Processing Rails & Stiles for Cabinet Doors: Space Balls compatibility with 3/8” groove
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I ordered 0.26” balls from panel buddies. I called them to confirm if they will be okay compressed to 1/8” (1/4” wide and 3/8” deep groove; 1/4” of the panel tongue to be in the groove) and they said it should be okay.
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I thought that these made clamping a bit harder than it needs to be.
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Is my use case considered normal?
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Panel buddies also offer rectangular pads. Has anyone used these?
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Imran Malik
IAM Wood Creations
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开云体育Thanks Steve. Will have to try next time. I am thinking that tooling with 1/2” groove will provide more flexibility because the panel tongue (inserted into the groove portion) can be anything beyond the minimum, in my mind, of 1/4”.Imran Malik IAM Wood Creations On Jan 3, 2025, at 8:27?AM, Steve Rowe via groups.io <steverowe734@...> wrote:
? I have used both space balls and panel buddies.? My preference is panel buddies as they are much more forgiving when clamping and don't roll all over the place when they fall on the floor.
Steve
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开云体育?Thanks Dave. I have heard about the use of tubing from quite a few. After this experience, as I mentioned in my earlier response and you commented that a deeper groove allows more choices. I was looking for an economical option for this project and this set worked but wanted to learn from it. As you stated 1/4”x3/8” seems to be very common and I was not sure if the reason behind it. Maybe just economics. Imran Malik IAM Wood Creations On Jan 3, 2025, at 2:37?PM, David Kumm via groups.io <davekumm@...> wrote:
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I just use 1/4" OD clear tubing from the hardware store.? I cut short pieces and size the tongue to compress the tubing just enough to center the panels.? The raised portion of the panel sides must have enough clearance so when the panel expands, the raised
part doesn't push against the frame.? I like a 5/8" deep groove and a 7/16 tongue and the panel sized so there is 1/32" for the panel to move on either side.? I use the same 1/4" OD in my passage doors with 1/2" thick grooves.? I've never had a panel move
1/16" so there is leeway to my numbers.
I don't know why 1/4x3/8 seems to be a standard when a longer tongue and groove adds strength and looks better.
Dave
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Thanks Steve. Will have to try next time. I am thinking that tooling with 1/2” groove will provide more flexibility because the panel tongue (inserted into the groove portion) can be anything beyond the minimum, in my mind, of 1/4”.
Imran Malik
IAM Wood Creations
On Jan 3, 2025, at 8:27?AM, Steve Rowe via groups.io <steverowe734@...> wrote: ?
I have used both space balls and panel buddies.? My preference is panel buddies as they are much more forgiving when clamping and don't roll all over the place when they fall on the floor.
Steve
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开云体育Hi Imran:
Do you think the standard 1/4 x 3/8 has to do with mass production using 3/4 material? At 1/4 wide, that leaves only 1/4 of material on either side of the groove, assuming the groove is centred. If the groove is deepened beyond 3/8, the material
“shoulder” becomes more and more fragile.?
I like working with thicker material and deeper grooves and tongues. Consequently I had Greg at Rangate make me a cabinet shaker set that works with material from 19-30mm (approx) and has a 15mm deep groove/tongue.?
Alternatively, in cases where a squared look is wanted/acceptable, I like using 25-30mm material and using an adjustable groover to go much deeper, say 25-30mm deep. Cheers.?
Warm regards,
Lucky
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When I have crafted doors and full raised panels for entry doors, any deeper wider dadoes with floating panels I have bought sheets of thick rubber to address the issue and works fine. I like the idea of balls not rolling away, I’ll have
to try that type. Cheers
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开云体育Hi Lucky,I believe you are correct that with 3/4” thickness, deeper than 3/8” could potentially have issues. I was asked to duplicate a sample and in this case the rear lip of the groove is only 1/8” thick. However, since most of us can choose the stile/rail thickness, carrying out custom work, I would prefer deeper groove. You and David K have provided some ideas that I can work with in future. Thank you. Imran Malik IAM Wood Creations On Jan 3, 2025, at 8:09?PM, David Luckensmeyer via groups.io <david@...> wrote:
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Hi Imran:
Do you think the standard 1/4 x 3/8 has to do with mass production using 3/4 material? At 1/4 wide, that leaves only 1/4 of material on either side of the groove, assuming the groove is centred. If the groove is deepened beyond 3/8, the material
“shoulder” becomes more and more fragile.?
I like working with thicker material and deeper grooves and tongues. Consequently I had Greg at Rangate make me a cabinet shaker set that works with material from 19-30mm (approx) and has a 15mm deep groove/tongue.?
Alternatively, in cases where a squared look is wanted/acceptable, I like using 25-30mm material and using an adjustable groover to go much deeper, say 25-30mm deep. Cheers.?
Warm regards,
Lucky
Dr David Luckensmeyer?
Designer & Maker
@luckensmeyer
M: 0413 013 115
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Philip Snyder via groups.io <pswoodworking@...>
Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2025 8:17:38 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FOG] Processing Rails & Stiles for Cabinet Doors: Space Balls compatibility with 3/8” groove ?
When I have crafted doors and full raised panels for entry doors, any deeper wider dadoes with floating panels I have bought sheets of thick rubber to address the issue and works fine. I like the idea of balls not rolling away, I’ll have
to try that type. Cheers
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Whitehill's cabinet door cutter head set has a 15mm deep groove/tongue,?looks nice. James On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 10:10?PM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
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开云体育That is super nice James. Attention to detail like chamfering the groove and slight nibs on the tongue are very nice. Not to mention the variable groove/tongue width. Bit more expensive than the Freeborn tooling I was looking at around $800-$900 which did not have the adjustable groove/tongue. Imran Malik IAM Wood Creations On Jan 3, 2025, at 10:45?PM, James Zhu via groups.io <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
? Whitehill's cabinet door cutter head set has a 15mm deep groove/tongue,?looks nice. <cutter.jpg> James On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 10:10?PM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
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imran
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