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I am setting up my shaper and I faced couple of issues with the process.
1) When I picked up the machine from the warehouse and when I stopped to charge my truck I found a thumb screw in the machine wrapping plastic.
After looking at the schematic of the machine, it looks like the thumb screw is item #33
What is this part and what it used for? I asked two FOG members for pictures of their machines, and one of them has the thumb screw connected and one doesn't.
I am not sure if this part is supposed to be there or not.
2)I am not sure I understand how the swing away mechanism supposed to work, but from my understanding, I am suppose to loosen the 2 kipp lever on the swing away and lift the power feeder base 4-5mm in the air so it will clear the small steel plate that supposed to help with alignment.
I was able to do that when there was just a first part of the base, but when I tired it after I finish the installation of the DC400, the swing away stay connected. What am I missing here?
Or it is simply the DC400 that weights 65KG and has a lever effect that makes it harder to pull?
Do you ever swig the PF away at all?
3)I installed the power feeder (DC400) but the wheels of the power feeder (and the feeder itself are at a slight angle). When I lowered it to the cast iron surface, one wheel touches the cast iron while the rest are 1-2mm higher. How can I adjust that?
4)Somehow I got a machine with power feeder outlet (euro 3PH plug), I didn't order this config, but I am glad it got it. This outlet should only be active once the motor is running.
Did someone try to rewire this outlet so it will work when the shaper is off but the e-stop will kill it?
My machine with the "missing?" thumb screw
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On Dec 8, 2024, at 11:41?PM, netanel.belgazal via groups.io <netanel.belgazal@...> wrote:
I am setting up my shaper and I faced couple of issues with the process.
1) When I picked up the machine from the warehouse and when I stopped to charge my truck I found a thumb screw in the machine wrapping plastic.
After looking at the schematic of the machine, it looks like the thumb screw is item #33
What is this part and what it used for? I asked two FOG members for pictures of their machines, and one of them has the thumb screw connected and one doesn't.
I am not sure if this part is supposed to be there or not.
Show a photo of the ¡°thumb screw¡± you found in the wrapping please. 2)I am not sure I understand how the swing away mechanism supposed to work, but from my understanding, I am suppose to loosen the 2 kipp lever on the swing away and lift the power feeder base 4-5mm in the air so it will clear the small steel plate that supposed to help with alignment.
I was able to do that when there was just a first part of the base, but when I tired it after I finish the installation of the DC400, the swing away stay connected. What am I missing here?
Or it is simply the DC400 that weights 65KG and has a lever effect that makes it harder to pull?
Do you ever swig the PF away at all?
Yes, I swing away the feeder often. ?You can adjust the mounting for the articulated arm where it attaches to the machine chassis to offset the weight, but a small amount (2-4mm) of upward lifting on your part is normal. ?You may also want to add a spacer to the mount at the cast iron table so that the hood will raise/lower without the fence plates hitting the feeder stand. ?
3)I installed the power feeder (DC400) but the wheels of the power feeder (and the feeder itself are at a slight angle). When I lowered it to the cast iron surface, one
wheel touches the cast iron while the rest are 1-2mm higher. How can I adjust that?
By using a combination of these two adjustment points you should be able to align the tires of the feeder wheels to be coplanar to the cast iron top of your shaper. ?Lower the PF tires onto the cast iron top, loosen the levers, push down on the feeder so that all wheels are in contact and level with the top of the machine, then lock the levers.
4)Somehow I got a machine with power feeder outlet (euro 3PH plug), I didn't order this config, but I am glad it got it. This outlet should only be active once the motor is running.
Did someone try to rewire this outlet so it will work when the shaper is off but the e-stop will kill it?
I suggest you call Felder about this. ?They can instruct you on wiring within the electrical panel to achieve your goals. ?There are pros and cons of having the feeder power switched by either the spindle motor being on, or killing it with the E-stop. ?Think through what you want based on your own workflow. ?I prefer to have the power feeder under manual control and completely unrelated to the power at the spindle motor or E-Stop.
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This is the thumb screw
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2)Just to make sure we are talking about the same thing, I am not referring to the picture you attached where you move the PF, but to move the base that is attached to the shaper.
I tired to change the part that is attached to the machine chassis without any success, but base is stuck. When do you place the PF when you try to swing it away?
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3)I actually create a spacer from aluminum block like you did only to found out that Felder changed the design and now they use 3 holes an not one. now I need to order a new block from Mc-master :\
4)I'll contact Felder after I'll get some mileage
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For the complainer, I don¡¯t see the 2nd lever you refer to.
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i only have 3 lever there, one that control the tilt, but it has a fix indexing ping that prevent it from doing small increments.
the 2nd control the elevation and the third just lock the elevation.
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On Dec 9, 2024, at 12:49?AM, netanel.belgazal via groups.io <netanel.belgazal@...> wrote:
This is the thumb screw
That ¡°thumbscrew¡± looks to me like the element you called out in the parts diagram. That device secures the tension end-stop lock for the belt when the motor is articulated fully back and the belt engaged for driving the spindle. On some spindles (router spindle in particular) you must re-tension the end-stop belt locking position, and this arrangement gives you the ability to do that without the need for an idler. DM me if you are confused about how to set the end-stop belt tension position. 2)Just to make sure we are talking about the same thing, I am not referring to the picture you attached where you move the PF, but to move the base that is attached to the shaper.
I tired to change the part that is attached to the machine chassis without any success, but base is stuck. When do you place the PF when you try to swing it away? I don¡¯t quite understand your question, but when I swing away the feeder, it¡¯s usually to get fuller access to the entire top of the machine for feeding material. With the ¡°memo¡± feature of the smart stand, the need to swing-away the entire feeder stand is reduced, but is still necessary sometimes when template profiling a large panel or oddly-shaped piece, or doing a pattern trim in the middle of a panel. This swing-away mount was initially provided for feeder stands that do not have the memo capability provided by the smart stand. 3)I actually create a spacer from aluminum block like you did only to found out that Felder changed the design and now they use 3 holes an not one. now I need to order a new block from Mc-master I guess Felder left it to the user community to debug the lack of rigidity at that mounting plate. It only took them 20 years to fix that inferior mounting bolt arrangement. That¡¯s a better response time than other issues I could cite. 4)I'll contact Felder after I'll get some mileage Good idea - you will need to open the electrical enclosure. David Best DBestWorkshop@...
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By the way, they also changed a bit the T nut that secured the short cross cut fence.
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With these two adjustment points you should be able to get the feeder tires perfectly aligned to be coplanar to the cast iron top:
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On Dec 9, 2024, at 1:27?AM, netanel.belgazal via groups.io <netanel.belgazal@...> wrote:
For the complainer, I don¡¯t see the 2nd lever you refer to.
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i only have 3 lever there, one that control the tilt, but it has a fix indexing ping that prevent it from doing small increments.
the 2nd control the elevation and the third just lock the elevation.
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Say more - I don¡¯t understand. ?I was wondering today if you¡¯d gotten a quote for the T-nut and how you were moving forward on this.
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On Dec 9, 2024, at 1:39?AM, netanel.belgazal via groups.io <netanel.belgazal@...> wrote:
By the way, they also changed a bit the T nut that secured the short cross cut fence.
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I am meeting tomorrow with the metal shop guy to discuss the final details.
The new T-nut is still faulty and doesn¡¯t register properly. Here is a comparison between the two.
ill give more detials Tomorrow
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thanks for the help.
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Neither one of those t-nuts will meet the requirements. ?You need two set-screws to anchor the T-nut in the slider, and counterbores at each end so you can reverse the T-nut for leveling with grub screws in the shoulders on one side of the T-nut.
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On Dec 9, 2024, at 1:54?AM, netanel.belgazal via groups.io <netanel.belgazal@...> wrote:
I am meeting tomorrow with the metal shop guy to discuss the final details.
The new T-nut is still faulty and doesn¡¯t register properly. Here is a comparison between the two.
ill give more detials Tomorrow
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thanks for the help.
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Nate,
Repeating what David said a little differently. Loosen the lock for swinging the PF between horizontal and vertical and lift up on black knob up front (pink arrow) and lock it in the desired position. I think 1-2 mm can be removed just by doing this.
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On Dec 9, 2024, at 4:43?AM, David P. Best via groups.io <dbestworkshop@...> wrote: ? With these two adjustment points you should be able to get the feeder tires perfectly aligned to be coplanar to the cast iron top:
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On Dec 9, 2024, at 1:27?AM, netanel.belgazal via groups.io <netanel.belgazal@...> wrote:
For the complainer, I don¡¯t see the 2nd lever you refer to.
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i only have 3 lever there, one that control the tilt, but it has a fix indexing ping that prevent it from doing small increments.
the 2nd control the elevation and the third just lock the elevation.
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Netanel, I wired my power feed outlet on my go Gomad so it has its own push button to start on my panel so I can test it without the shaper running and when its feeding with the shaper of running and I have to kill the switch to stop it running with the shaper running it cuts out when I start the shaper back up. The power feed doesn¡¯t start until I activate As for that power feeder, don¡¯t have once I can¡¯t tell you, but I can¡¯t tell you that the roller should be precisely set parallel to the table xyz. The only time you don¡¯t want them running parallel with the table is if you¡¯re using one of the rollers to feed radius work. Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years
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On Dec 9, 2024, at 2:49?AM, netanel.belgazal via groups.io <netanel.belgazal@...> wrote:
? This is the thumb screw
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2)Just to make sure we are talking about the same thing, I am not referring to the picture you attached where you move the PF, but to move the base that is attached to the shaper.
I tired to change the part that is attached to the machine chassis without any success, but base is stuck. When do you place the PF when you try to swing it away?
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3)I actually create a spacer from aluminum block like you did only to found out that Felder changed the design and now they use 3 holes an not one. now I need to order a new block from Mc-master :\
4)I'll contact Felder after I'll get some mileage
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Natanel,
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I know I sent you my photos but that "Knob and shaft" are definitely attached to the motor mount to lock the tension.
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PK
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Weird, I don't have that knob/shaft attached to mine. I'll have to look at my loose parts that came with my machine to see if it's laying around.
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Larry Long Neck
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Thanks everyone.
PK,
I attached the knob like you have on your machine, what is wired is why two of us have this part, but Larry doesn't.
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I got a permission from Felder to open to electrical box to identify the high leg (L2).
When I first run the machine it spins backward and the motor only run once. I had to turn the machine off and on in order to have the ability to run the motor.
Everything else was working, not sure if that is related to the fact that one of the legs to the DC circuit was the manufactured leg of the PP. Anyway I moved the manufactured leg to only power the motor and swapped L1 and L3, now to motor can spin without issues.
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I got the power feeder coplanar to the cast iron.
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When I spoke with Felder, the technician asked if I installed the supporting piston on the swing away. What exactly is that?
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PK:
? ?Thank you for clarifying that. I found that part rolling around on the floor of the pallet when I received my F900z.
No one seemed to know what it was for, so it's been in a drawer for the last 3 years.
Clearly, it pays to linger here, even if you don't have much to contribute. I absorb more than I give, and am grateful you guys chat regularly. Learned a lot last week, and this is off to another good start!?
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Conclusion: That part appears to be unnecessary, given the amount of years it sat unused.?
LOL.?
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Jeff
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Netanel,
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I almost spit out my drink at your last sentence.? Does he think you have a combo machine?
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So the power feed mount has no piston to support it on a profil 45z x-motion.? On the KF700 with a powerfeeder (Saw/Shaper combo) there is a swing away mount with a support piston.
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Was the tech confused?? Not listening?
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There is an assist strut on the fence to help it tilt up and away, but that has nothing to do with the powerfeeder.? And, it comes assembled to the machine.
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PK
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PK, I have no idea what he thinks.
I told him I am talking about the swing away on the Profil. He told me he will send me some pictures in the morning but he didn¡¯t.
How did you install the swing away?
I think I installed the part that connects to the machine chassis too low.
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One more question.
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with the tenoning plate I got the following hardware. From what I see it isn¡¯t needed.?
Am I right?
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I could be wrong, but I believe those parts are related to the tenoning hood assembly. ?Actually, they look like they are for the?. ?But they could also be parts for the?. ?Lucky you - free parts! ?
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On Dec 9, 2024, at 10:25?PM, netanel.belgazal via groups.io <netanel.belgazal@...> wrote:
One more question.
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with the tenoning plate I got the following hardware. From what I see it isn¡¯t needed.?
Am I right?
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Larry Long Neck
