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Just a curiosity. Do the on/off switches on the slider convey the signal with a wire or wirelessly? I have never seen an umbilical cord (in pics) but neither of my machines has this feature.
Looking thru the electrical schematics I noticed, IIRC, 433MHz, transmitter modules. That made me think that it is likely wireless.
BTW, how do you physically locate parts, shown on the schematic, on the machine? Anyhow, I would not be back in shop for 6 weeks ?
Imran
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On the k700s it is wired, the send 24v through one of the slide rail, the cord is on the bottom of the fixed portion of the slide extrusion
Regards, Mark
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On Jan 26, 2020, at 11:18 AM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
?Just a curiosity. Do the on/off switches on the slider convey the signal with a wire or wirelessly? I have never seen an umbilical cord (in pics) but neither of my machines has this feature.
Looking thru the electrical schematics I noticed, IIRC, 433MHz, transmitter modules. That made me think that it is likely wireless.
BTW, how do you physically locate parts, shown on the schematic, on the machine? Anyhow, I would not be back in shop for 6 weeks ?
Imran
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They convey it wirelessly.? In the electrical panel that houses the start/stop switches, the wireless modules are located there. These modules relay yo the motor to start up when the switches are pushed.? There is a transmitter receiver behind the switches on the sliding table.? Under the blavk plastic handle/tray of the remote switche is a coverplate that houses the 9v battery needed to work the remote switches.
Hope this makes sense..haha
On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 08:18:48 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Just a curiosity. Do the on/off switches on the slider convey the signal with a wire or wirelessly? I have never seen an umbilical cord (in pics) but neither of my machines has this feature.
Looking thru the electrical schematics I noticed, IIRC, 433MHz, transmitter modules. That made me think that it is likely wireless.
BTW, how do you physically locate parts, shown on the schematic, on the machine? Anyhow,? I would not be back in shop for 6 weeks ?
Imran
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There is a set of wires that runs from the remote switches inside the table. There is also a wire that plugs from the slider to the base.
Bill Belanger
On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 09:18 imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Just a curiosity. Do the on/off switches on the slider convey the signal with a wire or wirelessly? I have never seen an umbilical cord (in pics) but neither of my machines has this feature.
Looking thru the electrical schematics I noticed, IIRC, 433MHz, transmitter modules. That made me think that it is likely wireless.
BTW, how do you physically locate parts, shown on the schematic, on the machine? Anyhow,? I would not be back in shop for 6 weeks ?
Imran
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Bill.what saw do you have?
On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 09:21:25 AM PST, Bill B¨¦langer <bllblngr@...> wrote:
There is a set of wires that runs from the remote switches inside the table. There is also a wire that plugs from the slider to the base.
Bill Belanger
On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 09:18 imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Just a curiosity. Do the on/off switches on the slider convey the signal with a wire or wirelessly? I have never seen an umbilical cord (in pics) but neither of my machines has this feature.
Looking thru the electrical schematics I noticed, IIRC, 433MHz, transmitter modules. That made me think that it is likely wireless.
BTW, how do you physically locate parts, shown on the schematic, on the machine? Anyhow,? I would not be back in shop for 6 weeks ?
Imran
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On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 10:24 Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Bill.what saw do you have?
On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 09:21:25 AM PST, Bill B¨¦langer < bllblngr@...> wrote:
There is a set of wires that runs from the remote switches inside the table. There is also a wire that plugs from the slider to the base.
Bill Belanger On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 09:18 imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Just a curiosity. Do the on/off switches on the slider convey the signal with a wire or wirelessly? I have never seen an umbilical cord (in pics) but neither of my machines has this feature.
Looking thru the electrical schematics I noticed, IIRC, 433MHz, transmitter modules. That made me think that it is likely wireless.
BTW, how do you physically locate parts, shown on the schematic, on the machine? Anyhow,? I would not be back in shop for 6 weeks ?
Imran
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Forgot to add, the stop is wired, the start is wireless on the k700s
Regards, Mark
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On Jan 26, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Mark Kessler via Groups.Io <mkessler10@...> wrote:
?On the k700s it is wired, the send 24v through one of the slide rail, the cord is on the bottom of the fixed portion of the slide extrusion
Regards, Mark
On Jan 26, 2020, at 11:18 AM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
?Just a curiosity. Do the on/off switches on the slider convey the signal with a wire or wirelessly? I have never seen an umbilical cord (in pics) but neither of my machines has this feature.
Looking thru the electrical schematics I noticed, IIRC, 433MHz, transmitter modules. That made me think that it is likely wireless.
BTW, how do you physically locate parts, shown on the schematic, on the machine? Anyhow, I would not be back in shop for 6 weeks ?
Imran
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Thanks guys. From responses, appears Felder has done it both ways. My K975 does not have switches on slider. It would be an interesting project to do some mod. I think a pendent is the most user friendly option. Making it wireless would be interesting.?
Would like to hear from users about pendent vs switches on slider.
Imran On Jan 26, 2020, at 10:27 PM, Bill B¨¦langer <bllblngr@...> wrote:
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Bill Belanger? On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 10:24 Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Bill.what saw do you have?
On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 09:21:25 AM PST, Bill B¨¦langer < bllblngr@...> wrote:
There is a set of wires that runs from the remote switches inside the table. There is also a wire that plugs from the slider to the base.
Bill Belanger On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 09:18 imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Just a curiosity. Do the on/off switches on the slider convey the signal with a wire or wirelessly? I have never seen an umbilical cord (in pics) but neither of my machines has this feature.
Looking thru the electrical schematics I noticed, IIRC, 433MHz, transmitter modules. That made me think that it is likely wireless.
BTW, how do you physically locate parts, shown on the schematic, on the machine? Anyhow,? I would not be back in shop for 6 weeks ?
Imran
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I love the start/stop on the slider.. it just totally makes it easier to start up the main blade and scoring blade when cutting sheet goods..it was one of the main reasons I bought this particular saw. My old SCMI slider didnt have this feature and I would always have to crawl under the sheet to start up the saw.. drove me nuts
On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 01:56:03 PM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Thanks guys. From responses, appears Felder has done it both ways. My K975 does not have switches on slider. It would be an interesting project to do some mod. I think a pendent is the most user friendly option. Making it wireless would be interesting.?
Would like to hear from users about pendent vs switches on slider.
Imran On Jan 26, 2020, at 10:27 PM, Bill B¨¦langer <bllblngr@...> wrote:
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Bill Belanger? On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 10:24 Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Bill.what saw do you have?
On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 09:21:25 AM PST, Bill B¨¦langer < bllblngr@...> wrote:
There is a set of wires that runs from the remote switches inside the table. There is also a wire that plugs from the slider to the base.
Bill Belanger On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 09:18 imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Just a curiosity. Do the on/off switches on the slider convey the signal with a wire or wirelessly? I have never seen an umbilical cord (in pics) but neither of my machines has this feature.
Looking thru the electrical schematics I noticed, IIRC, 433MHz, transmitter modules. That made me think that it is likely wireless.
BTW, how do you physically locate parts, shown on the schematic, on the machine? Anyhow,? I would not be back in shop for 6 weeks ?
Imran
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My machine is a KF700 or 700S (I cant recall what the differnece is)
My slider has a remote start, but no remote stop (which is a bit frustrating).??
Having had the experience, I would go for a saw with a remote stop as it would be much more convenient (none of the stop switches are conveniently located when you are cutting big sheets).
Cheers
David
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It would appear that Felder has changed the remote start setup - at least for the USA. ? ?My Kappa 400 xMotion has two green ON buttons for remote start - one for the main saw blade, a second one for the scoring saw. ? This photo is taken from the Felder video on their web site documenting the remote start switches, and my Kappa 400 is exactly like this, and both buttons trigger the start function wirelessly:
On that same web page is a photo that documents a START and a STOP button, and a couple of users here have confirmed their machines are configured in this manner:
I appears the single start switch turns on both the main saw blade AND the scoring unit, which would drive me absolutely crazy, since my scoring saw automatically elevates into position when turned on. ? I may be misinterpreting this and would love to hear from a user with the newer style remote if that single switch does in fact fire up both saw and scoring units. ? ?If it does not, then do you still have to crawl under the plywood sheet mounted to the slider to start the scoring unit? ??
This seems illogical to me. ? Perhaps there is another switch somewhere that configures the single remote start button as to whether it starts only the main saw, or both the main saw and scoring. ? I would much rather have independent start buttons for ?saw and scorer than a stop button, since you can easily reach the stop switch on the face of the machine after cutting panel goods.
For decades Felder has maintained that putting a remote stop switch on the slider was not allowed by regulation since it was a wireless connection, and thus ¡°unsafe¡±. ? Now it appears, based on Mark¡¯s testimony, they have added a wired circuit at least for the STOP function. ? I wonder if this setup conforms to European regulations.
David Best
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My machine is a KF700 or 700S (I cant recall what the differnece is)
My slider has a remote start, but no remote stop (which is a bit frustrating).??
Having had the experience, I would go for a saw with a remote stop as it would be much more convenient (none of the stop switches are conveniently located when you are cutting big sheets).
Cheers
David
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This switch determines if the scoring starts up with the main blade or not...
Bill Belanger
It would appear that Felder has changed the remote start setup - at least for the USA. ? ?My Kappa 400 xMotion has two green ON buttons for remote start - one for the main saw blade, a second one for the scoring saw. ? This photo is taken from the Felder video on their web site documenting the remote start switches, and my Kappa 400 is exactly like this, and both buttons trigger the start function wirelessly:
On that same web page is a photo that documents a START and a STOP button, and a couple of users here have confirmed their machines are configured in this manner:
I appears the single start switch turns on both the main saw blade AND the scoring unit, which would drive me absolutely crazy, since my scoring saw automatically elevates into position when turned on. ? I may be misinterpreting this and would love to hear from a user with the newer style remote if that single switch does in fact fire up both saw and scoring units. ? ?If it does not, then do you still have to crawl under the plywood sheet mounted to the slider to start the scoring unit? ??
This seems illogical to me. ? Perhaps there is another switch somewhere that configures the single remote start button as to whether it starts only the main saw, or both the main saw and scoring. ? I would much rather have independent start buttons for ?saw and scorer than a stop button, since you can easily reach the stop switch on the face of the machine after cutting panel goods.
For decades Felder has maintained that putting a remote stop switch on the slider was not allowed by regulation since it was a wireless connection, and thus ¡°unsafe¡±. ? Now it appears, based on Mark¡¯s testimony, they have added a wired circuit at least for the STOP function. ? I wonder if this setup conforms to European regulations.
David Best
My machine is a KF700 or 700S (I cant recall what the differnece is)
My slider has a remote start, but no remote stop (which is a bit frustrating).??
Having had the experience, I would go for a saw with a remote stop as it would be much more convenient (none of the stop switches are conveniently located when you are cutting big sheets).
Cheers
David
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Thanks, Bill, that makes sense. ? Looks like they¡¯ve rethought how the scoring saw start function is controlled. ? Here¡¯s my heads-up display (two start buttons just like on the remote):
When I bought my Kappa 400 xMotion, automatic elevation of the scoring saw when it was turned on was an option. ? Looking at the Felder web site, the automatic elevation of the scoring saw is still an option (#88):
 The switching configuration on your machine only works properly with that option installed. ? I wonder what the switching configuration looks like when the auto-elevation system is NOT installed - particularly at the remote end.
David Best
This switch determines if the scoring starts up with the main blade or not...
Bill Belanger
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It would appear that Felder has changed the remote start setup - at least for the USA. ? ?My Kappa 400 xMotion has two green ON buttons for remote start - one for the main saw blade, a second one for the scoring saw. ? This photo is taken from the Felder video on their web site documenting the remote start switches, and my Kappa 400 is exactly like this, and both buttons trigger the start function wirelessly:
On that same web page is a photo that documents a START and a STOP button, and a couple of users here have confirmed their machines are configured in this manner:
I appears the single start switch turns on both the main saw blade AND the scoring unit, which would drive me absolutely crazy, since my scoring saw automatically elevates into position when turned on. ? I may be misinterpreting this and would love to hear from a user with the newer style remote if that single switch does in fact fire up both saw and scoring units. ? ?If it does not, then do you still have to crawl under the plywood sheet mounted to the slider to start the scoring unit? ??
This seems illogical to me. ? Perhaps there is another switch somewhere that configures the single remote start button as to whether it starts only the main saw, or both the main saw and scoring. ? I would much rather have independent start buttons for ?saw and scorer than a stop button, since you can easily reach the stop switch on the face of the machine after cutting panel goods.
For decades Felder has maintained that putting a remote stop switch on the slider was not allowed by regulation since it was a wireless connection, and thus ¡°unsafe¡±. ? Now it appears, based on Mark¡¯s testimony, they have added a wired circuit at least for the STOP function. ? I wonder if this setup conforms to European regulations.
David Best
My machine is a KF700 or 700S (I cant recall what the differnece is)
My slider has a remote start, but no remote stop (which is a bit frustrating).??
Having had the experience, I would go for a saw with a remote stop as it would be much more convenient (none of the stop switches are conveniently located when you are cutting big sheets).
Cheers
David
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My saw has just the start switches for both the main blade and scoring..no stop switch?
On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 03:59:55 PM PST, david@... <david@...> wrote:
It would appear that Felder has changed the remote start setup - at least for the USA. ? ?My Kappa 400 xMotion has two green ON buttons for remote start - one for the main saw blade, a second one for the scoring saw. ? This photo is taken from the Felder video on their web site documenting the remote start switches, and my Kappa 400 is exactly like this, and both buttons trigger the start function wirelessly:
On that same web page is a photo that documents a START and a STOP button, and a couple of users here have confirmed their machines are configured in this manner:
I appears the single start switch turns on both the main saw blade AND the scoring unit, which would drive me absolutely crazy, since my scoring saw automatically elevates into position when turned on. ? I may be misinterpreting this and would love to hear from a user with the newer style remote if that single switch does in fact fire up both saw and scoring units. ? ?If it does not, then do you still have to crawl under the plywood sheet mounted to the slider to start the scoring unit? ??
This seems illogical to me. ? Perhaps there is another switch somewhere that configures the single remote start button as to whether it starts only the main saw, or both the main saw and scoring. ? I would much rather have independent start buttons for ?saw and scorer than a stop button, since you can easily reach the stop switch on the face of the machine after cutting panel goods.
For decades Felder has maintained that putting a remote stop switch on the slider was not allowed by regulation since it was a wireless connection, and thus ¡°unsafe¡±. ? Now it appears, based on Mark¡¯s testimony, they have added a wired circuit at least for the STOP function. ? I wonder if this setup conforms to European regulations.
David Best
My machine is a KF700 or 700S (I cant recall what the differnece is)
My slider has a remote start, but no remote stop (which is a bit frustrating).??
Having had the experience, I would go for a saw with a remote stop as it would be much more convenient (none of the stop switches are conveniently located when you are cutting big sheets).
Cheers
David
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For the saws without the display looks like the switch to select scoring on/off is on the front panel, you can see it on the k740. Imho that config would be a bit of a pain, I would end up just leaving on all the time. I have mechanical scoring so not an issue for me
I also included some pics of the k700s start stop wiring
Regards, Mark
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On Jan 26, 2020, at 8:06 PM, "david@..." <david@...> wrote:
? Thanks, Bill, that makes sense. ? Looks like they¡¯ve rethought how the scoring saw start function is controlled. ? Here¡¯s my heads-up display (two start buttons just like on the remote):
When I bought my Kappa 400 xMotion, automatic elevation of the scoring saw when it was turned on was an option. ? Looking at the Felder web site, the automatic elevation of the scoring saw is still an option (#88):
<PastedGraphic-1.tiff> The switching configuration on your machine only works properly with that option installed. ? I wonder what the switching configuration looks like when the auto-elevation system is NOT installed - particularly at the remote end.
David Best
This switch determines if the scoring starts up with the main blade or not...
Bill Belanger It would appear that Felder has changed the remote start setup - at least for the USA. ? ?My Kappa 400 xMotion has two green ON buttons for remote start - one for the main saw blade, a second one for the scoring saw. ? This photo is taken from the Felder video on their web site documenting the remote start switches, and my Kappa 400 is exactly like this, and both buttons trigger the start function wirelessly:
On that same web page is a photo that documents a START and a STOP button, and a couple of users here have confirmed their machines are configured in this manner:
I appears the single start switch turns on both the main saw blade AND the scoring unit, which would drive me absolutely crazy, since my scoring saw automatically elevates into position when turned on. ? I may be misinterpreting this and would love to hear from a user with the newer style remote if that single switch does in fact fire up both saw and scoring units. ? ?If it does not, then do you still have to crawl under the plywood sheet mounted to the slider to start the scoring unit? ??
This seems illogical to me. ? Perhaps there is another switch somewhere that configures the single remote start button as to whether it starts only the main saw, or both the main saw and scoring. ? I would much rather have independent start buttons for ?saw and scorer than a stop button, since you can easily reach the stop switch on the face of the machine after cutting panel goods.
For decades Felder has maintained that putting a remote stop switch on the slider was not allowed by regulation since it was a wireless connection, and thus ¡°unsafe¡±. ? Now it appears, based on Mark¡¯s testimony, they have added a wired circuit at least for the STOP function. ? I wonder if this setup conforms to European regulations.
David Best
My machine is a KF700 or 700S (I cant recall what the differnece is)
My slider has a remote start, but no remote stop (which is a bit frustrating).??
Having had the experience, I would go for a saw with a remote stop as it would be much more convenient (none of the stop switches are conveniently located when you are cutting big sheets).
Cheers
David
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Same with the Kappa 550. On Jan 26, 2020, at 6:59 PM, david@... wrote:
It would appear that Felder has changed the remote start setup - at least for the USA. ? ?My Kappa 400 xMotion has two green ON buttons for remote start - one for the main saw blade, a second one for the scoring saw. ? This photo is taken from the Felder video on their web site documenting the remote start switches, and my Kappa 400 is exactly like this, and both buttons trigger the start function wirelessly:
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On that same web page is a photo that documents a START and a STOP button, and a couple of users here have confirmed their machines are configured in this manner:
<screenshot_2996.jpeg>
I appears the single start switch turns on both the main saw blade AND the scoring unit, which would drive me absolutely crazy, since my scoring saw automatically elevates into position when turned on. ? I may be misinterpreting this and would love to hear from a user with the newer style remote if that single switch does in fact fire up both saw and scoring units. ? ?If it does not, then do you still have to crawl under the plywood sheet mounted to the slider to start the scoring unit? ??
This seems illogical to me. ? Perhaps there is another switch somewhere that configures the single remote start button as to whether it starts only the main saw, or both the main saw and scoring. ? I would much rather have independent start buttons for ?saw and scorer than a stop button, since you can easily reach the stop switch on the face of the machine after cutting panel goods.
For decades Felder has maintained that putting a remote stop switch on the slider was not allowed by regulation since it was a wireless connection, and thus ¡°unsafe¡±. ? Now it appears, based on Mark¡¯s testimony, they have added a wired circuit at least for the STOP function. ? I wonder if this setup conforms to European regulations.
David Best
My machine is a KF700 or 700S (I cant recall what the differnece is)
My slider has a remote start, but no remote stop (which is a bit frustrating).??
Having had the experience, I would go for a saw with a remote stop as it would be much more convenient (none of the stop switches are conveniently located when you are cutting big sheets).
Cheers
David
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Is there any way to determine what options are available to retrofit a machine with the remote slider buttons? Mine has the belt driven scoring blade so I only need one start button. Stop probably isn't as big an issue since the table will be out of the way at that point.
My reading of the prior posts indicates that the switches used to be wired, but are now wireless. Which would be the preferred option for a 2018 KF700SP machine? Is this an "easy" retrofit for someone (me) with an industrial controls background? If so, and someone already has a parts list and schematic available, that would be awfully handy. I haven't gotten into my machine yet, but I'm assuming they are using a standard set of terminals and a contactor, adding parts based on the options ordered.
Thanks,
Brandon
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It shouldn't be to hard. The start button should be wired parallel the stop button in serie with the others.
The switches and the required gateway are quite expansive. I believe there recently was a thread on doing this with a Hammer saw. Shouldn't be to hard to find that using the search function and should probably without much adaptation fit the Felder electronics.
Regards,
Jonathan?
On Jul 28, 2021 19:22, Brandon Nickel <brandon.nickel@...> wrote: Is there any way to determine what options are available to retrofit a machine with the remote slider buttons? Mine has the belt driven scoring blade so I only need one start button. Stop probably isn't as big an issue since the table will be out of the way at that point.
My reading of the prior posts indicates that the switches used to be wired, but are now wireless. Which would be the preferred option for a 2018 KF700SP machine? Is this an "easy" retrofit for someone (me) with an industrial controls background? If so, and someone already has a parts list and schematic available, that would be awfully handy. I haven't gotten into my machine yet, but I'm assuming they are using a standard set of terminals and a contactor, adding parts based on the options ordered.
Thanks,
Brandon
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Brandon,
Check this post
If interested, I can send you the details I shared with Stan Blaszczyk.
Imran?
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On Jul 28, 2021, at 1:22 PM, Brandon Nickel <brandon.nickel@...> wrote: ?Is there any way to determine what options are available to retrofit a machine with the remote slider buttons? Mine has the belt driven scoring blade so I only need one start button. Stop probably isn't as big an issue since the table will be out of the way at that point.
My reading of the prior posts indicates that the switches used to be wired, but are now wireless. Which would be the preferred option for a 2018 KF700SP machine? Is this an "easy" retrofit for someone (me) with an industrial controls background? If so, and someone already has a parts list and schematic available, that would be awfully handy. I haven't gotten into my machine yet, but I'm assuming they are using a standard set of terminals and a contactor, adding parts based on the options ordered.
Thanks,
Brandon
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Brandon,?
My machine is 2019 kf700sp - the back round?plastic handle at the end of the slider is packed with the buttons and 2 wires go through slider, a hole in the chassis, and a couple terminals on the body block under the saw mechanism. I bet it's a Felder office telephone call part # if you are trying to keep OEM.
On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 12:54 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Brandon,
Check this post
If interested, I can send you the details I shared with Stan Blaszczyk.
Imran? ?Is there any way to determine what options are available to retrofit a machine with the remote slider buttons? Mine has the belt driven scoring blade so I only need one start button. Stop probably isn't as big an issue since the table will be out of the way at that point.
My reading of the prior posts indicates that the switches used to be wired, but are now wireless. Which would be the preferred option for a 2018 KF700SP machine? Is this an "easy" retrofit for someone (me) with an industrial controls background? If so, and someone already has a parts list and schematic available, that would be awfully handy. I haven't gotten into my machine yet, but I'm assuming they are using a standard set of terminals and a contactor, adding parts based on the options ordered.
Thanks,
Brandon
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