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i made these mitered frames to wrap pressure treated porch posts
i made one 45 cut and then instead of setting the xcut fence to the opposing 45, i flipped material 180 lengthwise and made the opposing cut with material upside down. i could not do that with KF700 because it does not have scoring. this is probably a std practice but new for me.
even though miters were perfect i did get occasional height variation on assembly with kreg pocket screws. this is with predrilling the opposite side and best clamping i could do. so not sure if i can improve it any more.
imran
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I have used a lamello in the past wit pocket screw to prevent shifting?
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On Nov 20, 2020, at 2:43 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? i made these mitered frames to wrap pressure treated porch postsi made one 45 cut and then instead of setting the xcut fence to the opposing 45, i flipped material 180 lengthwise and made the opposing cut with material upside down. i could not do that with KF700 because it does not have scoring. this is probably a std practice but new for me.even though miters were perfect i did get occasional height variation on assembly with kreg pocket screws. this is with predrilling the opposite side and best clamping i could do. so not sure if i can improve it any more.imran<image0.jpeg>
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Imran,
Sell your Kreg pocket jig (I have to say it is a defective?product by design) and buy Castle 110? :)
James
On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 2:43 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: i made these mitered frames to wrap pressure treated porch posts
i made one 45 cut and then instead of setting the xcut fence to the opposing 45, i flipped material 180 lengthwise and made the opposing cut with material upside down. i could not do that with KF700 because it does not have scoring. this is probably a std practice but new for me.
even though miters were perfect i did get occasional height variation on assembly with kreg pocket screws. this is with predrilling the opposite side and best clamping i could do. so not sure if i can improve it any more.
imran
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Hey Imran,
In the face of Kreg-jig-criticism, I must say the grain orientation of your frame is magnificent. It’s quite mesmerising. Thanks for sharing.?
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On 21 Nov 2020, at 6:26 am, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
? Imran,
Sell your Kreg pocket jig (I have to say it is a defective?product by design) and buy Castle 110? :)
James On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 2:43 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: i made these mitered frames to wrap pressure treated porch posts
i made one 45 cut and then instead of setting the xcut fence to the opposing 45, i flipped material 180 lengthwise and made the opposing cut with material upside down. i could not do that with KF700 because it does not have scoring. this is probably a std practice but new for me.
even though miters were perfect i did get occasional height variation on assembly with kreg pocket screws. this is with predrilling the opposite side and best clamping i could do. so not sure if i can improve it any more.
imran
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Imran,
That is a nice study in lines and angles. My KF has scoring.
Mark Foster
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On Nov 20, 2020, at 11:43 AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
i made these mitered frames to wrap pressure treated porch posts
i made one 45 cut and then instead of setting the xcut fence to the opposing 45, i flipped material 180 lengthwise and made the opposing cut with material upside down. i could not do that with KF700 because it does not have scoring. this is probably a std practice but new for me.
even though miters were perfect i did get occasional height variation on assembly with kreg pocket screws. this is with predrilling the opposite side and best clamping i could do. so not sure if i can improve it any more.
imran
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I agree, nice job. Lately, I’ve been using dowels for mitered corners on cabinet doors - easy with the DowelMax jig. I wonder if 4 dowels per corner would work for this project? There is no shifting as with the Kreg jigs. This is easier than you would think.
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Imran,
Sell your Kreg pocket jig (I have to say it is a defective?product by design) and buy Castle 110??:)
James On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 2:43 PM imranindiana via ??<imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: i made these mitered frames to wrap pressure treated porch posts
i made one 45 cut and then instead of setting the xcut fence to the opposing 45, i flipped material 180 lengthwise and made the opposing cut with material upside down. i could not do that with KF700 because it does not have scoring. this is probably a std practice but new for me.
even though miters were perfect i did get occasional height variation on assembly with kreg pocket screws. this is with predrilling the opposite side and best clamping i could do. so not sure if i can improve it any more.
imran
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Wouldn’t say its defective by design, if you clamp the part flush to the table you shouldn’t get any part shift.?
You could also say that specific castle machine is defective by design in that its a 2 step process. Neither are really great for production, not sure if $400 is really worth it for the casual user compared to the less expensive kreg, i have the metal one that is no longer made so maybe there is something different about the geometry that makes it work better than the plastic version
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On Nov 20, 2020, at 3:26 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
? Imran,
Sell your Kreg pocket jig (I have to say it is a defective?product by design) and buy Castle 110? :)
James On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 2:43 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: i made these mitered frames to wrap pressure treated porch posts
i made one 45 cut and then instead of setting the xcut fence to the opposing 45, i flipped material 180 lengthwise and made the opposing cut with material upside down. i could not do that with KF700 because it does not have scoring. this is probably a std practice but new for me.
even though miters were perfect i did get occasional height variation on assembly with kreg pocket screws. this is with predrilling the opposite side and best clamping i could do. so not sure if i can improve it any more.
imran
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hi james,
i have no room and being a hobby WW i cannot justify the cost of castle - i guess i do remember FWW reviewing a table top version.
i got the foreman used so i do not have a lot in it. i do believe the folks here that have castle that it is a much better machine due to the lower angle. i do wonder though if it would have worked in this case. i cheated a bit to fit the pocket on this due to narrow material and a lower angle would create a longer pocket. not a concern for butt joints though.
BTW, i also made a similar mitered frame out of pressure treated wood that would sit on concrete as the base of this post wrap. i glued those miters and that was even harder to avoid shifting.
i can use domino and if miters are as perfect as i got this time just a tape should be enough.
i also have a table top machine that routes pockets (like hoffman) in the shape of ibeam. i have not yet put it into use. so i have another option to try.
imran
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On Nov 20, 2020, at 3:26 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote: ? Imran,
Sell your Kreg pocket jig (I have to say it is a defective?product by design) and buy Castle 110? :)
James On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 2:43 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: i made these mitered frames to wrap pressure treated porch posts
i made one 45 cut and then instead of setting the xcut fence to the opposing 45, i flipped material 180 lengthwise and made the opposing cut with material upside down. i could not do that with KF700 because it does not have scoring. this is probably a std practice but new for me.
even though miters were perfect i did get occasional height variation on assembly with kreg pocket screws. this is with predrilling the opposite side and best clamping i could do. so not sure if i can improve it any more.
imran
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mark,
i have the metal one as well. pockets are fine and really easy (enjoyable) to drill. this was soft material, maybe i can clamp the hardwoods better. i was quiet hopeful that predrilling the opposite part would help. it did but did not eliminate the issue. again, i imagine it would be less likely in hardwood.
imran
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On Nov 20, 2020, at 4:00 PM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote: ? Wouldn’t say its defective by design, if you clamp the part flush to the table you shouldn’t get any part shift.?
You could also say that specific castle machine is defective by design in that its a 2 step process. Neither are really great for production, not sure if $400 is really worth it for the casual user compared to the less expensive kreg, i have the metal one that is no longer made so maybe there is something different about the geometry that makes it work better than the plastic version On Nov 20, 2020, at 3:26 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
? Imran,
Sell your Kreg pocket jig (I have to say it is a defective?product by design) and buy Castle 110? :)
James On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 2:43 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: i made these mitered frames to wrap pressure treated porch posts
i made one 45 cut and then instead of setting the xcut fence to the opposing 45, i flipped material 180 lengthwise and made the opposing cut with material upside down. i could not do that with KF700 because it does not have scoring. this is probably a std practice but new for me.
even though miters were perfect i did get occasional height variation on assembly with kreg pocket screws. this is with predrilling the opposite side and best clamping i could do. so not sure if i can improve it any more.
imran
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Lucky and Mark F,
i consider myself easily pleased by such things but glad i am not alone ?
imran
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On Nov 20, 2020, at 3:45 PM, David Luckensmeyer <dhluckens@...> wrote: ? Hey Imran,
In the face of Kreg-jig-criticism, I must say the grain orientation of your frame is magnificent. It’s quite mesmerising. Thanks for sharing.? On 21 Nov 2020, at 6:26 am, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
? Imran,
Sell your Kreg pocket jig (I have to say it is a defective?product by design) and buy Castle 110? :)
James On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 2:43 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: i made these mitered frames to wrap pressure treated porch posts
i made one 45 cut and then instead of setting the xcut fence to the opposing 45, i flipped material 180 lengthwise and made the opposing cut with material upside down. i could not do that with KF700 because it does not have scoring. this is probably a std practice but new for me.
even though miters were perfect i did get occasional height variation on assembly with kreg pocket screws. this is with predrilling the opposite side and best clamping i could do. so not sure if i can improve it any more.
imran
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Mark K,
i have no doubt dowels would work and this size should not require more than couple to prevent rotation.
imran
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On Nov 20, 2020, at 4:00 PM, Mark Koury <mhkoury@...> wrote: ? I agree, nice job. Lately, I’ve been using dowels for mitered corners on cabinet doors - easy with the DowelMax jig. I wonder if 4 dowels per corner would work for this project? There is no shifting as with the Kreg jigs. This is easier than you would think.
Mark
Imran,
Sell your Kreg pocket jig (I have to say it is a defective?product by design) and buy Castle 110??:)
James On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 2:43 PM imranindiana via ??<imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: i made these mitered frames to wrap pressure treated porch posts
i made one 45 cut and then instead of setting the xcut fence to the opposing 45, i flipped material 180 lengthwise and made the opposing cut with material upside down. i could not do that with KF700 because it does not have scoring. this is probably a std practice but new for me.
even though miters were perfect i did get occasional height variation on assembly with kreg pocket screws. this is with predrilling the opposite side and best clamping i could do. so not sure if i can improve it any more.
imran
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I hated my Kreg.? If I clamped it would be aligned until I removed the clamp.? Unless I glued, Kreg screwed, left in the clamp until dry, the sucker
moved every time.? Plenty good for house flipper crowd on HGTV but no accurate enough for me.? 1/64th shift.? I even thought about creating a shim to pre-offset.
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Gave the Kreg away and bought the Castle, no shift, love it
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Wouldn’t say its defective by design, if you clamp the part flush to the table you shouldn’t get any part shift.?
You could also say that specific castle machine is defective by design in that its a 2 step process. Neither are really great for production, not sure if $400 is really worth it for the casual user compared to the less expensive kreg, i
have the metal one that is no longer made so maybe there is something different about the geometry that makes it work better than the plastic version
?
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Imran,
Sell your Kreg pocket jig (I have to say it is a defective?product by design) and buy Castle 110? :)
?
On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 2:43 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
i made these mitered frames to wrap pressure treated porch posts
i made one 45 cut and then instead of setting the xcut fence to the opposing 45, i flipped material 180 lengthwise and made the opposing cut with material upside down. i could not do that with KF700 because it does not have scoring. this is probably a std practice
but new for me.
even though miters were perfect i did get occasional height variation on assembly with kreg pocket screws. this is with predrilling the opposite side and best clamping i could do. so not sure if i can improve it any more.
imran
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I cannot agree more with Joe! I hate fighting against the tool which does not do its job it is supposed to be.
$400 for the lowest Castle 110 is a small price for the same perfect result and your happiness :)
James
I hated my Kreg.? If I clamped it would be aligned until I removed the clamp.? Unless I glued, Kreg screwed, left in the clamp until dry, the sucker
moved every time.? Plenty good for house flipper crowd on HGTV but no accurate enough for me.? 1/64th shift.? I even thought about creating a shim to pre-offset.
?
Gave the Kreg away and bought the Castle, no shift, love it
?
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Wouldn’t say its defective by design, if you clamp the part flush to the table you shouldn’t get any part shift.?
You could also say that specific castle machine is defective by design in that its a 2 step process. Neither are really great for production, not sure if $400 is really worth it for the casual user compared to the less expensive kreg, i
have the metal one that is no longer made so maybe there is something different about the geometry that makes it work better than the plastic version
?
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Imran,
Sell your Kreg pocket jig (I have to say it is a defective?product by design) and buy Castle 110? :)
?
On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 2:43 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
i made these mitered frames to wrap pressure treated porch posts
i made one 45 cut and then instead of setting the xcut fence to the opposing 45, i flipped material 180 lengthwise and made the opposing cut with material upside down. i could not do that with KF700 because it does not have scoring. this is probably a std practice
but new for me.
even though miters were perfect i did get occasional height variation on assembly with kreg pocket screws. this is with predrilling the opposite side and best clamping i could do. so not sure if i can improve it any more.
imran
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Imran, I do not have scoring on my KF pro from years ago but I haven’t hesitated to cut 45s the way you describe so I am wondering if you could explain how the scoring blade makes that much difference. ? We’re you getting tear out without it? Philip Davidson?
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On Nov 20, 2020, at 4:09 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? hi james,
i have no room and being a hobby WW i cannot justify the cost of castle - i guess i do remember FWW reviewing a table top version.
i got the foreman used so i do not have a lot in it. i do believe the folks here that have castle that it is a much better machine due to the lower angle. i do wonder though if it would have worked in this case. i cheated a bit to fit the pocket on this due to narrow material and a lower angle would create a longer pocket. not a concern for butt joints though.
BTW, i also made a similar mitered frame out of pressure treated wood that would sit on concrete as the base of this post wrap. i glued those miters and that was even harder to avoid shifting.
i can use domino and if miters are as perfect as i got this time just a tape should be enough.
i also have a table top machine that routes pockets (like hoffman) in the shape of ibeam. i have not yet put it into use. so i have another option to try.
imran
On Nov 20, 2020, at 3:26 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
? Imran,
Sell your Kreg pocket jig (I have to say it is a defective?product by design) and buy Castle 110? :)
James On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 2:43 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: i made these mitered frames to wrap pressure treated porch posts
i made one 45 cut and then instead of setting the xcut fence to the opposing 45, i flipped material 180 lengthwise and made the opposing cut with material upside down. i could not do that with KF700 because it does not have scoring. this is probably a std practice but new for me.
even though miters were perfect i did get occasional height variation on assembly with kreg pocket screws. this is with predrilling the opposite side and best clamping i could do. so not sure if i can improve it any more.
imran
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I could not agree more. ?The Kreg system is an invitation to ongoing frustration. ?Castle rules - love my TMS-21.
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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I hated my Kreg.? If I clamped it would be aligned until I removed the clamp.? Unless I glued, Kreg screwed, left in the clamp until dry, the sucker
moved every time.? Plenty good for house flipper crowd on HGTV but no accurate enough for me.? 1/64th shift.? I even thought about creating a shim to pre-offset. ? Gave the Kreg away and bought the Castle, no shift, love it ?
? Wouldn’t say its defective by design, if you clamp the part flush to the table you shouldn’t get any part shift.?
You could also say that specific castle machine is defective by design in that its a 2 step process. Neither are really great for production, not sure if $400 is really worth it for the casual user compared to the less expensive kreg, i
have the metal one that is no longer made so maybe there is something different about the geometry that makes it work better than the plastic version
?
?
Imran,
Sell your Kreg pocket jig (I have to say it is a defective?product by design) and buy Castle 110? :)
?
On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 2:43 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
i made these mitered frames to wrap pressure treated porch posts
i made one 45 cut and then instead of setting the xcut fence to the opposing 45, i flipped material 180 lengthwise and made the opposing cut with material upside down. i could not do that with KF700 because it does not have scoring. this is probably a std practice
but new for me.
even though miters were perfect i did get occasional height variation on assembly with kreg pocket screws. this is with predrilling the opposite side and best clamping i could do. so not sure if i can improve it any more.
imran
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Hi Philip,
i know it is common practice to make extra parts in case some are lost but i have never practiced that. so i am extra careful to avoid a process that has risk. i would have done this on miter saw in past.
i am sure we are talking solid wood, because i get tear out on xcutting ply for sure. from memory, i have experienced tear out on bottom when xcutting once in a while but a bit more often when ripping. not sure if it considered tear out when it is along the grain. it results in not having a crisp 90 deg corner.
imran?
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On Nov 20, 2020, at 9:27 PM, Philip Davidson <pgdiv4@...> wrote: ? Imran, I do not have scoring on my KF pro from years ago but I haven’t hesitated to cut 45s the way you describe so I am wondering if you could explain how the scoring blade makes that much difference. ? We’re you getting tear out without it? Philip Davidson? On Nov 20, 2020, at 4:09 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? hi james,
i have no room and being a hobby WW i cannot justify the cost of castle - i guess i do remember FWW reviewing a table top version.
i got the foreman used so i do not have a lot in it. i do believe the folks here that have castle that it is a much better machine due to the lower angle. i do wonder though if it would have worked in this case. i cheated a bit to fit the pocket on this due to narrow material and a lower angle would create a longer pocket. not a concern for butt joints though.
BTW, i also made a similar mitered frame out of pressure treated wood that would sit on concrete as the base of this post wrap. i glued those miters and that was even harder to avoid shifting.
i can use domino and if miters are as perfect as i got this time just a tape should be enough.
i also have a table top machine that routes pockets (like hoffman) in the shape of ibeam. i have not yet put it into use. so i have another option to try.
imran
On Nov 20, 2020, at 3:26 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
? Imran,
Sell your Kreg pocket jig (I have to say it is a defective?product by design) and buy Castle 110? :)
James On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 2:43 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: i made these mitered frames to wrap pressure treated porch posts
i made one 45 cut and then instead of setting the xcut fence to the opposing 45, i flipped material 180 lengthwise and made the opposing cut with material upside down. i could not do that with KF700 because it does not have scoring. this is probably a std practice but new for me.
even though miters were perfect i did get occasional height variation on assembly with kreg pocket screws. this is with predrilling the opposite side and best clamping i could do. so not sure if i can improve it any more.
imran
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I've been using a Kreg Foreman for years. This is old, was probably?a prototype as there's even 80/20 caps on the fence extrusions. It's pneumatic, foot pedal actuated for clamp/drill cycle. It's a table top, tiny little thing.?
I don't like how the drill bit tears out on veneered plywood, but other than that it's totally fine and fast. I've never had much trouble with the shifting you all are complaining about. I apply a little glue, clamp flat to my table, and drive two screws. Unclamp and move onto the next. I like that it's quiet too. Those PC routers in the Castle machines are real screamers. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Randy also mentioned two (i assume opposing) screws work for him. i did not have room for that in this case. so looking forward to trying that before i give up. if i end up using it a lot, I would make a clamping station to allow 90 deg corner and T joints.
imran
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On Nov 21, 2020, at 9:56 AM, Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> wrote: ? I've been using a Kreg Foreman for years. This is old, was probably?a prototype as there's even 80/20 caps on the fence extrusions. It's pneumatic, foot pedal actuated for clamp/drill cycle. It's a table top, tiny little thing.?
I don't like how the drill bit tears out on veneered plywood, but other than that it's totally fine and fast. I've never had much trouble with the shifting you all are complaining about. I apply a little glue, clamp flat to my table, and drive two screws. Unclamp and move onto the next. I like that it's quiet too. Those PC routers in the Castle machines are real screamers. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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I have to say low angle pocket screws are a revolution the first time you use them.? My brother has a TSM-12 and was preaching to me about it...? So I happened to find a Porter Cable 552 New in the box (new old stock) on ebay for next to nothing.? Came in the original box.? It is basically a licensed copy, because Castle used to use porter cable routers in the machine.
It has one disadvantage from the Castle.? The Castle accepts stock up to 1.5" thick I believe, and the 552 only accepts 15/16" stock.
Amazing tool, makes cabinets Childs play.
If you find either for sale, buy it.
PK
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