any roadblocks. I'll say,?this 7.5hp is a LOT more power than my 1ph 3hp!!! it causes a wind tunnel!! and I think i like it. I'll be looking into pneumatic clamps, thanks for the suggestion. impressive setup. how did you get that laser kerf line to be accurate on the blade guard?? I got a better photo of the AD 741, it took a lot of work to scrub that 16 year old cosmoline off!! |
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Welcome Ameer!?
Congrats on the machines. I just started acquiring Hammer/Felder machinery in 2020 and have been very happy with them thus far. I see you have a pleated filter on the AF22, do you know what level of filtration it is rated?? Be safe in the shop, looking forward to seeing what you produce with your new machines.... -- Tom Gensmer Heritage Home Renewals, LLC Minneapolis, MN |
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Ameer,
That's a good looking machine. I've never used one, is it stable when jointing long boards. It looks like the tables are 3x the length of the base. The laser is mounted to a stick that slides into the blade guard mounting bracket. It's got a machine screw in place of the tripod mount. It's directly in line with the blade below, and can pivot for fine tuning. It moves with vibration very slightly-but it's very close. Jason Holtz J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406 612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406 |
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Here's my laser solution. This laser's gyro function?made it unreliable for install work, but that doesn't matter in this situation. I'm kind of amazed?it works as well as it does.
Jason Holtz J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406 612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406 |
开云体育Greetings: Low tech solution Instagram friend And few picks cutting leg tapers for friend Tony with my simple hold downs. 4 legs ,8 cuts, reference of of pencil Mark on table and eyeball set ups maybe 30 minutes total All exact. Mac,,, martin/campshure/co/llc Designing and building for 50 years On Jan 14, 2021, at 10:42 PM, Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> wrote:
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Mac, ? What are those adjustable feet you have on the holddowns.? Good idea. Thanks, Dave Davies On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 9:19 AM Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression <airtightclamps@...> wrote:
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开云体育I thought David Best posted design details of a bridge type clamp accessory some time ago. Macs version seems simple to build though. I could not be remembering correctly but thought DB’s design reduced or eliminated the need to adjust the height on the outside end of the clamping bridge. Imran On Jan 15, 2021, at 10:59 AM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:
? Mac - I like it! Are these referred to as "bridge clamps" or do you have some other technical name like "straps and screws"? or "batten and bolt" lol? On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 9:40 AM Jeff <jeff.lund.ca@...> wrote: I like your hold downs for the narrow stock. I've been wondering how to make air clamps have an extended reach. I assume you made those? Brett Wissel
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开云体育We seem to go down the same trails annually. ? As previously discussed, here is another solution for hold-down clamping blocks that serve the same purpose as the ones Mac posted about. ?You can make these out of hardwood and they work great with Mac’s clamps. ?The full sized dimensioned drawing is here: ??David Best https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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