Re: Maffel double miter fence
I attempted an f-rail mount with the Festool fence that I had that was similar before I bought an EGL. ?That fence needed a fence that was the proper height over the slider when mounted on the f-rail. ?I used a piece from a Festool MFT that worked but then it needed a flip stop and I did not find a suitable one before I bought an EGL. ?
The intriguing thing about this fence is that it is a double miter and while it may not be as easy to set as the DGL/EGL with the giant scale it would give quite a lot of the functionality.
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Interesting...kind of a poor man's DGL although not cheap but it's certainly less than the Felder offerings. Dave Davies This looks like it could be interesting to adapt to the slider to substitute for the Felder short crosscut fence. ?
Joe
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Re: Maffel double miter fence
Bit of discussion on this subject:
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Imran
On Jan 7, 2021, at 11:59 AM, David Davies <myfinishingtouch@...> wrote:
I love how you say it would be straightforward to make the p-channel mount...Maybe if you're David Best it would be straightforward.? Give me a? year.
Dave Davies
Looks to me (in the videos) that it would be straight forward to make a P-channel mount for that fence along these lines - drop on, lock, unlock, lift off:
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The underside of the fence shown below.? Toss that attachment coupler and replace it with one like shown above. ? I wonder if it’s possible to source this fence in Europe at more reasonable price.
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Interesting...kind of a poor man's DGL although not cheap but it's certainly less than the Felder offerings.
Dave Davies
This looks like it could be interesting to adapt to the slider to substitute for the Felder short crosscut fence. ?
Joe
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Re: Maffel double miter fence
I love how you say it would be straightforward to make the p-channel mount...Maybe if you're David Best it would be straightforward.? Give me a? year. Dave Davies
Looks to me (in the videos) that it would be straight forward to make a P-channel mount for that fence along these lines - drop on, lock, unlock, lift off:
The underside of the fence shown below.? Toss that attachment coupler and replace it with one like shown above. ? I wonder if it’s possible to source this fence in Europe at more reasonable price.
Interesting...kind of a poor man's DGL although not cheap but it's certainly less than the Felder offerings. Dave Davies This looks like it could be interesting to adapt to the slider to substitute for the Felder short crosscut fence. ?
Joe
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Re: Maffel double miter fence
Looks to me (in the videos) that it would be straight forward to make a P-channel mount for that fence along these lines - drop on, lock, unlock, lift off:
The underside of the fence shown below. ?Toss that attachment coupler and replace it with one like shown above. ? I wonder if it’s possible to source this fence in Europe at more reasonable price.
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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Interesting...kind of a poor man's DGL although not cheap but it's certainly less than the Felder offerings. Dave Davies This looks like it could be interesting to adapt to the slider to substitute for the Felder short crosscut fence. ?
Joe
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Re: Maffel double miter fence
Interesting...kind of a poor man's DGL although not cheap but it's certainly less than the Felder offerings. Dave Davies
This looks like it could be interesting to adapt to the slider to substitute for the Felder short crosscut fence. ?
Joe
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Re: Hardwood glue-up panel on top on cabinet - wood movement
Thanks this is what I planed,
Bill
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Re: Hardwood glue-up panel on top on cabinet - wood movement
Bill,
i recommend understanding wood by bruce hoadley. Paul is stating the fact that wood moves across the grain and not along the grain. That is why i said earlier that assuming you will orient the grain left to right on the top there is no issue with movement on the sides. top panel will move front to back across the grain. therefore std. practice is to secure one side and allow the opposite to float.
Imran
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On Jan 7, 2021, at 11:07 AM, Bill James via groups.io <xxrb2010@...> wrote: ?On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 08:40 AM, Paul Mc Cann wrote:
orient the grain
I am still new to this, the last couple of times I plan/joint a board I forgot to look at the grain direction :( I was too much focus on my technics. The lumber I plan to use will the same I use for my face frame: soft maple, flat sawn I guess. I am not sure what kind of orientation you are talking about. I glue/join the boards by the rip cut side as I always do. Should I care about how the grain is oriented on the cross cut side? Like one up, on down, one up, one down? I read some articles about it, but there was no consensus as if that matters or not. Happy to learn more. Bill
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Maffel double miter fence
This looks like it could be interesting to adapt to the slider to substitute for the Felder short crosscut fence. ?
Joe
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Re: Hardwood glue-up panel on top on cabinet - wood movement
On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 08:40 AM, Paul Mc Cann wrote:
orient the grain
I am still new to this, the last couple of times I plan/joint a board I forgot to look at the grain direction :( I was too much focus on my technics. The lumber I plan to use will the same I use for my face frame: soft maple, flat sawn I guess. I am not sure what kind of orientation you are talking about. I glue/join the boards by the rip cut side as I always do. Should I care about how the grain is oriented on the cross cut side? Like one up, on down, one up, one down? I read some articles about it, but there was no consensus as if that matters or not. Happy to learn more. Bill
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Re: Hardwood glue-up panel on top on cabinet - wood movement
Nope, wasn’t aware that you couldn’t post, glad you are back! Did you figure out why?
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On Jan 7, 2021, at 7:42 AM, Paul Mc Cann < tpmccann@...> wrote:
Brian, off thread but I seem to have acquired the ability to communicate again. Are you sure I hadn't upset you :-)
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Re: Hardwood glue-up panel on top on cabinet - wood movement
Brian, off thread but I seem to have acquired the ability to communicate again. Are you sure I hadn't upset you :-)
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Re: Hardwood glue-up panel on top on cabinet - wood movement
Be careful how you orient the grain. If you restrict movement across the grain the top may buckle
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Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
David,
Thanks for the details. My KF700 is from 2002. So just to add perspective on lube in nearly 20 yrs I have cleaned and lubed following twice:
- worm screw for angle change
- the casting surfaces on front and rear where the mechanism slides during angle change
- dovetails for shaper elevation
Obviously in commercial use it would be more often and perhaps i should have done it more often but everything works just like when it was new. I do not envision more than annual maintenance in hobby use.
Point being it is not a big job that would take a lot of time. I know you are not saying that but I thought it would help a new owner to be aware of what this maintenance entails.
Imran?
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On Jan 7, 2021, at 1:34 AM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote: ? Guys, I was all over this with Carl Knapp at Felder to help Mike evaluate the machine. ?The build date is April 2006, and you can tell the trunion configuration by looking at the scoring saw elevation adjustments are in the throat plate. ? As I posted earlier, t his particular KF700 has a double trunion - not the single trunion from the pre-2004 era Brian is talking about. ?What it does not have is the new EasyGlide (Delrin) runners in the trunion, so it requires lube and more maintenance.
On Jan 6, 2021, at 5:00 PM, Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote:
I don’t think so, it was a single trunnion machine.
According to someone the saw in this sale had double turnip. It has xroll ad can be seen in pics.
Imran On Jan 6, 2021, at 6:24 PM, bacchus6015 via < joeinno@...> wrote: ? Brian,
I agree, the double trunnion and X-roll are definitely better.
Joe On Jan 6, 2021, at 3:20 PM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? It’s not a strength thing, it’s an adjustment thing. If the trunnion is out of adjustment, it’s a pretty complicated process to get it right. Felder themselves went to the double trunnion because the single trunnion was more of a maintenance issue and not easy adjusted in the field without tricky jigs or hit and miss type efforts.
The older machines have some short comings, first, if they are as old as mine, you don’t have the X-roll slider, which was a pretty significant upgrade in these machines. Next major design change was the double trunnion. That’s not to say a single trunnion machine can’t be used, but if I had my choices, any new purchase for me would have to have the X-roll and double trunnion, those two things are going to make for longevity and accuracy compared to those machines without.
It’s up to the user/purchaser’s level of competence in doing complicated setting up of the machine as to wether they feel comfortable delving into the single trunnion machine design.
On Jan 6, 2021, at 2:04 PM, bacchus6015 via < joeinno@...> wrote:
Brian,
I know that but I was wondering what Mike thought.
I ran 40 pound cutters on the year 2000 F700z I had with single trunnion and it worked. ?Hansjorg Felder told me the single trunnion was strong enough when I toured the Felder factory. ?
That said I would not recommend running 40 pound cutters for production but a hobby user running 6 or even 8” cutters on a single trunnion will be fine.
I think price is the limiting factor for this lot but I would not worry about the trunnions.?
Joe
On Jan 6, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote:
The older machines have a single trunnion affair and it supports the whole spindle and motor system on one end of the assembly. This brings into account an adjustment nightmare dealing with “angle of the dangle” as well as toe-in and toe-out in the other direction. Failure to get the angle correct creates all sorts of issues when tilting the saw/shaper aggregate.
All that said, my old machine is of this design and once set, it’s pretty stable. If I was looking for a machine though, it would be the double trunnion machine… more easily adjusted and has better longevity of settings, and with the polymer materials used in the trunnion the smoothness and easiness of tilting is considerably better. On Jan 6, 2021, at 12:40 PM, bacchus6015 via ??< joeinno@...> wrote:
Mike,
What are the Trunion issues?
Joe
For a lot of reasons and assistance from some amazing people on FOG, I have backed out of this deal. ?The accessories and tooling are great, but the high price, age and trunnion issues make this offering good from afar, but far from good. ?Unfortunately, the seller will not part out the tooling and/or accessories and prefers to sell as a package deal. ?
Back on the search and contemplating buying new.
Thanks to everyone for their thoughts!
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David, here are some more pictures. Sorry for the delay.. The sled attaches to the T-slot with two screws. One goes into the same T-nut I use for the crosscut fence, the other goes into a seperate T-nut (bought from Felder). The two aluminum brackets are for locating the sled at the exact same spot every time. By using aluminum extrusions for the base I have unlimited posibilities to attach jigs.   
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Re: Felder High Speed Router Spindle 424-111
Bill, I have a router table and I recently bought the high speed spindle for my KF700. I have a really small work shop. Initially I put my router table out for sale. When I got a buyer on it I got cold feet. I told the buyer it was not for sale anymore. I have put too many building hours into that table, I didn't have heart to sell it. It's now stashed away due to lack of space, but I do miss two features from it. Both of which I will probably implement on the KF700:
1. Incra fence
2. Incra magna lock
My router table is home built with a Festool OF 2200 permanently mounted. I have never had any viration issues or lack of power. But the KF700 is really smooht, even at the lower speed (15k).
If I would have space for it I would definitely use the router table. The setup time is faster for small jobs.
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Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
Guys, I was all over this with Carl Knapp at Felder to help Mike evaluate the machine. ?The build date is April 2006, and you can tell the trunion configuration by looking at the scoring saw elevation adjustments are in the throat plate. ? As I posted earlier, t his particular KF700 has a double trunion - not the single trunion from the pre-2004 era Brian is talking about. ?What it does not have is the new EasyGlide (Delrin) runners in the trunion, so it requires lube and more maintenance.
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On Jan 6, 2021, at 5:00 PM, Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote:
I don’t think so, it was a single trunnion machine.
According to someone the saw in this sale had double turnip. It has xroll ad can be seen in pics.
Imran On Jan 6, 2021, at 6:24 PM, bacchus6015 via < joeinno@...> wrote: ? Brian,
I agree, the double trunnion and X-roll are definitely better.
Joe On Jan 6, 2021, at 3:20 PM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? It’s not a strength thing, it’s an adjustment thing. If the trunnion is out of adjustment, it’s a pretty complicated process to get it right. Felder themselves went to the double trunnion because the single trunnion was more of a maintenance issue and not easy adjusted in the field without tricky jigs or hit and miss type efforts.
The older machines have some short comings, first, if they are as old as mine, you don’t have the X-roll slider, which was a pretty significant upgrade in these machines. Next major design change was the double trunnion. That’s not to say a single trunnion machine can’t be used, but if I had my choices, any new purchase for me would have to have the X-roll and double trunnion, those two things are going to make for longevity and accuracy compared to those machines without.
It’s up to the user/purchaser’s level of competence in doing complicated setting up of the machine as to wether they feel comfortable delving into the single trunnion machine design.
On Jan 6, 2021, at 2:04 PM, bacchus6015 via < joeinno@...> wrote:
Brian,
I know that but I was wondering what Mike thought.
I ran 40 pound cutters on the year 2000 F700z I had with single trunnion and it worked. ?Hansjorg Felder told me the single trunnion was strong enough when I toured the Felder factory. ?
That said I would not recommend running 40 pound cutters for production but a hobby user running 6 or even 8” cutters on a single trunnion will be fine.
I think price is the limiting factor for this lot but I would not worry about the trunnions.?
Joe
On Jan 6, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote:
The older machines have a single trunnion affair and it supports the whole spindle and motor system on one end of the assembly. This brings into account an adjustment nightmare dealing with “angle of the dangle” as well as toe-in and toe-out in the other direction. Failure to get the angle correct creates all sorts of issues when tilting the saw/shaper aggregate.
All that said, my old machine is of this design and once set, it’s pretty stable. If I was looking for a machine though, it would be the double trunnion machine… more easily adjusted and has better longevity of settings, and with the polymer materials used in the trunnion the smoothness and easiness of tilting is considerably better. On Jan 6, 2021, at 12:40 PM, bacchus6015 via ??< joeinno@...> wrote:
Mike,
What are the Trunion issues?
Joe
For a lot of reasons and assistance from some amazing people on FOG, I have backed out of this deal. ?The accessories and tooling are great, but the high price, age and trunnion issues make this offering good from afar, but far from good. ?Unfortunately, the seller will not part out the tooling and/or accessories and prefers to sell as a package deal. ?
Back on the search and contemplating buying new.
Thanks to everyone for their thoughts!
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Re: Mantle Build Question
Mark,
I totally agree. I thought that the weak point of simple mounting block are exactly what you mention. The movement of wood (in the mounting block) under lateral load from screw or the screw itself bending. I thought use of hardwood mounting block, a super tight fit and screws appropriate in shank size would overcome that. Never disagreed that french cleat is not superior.
I would be interested in knowing if Joe Jensen figured out the reason of the sag and whether it could be remedied. His decision to go with french cleat may be because he did not think so but still bd good to know.
Imran
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On Jan 6, 2021, at 9:17 PM, mark thomas <murkyd@...> wrote: ?On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 02:54 PM, imranindiana wrote:
The simplicity of a mounting block is still attractive. I do not see why it would sag.
When a french cleat is loaded downward, there's a wedging force that pulls it tighter to the wall.? ? When a square block is loaded, the downward load creates a "racking" (rotational) force as David B noted. This drawing illustrates. <Screen Shot 2021-01-06 at 5.52.35 PM.png>
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I did a google search and found this?
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Re: Mantle Build Question
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 02:54 PM, imranindiana wrote:
The simplicity of a mounting block is still attractive. I do not see why it would sag.
When a french cleat is loaded downward, there's a wedging force that pulls it tighter to the wall.? ? When a square block is loaded, the downward load creates a "racking" (rotational) force as David B noted. This drawing illustrates. 
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Re: Kappa 400 Below Table Dust Extraction + Kappa 400 Review
All I was saying is that if I new in the beginning that I would end up spending the amount of dollars I ended up spending I would have been looking at Martin and/or Altendorf, I originally only planned on spending 10k
I only ended up in Felder world due to replacing a J/P, I wanted the SCM version but it was 3 phase only an I didn’t have that and somehow found my way to the AD941. I hadn’t even planned on a saw until this year but because of some issues with the AD941 I got a “deal” on the K700s, anyways the K940s is a really nice build for the money it’s actually what I was expecting the k700s to be.
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On Jan 6, 2021, at 2:13 PM, Bill James via groups.io <xxrb2010@...> wrote:
?Mark,
Can you give us more colors about your reasoning of virtually going T60 instead of K940, or even T60 instead of Kappa 400 (basic no X motion). Price wise, as far as I know, a T60 with DRO is more comparable to a Kappa 400 basic.
Thanks,
Bill
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