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Hi everyone,
I've got a hammer c3 31 on order (comfort option and dado enabled) and was planning on ordering a dado set for it. The consensus seems split between the felder/hammer dado set and the forrest dado king. There is scant mention of the ridge carbide 6"set milled to 30 mm which seems compatible with the c3 31. Any users out there who can vouch for the ridge sets? id like to order the box joint set aswell and both sets seem well made and cheaper than the felder/forrest alternatives. Thanks!

Hi, The Ridge set will work fine. Ridge has a very good reputation.
I believe part of the recommendation for either the Forrest of Felder/Hammer dados is that they come from the manufacturerer already bored for 30mm.
take care,
John

The problem with the Rigid set or Box joint set is getting the boring and
pin holes done so the blades align properly. Also need a set shims. Have
you checked the cost of having this done versus the Forrest dado king that
comes already to go. This to me gives the best bang for the buck.

John Kee
JMK Services



On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 12:48 AM, avocado150150
<wildernesswalden@...>wrote:

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Hi everyone,
I've got a hammer c3 31 on order (comfort option and dado enabled) and was
planning on ordering a dado set for it. The consensus seems split between
the felder/hammer dado set and the forrest dado king. There is scant
mention of the ridge carbide 6"set milled to 30 mm which seems compatible
with the c3 31. Any users out there who can vouch for the ridge sets? id
like to order the box joint set aswell and both sets seem well made and
cheaper than the felder/forrest alternatives. Thanks!

-


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Bear in mind that the hammer has furniture in the throat opening that serves as pivot points for the trunnion.
The location of one of these is critical to the limitations on the size of the dado blade you can use. Put the wrong blade in and when you raise the blade you will cut the saw's trunnion loose and have a very, very interesting few moments.
Yes, it is piss poor engineering to make a saw that can cut itself up like that, but there you go.

Odds are however, you will hear the blade slicing into the soft brass furniture and will shut it down before you have an energized motor and blade pack flopping around in you saw like an angry fish.

Exceed the limitation on any machine and you are inviting problems. The
Felder Dado limit is 200mm. The Hammer is 180mm. Putting a 12" dado on
Felder won't work either. Or putting a 16" blade on a machine designed for a
max 14" blade exceeds that limitation. Has nothing to do with as you call
piss poor engineering. If you don't like the limit, buy something else with
a larger limit.

There is nothing wrong with a 6" dado for panel work. Dado King, Ridge, Systematic, even Freud etc are all very good. A dado that is rebored needs to be resharpened to keep the tips even so it isn't cheap to convert. Many people use dados that are too big- not to fit - but for the strength of the trunnion. A full 10" dado weighs a lot and needs a heavy arbor assembly to spin it. Hammer was smart to limit the size. Dave

To: felder-woodworking@...
From: jrenzetti1@...
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 09:53:51 -0500
Subject: RE: [felder-woodworking] Ridge carbide dado on hammer c3 31


























Exceed the limitation on any machine and you are inviting problems. The

Felder Dado limit is 200mm. The Hammer is 180mm. Putting a 12" dado on

Felder won't work either. Or putting a 16" blade on a machine designed for a

max 14" blade exceeds that limitation. Has nothing to do with as you call

piss poor engineering. If you don't like the limit, buy something else with

a larger limit.

Hi David, You bring up a good point about the weight and forces of a larger
dado. I did some tests last year with Jim Stevens and we found that on some
materials like sheet goods with thin veneers, the 6" Forrest dado king gave
a better exact cut than the Hammer dado mounted on a Hammer or K500 saw.
Take care,
John

For my money John, the limitations on dado size are a nasty surprise, entirely the result of the dado on these machines being an afterthought developed after the machines were designed for a Euro market where dado is strictly a router slotting operation. It seemes that Felder marketing did not do well its research into the US and Canadian market. So they ended up with a machine with limitations and tradeoffs when sold into that market. I'd bet that some group in management looked at the accommodations needed to satisfy the US and Canadian dado preferences and selected the cheapest possible adjustment in the engineering and design.

I see it as awful engineering when a machine can be, not merely destroyed, but become a very dangerous thing, based on the unknowing error of an uninformed or untrained operator. And I think it goes without saying that the vast majority of people operating saws are not terribly well informed nor are they trained. I am frequently appalled at the utter innocence and uninformed ignorance I see on the part of a great many woodworking machine tool owners on various web sites. They plunk their money down and purchase machinery which they have no foundation upon which to operate safely. Fact is John, that a person switching from a conventional saw to a Hammer or Felder has a learning curve which nothing I saw in the literature that came with my saw prepared me for. On a conventional saw you are limited to your dado by throat size and engine power. If It it fits over the arbor an in the throat, you can spin it up. On the Hammer, as it regards dado blade sizes there is a surprise waiting for the unwary. Surprises of this sort fall into my idea of piss poor engineering.

Granted, it hardly makes fiscal sense for companies to insist on some level of training and certification prior to a sale, but if they are going to sell them to just anybody, wouldn't you agree that it makes some sense to engineer them accordingly?
I'm not a fan of safety gizmos nor silly rules like those about fingers not coming within X inches of a blade etc.. In fact I eschew them almost assiduously. However I am a big fan of good and contemplative engineering. The dado on the Hammer requires that the blade be set back beyond where the cutting blade safely rests. This places it in the path of the saw's furniture. A few dollars more and a little forethought on the part of the engineers would have eliminated this. It seems to me that the whole dado capability on these machines is the result of pure afterthought.

Yah I know, they were most probably engineered and designed for the Euro market where dado is a router operation and they don't even use the word dado preferring to call it a slotting operation. But then, they do sell them in the states where the dado is the norm. It should not have been an afterthought.

Or maybe your sentiment is more correct than I credit it? After all, engineers are no longer the driving management forces in engineering companies. I trained young engineers in the 1990s who reported to me that their professors in college told them that their proper roles were subordinate to marketing. This seemed to me to be an abomination. Engineers in my world are truth tellers and marketing is - - well - - anything but. So if the engineering desisions were subordinate to a handful of penny pinching administrative bureaucrats who probably ascended from marketing then it's not the engineer's fault. Or maybe it is.

--- In felder-woodworking@..., "avocado150150" <wildernesswalden@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,
I've got a hammer c3 31 on order (comfort option and dado enabled) and was planning on ordering a dado set for it. The consensus seems split between the felder/hammer dado set and the forrest dado king. There is scant mention of the ridge carbide 6"set milled to 30 mm which seems compatible with the c3 31. Any users out there who can vouch for the ridge sets? id like to order the box joint set aswell and both sets seem well made and cheaper than the felder/forrest alternatives. Thanks!

Thanks for all your replies!
Regarding the cost of the RC sets:
6" dado master is $204.95 bored to 30 mm with free shipping.
Online, the 6" 30 mm forrest dado king is listed at $324.75( also with free shipping).
So clearly theres a big price difference. So much so that I can add on a 6" 30 mm box joint set from RC for a grand total of $342.95. Forrest doesn't sell a 6" box joint set, AFAICT.
I'm just a hobby woodworker so I dont need a super charged setup and therefore think the 6" set will meet my needs, but I agree that its nice to have options when tooling a machine.
Just to clarify, when equipped with a 6" dado set, and therefore
within the capacity of the c3 saw, I shouldn't expect any mechanical problems, only when I go above 6" is when I can get into trouble. Is that the take home message?
Thanks again
Adam

Hi Adam, You are correct. The 6" dado will work fine. The limit on the
Hammer is 180mm or about 7".
Take care,
John

Well, Cliff, Since the USA market is only about 7-8% of total worldwide
sales for Felder, the Engineer/designers were probably given the task of
getting a dado to work within the existing framework of the whole
trunnion/saw assembly design. For a small part of the worldwide market it
wouldn't make much economic sense to redesign the whole assembly. While I
agree that excessive cost controls have put the engineering aspect in second
place in a lot of corporate marketing decisions, in this case it was a
matter for coming up with a workable design that would work with the present
saw assembly being sold worldwide. I think the designers/engineers did a
good job considering the design and cost constraints. It doesn't do a
company much good if the engineers design the ultimate gizmo but nobody buys
it because it's so expensive compared to the competition. You don't stay in
business very long if you do that.

Besides all that, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out there are limits to what fits and will work on a machine. For instance, because my shaper will take a 240mm diameter cutter in the hood, doesn't mean I can crank that sucker under the table.... geez, I didn't need a warning to even figure that one out. Besides, it's published what size of a dado set fits on the Felder/Hammer machines, it's not like it's a secret.

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
Weimaraner Rescue of Arizona
www.vswc.weimaraner.com click on "rescue dogs"



On Nov 18, 2012, at 1:31 PM, John Renzetti wrote:

Well, Cliff, Since the USA market is only about 7-8% of total worldwide
sales for Felder, the Engineer/designers were probably given the task of
getting a dado to work within the existing framework of the whole
trunnion/saw assembly design. For a small part of the worldwide market it
wouldn't make much economic sense to redesign the whole assembly. While I
agree that excessive cost controls have put the engineering aspect in second
place in a lot of corporate marketing decisions, in this case it was a
matter for coming up with a workable design that would work with the present
saw assembly being sold worldwide. I think the designers/engineers did a
good job considering the design and cost constraints. It doesn't do a
company much good if the engineers design the ultimate gizmo but nobody buys
it because it's so expensive compared to the competition. You don't stay in
business very long if you do that.

-----Original Message-----
From: felder-woodworking@...
[mailto:felder-woodworking@...] On Behalf Of Cliff Rohrabacher
Esq.
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 11:58 AM
To: felder-woodworking@...
Cc: John Renzetti
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Ridge carbide dado on hammer c3 31

For my money John, the limitations on dado size are a nasty surprise,
entirely the result of the dado on these machines being an afterthought
developed after the machines were designed for a Euro market where dado is
strictly a router slotting operation. It seemes that Felder marketing did
not do well its research into the US and Canadian
market. So they ended up with a machine with limitations and tradeoffs
when sold into that market. I'd bet that some group in management looked at
the accommodations needed to satisfy the US and Canadian dado preferences
and selected the cheapest possible adjustment in the engineering and
design.

I see it as awful engineering when a machine can be, not merely destroyed,
but become a very dangerous thing, based on the unknowing error of an
uninformed or untrained operator. And I think it goes without saying that
the vast majority of people operating saws are not
terribly well informed nor are they trained. I am frequently appalled
at the utter innocence and uninformed ignorance I see on the part of a great
many woodworking machine tool owners on various web sites. They plunk
their money down and purchase machinery which they have no
foundation upon which to operate safely. Fact is John, that a person
switching from a conventional saw to a Hammer or Felder has a learning
curve which nothing I saw in the literature that came with my saw prepared
me for. On a conventional saw you are limited to your dado by throat size
and engine power. If It it fits over the arbor an in the throat, you can
spin it up. On the Hammer, as it regards dado blade
sizes there is a surprise waiting for the unwary. Surprises of this
sort fall into my idea of piss poor engineering.

Granted, it hardly makes fiscal sense for companies to insist on some level
of training and certification prior to a sale, but if they are going to
sell them to just anybody, wouldn't you agree that it makes some sense to
engineer them accordingly?
I'm not a fan of safety gizmos nor silly rules like those about fingers not
coming within X inches of a blade etc.. In fact I eschew them almost
assiduously. However I am a big fan of good and contemplative
engineering. The dado on the Hammer requires that the blade be set back
beyond where the cutting blade safely rests. This places it in the path of
the saw's furniture. A few dollars more and a little
forethought on the part of the engineers would have eliminated this.
It seems to me that the whole dado capability on these machines is the
result of pure afterthought.

Yah I know, they were most probably engineered and designed for the Euro
market where dado is a router operation and they don't even use the word
dado preferring to call it a slotting operation. But then, they
do sell them in the states where the dado is the norm. It should not
have been an afterthought.

Or maybe your sentiment is more correct than I credit it? After all,
engineers are no longer the driving management forces in engineering
companies. I trained young engineers in the 1990s who reported to me that
their professors in college told them that their proper roles were
subordinate to marketing. This seemed to me to be an abomination.
Engineers in my world are truth tellers and marketing is - - well - -
anything but. So if the engineering desisions were subordinate to a handful
of penny pinching administrative bureaucrats who probably ascended from
marketing then it's not the engineer's fault. Or maybe it is.

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Just want to make sure your aware that you need more than a 30mm bore, you
also need to location pinholes drilled in the blades. I see no mention of
that cost on the Ridge Carbide site but see it included in the cost of the
Forrest dado for Felder machines. Just want to make sure your comparing
apples to apples.

John Kee
JMK Services

On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 2:40 PM, avocado150150
<wildernesswalden@...>wrote:

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--- In felder-woodworking@..., "avocado150150"
<wildernesswalden@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,
I've got a hammer c3 31 on order (comfort option and dado enabled) and

was planning on ordering a dado set for it. The consensus seems split
between the felder/hammer dado set and the forrest dado king. There is
scant mention of the ridge carbide 6"set milled to 30 mm which seems
compatible with the c3 31. Any users out there who can vouch for the ridge
sets? id like to order the box joint set aswell and both sets seem well
made and cheaper than the felder/forrest alternatives. Thanks!

Thanks for all your replies!
Regarding the cost of the RC sets:
6" dado master is $204.95 bored to 30 mm with free shipping.
Online, the 6" 30 mm forrest dado king is listed at $324.75( also with
free shipping).
So clearly theres a big price difference. So much so that I can add on a
6" 30 mm box joint set from RC for a grand total of $342.95. Forrest
doesn't sell a 6" box joint set, AFAICT.
I'm just a hobby woodworker so I dont need a super charged setup and
therefore think the 6" set will meet my needs, but I agree that its nice to
have options when tooling a machine.
Just to clarify, when equipped with a 6" dado set, and therefore
within the capacity of the c3 saw, I shouldn't expect any mechanical
problems, only when I go above 6" is when I can get into trouble. Is that
the take home message?
Thanks again
Adam

--


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In felder-woodworking@..., John Kee <jmkserv@...> wrote:

Just want to make sure your aware that you need more than a 30mm bore, you
also need to location pinholes drilled in the blades. I see no mention of
that cost on the Ridge Carbide site but see it included in the cost of the
Forrest dado for Felder machines. Just want to make sure your comparing
apples to apples.

John Kee
JMK Services

On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 2:40 PM, avocado150150
<wildernesswalden@...>wrote:

**

Good point, John. I'll confirm with RC and post a follow up.
Adam

--- In felder-woodworking@..., "avocado150150"
<wildernesswalden@> wrote:

Hi everyone,
I've got a hammer c3 31 on order (comfort option and dado enabled) and

was planning on ordering a dado set for it. The consensus seems split
between the felder/hammer dado set and the forrest dado king. There is
scant mention of the ridge carbide 6"set milled to 30 mm which seems
compatible with the c3 31. Any users out there who can vouch for the ridge
sets? id like to order the box joint set aswell and both sets seem well
made and cheaper than the felder/forrest alternatives. Thanks!

Thanks for all your replies!
Regarding the cost of the RC sets:
6" dado master is $204.95 bored to 30 mm with free shipping.
Online, the 6" 30 mm forrest dado king is listed at $324.75( also with
free shipping).
So clearly theres a big price difference. So much so that I can add on a
6" 30 mm box joint set from RC for a grand total of $342.95. Forrest
doesn't sell a 6" box joint set, AFAICT.
I'm just a hobby woodworker so I dont need a super charged setup and
therefore think the 6" set will meet my needs, but I agree that its nice to
have options when tooling a machine.
Just to clarify, when equipped with a 6" dado set, and therefore
within the capacity of the c3 saw, I shouldn't expect any mechanical
problems, only when I go above 6" is when I can get into trouble. Is that
the take home message?
Thanks again
Adam

--

Heres the reply from the RC rep (great CS, btw)
"Sorry no the charges i gave you were for 30mm bores only.
We don't recommend pin holes in stack dado sets it would be very difficult to line the holes up to stagger all 8 pieces??
The box joint set would be fine add $10.00 for both pieces. "

Is this a deal breaker for the dado set (the box joint set should be fine)?
Adam

Adam you won't be able to mount the blades without the pin holes. I would do a little more research but I do know the Forrest blades are made to fit Felder.

John Kee
JMK Services


----- Reply message -----
From: "avocado150150" <wildernesswalden@...>
To: <felder-woodworking@...>
Subject: [felder-woodworking] Re: Ridge carbide dado on hammer c3 31
Date: Sun, Nov 18, 2012 5:18 pm
Heres the reply from the RC rep (great CS, btw)

"Sorry no the charges i gave you were for 30mm bores only.

We don't recommend pin holes in stack dado sets it would be very difficult to line the holes up to stagger all 8 pieces??

The box joint set would be fine add $10.00 for both pieces. "



Is this a deal breaker for the dado set (the box joint set should be fine)?

Adam



--- In felder-woodworking@..., "avocado150150" <wildernesswalden@...> wrote:

--- In felder-woodworking@..., John Kee <jmkserv@> wrote:

Just want to make sure your aware that you need more than a 30mm bore, you

also need to location pinholes drilled in the blades. I see no mention of

that cost on the Ridge Carbide site but see it included in the cost of the

Forrest dado for Felder machines. Just want to make sure your comparing

apples to apples.

John Kee

JMK Services

On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 2:40 PM, avocado150150

<wildernesswalden@>wrote:

**

Good point, John. I'll confirm with RC and post a follow up.

Adam

--- In felder-woodworking@..., "avocado150150"

<wildernesswalden@> wrote:

Hi everyone,

I've got a hammer c3 31 on order (comfort option and dado enabled) and

was planning on ordering a dado set for it. The consensus seems split

between the felder/hammer dado set and the forrest dado king. There is

scant mention of the ridge carbide 6"set milled to 30 mm which seems

compatible with the c3 31. Any users out there who can vouch for the ridge

sets? id like to order the box joint set aswell and both sets seem well

made and cheaper than the felder/forrest alternatives. Thanks!

Thanks for all your replies!

Regarding the cost of the RC sets:

6" dado master is $204.95 bored to 30 mm with free shipping.

Online, the 6" 30 mm forrest dado king is listed at $324.75( also with

free shipping).

So clearly theres a big price difference. So much so that I can add on a

6" 30 mm box joint set from RC for a grand total of $342.95. Forrest

doesn't sell a 6" box joint set, AFAICT.

I'm just a hobby woodworker so I dont need a super charged setup and

therefore think the 6" set will meet my needs, but I agree that its nice to

have options when tooling a machine.

Just to clarify, when equipped with a 6" dado set, and therefore

within the capacity of the c3 saw, I shouldn't expect any mechanical

problems, only when I go above 6" is when I can get into trouble. Is that

the take home message?

Thanks again

Adam

--

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'm happy with the Forrest 6" dado blade. On my KF500, which I think has pretty much the same guts as the Hammer, the arbor bushings that secure the blade / dados to the saw arbor come in only a few sizes. (One may be able to buy more from Felder, not sure). This means that when I stack the Forrest dado blades I usually need to put in shims on the outside of the dado stack just so the arbor bushings will secure the dado stack. Otherwise, the steel bushings do not make contact with the dado blades and will flop around. Shims are normally used to fine tune the width of the dado stack, not as a requirement to secure the dado stack.

I would probably feel uncomfortable not having those small pin holes in all the dado stack with shims since as soon as the saw break kicks in I suspect that those dado blades w/o pin holes may slip.

Now, I'm not a dado expert vis-a-vis the Felder machine so I may simply need a properly sized arbor bushing. Does anyone else have this issue of needing shims to secure the dado stack when using a Forrest or comparable dado stack?

Herbert Edwin Harris III
www.sittingduckfinefurniture.com

Several years ago I had Forrest rebore to 30 mm plus pin holes several blades to fit my Felder, including my Freud 8" stacked dado set. I drilled holes in some 30 mm shims I had and the set has worked fine for me, although I don't use it alot.

If you have a stacked set bored for pin holes it is important they don't line up. If they do, you won't be able to stagger the teeth.

Bruce

It's settled then, forrest it is! I'm going to order the RC box joint dado set as I can't seem to find a 6" forrest box joint set. Thanks, John for the advice you just saved me from some major headaches!
Adam

" It doesn't do a company much good if the engineers design the ultimate gizmo but nobody buys it because it's so expensive compared to the competition. You don't stay in business very long if you do that"

Seems to be working for Martin.


I got the Ridge Carbide 10" dado set for my SCMI SI12, and it had to be bored to 1 1/4", for the special dado arbor-flange that accommodates dado capability on that saw. I also have to use arbor bushings/shims (which I bought from McMaster-Carr; they have an ID of 1 1/4", an OD of 1 3/4", and a variety of thicknesses from 1/16" to 1/2") to be able to tighten different stacking combos on the arbor-flange, as described in another post.

Not that this helps at all with your issue on your incoming Hammer. But I have been very satisfied with the quality of the Ridge dado set and the cuts it performs.




________________________________
From: John Renzetti <jrenzetti1@...>
To: felder-woodworking@...
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 3:31 PM
Subject: RE: [felder-woodworking] Ridge carbide dado on hammer c3 31


?
Well, Cliff, Since the USA market is only about 7-8% of total worldwide
sales for Felder, the Engineer/designers were probably given the task of
getting a dado to work within the existing framework of the whole
trunnion/saw assembly design. For a small part of the worldwide market it
wouldn't make much economic sense to redesign the whole assembly. While I
agree that excessive cost controls have put the engineering aspect in second
place in a lot of corporate marketing decisions, in this case it was a
matter for coming up with a workable design that would work with the present
saw assembly being sold worldwide. I think the designers/engineers did a
good job considering the design and cost constraints. It doesn't do a
company much good if the engineers design the ultimate gizmo but nobody buys
it because it's so expensive compared to the competition. You don't stay in
business very long if you do that.

-----Original Message-----
From: felder-woodworking@...
[mailto:felder-woodworking@...] On Behalf Of Cliff Rohrabacher
Esq.
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 11:58 AM
To: felder-woodworking@...
Cc: John Renzetti
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Ridge carbide dado on hammer c3 31

For my money John, the limitations on dado size are a nasty surprise,
entirely the result of the dado on these machines being an afterthought
developed after the machines were designed for a Euro market where dado is
strictly a router slotting operation. It seemes that Felder marketing did
not do well its research into the US and Canadian
market. So they ended up with a machine with limitations and tradeoffs
when sold into that market. I'd bet that some group in management looked at
the accommodations needed to satisfy the US and Canadian dado preferences
and selected the cheapest possible adjustment in the engineering and
design.

I see it as awful engineering when a machine can be, not merely destroyed,
but become a very dangerous thing, based on the unknowing error of an
uninformed or untrained operator. And I think it goes without saying that
the vast majority of people operating saws are not
terribly well informed nor are they trained. I am frequently appalled
at the utter innocence and uninformed ignorance I see on the part of a great
many woodworking machine tool owners on various web sites. They plunk
their money down and purchase machinery which they have no
foundation upon which to operate safely. Fact is John, that a person
switching from a conventional saw to a Hammer or Felder has a learning
curve which nothing I saw in the literature that came with my saw prepared
me for. On a conventional saw you are limited to your dado by throat size
and engine power. If It it fits over the arbor an in the throat, you can
spin it up. On the Hammer, as it regards dado blade
sizes there is a surprise waiting for the unwary. Surprises of this
sort fall into my idea of piss poor engineering.

Granted, it hardly makes fiscal sense for companies to insist on some level
of training and certification prior to a sale, but if they are going to
sell them to just anybody, wouldn't you agree that it makes some sense to
engineer them accordingly?
I'm not a fan of safety gizmos nor silly rules like those about fingers not
coming within X inches of a blade etc.. In fact I eschew them almost
assiduously. However I am a big fan of good and contemplative
engineering. The dado on the Hammer requires that the blade be set back
beyond where the cutting blade safely rests. This places it in the path of
the saw's furniture. A few dollars more and a little
forethought on the part of the engineers would have eliminated this.
It seems to me that the whole dado capability on these machines is the
result of pure afterthought.

Yah I know, they were most probably engineered and designed for the Euro
market where dado is a router operation and they don't even use the word
dado preferring to call it a slotting operation. But then, they
do sell them in the states where the dado is the norm. It should not
have been an afterthought.

Or maybe your sentiment is more correct than I credit it? After all,
engineers are no longer the driving management forces in engineering
companies. I trained young engineers in the 1990s who reported to me that
their professors in college told them that their proper roles were
subordinate to marketing. This seemed to me to be an abomination.
Engineers in my world are truth tellers and marketing is - - well - -
anything but. So if the engineering desisions were subordinate to a handful
of penny pinching administrative bureaucrats who probably ascended from
marketing then it's not the engineer's fault. Or maybe it is.

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