Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Not sure I understand? This is what mine looks like after passing through the blade Bill
Bill,
I put a caliper between my blade and the end of the cross cut fence and was getting 50.10mm, so I wouldn’t be cutting hardly anything off.? Will that be enough to index the end of the insert? ?
Thx,
Wade On Jan 29, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Bill Belanger <Bill@...> wrote:
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No need for a backer at all this stuff cuts very ?cleanly
Bill
Thank you Bill,
With a 50.20mm length showing, there must just be a very small part trimmed off the end after passing by the blade.? Would you recommend a backer behind the ZCI when I first cut through this material or does it trim really clean?
Thx,
Wade On Jan 28, 2022, at 12:38 PM, Bill Belanger <Bill@...> wrote:
? Yes Wade, You can find them here; I have both blue and black ones.
Not a fan of the Etsy thing, but it made transactions simpler for everyone. Bill
Hi Bill,
Are you still selling zero clearance inserts for the end of the large Format cross cut fence?
Thx,
Wade On Jan 28, 2022, at 9:19 AM, Bill Belanger <Bill@...> wrote:
? Bob, The bed on my printer is only 250 mm.
Bill Belanger
On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 08:48 Bob Wise < bob@...> wrote: Am curious if 3d printing a zci is viable out of either ABS or nylon. Thinking PLA might be too brittle. On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 6:56 AM Mike < mike@...> wrote: Thanks, everyone, for your helpful comments. My wish list was created to save time. Now, I realize it would take more time (and money) to source most of them than to make them or make due.
- I will fill the gaps on my heat-shrunk 4" elbow for the overhead guard and ignore it.
- Last night I "machined" slider inserts with a hand plane using a scrap of 150-yr-old oak (very hard and stable).
- I'll continue using hose for the shaper duct, similar to Bill's picture.?
This leaves the zero-clearance throat plate. I'm tired of pulling slivers of wood out of the ducts when they get sucked in, and I don't want to dedicate the time to making the throat plate. I wonder if something other than the $82 Felder () is available. Since John Renzetti's email was omitted and I have a KF700S (not a K940), I'm still looking.
Thanks again,
Mike
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Bill,
I put a caliper between my blade and the end of the cross cut fence and was getting 50.10mm, so I wouldn’t be cutting hardly anything off. ?Will that be enough to index the end of the insert? ?
Thx,
Wade
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On Jan 29, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Bill Belanger <Bill@...> wrote:
? No need for a backer at all this stuff cuts very ?cleanly
Bill
Thank you Bill,
With a 50.20mm length showing, there must just be a very small part trimmed off the end after passing by the blade.? Would you recommend a backer behind the ZCI when I first cut through this material or does it trim really clean?
Thx,
Wade On Jan 28, 2022, at 12:38 PM, Bill Belanger <Bill@...> wrote:
? Yes Wade, You can find them here; I have both blue and black ones.
Not a fan of the Etsy thing, but it made transactions simpler for everyone. Bill
Hi Bill,
Are you still selling zero clearance inserts for the end of the large Format cross cut fence?
Thx,
Wade On Jan 28, 2022, at 9:19 AM, Bill Belanger <Bill@...> wrote:
? Bob, The bed on my printer is only 250 mm.
Bill Belanger
On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 08:48 Bob Wise < bob@...> wrote: Am curious if 3d printing a zci is viable out of either ABS or nylon. Thinking PLA might be too brittle. On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 6:56 AM Mike < mike@...> wrote: Thanks, everyone, for your helpful comments. My wish list was created to save time. Now, I realize it would take more time (and money) to source most of them than to make them or make due.
- I will fill the gaps on my heat-shrunk 4" elbow for the overhead guard and ignore it.
- Last night I "machined" slider inserts with a hand plane using a scrap of 150-yr-old oak (very hard and stable).
- I'll continue using hose for the shaper duct, similar to Bill's picture.?
This leaves the zero-clearance throat plate. I'm tired of pulling slivers of wood out of the ducts when they get sucked in, and I don't want to dedicate the time to making the throat plate. I wonder if something other than the $82 Felder () is available. Since John Renzetti's email was omitted and I have a KF700S (not a K940), I'm still looking.
Thanks again,
Mike
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
No need for a backer at all this stuff cuts very ?cleanly
Bill
Thank you Bill,
With a 50.20mm length showing, there must just be a very small part trimmed off the end after passing by the blade.? Would you recommend a backer behind the ZCI when I first cut through this material or does it trim really clean?
Thx,
Wade On Jan 28, 2022, at 12:38 PM, Bill Belanger <Bill@...> wrote:
? Yes Wade, You can find them here; I have both blue and black ones.
Not a fan of the Etsy thing, but it made transactions simpler for everyone. Bill
Hi Bill,
Are you still selling zero clearance inserts for the end of the large Format cross cut fence?
Thx,
Wade On Jan 28, 2022, at 9:19 AM, Bill Belanger <Bill@...> wrote:
? Bob, The bed on my printer is only 250 mm.
Bill Belanger
On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 08:48 Bob Wise < bob@...> wrote: Am curious if 3d printing a zci is viable out of either ABS or nylon. Thinking PLA might be too brittle. On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 6:56 AM Mike < mike@...> wrote: Thanks, everyone, for your helpful comments. My wish list was created to save time. Now, I realize it would take more time (and money) to source most of them than to make them or make due.
- I will fill the gaps on my heat-shrunk 4" elbow for the overhead guard and ignore it.
- Last night I "machined" slider inserts with a hand plane using a scrap of 150-yr-old oak (very hard and stable).
- I'll continue using hose for the shaper duct, similar to Bill's picture.?
This leaves the zero-clearance throat plate. I'm tired of pulling slivers of wood out of the ducts when they get sucked in, and I don't want to dedicate the time to making the throat plate. I wonder if something other than the $82 Felder () is available. Since John Renzetti's email was omitted and I have a KF700S (not a K940), I'm still looking.
Thanks again,
Mike
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Thank you Bill,
With a 50.20mm length showing, there must just be a very small part trimmed off the end after passing by the blade. ?Would you recommend a backer behind the ZCI when I first cut through this material or does it trim really clean?
Thx,
Wade
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On Jan 28, 2022, at 12:38 PM, Bill Belanger <Bill@...> wrote:
? Yes Wade, You can find them here; I have both blue and black ones.
Not a fan of the Etsy thing, but it made transactions simpler for everyone. Bill
Hi Bill,
Are you still selling zero clearance inserts for the end of the large Format cross cut fence?
Thx,
Wade On Jan 28, 2022, at 9:19 AM, Bill Belanger <Bill@...> wrote:
? Bob, The bed on my printer is only 250 mm.
Bill Belanger
On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 08:48 Bob Wise < bob@...> wrote: Am curious if 3d printing a zci is viable out of either ABS or nylon. Thinking PLA might be too brittle. On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 6:56 AM Mike < mike@...> wrote: Thanks, everyone, for your helpful comments. My wish list was created to save time. Now, I realize it would take more time (and money) to source most of them than to make them or make due.
- I will fill the gaps on my heat-shrunk 4" elbow for the overhead guard and ignore it.
- Last night I "machined" slider inserts with a hand plane using a scrap of 150-yr-old oak (very hard and stable).
- I'll continue using hose for the shaper duct, similar to Bill's picture.?
This leaves the zero-clearance throat plate. I'm tired of pulling slivers of wood out of the ducts when they get sucked in, and I don't want to dedicate the time to making the throat plate. I wonder if something other than the $82 Felder () is available. Since John Renzetti's email was omitted and I have a KF700S (not a K940), I'm still looking.
Thanks again,
Mike
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Re: K3 Winner / Sliding Table Saws
Having a fritz and Franz jig was a game changer for me. The felder cam clamp / hold down (even w/minimal clamp pressure) on the hammer slider seemed to always deflect/twist the slide and make it difficult to push.?
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Re: Problem with Delivery of new Felder K770S
Ed, I just placed an order for the Hammer C3 31 which is expected to be here in April.
I live in Quincy, Ma and plan on picking up the machine in Delaware when it arrives, it's about a 5 1/2 hr drive, plus I'll save a few hundred dollars picking it up myself.
A few years back I drove a truck and can tell you that it's hit or miss with the freight terminals. Some are really good about taking care of the freight and some just don't give a sh...
Bill
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This is great. Appreciated very much your response and the resources for which you provided links. Your response to Felder’s continued (apparently) equipping of the Hammer K3 with a faulty cross cut fence stop is right on target! Like you, I also appreciate Marius Hornberger’s videos.
? ? Best,
? ? ? ?Michael
On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 3:54 PM John Huelsenbeck < johnh@...> wrote: This is mostly in response to Ray's question about resources for his
Hammer K3. He clearly is considering putting the machine out of its
(his?) misery, but I hope he looks at these resources before he does
that!
Despite the fact that I was obviously annoyed by the scoring unit on
my machine, I have been as happy as a clam (a notoriously happy
animal) using my Hammer K3. I'll give a list of resources at the end
of this message, but I'll just say a few things that impress me.
First, you don't need a lot of jigs to use a sliding table saw to its
fullest. The only one I would recommend is the Fritz & Franz jig. (Are
there other jigs I'm missing that are useful for sliding table saws?)
One of the things that I don't like about North American style table
saws is that you need to construct a bunch of jigs to do things like
cross cutting, something a sliding table saw does out of the box if
it's equipped with a cross cut fence. Second, I do like the inherently
safer way in which you operate the sliding table saw. When using a NA
style saw, I feel as if I have a big target on my head. Finally, I'm
quite happy with the precision and quality of the machine. I am using
commie units in my woodworking: I can cut repeatedly to within a
fraction of a millimeter.
Now for some resources that I have found useful:
1.
Marius is a German kid who set up a workshop in his parent's basement
in Germany. I love the fact that he constructs almost all of the
things he needs in his shop by himself. He is a stickler for precision
and even discovered a design flaw in the Hammer K3 crosscut fence
stop. He designed a fix and sold it for a while. Felder invited him to
their factory where they showed him their solution to the problem,
which they sell on their online shop. (Which brings up the question:
Why the fuck does Felder still equip the Hammer K3 saws with the
faulty stop while at the same time selling the working version online.
There should be a law against this!) Marius also has an excellent
review of the Hammer K3 he bought.
2.
Sam Blasco uses a sliding table saw extensively in his shop and has
some excellent videos on its use.
3.
I can totally identify with this guy. Middle aged. Bald. Clearly a
techie. He has videos on the thought process he went through when
purchasing a combo machine. He has also bought some of the higher-end
third party items you can buy for the Hammer, such as those sold by
Lamb Toolworks.
4.
This guy is a Hammer K3 enthusiast, though his delivery is a bit
stiff. He seems to be obsessed with precision and accuracy and has
even tested the accuracy of the angle gauge that you can buy as an add
on for the saw.
5.
Hoffman is another person who is a bit OCD about precision and
accuracy. He has videos that are quite useful for setting up the saw.
He also has a balanced video on the good and the bad on the saw.
6.
Canadian dude who speaks in Canadian. He has a Felder line sliding
table saw and an impeccably neat shop which I drool over.
7.
Bedrosian is a retired engineer who makes beautiful stuff. He has many
creative design solutions to flaws in the Hammer K3, such as the
position of the on/off switch. He also sells a first-rate Fritz &
Franz jig, which I bought. His instagram page also has links to Hammer
resources.
8.
And last, but not least, is Valdez who has videos on the use of a
sliding table saw. He owns a Hammer K3. He also sells excellent
zero-clearance inserts for the Hammer K3 which are superior to those
sold by Felder (there's more support on the table side of the insert).
I hope that this helps! It would be wonderful if we could have a web
site (perhaps a wiki) to which people could contribute on the set up,
maintenance, and use of Felder equipment.
Take care,
JH
--
John Huelsenbeck
Department of Integrative Biology
University of California, Berkeley
Berkeley, CA 94720
(510) 502-5887
johnh@...
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Mark Kessler Sent: Friday, January 28, 2022 10:33 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [FOG] Cross cut fence zero clearance insert #k700s ? Michael, the 3 parts that mount to the cast iron did not break. They were printed on a markforged 3d printer that is not your average printer, it uses a proprietary material which is nylon with chopped carbon fiber and additionally continuous fibre can be used to strengthen the part even more. I originally made them to prototype the fit of which i did 3 iterations before I had them made in aluminum. As usual I didn’t give enough detail, when i said they lasted three months it was because after 3 months i had the aluminum parts so I no longer needed them. I tapped the holes and they were getting a little wonky after installing/reinstalling the throat plate several times, and they were a bit hacked up from the prototype stage. I would imagine if you used threaded inserts it could work well 3d printed ?or even in wood, either or was my plan if I wasn’t able to get them made in Aluminum. 
? I just got a 3D printer and have not even used it yet – it looks like I can print diagonally 550mm or so.?? On my K940 there are actually 3 pieces that make up the part to take off and bolt on – are the ZCI normally one piece or could it be done with 3? ? I wouldn’t mind giving a print a try if there is a STL file on the site??? I did not look, and an brand new to printing so I could make a bit of a mess I suppose ? ? Mark – you said yours lasted 3 months, did it break? ? ? For a larger part like that?I'd use a commercial printing service. Have you played with NylonX? It's pretty stiff. ? On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 8:34 AM Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote: I don’t know that ABS or nylon is going to be stiff enough. The times I’ve printed with ABS is tends to be pretty flexible. Big problem is going to be a 3D printer large enough to print the throat plate… I think it’s pretty long and my machine is older and shorter. ? On Jan 28, 2022, at 8:48 AM, Bob Wise <bob@...> wrote: ? Am curious if 3d printing a zci is viable out of either ABS or nylon. Thinking PLA might be too brittle. ? On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 6:56 AM Mike <mike@...> wrote: Thanks, everyone, for your helpful comments. My wish list was created to save time. Now, I realize it would take more time (and money) to source most of them than to make them or make due.
- I will fill the gaps on my heat-shrunk 4" elbow for the overhead guard and ignore it.
- Last night I "machined" slider inserts with a hand plane using a scrap of 150-yr-old oak (very hard and stable).
- I'll continue using hose for the shaper duct, similar to Bill's picture.?
This leaves the zero-clearance throat plate. I'm tired of pulling slivers of wood out of the ducts when they get sucked in, and I don't want to dedicate the time to making the throat plate. I wonder if something other than the $82 Felder () is available. Since John Renzetti's email was omitted and I have a KF700S (not a K940), I'm still looking.
Thanks again,
Mike
?
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Michael Marsico
-- Michael Marsico
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Michael, the 3 parts that mount to the cast iron did not break. They were printed on a markforged 3d printer that is not your average printer, it uses a proprietary material which is nylon with chopped carbon fiber and additionally continuous fibre can be used to strengthen the part even more.
I originally made them to prototype the fit of which i did 3 iterations before I had them made in aluminum. As usual I didn’t give enough detail, when i said they lasted three months it was because after 3 months i had the aluminum parts so I no longer needed them. I tapped the holes and they were getting a little wonky after installing/reinstalling the throat plate several times, and they were a bit hacked up from the prototype stage.
I would imagine if you used threaded inserts it could work well 3d printed ?or even in wood, either or was my plan if I wasn’t able to get them made in Aluminum.
here are some pics….
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On Jan 28, 2022, at 1:07 PM, Michael Marsico <michael.marsico1@...> wrote:
? I just got a 3D printer and have not even used it yet – it looks like I can print diagonally 550mm or so.?? On my K940 there are actually 3 pieces that make up the part to take off and bolt on – are the ZCI normally one piece or could it be done with 3? ? I wouldn’t mind giving a print a try if there is a STL file on the site??? I did not look, and an brand new to printing so I could make a bit of a mess I suppose ? ? Mark – you said yours lasted 3 months, did it break? ? ? For a larger part like that?I'd use a commercial printing service. Have you played with NylonX? It's pretty stiff. ? On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 8:34 AM Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote: I don’t know that ABS or nylon is going to be stiff enough. The times I’ve printed with ABS is tends to be pretty flexible. Big problem is going to be a 3D printer large enough to print the throat plate… I think it’s pretty long and my machine is older and shorter. ? On Jan 28, 2022, at 8:48 AM, Bob Wise <bob@...> wrote: ? Am curious if 3d printing a zci is viable out of either ABS or nylon. Thinking PLA might be too brittle. ? On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 6:56 AM Mike <mike@...> wrote: Thanks, everyone, for your helpful comments. My wish list was created to save time. Now, I realize it would take more time (and money) to source most of them than to make them or make due.
- I will fill the gaps on my heat-shrunk 4" elbow for the overhead guard and ignore it.
- Last night I "machined" slider inserts with a hand plane using a scrap of 150-yr-old oak (very hard and stable).
- I'll continue using hose for the shaper duct, similar to Bill's picture.?
This leaves the zero-clearance throat plate. I'm tired of pulling slivers of wood out of the ducts when they get sucked in, and I don't want to dedicate the time to making the throat plate. I wonder if something other than the $82 Felder () is available. Since John Renzetti's email was omitted and I have a KF700S (not a K940), I'm still looking.
Thanks again,
Mike
?
-- Michael Marsico
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Re: Short Crosscut Fence Usage on 10' Sliders
Yes. ?Brian Lamb makes them: ?
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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Ed,
You can get digital stops for the smaller cross cut fence? ?
Wade
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Re: Short Crosscut Fence Usage on 10' Sliders
Ed,
You can get digital stops for the smaller cross cut fence? ?
Wade
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Yes Wade, You can find them here; I have both blue and black ones.
Not a fan of the Etsy thing, but it made transactions simpler for everyone. Bill
Hi Bill,
Are you still selling zero clearance inserts for the end of the large Format cross cut fence?
Thx,
Wade On Jan 28, 2022, at 9:19 AM, Bill Belanger <Bill@...> wrote:
? Bob, The bed on my printer is only 250 mm.
Bill Belanger
On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 08:48 Bob Wise < bob@...> wrote: Am curious if 3d printing a zci is viable out of either ABS or nylon. Thinking PLA might be too brittle. On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 6:56 AM Mike < mike@...> wrote: Thanks, everyone, for your helpful comments. My wish list was created to save time. Now, I realize it would take more time (and money) to source most of them than to make them or make due.
- I will fill the gaps on my heat-shrunk 4" elbow for the overhead guard and ignore it.
- Last night I "machined" slider inserts with a hand plane using a scrap of 150-yr-old oak (very hard and stable).
- I'll continue using hose for the shaper duct, similar to Bill's picture.?
This leaves the zero-clearance throat plate. I'm tired of pulling slivers of wood out of the ducts when they get sucked in, and I don't want to dedicate the time to making the throat plate. I wonder if something other than the $82 Felder () is available. Since John Renzetti's email was omitted and I have a KF700S (not a K940), I'm still looking.
Thanks again,
Mike
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Hi Bill,
Are you still selling zero clearance inserts for the end of the large Format cross cut fence?
Thx,
Wade
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On Jan 28, 2022, at 9:19 AM, Bill Belanger <Bill@...> wrote:
? Bob, The bed on my printer is only 250 mm.
Bill Belanger
On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 08:48 Bob Wise < bob@...> wrote: Am curious if 3d printing a zci is viable out of either ABS or nylon. Thinking PLA might be too brittle. On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 6:56 AM Mike < mike@...> wrote: Thanks, everyone, for your helpful comments. My wish list was created to save time. Now, I realize it would take more time (and money) to source most of them than to make them or make due.
- I will fill the gaps on my heat-shrunk 4" elbow for the overhead guard and ignore it.
- Last night I "machined" slider inserts with a hand plane using a scrap of 150-yr-old oak (very hard and stable).
- I'll continue using hose for the shaper duct, similar to Bill's picture.?
This leaves the zero-clearance throat plate. I'm tired of pulling slivers of wood out of the ducts when they get sucked in, and I don't want to dedicate the time to making the throat plate. I wonder if something other than the $82 Felder () is available. Since John Renzetti's email was omitted and I have a KF700S (not a K940), I'm still looking.
Thanks again,
Mike
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Re: K3 Winner / Sliding Table Saws
In the same vein, once you start using the clamps, hands near blade is an uncomfortable experience. At least for me, even though I had yrs of past exposure to working w/o clamps on domestic table saw and on KF700.
Imran
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On Jan 28, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Steve Wurster <steven.m.wurster@...> wrote: ?On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 10:50 AM, PK wrote:
As soon as you break the habit of standing behind the blade, things will progress quickly.? For me, when I do have to stand behind the blade for a process (not many) I feel uncomfortable and look to jigs etc, to get me away from that position.
I agree with this statement.? I've had my K3 79x48 for 3.5 years now and do nearly everything from the left side of the sliding table.? However the other day I had to rip some 8' pieces and rather than attempt to build a jig for that or go with Derek Cohen's "slide, reposition, slide again" technique, I simply ripped them the "old fashioned" way using the fence as if I had a standard US-style saw.? It felt a little weird; not truly uncomfortable and certainly not dangerous feeling, but definitely weird. As for the OP's question about resources, etc., I don't have anything to add on top of the other great responses in here.
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On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 10:50 AM, PK wrote:
As soon as you break the habit of standing behind the blade, things will progress quickly.? For me, when I do have to stand behind the blade for a process (not many) I feel uncomfortable and look to jigs etc, to get me away from that position.
I agree with this statement.? I've had my K3 79x48 for 3.5 years now and do nearly everything from the left side of the sliding table.? However the other day I had to rip some 8' pieces and rather than attempt to build a jig for that or go with Derek Cohen's "slide, reposition, slide again" technique, I simply ripped them the "old fashioned" way using the fence as if I had a standard US-style saw.? It felt a little weird; not truly uncomfortable and certainly not dangerous feeling, but definitely weird. As for the OP's question about resources, etc., I don't have anything to add on top of the other great responses in here.
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Thanks David that would be great.?
I am getting started with fusion and am midway through one of the sets of videos you and others suggested in another thread - really good instruction!!
The cutter software is actually. It too bad on this printer - but there is a ton I am learning
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Michael,
Mark’s comment about “breaking” I believe was in reference to the wood consumable ZCI throat plate, not the 3 base components it mounts to.
Have a look at this link: ?
This version fits the K940, Kappa 400, etc, not the K/KF-700. ?And it is not provisioned for the LED strip associated with the scoring unit. ?The three base components need to be stiff - I make my versions out of 6061 aluminum and have them hard
anodized. ? ?I do not believe that ABS or regular Nylon are suitable for the three base components. ?
The longest of the three components in the system is 355mm which is larger than the diagonal on my 3D printer. ?I have the 3D model for this in Fusion 360 and could easily spit out a STEP or STL file. ?I am not prepared to train/help with 3D printer
use, so you’re on your own with that end.?
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
I just got a 3D printer and have not even used it yet – it looks like I can print diagonally 550mm or so.?? On my K940 there are actually 3 pieces that make up the part to take off and bolt on – are the ZCI normally one piece or could
it be done with 3?
?
I wouldn’t mind giving a print a try if there is a STL file on the site??? I did not look, and an brand new to printing so I could make a bit of a mess I suppose
?
?
Mark – you said yours lasted 3 months, did it break?
?
?
For a larger part like that?I'd use a commercial printing service. Have you played with NylonX? It's pretty stiff.
?
On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 8:34 AM Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
I don’t know that ABS or nylon is going to be stiff enough. The times I’ve printed with ABS is tends to be pretty flexible. Big problem is going to be a 3D printer large enough to print the throat plate… I think it’s pretty long and my
machine is older and shorter.
?
On Jan 28, 2022, at 8:48 AM, Bob Wise <bob@...> wrote:
?
Am curious if 3d printing a zci is viable out of either ABS or nylon. Thinking PLA might be too brittle.
?
On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 6:56 AM Mike <mike@...> wrote:
Thanks, everyone, for your helpful comments. My wish list was created to save time. Now, I realize it would take more time (and money) to source most of them than to make them or make due.
- I will fill the gaps on my heat-shrunk 4" elbow for the overhead guard and ignore it.
- Last night I "machined" slider inserts with a hand plane using a scrap of 150-yr-old oak (very hard and stable).
- I'll continue using hose for the shaper duct, similar to Bill's picture.?
This leaves the zero-clearance throat plate. I'm tired of pulling slivers of wood out of the ducts when they get sucked in, and I don't want to dedicate the time to making the throat plate. I wonder if something other than the $82 Felder ()
is available. Since John Renzetti's email was omitted and I have a KF700S (not a K940), I'm still looking.
Thanks again,
Mike
?
--
Michael Marsico
-- Michael Marsico
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Michael,
Mark’s comment about “breaking” I believe was in reference to the wood consumable ZCI throat plate, not the 3 base components it mounts to.
Have a look at this link: ?
This version fits the K940, Kappa 400, etc, not the K/KF-700. ?And it is not provisioned for the LED strip associated with the scoring unit. ?The three base components need to be stiff - I make my versions out of 6061 aluminum and have them hard anodized. ? ?I do not believe that ABS or regular Nylon are suitable for the three base components. ?
The longest of the three components in the system is 355mm which is larger than the diagonal on my 3D printer. ?I have the 3D model for this in Fusion 360 and could easily spit out a STEP or STL file. ?I am not prepared to train/help with 3D printer use, so you’re on your own with that end.?
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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I just got a 3D printer and have not even used it yet – it looks like I can print diagonally 550mm or so.?? On my K940 there are actually 3 pieces that make up the part to take off and bolt on – are the ZCI normally one piece or could it be done with 3? ? I wouldn’t mind giving a print a try if there is a STL file on the site??? I did not look, and an brand new to printing so I could make a bit of a mess I suppose ? ? Mark – you said yours lasted 3 months, did it break? ? ? For a larger part like that?I'd use a commercial printing service. Have you played with NylonX? It's pretty stiff. ? On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 8:34 AM Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote: I don’t know that ABS or nylon is going to be stiff enough. The times I’ve printed with ABS is tends to be pretty flexible. Big problem is going to be a 3D printer large enough to print the throat plate… I think it’s pretty long and my machine is older and shorter. ? On Jan 28, 2022, at 8:48 AM, Bob Wise <bob@...> wrote: ? Am curious if 3d printing a zci is viable out of either ABS or nylon. Thinking PLA might be too brittle. ? On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 6:56 AM Mike <mike@...> wrote: Thanks, everyone, for your helpful comments. My wish list was created to save time. Now, I realize it would take more time (and money) to source most of them than to make them or make due.
- I will fill the gaps on my heat-shrunk 4" elbow for the overhead guard and ignore it.
- Last night I "machined" slider inserts with a hand plane using a scrap of 150-yr-old oak (very hard and stable).
- I'll continue using hose for the shaper duct, similar to Bill's picture.?
This leaves the zero-clearance throat plate. I'm tired of pulling slivers of wood out of the ducts when they get sucked in, and I don't want to dedicate the time to making the throat plate. I wonder if something other than the $82 Felder () is available. Since John Renzetti's email was omitted and I have a KF700S (not a K940), I'm still looking.
Thanks again,
Mike
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
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I just got a 3D printer and have not even used it yet – it looks like I can print diagonally 550mm or so.?? On my K940 there are actually 3 pieces that make up the part to take off and bolt on – are the ZCI normally one piece or could it be done with 3? ? I wouldn’t mind giving a print a try if there is a STL file on the site??? I did not look, and an brand new to printing so I could make a bit of a mess I suppose ? ? Mark – you said yours lasted 3 months, did it break? ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Bob Wise Sent: Friday, January 28, 2022 11:36 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [FOG] Cross cut fence zero clearance insert #k700s ? For a larger part like that?I'd use a commercial printing service. Have you played with NylonX? It's pretty stiff. ? On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 8:34 AM Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote: I don’t know that ABS or nylon is going to be stiff enough. The times I’ve printed with ABS is tends to be pretty flexible. Big problem is going to be a 3D printer large enough to print the throat plate… I think it’s pretty long and my machine is older and shorter. ? On Jan 28, 2022, at 8:48 AM, Bob Wise <bob@...> wrote: ? Am curious if 3d printing a zci is viable out of either ABS or nylon. Thinking PLA might be too brittle. ? On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 6:56 AM Mike <mike@...> wrote: Thanks, everyone, for your helpful comments. My wish list was created to save time. Now, I realize it would take more time (and money) to source most of them than to make them or make due.
- I will fill the gaps on my heat-shrunk 4" elbow for the overhead guard and ignore it.
- Last night I "machined" slider inserts with a hand plane using a scrap of 150-yr-old oak (very hard and stable).
- I'll continue using hose for the shaper duct, similar to Bill's picture.?
This leaves the zero-clearance throat plate. I'm tired of pulling slivers of wood out of the ducts when they get sucked in, and I don't want to dedicate the time to making the throat plate. I wonder if something other than the $82 Felder () is available. Since John Renzetti's email was omitted and I have a KF700S (not a K940), I'm still looking.
Thanks again,
Mike
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-- Michael Marsico
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Bob, The bed on my printer is only 250 mm.
Bill Belanger
On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 08:48 Bob Wise < bob@...> wrote: Am curious if 3d printing a zci is viable out of either ABS or nylon. Thinking PLA might be too brittle. On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 6:56 AM Mike < mike@...> wrote: Thanks, everyone, for your helpful comments. My wish list was created to save time. Now, I realize it would take more time (and money) to source most of them than to make them or make due.
- I will fill the gaps on my heat-shrunk 4" elbow for the overhead guard and ignore it.
- Last night I "machined" slider inserts with a hand plane using a scrap of 150-yr-old oak (very hard and stable).
- I'll continue using hose for the shaper duct, similar to Bill's picture.?
This leaves the zero-clearance throat plate. I'm tired of pulling slivers of wood out of the ducts when they get sucked in, and I don't want to dedicate the time to making the throat plate. I wonder if something other than the $82 Felder () is available. Since John Renzetti's email was omitted and I have a KF700S (not a K940), I'm still looking.
Thanks again,
Mike
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
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On Jan 28, 2022, at 9:36 AM, Bob Wise < bob@...> wrote:
For a larger part like that?I'd use a commercial printing service. Have you played with NylonX? It's pretty stiff. On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 8:34 AM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: I don’t know that ABS or nylon is going to be stiff enough. The times I’ve printed with ABS is tends to be pretty flexible. Big problem is going to be a 3D printer large enough to print the throat plate… I think it’s pretty long and my machine is older and shorter.
On Jan 28, 2022, at 8:48 AM, Bob Wise < bob@...> wrote:
Am curious if 3d printing a zci is viable out of either ABS or nylon. Thinking PLA might be too brittle. On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 6:56 AM Mike < mike@...> wrote: Thanks, everyone, for your helpful comments. My wish list was created to save time. Now, I realize it would take more time (and money) to source most of them than to make them or make due.
- I will fill the gaps on my heat-shrunk 4" elbow for the overhead guard and ignore it.
- Last night I "machined" slider inserts with a hand plane using a scrap of 150-yr-old oak (very hard and stable).
- I'll continue using hose for the shaper duct, similar to Bill's picture.?
This leaves the zero-clearance throat plate. I'm tired of pulling slivers of wood out of the ducts when they get sucked in, and I don't want to dedicate the time to making the throat plate. I wonder if something other than the $82 Felder () is available. Since John Renzetti's email was omitted and I have a KF700S (not a K940), I'm still looking.
Thanks again,
Mike
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