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Subject is well documented but my first experience. I did not even know there was a spiral hose between the plastic basket and the external port. One would never know that it is compromised. Totally found by accident as I was looking for webs under casting to install bowmouldmaster.
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Yeah man! I had one of those in my Hammer C3-31. A real pain in the ass to do. Chris Rozycki?
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On Oct 27, 2024, at 1:48?PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Subject is well documented but my first experience. I did not even know there was a spiral hose between the plastic basket and the external port. One would never know that it is compromised. Totally found by accident as I was looking for webs under casting to install bowmouldmaster.
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Just a word of warning. I had a long length of Felder hose on my CF731. After it failed I bought a similar spec locally but it was too inflexible. So I ordered a replacement from Felder and it turned out also to be very inflexible? despite the website claiming otherwise. I have still to source a suitable supplier
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Paul Mc Cann
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Hey Paul,?
I recently purchased 4" dust hose from woodcraft that was surprisingly flexible. You may check their offerings to see what's available.?
Jarrett
Just a word of warning. I had a long length of Felder hose on my CF731. After it failed I bought a similar spec locally but it was too inflexible. So I ordered a replacement from Felder and it turned out also to be very inflexible? despite the website claiming otherwise. I have still to source a suitable supplier
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Paul Mc Cann
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I have been using 120mm hose from WholesaleHoses.com in my DIY/hobby use for about 5 years.
They have stood up pretty well.?? - Rich M.
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https://www.wholesalehoses.com/flx-thane-ld-sd-hose/
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I purchased a 5” spiral hose from woodcraft which was the least flexible but super heavy duty.
This is what I use on the saw and since the blade swings to 45, it is very helpful that it is flexible and collapsible. At least if it doesn’t fit the bill it can be returned easily.
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On Oct 28, 2024, at 9:37?AM, Jarrett Maxwell via groups.io <j.a.max7@...> wrote:
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Hey Paul,?
I recently purchased 4" dust hose from woodcraft that was surprisingly flexible. You may check their offerings to see what's available.?
Jarrett
Just a word of warning. I had a long length of Felder hose on my CF731. After it failed I bought a similar spec locally but it was too inflexible. So I ordered a replacement from Felder and it turned out also to be very inflexible? despite the website claiming otherwise. I have still to source a suitable supplier
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Paul Mc Cann
How hard would it be to design and make a rectangular-to-round, metal, flexible adapter for the Felder/ Hammer saws that would simplify the transition and replacement? And why don’t these really expensive saws come already equipped with that connector?? Seems like a really flawed design by Felder. Am I missing something?? Chris Rozycki? Hammer C3-31 owner Croz1950@...
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On Oct 28, 2024, at 9:57?AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? I purchased a 5” spiral hose from woodcraft which was the least flexible but super heavy duty.
This is what I use on the saw and since the blade swings to 45, it is very helpful that it is flexible and collapsible. At least if it doesn’t fit the bill it can be returned easily.
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On Oct 28, 2024, at 9:37?AM, Jarrett Maxwell via groups.io <j.a.max7@...> wrote:
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Hey Paul,?
I recently purchased 4" dust hose from woodcraft that was surprisingly flexible. You may check their offerings to see what's available.?
Jarrett
Just a word of warning. I had a long length of Felder hose on my CF731. After it failed I bought a similar spec locally but it was too inflexible. So I ordered a replacement from Felder and it turned out also to be very inflexible? despite the website claiming otherwise. I have still to source a suitable supplier
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Paul Mc Cann
Both of my saws, KF700 and K975, come with transitions. A round hose fits round ports on each end.
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On Oct 28, 2024, at 11:24?AM, Christopher Rozycki via groups.io <croz1950@...> wrote: ? How hard would it be to design and make a rectangular-to-round, metal, flexible adapter for the Felder/ Hammer saws that would simplify the transition and replacement? And why don’t these really expensive saws come already equipped with that connector?? Seems like a really flawed design by Felder. Am I missing something?? Chris Rozycki? Hammer C3-31 owner Croz1950@... On Oct 28, 2024, at 9:57?AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? I purchased a 5” spiral hose from woodcraft which was the least flexible but super heavy duty.
This is what I use on the saw and since the blade swings to 45, it is very helpful that it is flexible and collapsible. At least if it doesn’t fit the bill it can be returned easily.
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On Oct 28, 2024, at 9:37?AM, Jarrett Maxwell via groups.io <j.a.max7@...> wrote:
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Hey Paul,?
I recently purchased 4" dust hose from woodcraft that was surprisingly flexible. You may check their offerings to see what's available.?
Jarrett
Just a word of warning. I had a long length of Felder hose on my CF731. After it failed I bought a similar spec locally but it was too inflexible. So I ordered a replacement from Felder and it turned out also to be very inflexible? despite the website claiming otherwise. I have still to source a suitable supplier
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Paul Mc Cann
Paul on the side of the pond are use air handling contact is Kae?
Designing and building for 50 years
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On Oct 28, 2024, at 10:24?AM, Christopher Rozycki via groups.io <croz1950@...> wrote:
? How hard would it be to design and make a rectangular-to-round, metal, flexible adapter for the Felder/ Hammer saws that would simplify the transition and replacement? And why don’t these really expensive saws come already equipped with that connector?? Seems like a really flawed design by Felder. Am I missing something?? Chris Rozycki? Hammer C3-31 owner Croz1950@... On Oct 28, 2024, at 9:57?AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? I purchased a 5” spiral hose from woodcraft which was the least flexible but super heavy duty.
This is what I use on the saw and since the blade swings to 45, it is very helpful that it is flexible and collapsible. At least if it doesn’t fit the bill it can be returned easily.
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On Oct 28, 2024, at 9:37?AM, Jarrett Maxwell via groups.io <j.a.max7@...> wrote:
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Hey Paul,?
I recently purchased 4" dust hose from woodcraft that was surprisingly flexible. You may check their offerings to see what's available.?
Jarrett
Just a word of warning. I had a long length of Felder hose on my CF731. After it failed I bought a similar spec locally but it was too inflexible. So I ordered a replacement from Felder and it turned out also to be very inflexible? despite the website claiming otherwise. I have still to source a suitable supplier
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Paul Mc Cann
Bill Belanger of fog may be able to help! Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years
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On Oct 28, 2024, at 10:49?AM, mac campshure <mac512002@...> wrote:
? Paul on the side of the pond are use air handling contact is Kae?
Designing and building for 50 years On Oct 28, 2024, at 10:24?AM, Christopher Rozycki via groups.io <croz1950@...> wrote:
? How hard would it be to design and make a rectangular-to-round, metal, flexible adapter for the Felder/ Hammer saws that would simplify the transition and replacement? And why don’t these really expensive saws come already equipped with that connector?? Seems like a really flawed design by Felder. Am I missing something?? Chris Rozycki? Hammer C3-31 owner Croz1950@... On Oct 28, 2024, at 9:57?AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? I purchased a 5” spiral hose from woodcraft which was the least flexible but super heavy duty.
This is what I use on the saw and since the blade swings to 45, it is very helpful that it is flexible and collapsible. At least if it doesn’t fit the bill it can be returned easily.
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On Oct 28, 2024, at 9:37?AM, Jarrett Maxwell via groups.io <j.a.max7@...> wrote:
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Hey Paul,?
I recently purchased 4" dust hose from woodcraft that was surprisingly flexible. You may check their offerings to see what's available.?
Jarrett
Just a word of warning. I had a long length of Felder hose on my CF731. After it failed I bought a similar spec locally but it was too inflexible. So I ordered a replacement from Felder and it turned out also to be very inflexible? despite the website claiming otherwise. I have still to source a suitable supplier
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Paul Mc Cann
Thanks Imran! I guess that’s what I get for buying a $15,000 hobby horse instead of a real horse ?! My bad! Chris Rozycki?
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On Oct 28, 2024, at 11:50?AM, mac campshure via groups.io <mac512002@...> wrote:
? Bill Belanger of fog may be able to help! Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years On Oct 28, 2024, at 10:49?AM, mac campshure <mac512002@...> wrote:
? Paul on the side of the pond are use air handling contact is Kae?
Designing and building for 50 years On Oct 28, 2024, at 10:24?AM, Christopher Rozycki via groups.io <croz1950@...> wrote:
? How hard would it be to design and make a rectangular-to-round, metal, flexible adapter for the Felder/ Hammer saws that would simplify the transition and replacement? And why don’t these really expensive saws come already equipped with that connector?? Seems like a really flawed design by Felder. Am I missing something?? Chris Rozycki? Hammer C3-31 owner Croz1950@... On Oct 28, 2024, at 9:57?AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? I purchased a 5” spiral hose from woodcraft which was the least flexible but super heavy duty.
This is what I use on the saw and since the blade swings to 45, it is very helpful that it is flexible and collapsible. At least if it doesn’t fit the bill it can be returned easily.
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On Oct 28, 2024, at 9:37?AM, Jarrett Maxwell via groups.io <j.a.max7@...> wrote:
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Hey Paul,?
I recently purchased 4" dust hose from woodcraft that was surprisingly flexible. You may check their offerings to see what's available.?
Jarrett
Just a word of warning. I had a long length of Felder hose on my CF731. After it failed I bought a similar spec locally but it was too inflexible. So I ordered a replacement from Felder and it turned out also to be very inflexible? despite the website claiming otherwise. I have still to source a suitable supplier
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Paul Mc Cann
Chris, I am sure you can make just as good a product as Felder on your Hammer. Just have to deal with some minor annoyances ?
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On Oct 28, 2024, at 2:28?PM, Christopher Rozycki via groups.io <croz1950@...> wrote: ? Thanks Imran! I guess that’s what I get for buying a $15,000 hobby horse instead of a real horse ?! My bad! Chris Rozycki? On Oct 28, 2024, at 11:50?AM, mac campshure via groups.io <mac512002@...> wrote:
? Bill Belanger of fog may be able to help! Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years On Oct 28, 2024, at 10:49?AM, mac campshure <mac512002@...> wrote:
? Paul on the side of the pond are use air handling contact is Kae?
Designing and building for 50 years On Oct 28, 2024, at 10:24?AM, Christopher Rozycki via groups.io <croz1950@...> wrote:
? How hard would it be to design and make a rectangular-to-round, metal, flexible adapter for the Felder/ Hammer saws that would simplify the transition and replacement? And why don’t these really expensive saws come already equipped with that connector?? Seems like a really flawed design by Felder. Am I missing something?? Chris Rozycki? Hammer C3-31 owner Croz1950@... On Oct 28, 2024, at 9:57?AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? I purchased a 5” spiral hose from woodcraft which was the least flexible but super heavy duty.
This is what I use on the saw and since the blade swings to 45, it is very helpful that it is flexible and collapsible. At least if it doesn’t fit the bill it can be returned easily.
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On Oct 28, 2024, at 9:37?AM, Jarrett Maxwell via groups.io <j.a.max7@...> wrote:
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Hey Paul,?
I recently purchased 4" dust hose from woodcraft that was surprisingly flexible. You may check their offerings to see what's available.?
Jarrett
Just a word of warning. I had a long length of Felder hose on my CF731. After it failed I bought a similar spec locally but it was too inflexible. So I ordered a replacement from Felder and it turned out also to be very inflexible? despite the website claiming otherwise. I have still to source a suitable supplier
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Paul Mc Cann
Major or minor? All in the eyes of the beholder. It was a major pain in the ass to fix, especially with no guidance or assistance from the manufacturer. Just sayin’ Chris Rozycki?
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On Oct 28, 2024, at 2:33?PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Chris, I am sure you can make just as good a product as Felder on your Hammer. Just have to deal with some minor annoyances ?
On Oct 28, 2024, at 2:28?PM, Christopher Rozycki via groups.io <croz1950@...> wrote:
? Thanks Imran! I guess that’s what I get for buying a $15,000 hobby horse instead of a real horse ?! My bad! Chris Rozycki? On Oct 28, 2024, at 11:50?AM, mac campshure via groups.io <mac512002@...> wrote:
? Bill Belanger of fog may be able to help! Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years On Oct 28, 2024, at 10:49?AM, mac campshure <mac512002@...> wrote:
? Paul on the side of the pond are use air handling contact is Kae?
Designing and building for 50 years On Oct 28, 2024, at 10:24?AM, Christopher Rozycki via groups.io <croz1950@...> wrote:
? How hard would it be to design and make a rectangular-to-round, metal, flexible adapter for the Felder/ Hammer saws that would simplify the transition and replacement? And why don’t these really expensive saws come already equipped with that connector?? Seems like a really flawed design by Felder. Am I missing something?? Chris Rozycki? Hammer C3-31 owner Croz1950@... On Oct 28, 2024, at 9:57?AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? I purchased a 5” spiral hose from woodcraft which was the least flexible but super heavy duty.
This is what I use on the saw and since the blade swings to 45, it is very helpful that it is flexible and collapsible. At least if it doesn’t fit the bill it can be returned easily.
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On Oct 28, 2024, at 9:37?AM, Jarrett Maxwell via groups.io <j.a.max7@...> wrote:
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Hey Paul,?
I recently purchased 4" dust hose from woodcraft that was surprisingly flexible. You may check their offerings to see what's available.?
Jarrett
Just a word of warning. I had a long length of Felder hose on my CF731. After it failed I bought a similar spec locally but it was too inflexible. So I ordered a replacement from Felder and it turned out also to be very inflexible? despite the website claiming otherwise. I have still to source a suitable supplier
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Paul Mc Cann
?What a pain to install the short hose for under the spindle dust collection on KF700. I did spend some time to find 80 mm hose but did not find much other than Felder and McMaster Carr. I went with McMaster Carr which is less flexible than the typical spiral hose.
Blo-R-Vac Flexible Duct Hose for Dust, Black TPR Rubber, 80mm ID, 86mm OD
https://www.mcmaster.com/53335K64
I will make a long story short. After trying multiple times unsuccessfully, including removing the under spindle collection basket and attaching the hose to it first, I decided to remove the dust port on the chassis and while it took some time to do so, the hose install went without a hitch. Here is the hose installed between the collection basket and the external port.
I think a flexible spiral hose would have been much simpler. Actual distance the hose needs to span is 3” and then another 2” (1” for each port) to slide onto the ports.
The biggest obstacle in removing the external dust collection port is the access to the top 2 of the 4 mounting screws. This is under the plastic cover on my machine. This required me to remove the cover. I had to remove 2 studs at the bottom of the tilt bracket to be able to slide the cove out. Would be a lot easier on machine without a tilt bracket. Mine is a 2002 KF700. Here is a pic as newer machines are likely different.
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On Oct 28, 2024, at 2:44?PM, Christopher Rozycki via groups.io <croz1950@...> wrote: ? Major or minor? All in the eyes of the beholder. It was a major pain in the ass to fix, especially with no guidance or assistance from the manufacturer. Just sayin’ Chris Rozycki? On Oct 28, 2024, at 2:33?PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Chris, I am sure you can make just as good a product as Felder on your Hammer. Just have to deal with some minor annoyances ?
On Oct 28, 2024, at 2:28?PM, Christopher Rozycki via groups.io <croz1950@...> wrote:
? Thanks Imran! I guess that’s what I get for buying a $15,000 hobby horse instead of a real horse ?! My bad! Chris Rozycki? On Oct 28, 2024, at 11:50?AM, mac campshure via groups.io <mac512002@...> wrote:
? Bill Belanger of fog may be able to help! Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years On Oct 28, 2024, at 10:49?AM, mac campshure <mac512002@...> wrote:
? Paul on the side of the pond are use air handling contact is Kae?
Designing and building for 50 years On Oct 28, 2024, at 10:24?AM, Christopher Rozycki via groups.io <croz1950@...> wrote:
? How hard would it be to design and make a rectangular-to-round, metal, flexible adapter for the Felder/ Hammer saws that would simplify the transition and replacement? And why don’t these really expensive saws come already equipped with that connector?? Seems like a really flawed design by Felder. Am I missing something?? Chris Rozycki? Hammer C3-31 owner Croz1950@... On Oct 28, 2024, at 9:57?AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? I purchased a 5” spiral hose from woodcraft which was the least flexible but super heavy duty.
This is what I use on the saw and since the blade swings to 45, it is very helpful that it is flexible and collapsible. At least if it doesn’t fit the bill it can be returned easily.
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On Oct 28, 2024, at 9:37?AM, Jarrett Maxwell via groups.io <j.a.max7@...> wrote:
?
Hey Paul,?
I recently purchased 4" dust hose from woodcraft that was surprisingly flexible. You may check their offerings to see what's available.?
Jarrett
Just a word of warning. I had a long length of Felder hose on my CF731. After it failed I bought a similar spec locally but it was too inflexible. So I ordered a replacement from Felder and it turned out also to be very inflexible? despite the website claiming otherwise. I have still to source a suitable supplier
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Paul Mc Cann
imran