/g/felderownersgroup This is the new home of the Felder Owners Group, previously on Yahoo. We are an independent group from Felder and as such, open discussion is invited. Please use common sense and civility in posting in this group. Personal attacks, Politics, Spam, and any sort of troublesome activity are not allowed and will get you expelled from the group after a warning. Please note that for new members, you are automatically placed on Moderated Status, where one of the moderators will have to allow your posting. Depending upon time zones and such, this may take a while, so please be patient. If you need to contact Felder USA, here is the official way to do it: E-shop: www.us.feldershop.com Sales: [email protected] Technical Support: [email protected] Orders: [email protected] General Questions: [email protected] Mon, 07 Feb 2000 17:52:00 -0800 /g/felderownersgroup/message/140876 <div>Getting stuck is not good! I bought a bandsaw that shipped upright. It was delivered via liftgate. I thought I could out it in my garage while I figured out how to get it to my shop. <br/><br/></div> <div>Unfortunately the crate was an inch too tall to get into my garage! I had to hustle to get friends to help me get it in rated and moved before it rained that day. </div> <div>--</div> <div>John Hinman<br/>Boise ID<br/>Kappa 450X and A941</div> jhinman1911@... (John Hinman) Thu, 10 Apr 2025 14:16:25 -0700 /g/felderownersgroup/message/140875 <div>When my profil 45z was being delivered, I was terrified of trusting a regular fork lift on my driveway that has a decent slope on 2 different planes.</div> <div> </div> <div>I ended up renting a telehandler and it worked out really well. They excell at moving heavy stuff over rough terrain, so a sloped driveway is no problem. It also allowed me to park near the bottom of my driveway, tilted, and extend the boom arm and get the forks at the correct angle to go under the pallet without any issues.</div> <div> </div> <div>That being said, I&#39;m not sure if I want to make another big truck driver deal with navigating narrow suburban streets again, so I&#39;ll probably hire a rigging company next time.</div> <div> </div> <div><img src="/g/felderownersgroup/attachment/140875/0" loading="lazy" class="myimg-responsive"/></div> <div>--</div> <div> </div> <h5><span style="font-family: arial black"><strong>Larry Long Neck</strong></span></h5> <div><span style="font-family: verdana"><span style="font-size: 14px">Just a noob trying to learn the ways of wood</span><br/><br/><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong>&gt; Making youtube videos now!<br/></strong>    - <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@longneckwoodworking" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.youtube.com/@longneckwoodworking</a></span><br/></span></div> longneckwood@... (Larry Long Neck) Thu, 10 Apr 2025 14:04:51 -0700 /g/felderownersgroup/message/140874 <div>Aaron and Stan,</div> <div> </div> <div>My new saw is being delivered (fingers crossed) on Monday next week.  I have had machines delivered in every possible way but a rigging company:</div> <ul> <li>Tilt deck trailer - single axle (preferred method) - Kappa 400 x-motion (400 miles), 37&#34; Casadei Wide Belt sander and my L&#39;invincible FS 7 J/P - all 2000 pounds plus and I have a sloped driveway too.</li> <li>U-haul 6x12 open trailer with a ramp - SCM s640p band saw (500 miles Tracy to Corona)- standing straight up, 18&#34; Delta Radial arm saw.</li> <li>U-haul 6x12 open trailer with fold down gate - Profil 45z x-motion (500 miles Sacramento to Corona), Northgate Dovetail machine, Castle Face frame table.</li> <li>Lift gate service <ul> <li>Felder arranged for AD-941</li> <li>All ways trucking arranged for Kundig Uniq</li> </ul> </li> <li>Pick up truck bed galore.</li> </ul> <div>For the saw I decided instead to use a roll back tow truck.  I have had a few vehicles towed from my home and they can shoot out the bed from the truck horizontally and based on my driveway and how it rises, I think it will make for almost a level unload.  I will use my pallet jack and rent another to get it from both ends to roll it off.  I am rounding up some help to have two more people there to help.  After sending pictures of my driveway/cul-de-sac, the machine company agreed this would be better.  Weight is not an issue, and it is a 50 mile ride from the warehouse to my house/shop.  There is the slider pallet and another pallet too, but the space on a roll back makes it easy to fit.  They charge $150 an hour from the time they leave til they get back, so this is going to save them money vs a normal truck delivery believe it or not.  People use these to transport large Snap-On tool chests and other machinery all the time locally.  When I called them they were totally familiar with doing it.</div> <div> </div> <div>The challenge we had with a fork lift is the possibility that it could not make it up my driveway without renting one with pneumatic tires vs the standard hard rubber.  I assume this will be the heaviest machine I will own and getting it off the truck only to be stuck on the driveway would suck after having to pay to rent a forklift (which was not covered under the agreement we set up for delivery). </div> <div> </div> <div>Good Luck Stan!</div> <div> </div> <div>PK</div> pk@... (PK) Thu, 10 Apr 2025 13:13:07 -0700 /g/felderownersgroup/message/140873 <div>Hy Imram . Could be so kind to repost those schematic with higher resolution picture . Thank you , VlAD , ROMANIA</div> laptopuri@... (Industrial repair) Thu, 10 Apr 2025 11:08:54 -0700 /g/felderownersgroup/message/140872 <div>On Thu, Apr 10, 2025 at 06:25 AM, Karl Hesser wrote:</div> <div> <blockquote> <div>Another option for you would be to call a tow truck company and get a roll back truck to pick up and deliver for you. They normally charge by the hour but it potentially could cost less than renting a forklift. They can back up to your garage door and offload it easily. I have done this in the past with large items difficult to move with a lift. </div> </blockquote> </div> <div> </div> <div>If you did choose to go this route, I would be careful about liability.   While toe truck company&#39;s insurance may cover vehicles being towed, it is entirely possible that the insurance will not cover towed machinery.  I would ask the tow truck company for a copy of their insurance and then speak to the insurance company to verify what is covered.   If there&#39;s an accident or the saw falls off the tow truck, it&#39;s essentially a $20,000+ loss.  Maybe it&#39;s just me, but I&#39;m very paranoid about this type of risk.</div> <div> </div> <div>-Aaron Inami</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> ainami@... (Aaron Inami) Thu, 10 Apr 2025 08:20:44 -0700 /g/felderownersgroup/message/140871 <div>Hi Stan, I also am mostly a solid wood user, with the occasional plywood or termite vomit (melamine) cabinet construction. The scoring saw is very useful with melamine and the occasional veneered plywood that refuses to play nicely.</div> <div> </div> <div>I have a Hammer B3W with the 1250mm sliding table which allows the crosscutting of a 4 X 8 sheet of material. I have never wanted a longer slider, you always have to live with the slider regardless of what you&#39;re cutting.</div> <div> </div> <div>I have the 800mm rip capacity with the full table, and an aftermarket overarm guard.</div> <div> </div> <div>Normally the outrigger is not on my machine, it hangs on the wall and I use the crosscut fence on the sliding table for most work.</div> <div> </div> <div>I have the mobility kit on mine, along with a stock feeder which I use on the saw and shaper.</div> <div> </div> <div>I&#39;ve owned mine for 15 years, it has had no failures or loss of calibration, I do PM on it once a year, use is around 5 to 10 hours per week.</div> <div> </div> <div>I use the shaper a lot, prior to the B3W I had a General shaper with a 1 1/4&#34; spindle, so I have a 1 1/4&#34; and 30mm spindle on my B3W which allows me to use stock Felder cutters and my older cutters, as well as a couple of bobbin sanders on the 30mm spindle as well as saw blades and the dado set from the saw.</div> <div> </div> <div>Regards, Rod.</div> riderofgallifrey@... (rodsheridan) Thu, 10 Apr 2025 08:01:12 -0700 /g/felderownersgroup/message/140870 <div>I recently rented a warehouse forklift from United Rentals for a half day with trailer to haul it to my shop for $150 to unload my K700S and FB710. Another option for you would be to call a tow truck company and get a roll back truck to pick up and deliver for you. They normally charge by the hour but it potentially could cost less than renting a forklift. They can back up to your garage door and offload it easily. I have done this in the past with large items difficult to move with a lift. </div> kbhesser@... (Karl Hesser) Thu, 10 Apr 2025 06:25:51 -0700 /g/felderownersgroup/message/140869 <html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type"/></head><body>FWIW, I was able to see both videos.<div><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"/><div dir="ltr">Imran Malik<div>IAM Wood Creations<br/><div><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/362481112015700/?ref=share" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/groups/362481112015700/?ref=share</a></div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br/></div></div> imranwoodshop@... (imran) Thu, 10 Apr 2025 05:45:50 -0700 /g/felderownersgroup/message/140868 <html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type"/></head><body>Aaron is correct, at least my policy, Liberty Mutual at that time, would not cover rented trailer or the contents. However for very little money I added that insurance twice now with LM. I could have added it for a day if I wanted. It covers the trailer and the contents.<div><br/></div><div>One time it was Uhaul open trailer and I picked up a riding mower from couple of hrs of driving distance. Second time it was my friends 20â€� long trailer that I borrowed to pick up lumber from Wisconsin.</div><div><div><br/></div><div>I would never NOT get this rider.</div><div><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"/><div dir="ltr">Imran Malik<div>IAM Wood Creations<br/><div><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/362481112015700/?ref=share" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/groups/362481112015700/?ref=share</a></div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br/></div></div></div> imranwoodshop@... (imran) Thu, 10 Apr 2025 05:44:51 -0700 /g/felderownersgroup/message/140867 <div>It appears my video uploads didn’t work. <br/><br/></div> <div>the sound is like a chugging sound, and after doing some online reading the belt is my next suspect. </div> xenonkuraz@... Wed, 09 Apr 2025 22:13:25 -0700 /g/felderownersgroup/message/140866 <html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type"/> </head><body> <div dir="ltr">Hi Stan. My bad. I misread. Sorry for the confusion my end. All the best!</div> <div id="ms-outlook-mobile-body-separator-line" dir="ltr"><br/> </div> <div id="ms-outlook-mobile-signature"> <div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(33, 33, 33)"> Warm regards,</div> <div dir="ltr" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(33, 33, 33)"> Lucky</div> <div dir="ltr" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(33, 33, 33)"> <br/> </div> <div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(33, 33, 33)"> Dr David Luckensmeyer </div> <div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(33, 33, 33)"> Designer &amp; Maker</div> <div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(33, 33, 33)"> @luckensmeyer</div> <div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(33, 33, 33)"> M: 0413 013 115</div> </div> david@... (David Luckensmeyer) Wed, 09 Apr 2025 21:56:40 -0700 /g/felderownersgroup/message/140865 <div>Lucky, </div> <div> </div> <div>I didn’t had an issue pushing a pallet jack with a machine on it through the driveway slop.</div> <div><br/>The SCM FS7 (1271kg) required some pushing, but the pallet jack didn’t have issue with the weight.</div> netanel.belgazal@... Wed, 09 Apr 2025 21:47:54 -0700 /g/felderownersgroup/message/140864 <div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px">That would be 14 percent, not 14 degrees. 38-44&#34; rise over a 20&#39; run, so about 8-9<span>°.</span></div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><br/></div> <div class="protonmail_signature_block" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px"> <div class="protonmail_signature_block-user protonmail_signature_block-empty"> </div> <div class="protonmail_signature_block-proton"> Sent with <a target="_blank" href="https://proton.me/mail/home" rel="nofollow noopener">Proton Mail</a> secure email. </div> </div> <div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><br/></div><div class="protonmail_quote"> On Wednesday, April 9th, 2025 at 9:14 PM, David Luckensmeyer &lt;david@...&gt; wrote:<br/> </div> 4279427@... (Stan K) Wed, 09 Apr 2025 21:47:06 -0700 /g/felderownersgroup/message/140863 <div>Be aware that if you try to move it yourself with a rented trailer or whatnot, many auto insurance companies will not cover anything on the trailer regarding accidents or damage.   That&#39;s a very expensive risk, but it&#39;s up to you.   That&#39;s why I hired a rigging company to deliver the machine and place the pallet into my garage.  </div> <div> </div> <div>-Aaron Inami</div> ainami@... (Aaron Inami) Wed, 09 Apr 2025 21:27:00 -0700 /g/felderownersgroup/message/140862 <html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type"/> </head><body> <div dir="ltr">Is anyone taking into account the 14 degrees incline or decline (I missed that detail?) of the driveway... That’s very steep! I would not want to operate a forklift with a load this big and heavy. And a pallet jack will be difficult if not impossible without some serious winching/rigging planning. </div> <div dir="ltr"><br/> </div> <div dir="ltr">In Australia we would use a “Frannaâ€�, or articulated mobile crane designed to take heavy loads without outriggers.</div> <div dir="ltr"><br/> </div> <div dir="ltr">While freight/cranes are relatively expensive here, I&#39;m surprised at the kind of prices you guys face in the USA. Basically your quotes in USD are about what I pay in AUD here in Brisbane Australia. </div> <div dir="ltr"><br/> </div> <div dir="ltr">Take away: I&#39;d be worried about that 14 degrees. Keep us informed! And congrats on the purchase.</div> <div dir="ltr"><br/> </div> <div id="ms-outlook-mobile-body-separator-line" dir="ltr"><br/> </div> <div id="ms-outlook-mobile-signature"> <div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(33, 33, 33)"> Warm regards,</div> <div dir="ltr" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(33, 33, 33)"> Lucky</div> <div dir="ltr" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(33, 33, 33)"> <br/> </div> <div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(33, 33, 33)"> Dr David Luckensmeyer </div> <div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(33, 33, 33)"> Designer &amp; Maker</div> <div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(33, 33, 33)"> @luckensmeyer</div> <div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(33, 33, 33)"> M: 0413 013 115</div> </div> david@... (David Luckensmeyer) Wed, 09 Apr 2025 21:14:43 -0700 /g/felderownersgroup/message/140861 <div>Stan,</div> <div> </div> <div>I am also from the Bay Area (I am from the South Bay area).</div> <div>you are 30-40 miles closer to the Sacramento area than me (~60 miles for you)</div> <div>I did a local pickup for all of my Felder machine’s from Sacramento. I think it is better than pay for shipping, and risk your machine with freight companies.</div> <div>You will need a 12ft trailer and pallet jack to unload the machine from the trailer.</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> netanel.belgazal@... Wed, 09 Apr 2025 21:02:35 -0700 /g/felderownersgroup/message/140860 <div> Yeah the crates are too large/heavy for a liftgate and the driveway is too kinky for a pallet jack. Forklift seems to be the easiest option...</div> <div> <br/> </div> <div id="protonmail_mobile_signature_block"> <div> Sent from <a href="https://proton.me/mail/home" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Proton Mail</a> for iOS </div> </div> <div> <br/> </div> <div> <br/> </div>On Wed, Apr 9, 2025 at 19:35, Karl via groups.io &lt; <a href="mailto:On Wed, Apr 9, 2025 at 19:35, Karl via groups.io &lt;&lt;a href=" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">bombamanwa@...</a>&gt; wrote: 4279427@... (Stan K) Wed, 09 Apr 2025 20:40:19 -0700 /g/felderownersgroup/message/140859 <div>I would hesitate to have a lift-gate delivery a machine this big.   The Felder warehouse won&#39;t even ship these size machines on a lift-gate truck anymore.   The danger and risk of machine damage during unloading is too high.  </div> <div> </div> <div>If you want to try moving it yourself, I would look into renting a drop-deck trailer (sometimes described as a lift-bed trailer).  Sunbelt has these available.  Then you can just use a pallet jack to roll it off the trailer.</div> <div> </div> <div>-Aaron Inami</div> ainami@... (Aaron Inami) Wed, 09 Apr 2025 20:34:34 -0700 /g/felderownersgroup/message/140858 <div>A little late to the reply party there haha, yeah with a 14% grade, definatley a forklift would be ideal. As it sounds like your getting comfortable with potentially operating one, check out your local Home Depot, some have 5,000lb forklifts available for rental, otherwise can deliver, simmilar to Sunbet and others. A few hundred $ for piece of mind. If its a straight shot I would probably just use some OSB on the drive way and winch it down on a pallet jack, but just another option haha!<br/><br/>-Karl</div> bombamanwa@... (Karl) Wed, 09 Apr 2025 20:10:38 -0700 /g/felderownersgroup/message/140857 <div><img src="/g/felderownersgroup/draftattachment/30372913/0/IMG_0520.mov" loading="lazy" class="myimg-responsive"/><img src="/g/felderownersgroup/draftattachment/30372913/1/att.W9HJ1yGt8loLjb9i4zdpowyw13REEuN3kGQiU_wBkGs.mp4" loading="lazy" class="myimg-responsive"/>AD531 model thicknesser and jointer combo. Has a loud rumbling sound that causes heavy vibration. <br/><br/></div> <div>initially assumed it was the friction wheel and/or something to do with the rollers but have ruled this out. Inspected the wheel and the sound still happens with rollers disengaged. <br/><br/></div> <div>videos for reference </div> xenonkuraz@... Wed, 09 Apr 2025 20:07:18 -0700