Re: Aftermarket Digital Rip Fence?
Never mind, I found a few minutes this evening and was able to track down the parts diagram (see attached). I'd want to confirm with Felder parts before I ordered anything, but this shows most of what I think you'd need, not including the readout. Please note that this is for the 800mm rip capacity configuration, and you'd need different parts for the 1250mm rip package.?
In terms of cost, you'd be looking at something in the $1,800.00 range, based on a quote from mid-2020.?
I hope this helps!
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Aftermarket Digital Rip Fence?
Hi Dan!?
I'll sink my teeth into the e-mails with Felder tomorrow (Monday) and see what I can come up with.?
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Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Aftermarket Digital Rip Fence?
Tom, thank you for your input. I was told that the DRO on the rip fence was not able to be retrofitted aftermarket. Would you mind sharing the part numbers and the process on here or in a separate private email??
I would greatly appreciate that. Thanks?
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On Jan 9, 2022, at 7:24 PM, tom@... wrote:
?Hi Dan!?
My apologies for the late addition to this conversation. I recently received my KF700SP, and had a similar situation as you (second guessing all-analog), and here are my notes:
For the digital flip stops for crosscutting, I determined it would be most cost effective to use Brian Lamb's flip stops on my analog fence. That being said, I've been happy with my analog flip stops and can regularly nail measurements to better than 0.5mm (that's less than 1/32").?
For the rip fence, the mechanically driven rip fence can not be retrofitted. That being said, if you're just looking for the DRO, you can order the DRO parts from Felder and install them yourself. The Felder service department was really helpful in terms of helping my identify what parts I'd need to order to accomplish this. After using my saw for a year though, I'm finding that I'm happy with the analog fence.?
Again, for the work I'm performing, hitting measurements within 1/64"+/- is plenty accurate, and I have work-arounds for work requiring accuracy better than 1/64". It really depends on how you plan on using your machine. Hope this helps!?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Aftermarket Digital Rip Fence?
Hi Dan!?
My apologies for the late addition to this conversation. I recently received my KF700SP, and had a similar situation as you (second guessing all-analog), and here are my notes:
For the digital flip stops for crosscutting, I determined it would be most cost effective to use Brian Lamb's flip stops on my analog fence. That being said, I've been happy with my analog flip stops and can regularly nail measurements to better than 0.5mm (that's less than 1/32").?
For the rip fence, the mechanically driven rip fence can not be retrofitted. That being said, if you're just looking for the DRO, you can order the DRO parts from Felder and install them yourself. The Felder service department was really helpful in terms of helping my identify what parts I'd need to order to accomplish this. After using my saw for a year though, I'm finding that I'm happy with the analog fence.?
Again, for the work I'm performing, hitting measurements within 1/64"+/- is plenty accurate, and I have work-arounds for work requiring accuracy better than 1/64". It really depends on how you plan on using your machine. Hope this helps!?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: DPST required for On button remote switch for Hammer K3?
Hi Joe,
I guess it is possible that your machine has the switches in 220VAC circuit but ones in Felder are rated for even higher voltage.
Imran
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On Jan 9, 2022, at 6:30 PM, joe slater <joeslater4@...> wrote: ?Thanks everyone. ?I’ll get my meters out and do some investigation. ?Worst case is I can use a multi-channel remote relay, which are pretty inexpensive. The Schneider Harmony approach is definitely robust and elegant, but looks to be well over $500 in parts. ?
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Re: DPST required for On button remote switch for Hammer K3?
Thanks everyone. ?I’ll get my meters out and do some investigation. ?Worst case is I can use a multi-channel remote relay, which are pretty inexpensive. The Schneider Harmony approach is definitely robust and elegant, but looks to be well over $500 in parts. ?
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Re: Aftermarket Digital Rip Fence?
It doesn’t, you use the stock Felder stop on the extension pull out. The DRO functions on the main portion of the fence.
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On Jan 9, 2022, at 3:31 PM, Fred Rossi < fred@...> wrote:
Brian:
How does the DRO flipstop work on the Felder extension portion of the fence?
Fred Rossi On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 4:43 PM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: Felder sells the DRO options at a reasonable price when ordering the saw that way, at least it used to be. I think the DRO option on the crosscut fence was $1300 or so, which is just a bit more than our option. We designed the DRO for those that didn’t order it with the associated large fence extrusion and it’s perfect for those situations.
On Jan 9, 2022, at 11:48 AM, Dan Gavrilyuk < dgwoodco@...> wrote:
Thanks for all the input on my questions. I’m new to sliders so everyone else’s experience is invaluable to make my purchase decisions.?
Regarding adding digital flip stops to the crosscut fence and auto rip to the build on my saw, my rep said it’s too late in the process to make any changes. He did offer to potentially send me another customer’s saw currently in the Delaware warehouse with almost identical build specs but including the precision miter index option. The one condition is that he is willing to accept my machine in April and I accept his machine now with the added miter index part.? Im on the fence about accepting the other machine with the added feature or wait another 3 months. What would you guys do in my situation??
My saw is a 7.5hp 3ph, 126” slide, 1500 outrigger, with overhead saw guard option. Since this is probably not my forever slider, I went with all manual controls to begin with. My thought process was that I will eventually be adding a Fiama DRO to the rip fence and one of Brian’s crosscut flip stop DRO.? On Jan 9, 2022, at 12:17 PM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
?And I have two threaded holes on the short edge, you could clamp a piece of bar across that edge that slides into the t-slot and then use set screws to push it tight and make it square as long as the fence itself is square.
A Parallel fence is another solution….
On Jan 9, 2022, at 10:10 AM, Bill Belanger < Bill@...> wrote:
Brian Lamb makes a huge square that you can use to get a square cut on long thin pieces. Bill Belanger
I use the rip fence for longer narrow work which seems like about half the time.? Fo me it is a major feature of the machine.
Sometimes i use a 12" triangle square against the x-cut fence and work piece for in between shape work pieces as insurance.? A longer squaring arm that rides in the face groove of x-cut fence and used the same measuring system as the x-cut stops might be handy.? I would be able to work to the left of the blade more often.
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Re: DPST required for On button remote switch for Hammer K3?
Felder support was pretty clear that the switches needed to be rated for 220v, and the wiring diagram shows them being connected to incoming line voltage. ?
On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 4:52 PM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: As far as I know all the switches are 24V, so you don’t need 230V items. They are just NO or NC depending upon whether they are on the run or stop side of the circuit.
Hi all,
first post.? I'm a hobbyist and recently received my K3 winner.? like many of you, crawling over the slider to turn the saw off and on is far from ideal and would like to install a remote switch on the slider.? I've reviewed the various posts and files on the topic (nice work BTW), most of which are pointed at Felder models.? I contacted Felder support, and they were actually quite helpful in providing a wiring diagram (though I did have one in the doc package which came with the machine) and pointing out which part was the power switch, though had to officially tell me not to do it, warranty would be voided, etc, all of which is understandable in the corporate world.? ?The power switch (image of relevant portion below) has a DPST with dual NO contacts for the On button (S1), and a SPST NC contact for the Off button (S0).? does anyone know why they have a DPST for the On button?? from the diagram, it appears that a SPST NO momentary switch would be electrically equivalent.? I assume there can't be much current being switched since it is activating relays.? trying to find a 230 v DPST with dual NO contacts is a bit more challenging (and expensive) than I thought initially, whereas standard SPST NO switches are everywhere and cheap.? ?
any advice will be appreciated.??
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Cliff,
Thankfully, we have come a long way from what you describe. IIRC, Trex like decking has been around for 2 decades. PVC trim been around for a while as well.
Imran
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On Jan 9, 2022, at 6:02 PM, Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq. via groups.io <rohrabacher@...> wrote: ?
Rice hulls
They will take on moisture and swell. That will take a toll on
the material.
I built a cover for the skimmer of an ingrown pool some dozen or
so years ago? using that sawdust? and plastic? decking material.?
It? did take on moisture and? started shedding material from the
surface and eventually? failed completely.? It took more than a
decade.? Maybe they will get more life from rice hulls??
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7/22 10:09 AM, imranindiana wrote:
Just catching up on this old house. Last week’s episode
showed this PVC with rice hull product which they are using for
trim. Especially interesting is that one can take a wedge out
(similar to Rockler miter fold) from the middle of a long trim
board and fold it 90 degrees (some heat required) to make a
seamless corner trim board.
Has anyone used this product? Comes in sheets as well as
boards. Paintable and stainable (apparently to look like wood).
Last time I got excited about a new siding product rated for
ground contact made out of waste ash was short lived. At?$80
a board (5 yrs ago), it is definitely out of my price range.?
Imran
PS, they never mentioned the product name on the show. A
search brought up ACRE which match the description. Not sure if
there are other manufacturers supplying the same product.
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Rice hulls
They will take on moisture and swell. That will take a toll on
the material.
I built a cover for the skimmer of an ingrown pool some dozen or
so years ago? using that sawdust? and plastic? decking material.?
It? did take on moisture and? started shedding material from the
surface and eventually? failed completely.? It took more than a
decade.? Maybe they will get more life from rice hulls??
On 1/
7/22 10:09 AM, imranindiana wrote:
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Just catching up on this old house. Last week’s episode
showed this PVC with rice hull product which they are using for
trim. Especially interesting is that one can take a wedge out
(similar to Rockler miter fold) from the middle of a long trim
board and fold it 90 degrees (some heat required) to make a
seamless corner trim board.
Has anyone used this product? Comes in sheets as well as
boards. Paintable and stainable (apparently to look like wood).
Last time I got excited about a new siding product rated for
ground contact made out of waste ash was short lived. At?$80
a board (5 yrs ago), it is definitely out of my price range.?
Imran
PS, they never mentioned the product name on the show. A
search brought up ACRE which match the description. Not sure if
there are other manufacturers supplying the same product.
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Re: Newest Splinter tongue design for non-DRO fences
Bill i'd? be interested in? 2 of those ...mauve? is not necessary? for me :)
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Re: DPST required for On button remote switch for Hammer K3?
I went another route altogether.
I use solenoids to actuate the factory switch. I actuate the
solenoids? remotely with a pendant switch.? It's a bit of a
construction but it works everytime. I did the same thing with my
RL1600? except I [put? actuator switches at each work station.?
Lots of guys might have gone with a remote but I'd only lose the
damn thing.
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Hi all,
first post.? I'm a hobbyist and recently received my K3 winner.?
like many of you, crawling over the slider to turn the saw off and
on is far from ideal and would like to install a remote switch on
the slider.? I've reviewed the various posts and files on the
topic (nice work BTW), most of which are pointed at Felder
models.? I contacted Felder support, and they were actually quite
helpful in providing a wiring diagram (though I did have one in
the doc package which came with the machine) and pointing out
which part was the power switch, though had to officially tell me
not to do it, warranty would be voided, etc, all of which is
understandable in the corporate world.? ?The power switch (image
of relevant portion below) has a DPST with dual NO contacts for
the On button (S1), and a SPST NC contact for the Off button
(S0).? does anyone know why they have a DPST for the On button??
from the diagram, it appears that a SPST NO momentary switch would
be electrically equivalent.? I assume there can't be much current
being switched since it is activating relays.? trying to find a
230 v DPST with dual NO contacts is a bit more challenging (and
expensive) than I thought initially, whereas standard SPST NO
switches are everywhere and cheap.? ?
any advice will be appreciated.??
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Re: DPST required for On button remote switch for Hammer K3?
Hi Joe,
You may want to check the switches on your machine. My K975 switches (on/off) are SPST but have 2 sets of terminal that made it easier to add the wireless switches to the end of my slider and they work great.
As Brian said they are in a 24VAC circuit. So my setup, literally, adds remotely controlled switches in parallel with the main and scoring on switches. Having two sets of terminals on OEM makes it really easy.
The remotely controlled off switch needs to be in series though.
I choose a key fob with 3 buttons. Key fobs are available with 2 and 4 buttons as well. There may be some other options but the only other that I found was Schneider Harmony. 3 of their switches won’t fit in my slider and the cost was $500+. You can locate switches on the slider (assume they will fit in the hammer slider) or you can located them in an enclosure hanging from ceiling or located where ever it is convenient.
There is a plan for wired remote switches in the files section.
My solution required a 24V power supply, a wireless receiver from home security and a key fob. I used a 3D printed tray to secure the keyfob in slider cavity. I believe parts were around $100.
Here is the original post. If you like more details let me know.
This thread may be helpful. It has link to the wired plan and also a post on a more elegant using aforementioned Schneider Harmony parts.
Imran
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On Jan 9, 2022, at 4:46 PM, joeslater4@... wrote: ?Hi all, first post.? I'm a hobbyist and recently received my K3 winner.? like many of you, crawling over the slider to turn the saw off and on is far from ideal and would like to install a remote switch on the slider.? I've reviewed the various posts and files on the topic (nice work BTW), most of which are pointed at Felder models.? I contacted Felder support, and they were actually quite helpful in providing a wiring diagram (though I did have one in the doc package which came with the machine) and pointing out which part was the power switch, though had to officially tell me not to do it, warranty would be voided, etc, all of which is understandable in the corporate world.? ?The power switch (image of relevant portion below) has a DPST with dual NO contacts for the On button (S1), and a SPST NC contact for the Off button (S0).? does anyone know why they have a DPST for the On button?? from the diagram, it appears that a SPST NO momentary switch would be electrically equivalent.? I assume there can't be much current being switched since it is activating relays.? trying to find a 230 v DPST with dual NO contacts is a bit more challenging (and expensive) than I thought initially, whereas standard SPST NO switches are everywhere and cheap.? ? any advice will be appreciated.?? 
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Re: Aftermarket Digital Rip Fence?
Brian:
How does the DRO flipstop work on the Felder extension portion of the fence?
Fred Rossi
On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 4:43 PM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: Felder sells the DRO options at a reasonable price when ordering the saw that way, at least it used to be. I think the DRO option on the crosscut fence was $1300 or so, which is just a bit more than our option. We designed the DRO for those that didn’t order it with the associated large fence extrusion and it’s perfect for those situations.
On Jan 9, 2022, at 11:48 AM, Dan Gavrilyuk < dgwoodco@...> wrote:
Thanks for all the input on my questions. I’m new to sliders so everyone else’s experience is invaluable to make my purchase decisions.?
Regarding adding digital flip stops to the crosscut fence and auto rip to the build on my saw, my rep said it’s too late in the process to make any changes. He did offer to potentially send me another customer’s saw currently in the Delaware warehouse with almost identical build specs but including the precision miter index option. The one condition is that he is willing to accept my machine in April and I accept his machine now with the added miter index part.? Im on the fence about accepting the other machine with the added feature or wait another 3 months. What would you guys do in my situation??
My saw is a 7.5hp 3ph, 126” slide, 1500 outrigger, with overhead saw guard option. Since this is probably not my forever slider, I went with all manual controls to begin with. My thought process was that I will eventually be adding a Fiama DRO to the rip fence and one of Brian’s crosscut flip stop DRO.? On Jan 9, 2022, at 12:17 PM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
?And I have two threaded holes on the short edge, you could clamp a piece of bar across that edge that slides into the t-slot and then use set screws to push it tight and make it square as long as the fence itself is square.
A Parallel fence is another solution….
On Jan 9, 2022, at 10:10 AM, Bill Belanger < Bill@...> wrote:
Brian Lamb makes a huge square that you can use to get a square cut on long thin pieces. Bill Belanger
I use the rip fence for longer narrow work which seems like about half the time.? Fo me it is a major feature of the machine.
Sometimes i use a 12" triangle square against the x-cut fence and work piece for in between shape work pieces as insurance.? A longer squaring arm that rides in the face groove of x-cut fence and used the same measuring system as the x-cut stops might be handy.? I would be able to work to the left of the blade more often.
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Re: DPST required for On button remote switch for Hammer K3?
You do some nice updated wiring boards Dave those buttons are very nice ,,my Dean Smith and Grace needs an update. I have AB flex 70 my neighbor is going to install for me . My old stater is toast,, tried rebuilding but just to damn old.
Saw,,, I just start up and turn off when done not keen on lots of starts and stops. Even though my starters are pretty heavy duty.
mac,,,
Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jan 9, 2022, at 3:56 PM, David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
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Look at antivandal switches.? They are flush and harder to accidently hit which is good for that application.? Dave
Hi all,
first post.? I'm a hobbyist and recently received my K3 winner.? like many of you, crawling over the slider to turn the saw off and on is far from ideal and would like to install a remote switch on the slider.? I've reviewed the various posts and files on the
topic (nice work BTW), most of which are pointed at Felder models.? I contacted Felder support, and they were actually quite helpful in providing a wiring diagram (though I did have one in the doc package which came with the machine) and pointing out which
part was the power switch, though had to officially tell me not to do it, warranty would be voided, etc, all of which is understandable in the corporate world.? ?The power switch (image of relevant portion below) has a DPST with dual NO contacts for the On
button (S1), and a SPST NC contact for the Off button (S0).? does anyone know why they have a DPST for the On button?? from the diagram, it appears that a SPST NO momentary switch would be electrically equivalent.? I assume there can't be much current being
switched since it is activating relays.? trying to find a 230 v DPST with dual NO contacts is a bit more challenging (and expensive) than I thought initially, whereas standard SPST NO switches are everywhere and cheap.? ?
any advice will be appreciated.??
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Re: DPST required for On button remote switch for Hammer K3?
Look at antivandal switches.? They are flush and harder to accidently hit which is good for that application.? Dave
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Hi all,
first post.? I'm a hobbyist and recently received my K3 winner.? like many of you, crawling over the slider to turn the saw off and on is far from ideal and would like to install a remote switch on the slider.? I've reviewed the various posts and files on the
topic (nice work BTW), most of which are pointed at Felder models.? I contacted Felder support, and they were actually quite helpful in providing a wiring diagram (though I did have one in the doc package which came with the machine) and pointing out which
part was the power switch, though had to officially tell me not to do it, warranty would be voided, etc, all of which is understandable in the corporate world.? ?The power switch (image of relevant portion below) has a DPST with dual NO contacts for the On
button (S1), and a SPST NC contact for the Off button (S0).? does anyone know why they have a DPST for the On button?? from the diagram, it appears that a SPST NO momentary switch would be electrically equivalent.? I assume there can't be much current being
switched since it is activating relays.? trying to find a 230 v DPST with dual NO contacts is a bit more challenging (and expensive) than I thought initially, whereas standard SPST NO switches are everywhere and cheap.? ?
any advice will be appreciated.??
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Re: DPST required for On button remote switch for Hammer K3?
As far as I know all the switches are 24V, so you don’t need 230V items. They are just NO or NC depending upon whether they are on the run or stop side of the circuit.
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Hi all,
first post.? I'm a hobbyist and recently received my K3 winner.? like many of you, crawling over the slider to turn the saw off and on is far from ideal and would like to install a remote switch on the slider.? I've reviewed the various posts and files on the topic (nice work BTW), most of which are pointed at Felder models.? I contacted Felder support, and they were actually quite helpful in providing a wiring diagram (though I did have one in the doc package which came with the machine) and pointing out which part was the power switch, though had to officially tell me not to do it, warranty would be voided, etc, all of which is understandable in the corporate world.? ?The power switch (image of relevant portion below) has a DPST with dual NO contacts for the On button (S1), and a SPST NC contact for the Off button (S0).? does anyone know why they have a DPST for the On button?? from the diagram, it appears that a SPST NO momentary switch would be electrically equivalent.? I assume there can't be much current being switched since it is activating relays.? trying to find a 230 v DPST with dual NO contacts is a bit more challenging (and expensive) than I thought initially, whereas standard SPST NO switches are everywhere and cheap.? ?
any advice will be appreciated.??
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DPST required for On button remote switch for Hammer K3?
Hi all, first post.? I'm a hobbyist and recently received my K3 winner.? like many of you, crawling over the slider to turn the saw off and on is far from ideal and would like to install a remote switch on the slider.? I've reviewed the various posts and files on the topic (nice work BTW), most of which are pointed at Felder models.? I contacted Felder support, and they were actually quite helpful in providing a wiring diagram (though I did have one in the doc package which came with the machine) and pointing out which part was the power switch, though had to officially tell me not to do it, warranty would be voided, etc, all of which is understandable in the corporate world.? ?The power switch (image of relevant portion below) has a DPST with dual NO contacts for the On button (S1), and a SPST NC contact for the Off button (S0).? does anyone know why they have a DPST for the On button?? from the diagram, it appears that a SPST NO momentary switch would be electrically equivalent.? I assume there can't be much current being switched since it is activating relays.? trying to find a 230 v DPST with dual NO contacts is a bit more challenging (and expensive) than I thought initially, whereas standard SPST NO switches are everywhere and cheap.? ? any advice will be appreciated.?? 
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Re: Aftermarket Digital Rip Fence?
Felder sells the DRO options at a reasonable price when ordering the saw that way, at least it used to be. I think the DRO option on the crosscut fence was $1300 or so, which is just a bit more than our option. We designed the DRO for those that didn’t order it with the associated large fence extrusion and it’s perfect for those situations.
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On Jan 9, 2022, at 11:48 AM, Dan Gavrilyuk < dgwoodco@...> wrote:
Thanks for all the input on my questions. I’m new to sliders so everyone else’s experience is invaluable to make my purchase decisions.?
Regarding adding digital flip stops to the crosscut fence and auto rip to the build on my saw, my rep said it’s too late in the process to make any changes. He did offer to potentially send me another customer’s saw currently in the Delaware warehouse with almost identical build specs but including the precision miter index option. The one condition is that he is willing to accept my machine in April and I accept his machine now with the added miter index part.? Im on the fence about accepting the other machine with the added feature or wait another 3 months. What would you guys do in my situation??
My saw is a 7.5hp 3ph, 126” slide, 1500 outrigger, with overhead saw guard option. Since this is probably not my forever slider, I went with all manual controls to begin with. My thought process was that I will eventually be adding a Fiama DRO to the rip fence and one of Brian’s crosscut flip stop DRO.? On Jan 9, 2022, at 12:17 PM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? And I have two threaded holes on the short edge, you could clamp a piece of bar across that edge that slides into the t-slot and then use set screws to push it tight and make it square as long as the fence itself is square.
A Parallel fence is another solution….
On Jan 9, 2022, at 10:10 AM, Bill Belanger < Bill@...> wrote:
Brian Lamb makes a huge square that you can use to get a square cut on long thin pieces. Bill Belanger
I use the rip fence for longer narrow work which seems like about half the time.? Fo me it is a major feature of the machine.
Sometimes i use a 12" triangle square against the x-cut fence and work piece for in between shape work pieces as insurance.? A longer squaring arm that rides in the face groove of x-cut fence and used the same measuring system as the x-cut stops might be handy.? I would be able to work to the left of the blade more often.
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Tom Gensmer
Dan Gavrilyuk
imran
Bill Belanger
joe slater
Fred Rossi
