Re: Buying a used machine without seeing in person
Mac, I think moving moving, loading and unloading machines is the most stressful operation ever invented. I only have 2500 lb forklift capacity and can only drive a little way into the shop. I have to be very inventive moving heavy stuff in and out.
Crafter machine not the heaviest at 5000lbs but a bear to lift with all the weight on the tenoning corner. Luckily the gravel pit next door has a big loader with forks that can lift 20000 lbs.
I sold my heavy truck and trailer a few years ago and told my wife no new machines over 2500 lbs
Blew that promise with the 4000lb Shizuoka! Set it in the shop with the loader but backbreaking to move with a pallet jack.
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I forgot to mention that I haven't used View Plus in a dusty environment. I'll give it a try.
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Airthings View Plus is the preferred "inexpensive" monitor ($300) for indoor air quality (IAQ) professionals. If you bought this version, the one-week calibration is probably for radon.
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Re: For Sale: Felder eccentric clamp
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Mac, they really are magnificent. It has improved my workflow and safety substantially.
I haven't met up with Jasper yet but thanks for the reminder, I will message him!
Best,
Steve
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Re: For Sale: Felder eccentric clamp
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Hi Steve , Great!!? Have you run into my son Jasper? They are always looking for Builders . Best mac,,
Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jan 25, 2024, at 11:53?AM, Steven B <sb@...> wrote:
?Mac, since owning your clamps I have no need for these other items!?
Steve
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Re: For Sale: Felder eccentric clamp
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Mac, since owning your clamps I have no need for these other items!?
Steve
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Re: For Sale: Felder eccentric clamp
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Hi Steve? Why are you selling these parts? Mac,,
Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jan 25, 2024, at 10:23?AM, Steven B <sb@...> wrote:
?Clamp is sold. Thank you. I also have a Felder edging shoe that is brand new that I do not need. Make an offer if you're interested. Steve <IMG_4950.JPG>
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Re: Buying a used machine without seeing in person
There isn¡¯t enough time in the day to reminisce of 54 years of buying and selling machines. 10 years ago Dynamaster vertical Brown? And Sharp shows up in a blizzard 10 below and nasty , Russian driver coming out of NY? Siting on high end of machinery moving high low 7¡¯ in air wrong way 6000# ?and covered in snow and ice. My lot was covered in ice . Fork lift 6000# capacity . Well worth the effort love the machine out of Engenneering at Colombia if I remember 5 axis just a pleasure to use. I have same machine horizontal Dynamaster? Brother sister affair . Late 60¡¯s vintage.? How about moving a Mattison drop bed 12,000# ?moulder buy my self through a large warehouse ?6¡± of different floor elevations with numerous pipe rollers. How about taking down a 25¡¯ tall 8¡¯ dia cyclone on the 5th floor side mounted between two buildings ?rolled it off and it was dark and the Police were eating at final drop lol .? How about lowering a 1000# drill press lowering from a rope lift from a tree. Like this one in Portland coffee shop last month?  Have a beautifull Gomad rebuilding when I get the extra time lol .
Mac,,
Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jan 25, 2024, at 10:27?AM, Patrick Kane <pwk5017@...> wrote:
? Here is a decent example for the OP to consider. I nearly considered going through the hoops of buying this machine below, simply because the deal is good enough. I dont need a freestanding shaper. I dont?have room for another machine in my basement. However, this is the kind of thing that i would take a risk on and pay the $400-500 to ship it to me.?
Patrick I bought my second machine used - it was lightly used and needed some adjustments but no issues. ? I actually just rented a hydraulic lift trailer and used a pallet jack to load and unload. ? No drama - drove about 8 hours and picked it up myself
On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 8:08?AM Steven B < sb@...> wrote: I purchased an F700Z shaper from a fellow here on the FOG. He sent photos and we facetimed to discuss and look over the machine. That took away a lot of the worries.
He was able to build a crate for it which I reimbursed him for, and I arranged shipping through Mainfreight. They showed up with a small lift gate truck to load and it was a little too small for the crate, so they had to do some creative rigging to get it loaded. IIRC they used an engine hoist to pick up the end that wouldn't fit on the lift gate. Freight was $350 from Houston to Brooklyn.
Steve
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Michael Marsico
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Basic spindle moulder usage question
I'm using a BF6 but this question is aimed at those who are more proficient than me at using spindle moulders in general (that's most people here, I suspect) rather than a specific machine model.
I'm comfortable with running mouldings, using false fences, and all the safety aspects of SMs, but struggle with putting a tenon on the end of cabinet door rails such that the rail ends-up at the correct length between the cheeks. I know that I could cut a simple tenon by hand, or on the table saw or the bandsaw, but want to learn how to do it on the SM so I can apply the knowledge to other profiles.
I have one cutter set that produces a 10mm deep 6mm slot and the matching set that produces a 9.5mm 6mm tenon for the rail end. My approach so far has been to cut the rail over size, mark the cheek positions and then take successive passes until the cut reaches the first mark, flip and repeat for the other end ... but there must be a better way because, with all the fence nudging, clamping and un-clamping to the cross fence, between trials this takes a long time. What's the correct technique?
Dave
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Re: Buying a used machine without seeing in person
Here is a decent example for the OP to consider. I nearly considered going through the hoops of buying this machine below, simply because the deal is good enough. I dont need a freestanding shaper. I dont?have room for another machine in my basement. However, this is the kind of thing that i would take a risk on and pay the $400-500 to ship it to me.?
Patrick
I bought my second machine used - it was lightly used and needed some adjustments but no issues. ? I actually just rented a hydraulic lift trailer and used a pallet jack to load and unload. ? No drama - drove about 8 hours and picked it up myself
On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 8:08?AM Steven B < sb@...> wrote: I purchased an F700Z shaper from a fellow here on the FOG. He sent photos and we facetimed to discuss and look over the machine. That took away a lot of the worries.
He was able to build a crate for it which I reimbursed him for, and I arranged shipping through Mainfreight. They showed up with a small lift gate truck to load and it was a little too small for the crate, so they had to do some creative rigging to get it loaded. IIRC they used an engine hoist to pick up the end that wouldn't fit on the lift gate. Freight was $350 from Houston to Brooklyn.
Steve
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Re: For Sale: Felder eccentric clamp
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Clamp is sold. Thank you. I also have a Felder edging shoe that is brand new that I do not need. Make an offer if you're interested. Steve 
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Re: Buying a used machine without seeing in person
I bought my second machine used - it was lightly used and needed some adjustments but no issues. ? I actually just rented a hydraulic lift trailer and used a pallet jack to load and unload. ? No drama - drove about 8 hours and picked it up myself
On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 8:08?AM Steven B < sb@...> wrote: I purchased an F700Z shaper from a fellow here on the FOG. He sent photos and we facetimed to discuss and look over the machine. That took away a lot of the worries.
He was able to build a crate for it which I reimbursed him for, and I arranged shipping through Mainfreight. They showed up with a small lift gate truck to load and it was a little too small for the crate, so they had to do some creative rigging to get it loaded. IIRC they used an engine hoist to pick up the end that wouldn't fit on the lift gate. Freight was $350 from Houston to Brooklyn.
Steve
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Michael Marsico
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Re: Buying a used machine without seeing in person
I purchased an F700Z shaper from a fellow here on the FOG. He sent photos and we facetimed to discuss and look over the machine. That took away a lot of the worries.
He was able to build a crate for it which I reimbursed him for, and I arranged shipping through Mainfreight. They showed up with a small lift gate truck to load and it was a little too small for the crate, so they had to do some creative rigging to get it loaded. IIRC they used an engine hoist to pick up the end that wouldn't fit on the lift gate. Freight was $350 from Houston to Brooklyn.
Steve
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Re: Buying a used machine without seeing in person
I only had one bad experience buying sight unseen and that was a IRS auction. Recovered from it though. Mostly good experience from private sellers. New or use I only ship one way truck. Costs more and can take time to arrange especially in my location but after a few bad experiences with common carrier I would never go that way again.
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Re: For Sale: Felder eccentric clamp
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Posting this again. Make me an offer if you're interested. Brand new Felder eccentric clamp with mounting flange. Never mounted, still in original packaging. Steve 
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Thanks Bill. I¡¯ve noticed that mine does change, however, generally takes five minutes or so to make its mind up.
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There is a lot of information on the cheaper dust monitors on the Australian Woodworking forum and they are surprisingly good. That forum has the most dust extraction information for hobbyists in the world with some actual facts and substantiated information unlike the rubbish that is around especially on YouTube.? ?
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Re: Buying a used machine without seeing in person
I bought a lovely sliding saw/shaper from a gentleman in this group.
We did a facetime where he walked me through the saw, answered all manner of questions, and showed it running.??
In terms of moving it - i was able to retain the same people that had moved it once before for him.? $2,500 to have it hand-delivered in a penske lift truck door to door and was completely worth it.
On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 11:23?AM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
I'll second what Marlowe said and add that if possible, I freight the machine point to point, either crated or shrink wrapped.? Terminals are horrible places built to damage machinery by forklift drivers competing to drive as fast and drop goods as hard as
possible.
Dave
I've bought many (most of my machines actually) used and remotely. It is indeed a gamble,?but I beleive?worth?it if?you are careful (luck plays a part...).? Like David K. says, you want to have enough margin to deal with any issues that are not
disclosed?or get mucked up in transport.? I have found that freight prep and shipping are often the biggest unknowns/ expenses beyond the purchase price.? Crated is always safer and saves on freight.????If you can get photos pre shipment, it will help deal
with any damage claims.? ?If I'm at all worried about?damage, I buy a separate?insurance rider from my freight broker.? ?Otherwise,?the typical damage payment you'll get from a LTL carrier is 50 cents a pound.? I always have machines delivered to a dock and
I pick up from there.? It is cheaper by a good margin and saves all the scheduling headaches of delivery to one's shop.
I purchased my KF700S used, based on a heads-up from Imran on this group and its eBay listing. I live in Saint Louis, MO and it was located near Austin, TX. I was pretty apprehensive about dropping $15k and having to drive nearly 1000 miles each way. I asked
the seller a bunch of questions which were answered quickly with many additional photos. He lost a chunk of money to eBay fees, but that also meant I had the eBay buyer protection option if things went sideways. I had to make the decision very quickly because
I didn't want to get into a bidding war and once someone else bids the "Buy it Now" option goes away.?
Net result: I got a much nicer machine than I would have ordered (2 DROs, shaper, overarm dust, large outrigger, dado blades) plus $3k in new shaper tooling and a bunch of dust hoses and Nordfab fittings. Definitely a good deal, but there was a bunch of risk.?
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Re: Buying a used machine without seeing in person
I'll second what Marlowe said and add that if possible, I freight the machine point to point, either crated or shrink wrapped.? Terminals are horrible places built to damage machinery by forklift drivers competing to drive as fast and drop goods as hard as
possible.
Dave
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I've bought many (most of my machines actually) used and remotely. It is indeed a gamble,?but I beleive?worth?it if?you are careful (luck plays a part...).? Like David K. says, you want to have enough margin to deal with any issues that are not
disclosed?or get mucked up in transport.? I have found that freight prep and shipping are often the biggest unknowns/ expenses beyond the purchase price.? Crated is always safer and saves on freight.????If you can get photos pre shipment, it will help deal
with any damage claims.? ?If I'm at all worried about?damage, I buy a separate?insurance rider from my freight broker.? ?Otherwise,?the typical damage payment you'll get from a LTL carrier is 50 cents a pound.? I always have machines delivered to a dock and
I pick up from there.? It is cheaper by a good margin and saves all the scheduling headaches of delivery to one's shop.
I purchased my KF700S used, based on a heads-up from Imran on this group and its eBay listing. I live in Saint Louis, MO and it was located near Austin, TX. I was pretty apprehensive about dropping $15k and having to drive nearly 1000 miles each way. I asked
the seller a bunch of questions which were answered quickly with many additional photos. He lost a chunk of money to eBay fees, but that also meant I had the eBay buyer protection option if things went sideways. I had to make the decision very quickly because
I didn't want to get into a bidding war and once someone else bids the "Buy it Now" option goes away.?
Net result: I got a much nicer machine than I would have ordered (2 DROs, shaper, overarm dust, large outrigger, dado blades) plus $3k in new shaper tooling and a bunch of dust hoses and Nordfab fittings. Definitely a good deal, but there was a bunch of risk.?
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Re: Buying a used machine without seeing in person
I've bought many (most of my machines actually) used and remotely. It is indeed a gamble,?but I beleive?worth?it if?you are careful (luck plays a part...).? Like David K. says, you want to have enough margin to deal with any issues that are not disclosed?or get mucked up in transport.? I have found that freight prep and shipping are often the biggest unknowns/ expenses beyond the purchase price.?
Crated is always safer and saves on freight.????If you can get photos pre shipment, it will help deal with any damage claims.? ?If I'm at all worried about?damage, I buy a separate?insurance rider from my freight broker.? ?Otherwise,?the typical damage payment you'll get from a LTL carrier is 50 cents a pound.? I always have machines delivered to a dock and I pick up from there.? It is cheaper by a good margin and saves all the scheduling headaches of delivery to one's shop.
I purchased my KF700S used, based on a heads-up from Imran on this group and its eBay listing. I live in Saint Louis, MO and it was located near Austin, TX. I was pretty apprehensive about dropping $15k and having to drive nearly 1000 miles each way. I asked the seller a bunch of questions which were answered quickly with many additional photos. He lost a chunk of money to eBay fees, but that also meant I had the eBay buyer protection option if things went sideways. I had to make the decision very quickly because I didn't want to get into a bidding war and once someone else bids the "Buy it Now" option goes away.?
Net result: I got a much nicer machine than I would have ordered (2 DROs, shaper, overarm dust, large outrigger, dado blades) plus $3k in new shaper tooling and a bunch of dust hoses and Nordfab fittings. Definitely a good deal, but there was a bunch of risk.?
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Mike