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As many of you know, I'm an auction hound. It really paid off recently when I found this bandsaw feeder, brand new in the box, and local!? This is not your typical Comatic type bandsaw feeder. This is completely different, it's basically a infinitely variable speed edge sander, with a outboard pressure module. It's Italian made and was imported by Laguna for a little while. They reportedly tried to have it copied in China and it didn't work out so well. I'd never seen or heard about this thing before, but we decided to give it a shot. The auction ended and we got it for about $800. Higher than I would have expected, but way cheaper than any other bandsaw specific feeder. We learned that it was supposed to attach to the Laguna Driftmaster Fence, which has also been discontinued. We ended up having a bracket fabricated to attach it the Felder 540's fence rail. We are intending to dedicate this saw to resaw, so we didn't mind loosing the stock fence ability. The pressure module is designed to slide into the t-slot. As you know, the Felder slot is very shallow, so we milled the bar to fit, and just use a single clamp to keep it in place rather than drilling and tapping. It's also easy to remove this way. Here's a short video of it in action, and a photo of the cut. We are using a 3/4" Wood Slicer blade in the video. The quality on both sides, offcut and the thin piece are good enough to glue to. No need to re joint the plank before cutting another. We will probably put a Lenox carbide blade on once we use up our stash of Slicer blades.  -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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I think those feeders were well received but expensive.? Laguna seems to take good ideas and cheapen them down to where they don't work .? Is the unit fairly light in comparison to the typical feeders ?? Dave
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As many of you know, I'm an auction hound. It really paid off recently when I found this bandsaw feeder, brand new in the box, and local!?
This is not your typical Comatic type bandsaw feeder. This is completely different, it's basically a infinitely variable speed edge sander, with a outboard pressure module. It's Italian made and was imported by Laguna for a little while. They reportedly tried
to have it copied in China and it didn't work out so well. I'd never seen or heard about this thing before, but we decided to give it a shot. The auction ended and we got it for about $800. Higher than I would have expected, but way cheaper than any other
bandsaw specific feeder.
We learned that it was supposed to attach to the Laguna Driftmaster Fence, which has also been discontinued. We ended up having a bracket fabricated to attach it the Felder 540's fence rail. We are intending to dedicate this saw to resaw, so we didn't mind
loosing the stock fence ability. The pressure module is designed to slide into the t-slot. As you know, the Felder slot is very shallow, so we milled the bar to fit, and just use a single clamp to keep it in place rather than drilling and tapping. It's also
easy to remove this way.
Here's a short video of it in action, and a photo of the cut. We are using a 3/4" Wood Slicer blade in the video. The quality on both sides, offcut and the thin piece are good enough to glue to. No need to re joint the plank before cutting another. We will
probably put a Lenox carbide blade on once we use up our stash of Slicer blades.
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Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Jason - that is sweet to watch and hear it run so smoothly. I just installed the Comatic AF110N on the LT24x24 that still has no guides (waiting on Italy and Covid) and I've been tweaking placement of the contact zone around?the tip of the blade, so it's really nice to see you are showing the cut all the way through the board, as few videos do.? I'm pretty sure your placement of the last contact looks terrific - what's the measurement? 10mm from the front of the teeth?
As an "aha!" I put the Kreg precision fence on this LT24 (yes, thanks Joel G!) and I've found?I can pull back this feeder and fence from both sides of the blade and still use that fence for "small work", a bonus I wasn't expecting.
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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That looks slick! Not used to seeing big coats and gloves in the workshop, was still in the high 80’s here last week… :-)
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On Nov 21, 2020, at 8:13 AM, Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote:
As many of you know, I'm an auction hound. It really paid off recently when I found this bandsaw feeder, brand new in the box, and local!? This is not your typical Comatic type bandsaw feeder. This is completely different, it's basically a infinitely variable speed edge sander, with a outboard pressure module. It's Italian made and was imported by Laguna for a little while. They reportedly tried to have it copied in China and it didn't work out so well. I'd never seen or heard about this thing before, but we decided to give it a shot. The auction ended and we got it for about $800. Higher than I would have expected, but way cheaper than any other bandsaw specific feeder. We learned that it was supposed to attach to the Laguna Driftmaster Fence, which has also been discontinued. We ended up having a bracket fabricated to attach it the Felder 540's fence rail. We are intending to dedicate this saw to resaw, so we didn't mind loosing the stock fence ability. The pressure module is designed to slide into the t-slot. As you know, the Felder slot is very shallow, so we milled the bar to fit, and just use a single clamp to keep it in place rather than drilling and tapping. It's also easy to remove this way. Here's a short video of it in action, and a photo of the cut. We are using a 3/4" Wood Slicer blade in the video. The quality on both sides, offcut and the thin piece are good enough to glue to. No need to re joint the plank before cutting another. We will probably put a Lenox carbide blade on once we use up our stash of Slicer blades. -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Brian, hasn't been 80's here for a couple months. This was first thing in the morning when the heat is just coming up in the shop.
Dave, this feeder is heavy. You would not want to take it on and off very often.?
Brett, because of the pressure module being mounted in the t slot, it's totally adjustable front to back. Yes, this was set with the apex of the rear wheel just behind the teeth of the blade. We have it set up to cut door skin veneer here, about 3/16" thick. The?pressure module has in and out adjustment via a hand crank, and we've determined that for each slice you cut off of your board, 1.5 cranks will be perfect pressure for the next slice. It's so easy it feels like cheating.
One improvement we are going to be making-is adding a contact roller or curved fence type device above the belt, inline with the blade to provide support for taller work. The belt is only 6" wide, so presumably resawing a 12" wide plank might introduce some inconsistency.?
I might resaw the super figured red gum eucalyptus I have without fear of screwing it up! Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Cool Jason!,? My shop gets up to 35 40 F in winter, little ceramic heater is my friend no sense heating 3600 sq ft for on body? Designing and building for 50 years
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? Brian, hasn't been 80's here for a couple months. This was first thing in the morning when the heat is just coming up in the shop.
Dave, this feeder is heavy. You would not want to take it on and off very often.?
Brett, because of the pressure module being mounted in the t slot, it's totally adjustable front to back. Yes, this was set with the apex of the rear wheel just behind the teeth of the blade. We have it set up to cut door skin veneer here, about 3/16" thick. The?pressure module has in and out adjustment via a hand crank, and we've determined that for each slice you cut off of your board, 1.5 cranks will be perfect pressure for the next slice. It's so easy it feels like cheating.
One improvement we are going to be making-is adding a contact roller or curved fence type device above the belt, inline with the blade to provide support for taller work. The belt is only 6" wide, so presumably resawing a 12" wide plank might introduce some inconsistency.?
I might resaw the super figured red gum eucalyptus I have without fear of screwing it up! Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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jason,
that is a sweet setup.
imran
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On Nov 21, 2020, at 10:13 AM, Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> wrote: ?As many of you know, I'm an auction hound. It really paid off recently when I found this bandsaw feeder, brand new in the box, and local!? This is not your typical Comatic type bandsaw feeder. This is completely different, it's basically a infinitely variable speed edge sander, with a outboard pressure module. It's Italian made and was imported by Laguna for a little while. They reportedly tried to have it copied in China and it didn't work out so well. I'd never seen or heard about this thing before, but we decided to give it a shot. The auction ended and we got it for about $800. Higher than I would have expected, but way cheaper than any other bandsaw specific feeder. We learned that it was supposed to attach to the Laguna Driftmaster Fence, which has also been discontinued. We ended up having a bracket fabricated to attach it the Felder 540's fence rail. We are intending to dedicate this saw to resaw, so we didn't mind loosing the stock fence ability. The pressure module is designed to slide into the t-slot. As you know, the Felder slot is very shallow, so we milled the bar to fit, and just use a single clamp to keep it in place rather than drilling and tapping. It's also easy to remove this way. Here's a short video of it in action, and a photo of the cut. We are using a 3/4" Wood Slicer blade in the video. The quality on both sides, offcut and the thin piece are good enough to glue to. No need to re joint the plank before cutting another. We will probably put a Lenox carbide blade on once we use up our stash of Slicer blades. -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Wow that's great. I would buy that in a instant for that price. There are not that many options for resaw feeders and they are so important. I have some homemade pressure wheels and use a power feeder with it at times. But it's too much setup for both. When you go to the Lenox carbide you will not believe the difference. It will be hard to go back to plain steel blades.
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Lenox carbide rocks!
I honestly don't understand why people are still using regular spring steel induction hardened blades or even bi-metal blades for resaw when the results from the carbide bandsaw blades are so much better? I am using a Lenox carbide blade on a MiniMax MM16 and the results are beautiful. Yes, it is more expensive but it lasts for very long time so the overall cost is lower. Maybe on a horizontal sawmill that might get rough or uncut lumber with nails and bullets you don't want to risk an expensive blade but for shop made veneer and bookmatched pieces it is hard not to see the benefits of carbide bandsaw blade.
What am I missing?
Ariel
in Los Angeles
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I just bought a used MM16 bandsaw .. Any suggestion on the item number for Lenox carbide blade your using? ?Do you detention it after use? ??? ? Regards, ? Chris Perren 512-415-6951 ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of ahazi Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 11:37 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [FOG] New resaw setup ? Lenox carbide rocks!
I honestly don't understand why people are still using regular spring steel induction hardened blades or even bi-metal blades for resaw when the results from the carbide bandsaw blades is so much better? I am using a Lenox carbide blade on a MiniMax MM16 and the results are beautiful. Yes, it is more expensive but it lasts for very long time so the overall cost is lower. Maybe on a horizontal sawmill that might get rough or uncut lumber with nails and bullets you don't want to risk an expensive blade but for shop made veneer and bookmatched pieces it is hard not to see the benefits of carbide bandsaw blade.
What am I missing?
Ariel
in Los Angeles
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Ariel, I don’t think you are missing a thing! I don’t have Lenox blades, but I do have resaw king blades on my Italian laguna and they perform exceptionally well. I have two and the one blade has been going strong since 2004. I am the second owner of the saw and the blade, but I’ve personally had it sharpened 2-3 times. I’m about due to send in both of my blades for sharpening. I just resawed a 7-8” tall piece of 8/4 Sapele and the saw was groaning a bit under my feedrate. I think I average about a year’s use for hobbyist work between sharpening.?
Chris, I don’t de-tension my 20” saw. Your wheels will be slightly narrower, but i haven’t seen any ill effect in 4-5 years of being lazy.?
Patrick
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 12:45 PM Chris Perren < cperren@...> wrote: I just bought a used MM16 bandsaw .. Any suggestion on the item number for Lenox carbide blade your using?? Do you detention it after use? ??? ? Regards, ? Chris Perren 512-415-6951 ? ? Lenox carbide rocks!
I honestly don't understand why people are still using regular spring steel induction hardened blades or even bi-metal blades for resaw when the results from the carbide bandsaw blades is so much better? I am using a Lenox carbide blade on a MiniMax MM16 and the results are beautiful. Yes, it is more expensive but it lasts for very long time so the overall cost is lower. Maybe on a horizontal sawmill that might get rough or uncut lumber with nails and bullets you don't want to risk an expensive blade but for shop made veneer and bookmatched pieces it is hard not to see the benefits of carbide bandsaw blade.
What am I missing?
Ariel
in Los Angeles
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i also have laguna resaw king. i think many just do not use it enough or do not have the means or are cannot justify the $200+ price tag.
imran
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On Nov 23, 2020, at 12:55 PM, Patrick Kane <pwk5017@...> wrote: ? Ariel, I don’t think you are missing a thing! I don’t have Lenox blades, but I do have resaw king blades on my Italian laguna and they perform exceptionally well. I have two and the one blade has been going strong since 2004. I am the second owner of the saw and the blade, but I’ve personally had it sharpened 2-3 times. I’m about due to send in both of my blades for sharpening. I just resawed a 7-8” tall piece of 8/4 Sapele and the saw was groaning a bit under my feedrate. I think I average about a year’s use for hobbyist work between sharpening.?
Chris, I don’t de-tension my 20” saw. Your wheels will be slightly narrower, but i haven’t seen any ill effect in 4-5 years of being lazy.?
Patrick On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 12:45 PM Chris Perren < cperren@...> wrote: I just bought a used MM16 bandsaw .. Any suggestion on the item number for Lenox carbide blade your using?? Do you detention it after use? ??? ? Regards, ? Chris Perren 512-415-6951 ? ? Lenox carbide rocks!
I honestly don't understand why people are still using regular spring steel induction hardened blades or even bi-metal blades for resaw when the results from the carbide bandsaw blades is so much better? I am using a Lenox carbide blade on a MiniMax MM16 and the results are beautiful. Yes, it is more expensive but it lasts for very long time so the overall cost is lower. Maybe on a horizontal sawmill that might get rough or uncut lumber with nails and bullets you don't want to risk an expensive blade but for shop made veneer and bookmatched pieces it is hard not to see the benefits of carbide bandsaw blade.
What am I missing?
Ariel
in Los Angeles
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Thanks .. My preference is not to de-tension it every other day.?? Any recommendations between Lenox Tri-Master versus Laguna Resaw king? I’m assuming they are similar ? Regards, ? Chris Perren 512-415-6951 ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of imranindiana via groups.io Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 12:04 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [FOG] New resaw setup ? i also have laguna resaw king. i think many just do not use it enough or do not have the means or are cannot justify the $200+ price tag.
On Nov 23, 2020, at 12:55 PM, Patrick Kane <pwk5017@...> wrote:
? Ariel, I don’t think you are missing a thing! I don’t have Lenox blades, but I do have resaw king blades on my Italian laguna and they perform exceptionally well. I have two and the one blade has been going strong since 2004. I am the second owner of the saw and the blade, but I’ve personally had it sharpened 2-3 times. I’m about due to send in both of my blades for sharpening. I just resawed a 7-8” tall piece of 8/4 Sapele and the saw was groaning a bit under my feedrate. I think I average about a year’s use for hobbyist work between sharpening.? Chris, I don’t de-tension my 20” saw. Your wheels will be slightly narrower, but i haven’t seen any ill effect in 4-5 years of being lazy.? ? On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 12:45 PM Chris Perren <cperren@...> wrote: I just bought a used MM16 bandsaw .. Any suggestion on the item number for Lenox carbide blade your using?? Do you detention it after use? ??? ? Regards, ? Chris Perren 512-415-6951 ? ? Lenox carbide rocks!
I honestly don't understand why people are still using regular spring steel induction hardened blades or even bi-metal blades for resaw when the results from the carbide bandsaw blades is so much better? I am using a Lenox carbide blade on a MiniMax MM16 and the results are beautiful. Yes, it is more expensive but it lasts for very long time so the overall cost is lower. Maybe on a horizontal sawmill that might get rough or uncut lumber with nails and bullets you don't want to risk an expensive blade but for shop made veneer and bookmatched pieces it is hard not to see the benefits of carbide bandsaw blade.
What am I missing?
Ariel
in Los Angeles
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I had my Lennox trimaster sharpened about a month ago at a local shop I like. ?They charged 45 dollars for my 20 inch mini max. ?Is that a reasonable price? ?They did a great job. ?
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On Nov 23, 2020, at 12:55 PM, Patrick Kane <pwk5017@...> wrote:
? Ariel, I don’t think you are missing a thing! I don’t have Lenox blades, but I do have resaw king blades on my Italian laguna and they perform exceptionally well. I have two and the one blade has been going strong since 2004. I am the second owner of the saw and the blade, but I’ve personally had it sharpened 2-3 times. I’m about due to send in both of my blades for sharpening. I just resawed a 7-8” tall piece of 8/4 Sapele and the saw was groaning a bit under my feedrate. I think I average about a year’s use for hobbyist work between sharpening.?
Chris, I don’t de-tension my 20” saw. Your wheels will be slightly narrower, but i haven’t seen any ill effect in 4-5 years of being lazy.?
Patrick On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 12:45 PM Chris Perren < cperren@...> wrote: I just bought a used MM16 bandsaw .. Any suggestion on the item number for Lenox carbide blade your using?? Do you detention it after use? ??? ? Regards, ? Chris Perren 512-415-6951 ? ? Lenox carbide rocks!
I honestly don't understand why people are still using regular spring steel induction hardened blades or even bi-metal blades for resaw when the results from the carbide bandsaw blades is so much better? I am using a Lenox carbide blade on a MiniMax MM16 and the results are beautiful. Yes, it is more expensive but it lasts for very long time so the overall cost is lower. Maybe on a horizontal sawmill that might get rough or uncut lumber with nails and bullets you don't want to risk an expensive blade but for shop made veneer and bookmatched pieces it is hard not to see the benefits of carbide bandsaw blade.
What am I missing?
Ariel
in Los Angeles
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Philip
davidsonukuleles.com
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Lenox Trimaster? 12 feet, 10 inches; width 1 inch, toothset 3/4 v
This is from my order from BandSawBladesDirect, in 2012. Yeah, they last a long time if you take care of them.
I detension almost every time, except when I forget.
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I'm using a 1" x .035 x 1.3 Teeth per inch.? Lenox Woodmaster Carbide. I did detention it for a while but lately I've been lazy.? Seems to be fine. I only use it for resaw.? I'm still on my first blade and have cut miles of hardwood with it. I don't use it if there is a chance of any metal etc in the wood.? I think a 16" bandsaw is about the minimum wheel size you are supposed to use. But you might want to check on that to be sure.
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Chris,? I have the Lenox WoodMASTER CT? 1" 1.3 TPI.? I don't think anyone is resharpening these.? It's too bad as it's an amazing blade.? I have no experience with the Laguna, so can't say which is better.? The Laguna can be resharpened and I imagine it's a great blade also. I'm still on my first Lenox blade after two years and and a lot of cutting. I made 800 sf of maple engineered flooring with this blade, cutting 6" to 9" stock.
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Engineered flooring I made with the Lenox CT 
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Thanks Tom.. I’m leaning toward the Lenox Tri-master for my new “used” MM16..? I’m not a fan of de-tension a blades at the end of the job. Plus I’ve actually mess up a blade by turning the saw on while the blade was de-tension… ????????? ? Regards, ? Chris Perren 512-415-6951 ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of tomruth@... Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 11:20 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [FOG] New resaw setup ? Chris,? I have the Lenox WoodMASTER CT? 1" 1.3 TPI.? I don't think anyone is resharpening these.? It's too bad as it's an amazing blade.? I have no experience with the Laguna, so can't say which is better.? The Laguna can be resharpened and I imagine it's a great blade also. I'm still on my first Lenox blade after two years and and a lot of cutting. I made 800 sf of maple engineered flooring with this blade, cutting 6" to 9" stock.
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nice. never thought of building engineered flooring. what was your reason to do so, considering it is likely not cost effective (i could be wrong since i have not looked at prices but it is hard to beat mass production efficiency)?
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is it wider than what you could buy?
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obviously, total selection of wood has it’s value. if possible, please share how you did it, including choice of joinery. is it a floating installation?
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imran
On Nov 24, 2020, at 12:22 PM, tomruth@... wrote:
Engineered flooring I cut with the Lenox CT
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Jason Holtz
imran