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Re: Basic spindle moulder usage question
Hi Dave, I use 2 approaches.
If the length of the tenon, and the shoulder to shoulder to shoulder distances are both critical, such as in a Shaker cope and stick joint, I cut the pieces to the correct length and set the cutter projection to be correct.
The shaper fence is the reference and the piece is butted against it and clamped to the table, or I use the Aigner work holder. I use a safety bar in the fence as well.
If I¡¯m making a rail for a chair or door, where the tenon needs to be a couple mm shorter than the mortise depth, then set the stop on the crosscut fence fence to make one tenon the correct length.
I then reset the stop to touch the shoulder of the first tenon so that the shoulder to shoulder length is perfect.?
In this case I use the tenon table and hood as the tenon length is much longer and I like the added guarding.
Regards, Rod.
Regards, Rod
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Re: Looking for a deep shaper cutter
Cornelius, I have Felder adjustable groover you posted a link to, it makes great tenons in one pas as long as the shoulders aren¡¯t higher than ?about 7mm (single cutter thickness).
Obviously it makes good grooves.
Do you have a 30mm spindle?
If not you can have the cutter bored to 1 1/4¡± or buy the metric spindle, that¡¯s what I did as I had some legacy Imperial cutters, added a 1 1/4¡± spindle to the shop.
Regards, Rod
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Re: Looking for a deep shaper cutter
Yes, the adjustables are the way to go if the price doesn't scare you off. ?I have three of four of them! ? The larger they are, the thicker the minimum size has to be, otherwise they get too flimsy. ?
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Re: Looking for a deep shaper cutter
Yeah, the adjustable cutters are the way to go. Interestingly, I seem to find that the larger diameter cutters are also thicker, 8mm.
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Hi Bird, using an adjustable groover for this would work well and having an adjustable groover in the tool chest is always great, but a fixed width groover/tenon disc would be cheaper and do that job too. ?Here is one: ? Its about $225USD and you could stack two of them to make a tenon too if you wanted. ?They're in millimetre increments so you'd have to be ok with whatever closest mm size to 1/4" is. ? B
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Hi Wade!?
?Yeah, that Aigner implementation of the flip fence is really slick. The machine is great, simple and solid (what I was going for), but having used it for a few weeks I'm realizing I just don't have the room for separates....?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Looking for a deep shaper cutter
Hi Bird, using an adjustable groover for this would work well and having an adjustable groover in the tool chest is always great, but a fixed width groover/tenon disc would be cheaper and do that job too. ?Here is one: ?
Its about $225USD and you could stack two of them to make a tenon too if you wanted. ?They're in millimetre increments so you'd have to be ok with whatever closest mm size to 1/4" is. ?
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Re: Looking for a deep shaper cutter
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Good depth on this one. Lots adjustability?
Jack Decker
Vernacular Design
518 567 2051
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On Jan 26, 2024, at 1:12?PM, Cornelius <Cornelius@...> wrote:
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They sell some spacers separately,? but you will be able to make your tenons using the same cutterhead.
Hi Bird,
Sorry about that. My default is the German Felder Website. Here is the USA link (the unit is on sale right now!):
Regards,
Cornelius Schultze-Kraft?
Cyprus?
On Fri, Jan 26, 2024, 8:03 PM Bird Cupps <
birdc@...> wrote:
Thanks for those links. Those are exactly what I was thinking of. I¡¯ll see if I can find it on the US Felder site. The only thing better would be something for half the price!
On Jan 26, 2024, at 11:51 AM, Alex Bowlds <
aabj@...> wrote:
Here¡¯s another option.? It has the side cutters that help to produce a clean cut.
Max depth of cut is about 2.5 inches.? I sometimes use it for cutting tenons.
Good Luck,
Alex
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Hello again,
Actually,? this unit looks a lot better! It has the horizontal blades and the blades are changeable!
Regards,
Cornelius Schultze-Kraft?
Cyprus?
Hi Bird,
Might this item from Felder do what you are looking for? It is adjustable and has a depth of 65mm (just over 2.5 inch).
I do not own it, so I have no idea regarding its quality and I am sure there are other brands.?
What I have noticed about this particular model is that doesn't have the horizontal blades,? so it will surely not deliver a very clean cut.
Have a nice weekend,
Cornelius Schultze-Kraft?
Cyprus
Bird,
What is the thickness of your stock?
On Jan 26, 2024, at 12:05?PM, Bird Cupps <
birdc@...> wrote:
?Happy Friday
I¡¯m new to using a shaper and I¡¯m trying to figure things out. (I would like it if that Alpine workshop were not scheduled during lambing season!)
I want to make a bridle joint in 2¡¯¡¯ wide stock but I don¡¯t see any cutters with that kind of depth. Can anyone direct me to a source? Or tell me how to do this? Or should I go back to using a table saw?
Learning every day,
Bird Cupps
Mount Horeb, WI
Hi Tom,
Nice looking machine!
I really like how that Aigner fence ¡°nests¡± down over the factory fence. ?Very clean. Wish the AD941 fence did that. ?
It should go fast!
Thx,
Wade
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On Jan 26, 2024, at 8:08 AM, Tom Gensmer <tom@...> wrote:
?Hi Group,? ?I have for sale a "like new" A 951 L which I received in December 2023. The intent behind the machine purchase was to follow the conventional wisdom of "buy separate machines". I went so far as to mark out the Shop floor with masking tape to represent the machines and worked around the proposed arrangement most of the Summer and didn't see any issues. Alas, now that I have the machine in my Shop and have worked with it for a few weeks, I'm coming to the grudging conclusion that, for my current (and foreseeable) shop configuration, I'll have to stick with a combo jointer/planer machine.? ?Therefore, it is with great reluctance that I'll be parting with my A 951 L. Here are the machine details:? ?A 951 L (2023 build) ?-- 7.5kW (10hp) upgraded motor ?-- Silent Power spiral cutterblock ?-- Euro-Comfort guard ?-- Mounting point for power feeder ?-- Aigner combination fence with flip-down sub-fence ?The machine works flawlessly, and I'm really bummed to see it go.? ?I audited the tables and found the castings to be nearly perfect. I know there's a lot of talk about "spring joints" on Felder jointers, I found that Felder aligned the tables perfectly (well, better than 0.05mm as far as I can measure) for co-planarity, and jointed boards are dead-straight (no spring joint).? ?Here's the machine:?  I am including the mounting bracket for a power feeder, but the power feeder shown in the phot is not included in the sale.? Here's the Aigner fence:?  ... and again with the sub-fence flipped down:?  I've been waxing the tables with every use, and using a squirt or two of Supergleit during use.? I do still have the pallet the machine shipped on, as well as the Felder shipping clips.? I live in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area of Minnesota, and would prefer to sell locally, though if the right offer comes in I'm willing to consider helping to arrange for freight.? The machine is under power and available for inspection.? The original invoice cost for the machine was $15.5k (plus freight) and was a ~ 6 month lead time, I'd be looking for something in the $13k range, available immediately.? Interested parties can reach out to me via e-mail, thanks for your interest.? -- Tom Gensmer Heritage Home Renewals, LLC Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Looking for a deep shaper cutter
They sell some spacers separately,? but you will be able to make your tenons using the same cutterhead.
Hi Bird,
Sorry about that. My default is the German Felder Website. Here is the USA link (the unit is on sale right now!):
Regards,
Cornelius Schultze-Kraft? Cyprus?
On Fri, Jan 26, 2024, 8:03 PM Bird Cupps < birdc@...> wrote: Thanks for those links. Those are exactly what I was thinking of. I¡¯ll see if I can find it on the US Felder site. The only thing better would be something for half the price! On Jan 26, 2024, at 11:51 AM, Alex Bowlds < aabj@...> wrote:
Here¡¯s another option.? It has the side cutters that help to produce a clean cut.
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Max depth of cut is about 2.5 inches.? I sometimes use it for cutting tenons.
Good Luck,
Alex
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Hello again,
Actually,? this unit looks a lot better! It has the horizontal blades and the blades are changeable!
Regards,
Cornelius Schultze-Kraft?
Cyprus?
Hi Bird,
Might this item from Felder do what you are looking for? It is adjustable and has a depth of 65mm (just over 2.5 inch).
I do not own it, so I have no idea regarding its quality and I am sure there are other brands.?
What I have noticed about this particular model is that doesn't have the horizontal blades,? so it will surely not deliver a very clean cut.
Have a nice weekend,
Cornelius Schultze-Kraft?
Cyprus
Bird,
What is the thickness of your stock?
On Jan 26, 2024, at 12:05?PM, Bird Cupps <
birdc@...> wrote:
?Happy Friday
I¡¯m new to using a shaper and I¡¯m trying to figure things out. (I would like it if that Alpine workshop were not scheduled during lambing season!)
I want to make a bridle joint in 2¡¯¡¯ wide stock but I don¡¯t see any cutters with that kind of depth. Can anyone direct me to a source? Or tell me how to do this? Or should I go back to using a table saw?
Learning every day,
Bird Cupps
Mount Horeb, WI
Re: Looking for a deep shaper cutter
Hi Bird,
Sorry about that. My default is the German Felder Website. Here is the USA link (the unit is on sale right now!):
Regards,
Cornelius Schultze-Kraft? Cyprus?
On Fri, Jan 26, 2024, 8:03 PM Bird Cupps < birdc@...> wrote: Thanks for those links. Those are exactly what I was thinking of. I¡¯ll see if I can find it on the US Felder site. The only thing better would be something for half the price! On Jan 26, 2024, at 11:51 AM, Alex Bowlds < aabj@...> wrote:
Here¡¯s another option.? It has the side cutters that help to produce a clean cut.
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Max depth of cut is about 2.5 inches.? I sometimes use it for cutting tenons.
Good Luck,
Alex
?
Hello again,
Actually,? this unit looks a lot better! It has the horizontal blades and the blades are changeable!
Regards,
Cornelius Schultze-Kraft?
Cyprus?
Hi Bird,
Might this item from Felder do what you are looking for? It is adjustable and has a depth of 65mm (just over 2.5 inch).
I do not own it, so I have no idea regarding its quality and I am sure there are other brands.?
What I have noticed about this particular model is that doesn't have the horizontal blades,? so it will surely not deliver a very clean cut.
Have a nice weekend,
Cornelius Schultze-Kraft?
Cyprus
Bird,
What is the thickness of your stock?
On Jan 26, 2024, at 12:05?PM, Bird Cupps <
birdc@...> wrote:
?Happy Friday
I¡¯m new to using a shaper and I¡¯m trying to figure things out. (I would like it if that Alpine workshop were not scheduled during lambing season!)
I want to make a bridle joint in 2¡¯¡¯ wide stock but I don¡¯t see any cutters with that kind of depth. Can anyone direct me to a source? Or tell me how to do this? Or should I go back to using a table saw?
Learning every day,
Bird Cupps
Mount Horeb, WI
Re: Looking for a deep shaper cutter
Thanks for those links. Those are exactly what I was thinking of. I¡¯ll see if I can find it on the US Felder site. The only thing better would be something for half the price!
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On Jan 26, 2024, at 11:51 AM, Alex Bowlds < aabj@...> wrote:
Here¡¯s another option. ?It has the side cutters that help to produce a clean cut.
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Max depth of cut is about 2.5 inches. ?I sometimes use it for cutting tenons.
Good Luck,
Alex
?
Hello again,
Actually,? this unit looks a lot better! It has the horizontal blades and the blades are changeable!
Regards,
Cornelius Schultze-Kraft?
Cyprus?
Hi Bird,
Might this item from Felder do what you are looking for? It is adjustable and has a depth of 65mm (just over 2.5 inch).
I do not own it, so I have no idea regarding its quality and I am sure there are other brands.?
What I have noticed about this particular model is that doesn't have the horizontal blades,? so it will surely not deliver a very clean cut.
Have a nice weekend,
Cornelius Schultze-Kraft?
Cyprus
Bird,
What is the thickness of your stock?
On Jan 26, 2024, at 12:05?PM, Bird Cupps <
birdc@...> wrote:
?Happy Friday
I¡¯m new to using a shaper and I¡¯m trying to figure things out. (I would like it if that Alpine workshop were not scheduled during lambing season!)
I want to make a bridle joint in 2¡¯¡¯ wide stock but I don¡¯t see any cutters with that kind of depth. Can anyone direct me to a source? Or tell me how to do this? Or should I go back to using a table saw?
Learning every day,
Bird Cupps
Mount Horeb, WI
Re: Looking for a deep shaper cutter
Here¡¯s another option. ?It has the side cutters that help to produce a clean cut.
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Max depth of cut is about 2.5 inches. ?I sometimes use it for cutting tenons.
Good Luck,
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On Jan 26, 2024, at 9:47 AM, Cornelius <Cornelius@...> wrote:
?
Hello again,
Actually,? this unit looks a lot better! It has the horizontal blades and the blades are changeable!
Regards,
Cornelius Schultze-Kraft?
Cyprus?
Hi Bird,
Might this item from Felder do what you are looking for? It is adjustable and has a depth of 65mm (just over 2.5 inch).
I do not own it, so I have no idea regarding its quality and I am sure there are other brands.?
What I have noticed about this particular model is that doesn't have the horizontal blades,? so it will surely not deliver a very clean cut.
Have a nice weekend,
Cornelius Schultze-Kraft?
Cyprus
Bird,
What is the thickness of your stock?
On Jan 26, 2024, at 12:05?PM, Bird Cupps <
birdc@...> wrote:
?Happy Friday
I¡¯m new to using a shaper and I¡¯m trying to figure things out. (I would like it if that Alpine workshop were not scheduled during lambing season!)
I want to make a bridle joint in 2¡¯¡¯ wide stock but I don¡¯t see any cutters with that kind of depth. Can anyone direct me to a source? Or tell me how to do this? Or should I go back to using a table saw?
Learning every day,
Bird Cupps
Mount Horeb, WI
Re: Looking for a deep shaper cutter
My apologies to all - I have no idea why my messages are posting twice. ??
Hello again,
Actually,? this unit looks a lot better! It has the horizontal blades and the blades are changeable!
Regards,
Cornelius Schultze-Kraft? Cyprus?
Hi Bird,
Might this item from Felder do what you are looking for? It is adjustable and has a depth of 65mm (just over 2.5 inch).
I do not own it, so I have no idea regarding its quality and I am sure there are other brands.?
What I have noticed about this particular model is that doesn't have the horizontal blades,? so it will surely not deliver a very clean cut.
Have a nice weekend,
Cornelius Schultze-Kraft? Cyprus
Bird,
What is the thickness of your stock? On Jan 26, 2024, at 12:05?PM, Bird Cupps < birdc@...> wrote: ?Happy Friday
I¡¯m new to using a shaper and I¡¯m trying to figure things out. (I would like it if that Alpine workshop were not scheduled during lambing season!)
I want to make a bridle joint in 2¡¯¡¯ wide stock but I don¡¯t see any cutters with that kind of depth. Can anyone direct me to a source? Or tell me how to do this? Or should I go back to using a table saw?
Learning every day,
Bird Cupps
Mount Horeb, WI
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Re: Looking for a deep shaper cutter
Hello again,
Actually,? this unit looks a lot better! It has the horizontal blades and the blades are changeable!
Regards,
Cornelius Schultze-Kraft? Cyprus?
Hi Bird,
Might this item from Felder do what you are looking for? It is adjustable and has a depth of 65mm (just over 2.5 inch).
I do not own it, so I have no idea regarding its quality and I am sure there are other brands.?
What I have noticed about this particular model is that doesn't have the horizontal blades,? so it will surely not deliver a very clean cut.
Have a nice weekend,
Cornelius Schultze-Kraft? Cyprus
Bird,
What is the thickness of your stock? On Jan 26, 2024, at 12:05?PM, Bird Cupps < birdc@...> wrote: ?Happy Friday
I¡¯m new to using a shaper and I¡¯m trying to figure things out. (I would like it if that Alpine workshop were not scheduled during lambing season!)
I want to make a bridle joint in 2¡¯¡¯ wide stock but I don¡¯t see any cutters with that kind of depth. Can anyone direct me to a source? Or tell me how to do this? Or should I go back to using a table saw?
Learning every day,
Bird Cupps
Mount Horeb, WI
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Re: Looking for a deep shaper cutter
Hi Bird,
Might this item from Felder do what you are looking for? It is adjustable and has a depth of 65mm (just over 2.5 inch).
I do not own it, so I have no idea regarding its quality and I am sure there are other brands.?
What I have noticed about this particular model is that doesn't have the horizontal blades,? so it will surely not deliver a very clean cut.
Have a nice weekend,
Cornelius Schultze-Kraft? Cyprus
Bird,
What is the thickness of your stock? On Jan 26, 2024, at 12:05?PM, Bird Cupps < birdc@...> wrote: ?Happy Friday
I¡¯m new to using a shaper and I¡¯m trying to figure things out. (I would like it if that Alpine workshop were not scheduled during lambing season!)
I want to make a bridle joint in 2¡¯¡¯ wide stock but I don¡¯t see any cutters with that kind of depth. Can anyone direct me to a source? Or tell me how to do this? Or should I go back to using a table saw?
Learning every day,
Bird Cupps
Mount Horeb, WI
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Re: Looking for a deep shaper cutter
3/4
I¡¯d need a 1/4¡¯¡¯ grooving cutter that can give me a depth of 2''
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Bird,
What is the thickness of your stock? On Jan 26, 2024, at 12:05?PM, Bird Cupps < birdc@...> wrote: ?Happy Friday
I¡¯m new to using a shaper and I¡¯m trying to figure things out. (I would like it if that Alpine workshop were not scheduled during lambing season!)
I want to make a bridle joint in 2¡¯¡¯ wide stock but I don¡¯t see any cutters with that kind of depth. Can anyone direct me to a source? Or tell me how to do this? Or should I go back to using a table saw?
Learning every day,
Bird Cupps
Mount Horeb, WI
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Re: Looking for a deep shaper cutter
Bird,
What is the thickness of your stock?
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On Jan 26, 2024, at 12:05?PM, Bird Cupps <birdc@...> wrote: ?Happy Friday
I¡¯m new to using a shaper and I¡¯m trying to figure things out. (I would like it if that Alpine workshop were not scheduled during lambing season!)
I want to make a bridle joint in 2¡¯¡¯ wide stock but I don¡¯t see any cutters with that kind of depth. Can anyone direct me to a source? Or tell me how to do this? Or should I go back to using a table saw?
Learning every day,
Bird Cupps
Mount Horeb, WI
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Looking for a deep shaper cutter
Happy Friday
I¡¯m new to using a shaper and I¡¯m trying to figure things out. (I would like it if that Alpine workshop were not scheduled during lambing season!)
I want to make a bridle joint in 2¡¯¡¯ wide stock but I don¡¯t see any cutters with that kind of depth. Can anyone direct me to a source? Or tell me how to do this? Or should I go back to using a table saw?
Learning every day,
Bird Cupps
Mount Horeb, WI
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Hi Group,? ?I have for sale a "like new" A 951 L which I received in December 2023. The intent behind the machine purchase was to follow the conventional wisdom of "buy separate machines". I went so far as to mark out the Shop floor with masking tape to represent the machines and worked around the proposed arrangement most of the Summer and didn't see any issues. Alas, now that I have the machine in my Shop and have worked with it for a few weeks, I'm coming to the grudging conclusion that, for my current (and foreseeable) shop configuration, I'll have to stick with a combo jointer/planer machine.? ?Therefore, it is with great reluctance that I'll be parting with my A 951 L. Here are the machine details:? ?A 951 L (2023 build) ?-- 7.5kW (10hp) upgraded motor ?-- Silent Power spiral cutterblock ?-- Euro-Comfort guard ?-- Mounting point for power feeder ?-- Aigner combination fence with flip-down sub-fence ?The machine works flawlessly, and I'm really bummed to see it go.? ?I audited the tables and found the castings to be nearly perfect. I know there's a lot of talk about "spring joints" on Felder jointers, I found that Felder aligned the tables perfectly (well, better than 0.05mm as far as I can measure) for co-planarity, and jointed boards are dead-straight (no spring joint).? ?Here's the machine:?  I am including the mounting bracket for a power feeder, but the power feeder shown in the phot is not included in the sale.? Here's the Aigner fence:?  ... and again with the sub-fence flipped down:?  I've been waxing the tables with every use, and using a squirt or two of Supergleit during use.? I do still have the pallet the machine shipped on, as well as the Felder shipping clips.? I live in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area of Minnesota, and would prefer to sell locally, though if the right offer comes in I'm willing to consider helping to arrange for freight.? The machine is under power and available for inspection.? The original invoice cost for the machine was $15.5k (plus freight) and was a ~ 6 month lead time, I'd be looking for something in the $13k range, available immediately.? Interested parties can reach out to me via e-mail, thanks for your interest.? -- Tom Gensmer Heritage Home Renewals, LLC Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Harvey Bandsaw Alpha HW615P
Harvey's packaging and shipping are very good; my saw arrived with out damage or drama.
I've not used it extensively, but so far I am very pleased with it.
I do agree the fence is not the best, but works.? To change it from left of the blase to right you have to take the blade off.
I have not found an easy way to adjust the lower blade guide when changing the blade.
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