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Re: Would you buy a combo Shaper/Saw?
I think the chair is too nice for that but my Felder FAT 300 lift table works great for supporting sheet goods. BTW I posted the wrong chair picture, here is the correct one with blue casters. My wife just shakes her head laughing at me and my color coordination ?
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Re: Power feeder problem
#shapersetup
#rookiemistake
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHi David, Good point to bring up. I have a fancy cover comprised of two shops bags, LOL! I put one from each end of the Vario4. They overlap in the middle and the handles go around a wheel or some other feature to keep them in place. Turning it on will for sure create a mess. So I always unplug when in stow mode and wrap the cord around the bags to further secure them. I have not covered it since I put new wheels on earlier this year because it stays up now as my KF is only used as a shaper. I wonder if I need to cover the wheels to protect from UV ? Imran On Jul 30, 2021, at 5:00 AM, david.r.milson@... wrote:
?I noticed Imran taking care of his PF in another post by wrapping a dust cover around it:? (#109875?) His pic with what looks like the PF in the top RH corner wrapped in some sort of shroud prompted me to relate a problem I created on my PF.? Typically my PF is in its dropped down position (below the KF700S table?and therefore the rubber tires/tyres face up).? Not using the PF much, when I went to use it a few months ago, the old curtain I had thrown over it (to protect the tires from debris falling on them etc) was VERY tightly wrapped around one of the tires!? It took some effort to unwrap / cut the curtain away.? Found the grunt of the PF had enabled the weakest link to identify itself and eventually shattered one of the cast sprockets driving one of the wheels.? The new part arrived a couple of months later and after a lot of time, swearing (mostly at myself for being so careless) and head scratching I got it all back together and it is working again.? Note to self (and warning to others) remember to turn off the power feeder off if you are going to leave it plugged into the machine.? (The way it is wired the PF only works if the spindle is spinning and the switch on the PF is in position 1 or 2) So it isn't necessarily obvious when dropping the PF below the table it is still switched to one of the on positions. Hopefully, that won't happen again! FWIW, the process to get the new sprocket back on on required 1 Inserting spacers into the tension spring so I could disconnect the screws holding the spring in place. 2 removing the housing and two of the 3 bearings from the drive shaft 3 then inserting the new sprocket into the chain and aligning its key onto the shaft and gently tapping everything back into place (a piece of timber between the mallet and the sprocket etc) 4 remembering to return the circlips 5 screwing spring back and removing spacers 6 fitting cover plate? 7 moving the wheel shafts back and forth in order to manipulate the caps back into the cover plate which align the outermost bearings? 8 return screws around cover plate 9 return wheels to their shafts Cheers David |
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Re: Would you buy a combo Shaper/Saw?
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýNice chair; had to look it up. Wonder if it can do double duty as a crazy horse ? just for supporting the sheet. Just drape the back rest with some of the stick mat used for routing. Perhaps too nice a chair for that. Imran? On Jul 30, 2021, at 4:22 AM, JP Rice via groups.io <jprphotos@...> wrote:
? Imran, the caster thing is the base of my new Vyper chair whichI got yesterday and have to finish putting it together.? <931C73F8-EFF4-4157-9795-130844740AB9.jpeg>
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Power feeder problem
#shapersetup
#rookiemistake
I noticed Imran taking care of his PF in another post by wrapping a dust cover around it:? (#109875?)
His pic with what looks like the PF in the top RH corner wrapped in some sort of shroud prompted me to relate a problem I created on my PF.? Typically my PF is in its dropped down position (below the KF700S table?and therefore the rubber tires/tyres face up).? Not using the PF much, when I went to use it a few months ago, the old curtain I had thrown over it (to protect the tires from debris falling on them etc) was VERY tightly wrapped around one of the tires!? It took some effort to unwrap / cut the curtain away.? Found the grunt of the PF had enabled the weakest link to identify itself and eventually shattered one of the cast sprockets driving one of the wheels.? The new part arrived a couple of months later and after a lot of time, swearing (mostly at myself for being so careless) and head scratching I got it all back together and it is working again.? Note to self (and warning to others) remember to turn off the power feeder off if you are going to leave it plugged into the machine.? (The way it is wired the PF only works if the spindle is spinning and the switch on the PF is in position 1 or 2) So it isn't necessarily obvious when dropping the PF below the table it is still switched to one of the on positions. Hopefully, that won't happen again! FWIW, the process to get the new sprocket back on on required 1 Inserting spacers into the tension spring so I could disconnect the screws holding the spring in place. 2 removing the housing and two of the 3 bearings from the drive shaft 3 then inserting the new sprocket into the chain and aligning its key onto the shaft and gently tapping everything back into place (a piece of timber between the mallet and the sprocket etc) 4 remembering to return the circlips 5 screwing spring back and removing spacers 6 fitting cover plate? 7 moving the wheel shafts back and forth in order to manipulate the caps back into the cover plate which align the outermost bearings? 8 return screws around cover plate 9 return wheels to their shafts Cheers David |
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Re: X Roll Support Tables
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýBrandon,Thanks for the clarification. ?I couldn¡¯t tell from your original post if you were seriously considering NOT getting an outrigger table. You may be imagining a need that isn¡¯t well satisfied with any of the extension table options. ? The primary limitation of all of the options is the amount of weight and lever force that can be sustained by an extension table this is simply hung on the P-channel side of the sliding table. ?There¡¯s not a lot to grip there, and for sure, the top of the P-channel is machined specifically to register the outrigger table consistently when taken off and put back on. ? The ¡°claw¡± of the Felder 1 meter extension table is pretty nasty can can actually damage the P-channel if you¡¯re not careful putting it on and taking it off. ?My worry when you bring up support for material is the weight. ?The longer the table, the more leverage it exerts on the edge of the slider. ?Hanging a 10 foot long oak 4x4 on that 1 meter extension table would be really pushing the limit - this is the reason Felder no longer sells that table as a general purpose extension table - it¡¯s intended use is for panel processing, not supporting long heavy timbers for crosscut operations. ?In practice, I find if far easier to just put on the outrigger to support long timber crosscuts rather than fuss around with a separate extension table and the short crosscut fence. ? If you are working with material that is 4-5 feet long, you might not need a support table at all if you have a decent clamping setup - like the ones Mac sells. If you¡¯re looking for something that stays on the machine 90-percent of the time, then don¡¯t eliminate the EGL from consideration. ?The telescoping extensions on the EGL provide support for material hanging off the edge of the sliding table even if you¡¯re NOT using the flip stops ?The DGL does not have these built in stock support tabs:  I bring this up with some reservations. ?It¡¯s a terrific crosscut fence and highly accurate if set up correctly during commissioning. ?But it is heavy (about 60 pounds), and awkward to manhandle on and off the machine, and will need it¡¯s own storage rack. ?It¡¯s also not idea for supporting 10-foot long railroad ties. ?If long heavy timbers are your mainstay, and you don¡¯t want to fuss with the outrigger table, then a SCMS is probably a better option or accompaniment to your sliding table saw. Lots of people have come up with ways of adapting a conventional cabinet saw miter guide to the sliding table by making some kind of T-slot adapter that recreates a ? x ?¡± slot for the miter bar. ?Here is what I turn to often for the odd crosscut or mitered cut when I don¡¯t want to use the outrigger table (my shop is also space constrained). ?? David Best https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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Re: Would you buy a combo Shaper/Saw?
¿ªÔÆÌåÓý???????Hi JP, That is a beautiful saw and looks at home in the nicely done shop. Congratulations and wish you many many years of happy woodworking. BTW, what is the round dolly like thing with casters in the last pic? Looks like color matches with Format4.? Imran? On Jul 29, 2021, at 10:50 PM, JP Rice via groups.io <jprphotos@...> wrote:
?Imran, here is a mini reveal, waiting for Felder tech to commission the saw next Tuesday.? <C4D451BF-4796-4E37-944C-121CF1662B86.jpeg> <79DD0D59-6891-4877-9D7F-3E5BEFB7D1A8.jpeg> <5001D2FD-CBB2-4254-99C6-3D26079FA147.jpeg>
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Re: X Roll Support Tables
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýObviously, the photos were stripped out by the forum software. ?Not sure why. ?Here are the important ones - if they come through this time.?do NOT recommend using the outrigger mobility cart with the digital crosscut fence still attached to the outrigger table - it¡¯s top heavy and unwieldy. ? Instead, remove the crosscut fence first and store it on shop-made brackets on the wall, then remove the outrigger table to the mobility cart. At one time, Felder sold the 1 meter extension table that is part of their parallel fence kit separately, but ultimately removed it from the offering to discourage use as a support table for heavy loads. ?Look at how the 1 meter table attaches to the edge of the sliding table and you¡¯ll quickly realize that a heavy load at the end of that extension table is likely to damage the sliding table P-channel. This photo illustrates the relative lengths of (front to back) the Lamb Toolworks parallel fence table, the Felder 500mm Extension table, and the Felder 1meter Parallel Fence table. David Best https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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Re: X Roll Support Tables
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýThe idea of a long sliding table saw without an outrigger and long crosscut fence (if that¡¯s what you are suggesting) makes little sense to me. ?You¡¯d be creating an orphan that would be impossible to sell if you wanted to, and it sorta begs the question ¡°do you really need (or understand) the utility of a sliding table saw?¡± I assume by "Liz at Felder suggested I might consider the rip fence for $581¡± you¡¯re talking about the 1 meter support table for the Felder parallel fence - not the rip fence (which comes standard on the machine). ? And the DRO fence is not 10¡¯ long - your sliding table may be 10 feet long, but the digital crosscut fence is 74¡± long unless you buy one with a telescoping extension. ?The telescoping extension will all 9 inches to the total length when it is fully collapsed into the main fence extrusion. The digital crosscut fence with one digital stop attached and no telescoping extension weighs 35 pounds. ? The telescoping extension will add another 19 pounds to the total weight of the digital crosscut fence and 9¡± to its length. The 1500 outrigger table itself, without the crosscut fence attached to it, weighs 86 pounds and is roughly 45 x 24 x 12 inches. ?With the digital crosscut fence and stops on the 1500 outrigger, the total weight is over 140 pounds. I routinely remove the 1500 outrigger table from my Kappa 400 using the mobility cart. ?I wouldn¡¯t consider doing so unless I had the Felder mobility cart - it¡¯s just too big and heavy. I do NOT recommend using the outrigger mobility cart with the digital crosscut fence still attached to the outrigger table - it¡¯s top heavy and unwieldy. ? Instead, remove the crosscut fence first and store it on shop-made brackets on the wall, then remove the outrigger table to the mobility cart. At one time, Felder sold the 1 meter extension table that is part of their parallel fence kit separately, but ultimately removed it from the offering to discourage use as a support table for heavy loads. ?Look at how the 1 meter table attaches to the edge of the sliding table and you¡¯ll quickly realize that a heavy load at the end of that extension table is likely to damage the sliding table P-channel. This photo illustrates the relative lengths of (front to back) the Lamb Toolworks parallel fence table, the Felder 500mm Extension table, and the Felder 1meter Parallel Fence table. You will find a lot more photos and descriptions with the photos at the following links: 1500 outrigger and mobility cart: ?? ? Digital Crosscut fence and Stops: ? Parallel Fence and Extension Tables: And if you have any doubt about dimension of your machine, you can ask Felder to supply you with a dimensioned drawing in PDF form - what¡¯s attached is for the K940 saw, but the F700 will be very close to these dimensions. ? From that you can do your own space planning similar to this drawing (Kappa 400): David Best
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Re: X Roll Support Tables
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýBrandon, You may find this post useful BTW, Brian has mentioned in the sane thread that he does not recommend removing the stop and use the base as a table but he does sell the base alone for material support. Imran On Jul 29, 2021, at 5:34 PM, Brandon Nickel <brandon.nickel@...> wrote:
?I'm bringing back another old thread. I put in an order yesterday but I'm having second thoughts. Maybe you guys can give me some advice. The machine I just bought has the 1500 outrigger and the 10' DRO crosscut fence. Yeah, that's super cool, but it's also enormous and I have to park a car next to it on a regular basis. So, unless I am slicing up sheet goods, most of the time the outrigger and fence will be on the wall. I'm planning to order the 1100mm cross cut fence for general every day usage, acknowledging that the precision is compromised unless I get the connections upgraded. Under that fence I need some support. Last night's order included the 430-104 short table. But today Liz at Felder suggested I might consider the rip fence for $581. Thanks to Brian for the great comparison picture. I would love to hear from anyone that uses either table with the short crosscut fence and has some feedback. Getting the longer one also gets me the parallel stop. This is my first slider, so I can understand ripping on the left side, but I don't really see how it's any better than the right side. Any thoughts are appreciated. You guys already saved me $500 by switching fron the Felder diamond blade to the Tenryu. -Brandon |
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Re: X Roll Support Tables
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýWhen I first got my Felder in 2010 I was in a 3 car garage.? I bought the 1500 outrigger and a cart assuming I would mostly have the outrigger off the saw.? Turn out I rarely removed it for the following reasons:
? I do use a large 14¡± Dewalt RAS with a DRO as a 90 degree cutoff station and I have over 10 ft to the left of the blade so only use the slider to cut parts wider than I can on the Dewalt ? I¡¯m almost 60 but still pretty strong and that outrigger is heavy. Doubt I would hang it from the wall much by myself ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of Brandon Nickel
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2021 2:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FOG] X Roll Support Tables ? I'm bringing back another old thread. I put in an order yesterday but I'm having second thoughts. Maybe you guys can give me some advice. |
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