I have a single phase KF700, ?very quiet while staring and running.?
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On Mar 5, 2023, at 5:11 PM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
? Well, to be honest with you, your machine is producing a lot of low frequency noise with just the main saw arbor running. ?I hear a loud rumble at 117 Hz which sounds like the electronic brake is engaged, but I suspect it¡¯s not the brake but something else. ?Given the frequency, it seems suspiciously electronic in nature. ?The wine of the scoring saw motor is an octave above at 234 Hz. for several seconds. ?This leads me to think the noise is electrically related. ?Sorry that¡¯s not much help, and is certainly speculative.
I¡¯d be interested in seeing/hearing a video from someone else who has a single-phase K700 and listening to what that machine sounds like. ?Does anybody else anyone who has listened to these videos have the same negative reaction to the low pitched/loud rumble going continuously?
David Best
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On Mar 5, 2023, at 1:48 PM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
Okay, new videos.? I removed all blades so that we can hear exactly what the motors are doing.
K700S without scoring motor - all blades removed:
K700S WITH scoring motor - all blades removed:
The buzzing on the scoring motor stops after 5 seconds and sounds similar to the noise I hear while I hold-down the power button for the main motor startup-capacitor.? This leads me to believe that the circuit is cutting out the scoring motor starting capacitor at that point.? The sound after is quieter, but still has a slight buzzing character.?
-Aaron
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Thanks Lourens.?
As an aside, I am aware how much your equipment must have cost you. The Aussie Dollar is about 60% of the US Dollar, but the South African Rand is 10% of the AUD. I suspect that you need to own your own diamond or gold mine to afford anything.?
It is many years since I visited Pretoria ¡ 45 at least. I grew up in Cape Town, which was (as you know) like a different country to your area. My wife and I migrated to Australia in the early-mid 80s. However, we would visit every year as our parents were still there, and I have a sister in Port Elizabeth (over the years most of my family have also moved to Oz). These yearly visits continued until Covid, when my mum passed at 96. This made migrating very expensive, but living in South Africa is even more so.?
I did write one short story about my memories growing up, and in the context of woodworking. Link:?
http://www.inthewoodshop.com/Commentary/APlanefromMatjiesfontein.html
Regards from Perth
Derek
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Re: Saw controls on slider
I ran my cable out one of the plastic caps on the end of the chassis below the slider and hang the switch box off the F-channel on the side of the slider. I would suggest a lighter coil cord than what I used, it¡¯s way heavier than needed although it has lasted 20+ years.
Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com
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On Mar 5, 2023, at 2:01 PM, aero_qfi <davesawdon@...> wrote:
I'm tired of fumbling underneath the slider to find the saw start/stop buttons on my BF6 so am about to add switches to the end of the slider, with a 4-way curly cable back to the original switches. I'd be grateful if someone with this "remote switching" as standard could confirm that the cable simply routes out (away from the body of the machine) and hangs loose, so I can avoid re-inventing that particular wheel.?
Dave (in the UK)
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Re: Preferred 27mm hose length?
Tom & James - thanks, I'll take a closer look at the Mirkas.??? But TBH, I do like the Plug-It cords.
Brett - I run 5m 27mm off of a CT-26 and -36.? I too was concerned about lack of performance with the sanders.? So far, no issues.??? But to vacuum the shop floor, I def use a 36mm.
?? cheers.....
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Re: Preferred 27mm hose length?
Tom,
Had an old CTmidi c.2010 with the small hose. Latest CTmidi purchased had I believe the 36mm, but maybe it was 32mm. Way better flow performance and less clogging esp. When vacuuming up things other than sawdust. I would not consider the smaller diameter hose for longer lengths or shorter lengths either one? if I was spending the money on replacements, but I'm not sure what other factors make 27mm desirable.
On Sun, Mar 5, 2023, 2:31 PM < tom@...> wrote: Hi Rich,?
Thanks for the feedback on the 5m hose, I'll give it a closer look.?
I do have a Mirka Deros sander, the 6" pad, 2.5mm orbit configuration. I really like it, particularly for fine sanding between paint or finish coats. I don't notice the paddle switch, at least in a negative way. In my experience it's very intuitive, and I'm not sure I'd go back to a sander with a On/Off switch. Happy to discuss further if you'd like.?
I also have the standard configuration LEROS sander, and have noticed that Mirka recently released a shortened version that would seem well suited to tables and other panel goods....?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Well, to be honest with you, your machine is producing a lot of low frequency noise with just the main saw arbor running. ?I hear a loud rumble at 117 Hz which sounds like the electronic brake is engaged, but I suspect it¡¯s not the brake but something else. ?Given the frequency, it seems suspiciously electronic in nature. ?The wine of the scoring saw motor is an octave above at 234 Hz. for several seconds. ?This leads me to think the noise is electrically related. ?Sorry that¡¯s not much help, and is certainly speculative.
I¡¯d be interested in seeing/hearing a video from someone else who has a single-phase K700 and listening to what that machine sounds like. ?Does anybody else anyone who has listened to these videos have the same negative reaction to the low pitched/loud rumble going continuously?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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On Mar 5, 2023, at 1:48 PM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
Okay, new videos.? I removed all blades so that we can hear exactly what the motors are doing.
K700S without scoring motor - all blades removed:
K700S WITH scoring motor - all blades removed:
The buzzing on the scoring motor stops after 5 seconds and sounds similar to the noise I hear while I hold-down the power button for the main motor startup-capacitor.? This leads me to believe that the circuit is cutting out the scoring motor starting capacitor at that point.? The sound after is quieter, but still has a slight buzzing character.?
-Aaron
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Okay, new videos.? I removed all blades so that we can hear exactly what the motors are doing.
K700S without scoring motor - all blades removed:
K700S WITH scoring motor - all blades removed:
The buzzing on the scoring motor stops after 5 seconds and sounds similar to the noise I hear while I hold-down the power button for the main motor startup-capacitor.? This leads me to believe that the circuit is cutting out the scoring motor starting capacitor at that point.? The sound after is quieter, but still has a slight buzzing character.?
-Aaron
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File /FOG made products/Remote Slider Switches.pdf updated
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The following files and folders have been updated in the Files area of the [email protected] group.
By: imranindiana <imranindiana@...>
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Details of adding a wireless start switch on the slider for saw blade and scoring blade. Also adds a stop switch.
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Hi Dave,
This may not be what you are looking for but may give you am idea. I prefer wireless over a cord. I don't think I put it in files, so I will do that. There are at least 2 more solutions in files. Both corded; one pendant and the other where the switch box is attached to the edge of the slider.
Imran
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I'm tired of fumbling underneath the slider to find the saw start/stop buttons on my BF6 so am about to add switches to the end of the slider, with a 4-way curly cable back to the original switches. I'd be grateful if someone with this "remote switching" as standard could confirm that the cable simply routes out (away from the body of the machine) and hangs loose, so I can avoid re-inventing that particular wheel.?
Dave (in the UK)
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Re: Preferred 27mm hose length?
Hi Rich,?
Thanks for the feedback on the 5m hose, I'll give it a closer look.?
I do have a Mirka Deros sander, the 6" pad, 2.5mm orbit configuration. I really like it, particularly for fine sanding between paint or finish coats. I don't notice the paddle switch, at least in a negative way. In my experience it's very intuitive, and I'm not sure I'd go back to a sander with a On/Off switch. Happy to discuss further if you'd like.?
I also have the standard configuration LEROS sander, and have noticed that Mirka recently released a shortened version that would seem well suited to tables and other panel goods....?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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it was certainly easier to buy brian¡¯s excellent gear several years ago when the aussie dollar was for a brief time worth a little more then the greenback. ?it¡¯s all snakes and ladders, just like the rest of life, well at least mine is like that? Eric -- Eric J. Smith? Trading as W.G. Joinery ABN# 24 079 587 520 03 5784 9258 0411 264 272
PO BOX 353? Broadford Victoria
3658 Australia
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Re: Preferred 27mm hose length?
I have a Mirka DEROS 650X CV, it is 6" with 5mm stroke. I also bought the 5" pad (MK-915GV28-130), so I can use it as a 5" sander. That is the main reason I bought DEROS, otherwise I would need to buy 6" and 5" Festool sanders.
I got used to the paddle switch. I have Festool Rotex 150, PRO 5, ETS EC 150/3 and RTS 400 REQ.
The only thing I do not like is that I cannot use the Festool plug-it power cord on Mirka sander (I wish there was an adapter), so I need the Mirka power cord on my Festool boom arm too.
James
5m hoses here, no regrets, sometimes I need to scoot it away from under my feet, but I'd rather that, than not have enough length.? Also good for overhead stand, hang from ceiling, etc.
Tom - Do you have the Mirka Deros???? What are your thoughts on paddle switch ?? I have Festool slide and toggle switches , and am in the market for a new sander either Deros 125/150 or Festool ETS150.? It would seem awkward having a paddle switch when trying to hold the sander in different positions, but I have never used one.
thanks.....
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Hi Derek,
I don¡¯t know about wages/cost of living, that¡¯s why I asked. Seems you can find just about any figure you want from high to low on the internet, so it¡¯s hard to say what is correct.?
As for your right testicle¡. I suspect you did give that for some of those Japanese chisels, prices I saw for those on the net, for less of them than you have, was about 5k. So, what you are willing to pay for imported items has a direct correlation as to what tool is important to you. Beautiful work bench by the way¡.
Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com
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On Mar 5, 2023, at 9:51 AM, Derek Cohen <derekcohen@...> wrote:
Brian, I very much doubt that the average income in Oz is $100K. Chris is right to correct me on import duty. All just goes to say that woodworking is not an inexpensive endeavor, and it has become that much more costly since Covid. None of this in any way should detract from your tools. I would happily give my right testicle for them.
Regards from Perth
Derek
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Re: Preferred 27mm hose length?
5m hoses here, no regrets, sometimes I need to scoot it away from under my feet, but I'd rather that, than not have enough length.? Also good for overhead stand, hang from ceiling, etc.
Tom - Do you have the Mirka Deros???? What are your thoughts on paddle switch ?? I have Festool slide and toggle switches , and am in the market for a new sander either Deros 125/150 or Festool ETS150.? It would seem awkward having a paddle switch when trying to hold the sander in different positions, but I have never used one.
thanks.....
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¡here is one data point from the OECD - average wages - measured in US$ - please note that is one of many indicators for comparison.
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Brian, I very much doubt that the average income in Oz is $100K. Chris is right to correct me on import duty. All just goes to say that woodworking is not an inexpensive endeavor, and it has become that much more costly since Covid. None of this in any way should detract from your tools. I would happily give my right testicle for them.
Regards from Perth
Derek
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So you have this bench for hand work and the MFT for festool clamps and the like?? That¡¯s nice to have both. Right now I have just an MFT/assembly table. I¡¯d like to build a solid workbench for hand would be great to somehow combine the two.?
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Hi Derek,
That really doesn¡¯t answer my query, you are talking about buying non-Australian goods with the cost of importation and currency calculations.?
I tried to find some information on average weekly income, which according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics is over 100k per year and the US comes in at about 70k, I don¡¯t know if those figures are accurate, just what I found on the net. It appears cost of living in Australia is about 8-10% higher than in the US.
So, near as I can tell, you might actually, on average, being doing as well or slightly better than the US, when it comes to income vs. expenses. I don¡¯t think you can compare importing specific, expensive items from out of the country as prohibitively expensive, if it¡¯s something you need/want. I think those sorts of expenses occur to all of us regardless of where we live if we want something from another country.
Your solutions look great, and in the interest of saving money and safety is what brought about all the products we make. We just took it a step further and decided to make and sell them to those that wanted them as well.
Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com
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On Mar 4, 2023, at 11:52 PM, Derek Cohen <derekcohen@...> wrote:
Brian asked:?
My question for you on currency rates is how does the Australian dollar hold against Australian product? Wages vs. cost? What¡¯s an average wage and what does a loaf of bread or a dozen eggs cost? Or even better, a pound of aluminum and what does anodizing cost? Those are my biggest expenses. This is out of my own curiosity¡.
Recently I decided to build a MFT with track hinge and fence.? Why build and not just purchase? Well, I was not sure if I would find a MFT useful for sawing (although I could see the value as an assembly table, and for hold work for routing and sanding). Plus the Festool MFT locally cost $1600 AUD ($800 USD in the USA), which was a lot to satisfy my curiosity.? In addition, reading the other FOG (Festool Owners Group), the Festool hinge system (for the rail on the MFT) had come in for quite a bit of criticism, and the preferred aftermarket hinges came from Benchdogs and Dashboard. The Benchdogs hinge is??190?from the UK ($340 AUD), and the Dashboard is $290 USD (or $430 AUD) before shipping costs are added in. The Benchdogs fence was another??90 ($160 AUD).?
So it came down to $1600 from Festool Australia vs around $800 from Benchdogs for the hinge and fence, and still need a MFT table top. These are all at least twice the cost of comparable items in the USA. I would add that the cost of living in Australia is than the USA, and so the 100% higher cost of tools indicates how much ground we have to make up. Further, average income in Australia ($57K USD p.a.) is about 25% lower than in the USA ($71K USD p.a.).??
I decided to build my own. Total costs: $50 for materials from a woodworking friend with CNC to make a template to rout the holes for a MFT top. And then around $90 for 6mm aluminium sheets to machine a hinge (using basic woodworking tools, such as a bandsaw, router and drill).?
Was it worth the effort? Was this false economy?
1200mm x 600mm MFT table (plus 300mm extension) ...
The Hinge
Front ...
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Rear (before added spacer) ...
After added spacer ...
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Detail of fence ...
Dimensions for all are on my website:??
Bottom line for me, Brian - I will happily purchase tools if they are affordable. In Oz they are priced excessively, and the current economic climate is not looking good, and getting worse. I am fortunate that I can afford most things, but that does not mean that I am willing to lash out. I am also fortunate that I have a go-for-it attitude, and will then just build what I want. These then get passed on to others, hopefully to benefit from my efforts.
Regards from Perth
Derek
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Re: Preferred 27mm hose length?
Hi Wade,?
At the risk of making a broad, definitive statement, I will say that it has been my experience that all of the European hoses and vacs that I've used conform to the standard 50mm vac-end connection, with the exception of the Starmix hoses, which are only compatible with Starmix vacs, but the Starmix vacs will accept any 50mm hose end.?
In terms of vacs, at this point I've consolidated down to re-branded Starmix vacs (Metabo, Mafell, etc....), and Nilfisk vacs.
So, until Festool converts to a proprietary vac/hose connection, their vacs should be compatible with any brand hose with a 50mm cuff/end.
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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