?Very good point. I learn something new every day! The upshot is you can always add it later if your workflow would benefit. The extension on the other hand looks to be factory only. I briefly looked inside my fence and couldn¡¯t find a magnetic strip.
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I would definitely skip the right hand digital stop.?
There is an advantage in my workflow to having a second digital stop on the main part of the fence. ? I routinely set up to cut parts that are all x by y dimension and having a second stop means I can set up both stops and leave them in position. ? Just another thing to think through and it all depends on your workflow.
David Best
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Does it do any harm leaving the slider fully extended for say a few days at at time? Would it droop under its own weight to a point that it would affect normal usage afterwards?
Stephen
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Exactly Glen. ? Here¡¯s what my shop looks like when I¡¯m in build it mode:?
David Best
My?guess is for people that are tight on space, In my case I don't expect to need to remove it as I have plenty of space however I might see the need to take it off if im going to do a lot of straight line ripping or general ripping because I might see that the outrigger could be awkward to walk around. but then I don't really know as I haven't used my machine yet. I will know soon.
Glen
-----Original Message----- From: patrick walsh ?pwalsh651@...?[ felder-woodworking] < felder-woodworking@yahoogroups.com> To: felder-woodworking < felder-woodworking@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, Jan 11, 2018 6:07 pm Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] KF 700 SP options ?Not my thread but may I ask why one would want to remove the outrigger table and fennec on a slider.
I don¡¯t have as much experience ona slider as manynhere so maybe Im missing something.?
I have been using a older Altendorf f45 now for the last 8 months at work ona daily basis and I just can¡¯t see why one would ever want to remove it?
I ask because I have a small basement shop much like David¡¯s and a slider will be making its way in over the next year so this conversation is very interesting to me..
Thank you and congrats on the new purchase. Very exciting for all us machinery nerds... On Thursday, January 11, 2018, Bellsouth ?dohertyj@bellsouth.net?[felder-woodworking] < felder-woodworking@yahoogroups.com> wrote: ?David,
Did you read Lucky¡¯s post about his feeder starting and stopping with the spindle?
Joe in New Orleans
This is confusing to me. ? How do you get the Comatic feeder to automatically start running when power is applied to it? ? If I start my Comatic feeder, unplug it, then plug it back in, it powers back up on the OFF mode and I have to press the start switch on the feeder again to get it running - which is the way it should be for safety purposes.. ? So I seriously doubt John¡¯s feeder starts running by itself when the shaper spindle switch is depressed.
Having the power to the PF unavailable if the shaper motor is not running would drive me nuts - setting up the feeder to track accurately is trial and error and I usually test the feeder tracking setup without the spindle turning until I¡¯m certain it¡¯s aligned properly. ??
David Best
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Gary,
That is interesting.
There must be options that can be set.
I think John Ferandin¡¯s Profile 45z has a time delay then starts the feeder after the spindle is started and then the feeder stops when the spindle stops.?
I never hooked my feeder to the shaper plug because I did not want to the feeder to start and stop this way.
Joe in New Orleans
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I would definitely skip the right hand digital stop.?
There is an advantage in my workflow to having a second digital stop on the main part of the fence. ? I routinely set up to cut parts that are all x by y dimension and having a second stop means I can set up both stops and leave them in position. ? Just another thing to think through and it all depends on your workflow.
David Best
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Exactly Glen. ? Here¡¯s what my shop looks like when I¡¯m in build it mode:?
David Best
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My?guess is for people that are tight on space, In my case I don't expect to need to remove it as I have plenty of space however I might see the need to take it off if im going to do a lot of straight line ripping or general ripping because I might see that the outrigger could be awkward to walk around. but then I don't really know as I haven't used my machine yet. I will know soon.
Glen
-----Original Message----- From: patrick walsh ?pwalsh651@...?[felder-woodworking] < felder-woodworking@...> To: felder-woodworking < felder-woodworking@...> Sent: Thu, Jan 11, 2018 6:07 pm Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] KF 700 SP options ?Not my thread but may I ask why one would want to remove the outrigger table and fennec on a slider.
I don¡¯t have as much experience ona slider as manynhere so maybe Im missing something.?
I have been using a older Altendorf f45 now for the last 8 months at work ona daily basis and I just can¡¯t see why one would ever want to remove it?
I ask because I have a small basement shop much like David¡¯s and a slider will be making its way in over the next year so this conversation is very interesting to me..
Thank you and congrats on the new purchase. Very exciting for all us machinery nerds... On Thursday, January 11, 2018, Bellsouth ?dohertyj@...?[felder-woodworking] < felder-woodworking@...> wrote: ?David,
Did you read Lucky¡¯s post about his feeder starting and stopping with the spindle?
Joe in New Orleans
This is confusing to me. ? How do you get the Comatic feeder to automatically start running when power is applied to it? ? If I start my Comatic feeder, unplug it, then plug it back in, it powers back up on the OFF mode and I have to press the start switch on the feeder again to get it running - which is the way it should be for safety purposes.. ? So I seriously doubt John¡¯s feeder starts running by itself when the shaper spindle switch is depressed.
Having the power to the PF unavailable if the shaper motor is not running would drive me nuts - setting up the feeder to track accurately is trial and error and I usually test the feeder tracking setup without the spindle turning until I¡¯m certain it¡¯s aligned properly. ??
David Best
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Gary,
That is interesting.
There must be options that can be set.
I think John Ferandin¡¯s Profile 45z has a time delay then starts the feeder after the spindle is started and then the feeder stops when the spindle stops.?
I never hooked my feeder to the shaper plug because I did not want to the feeder to start and stop this way.
Joe in New Orleans
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Patrick, I remove the outrigger table when I need the additional circulation room in my shop. ? When building a kitchen for instance, after I cut the material, I¡¯ll remove the outrigger table so I have more room to actually construct and move around the cabinets during assembly. ? In my last shop in San Francisco, I had plenty of room (and a $2,000/month shop rent to go with it) and the outrigger stayed on the machine all the time.
David Best
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Not my thread but may I ask why one would want to remove the outrigger table and fennec on a slider.
I don¡¯t have as much experience ona slider as manynhere so maybe Im missing something.?
I have been using a older Altendorf f45 now for the last 8 months at work ona daily basis and I just can¡¯t see why one would ever want to remove it?
I ask because I have a small basement shop much like David¡¯s and a slider will be making its way in over the next year so this conversation is very interesting to me..
Thank you and congrats on the new purchase. Very exciting for all us machinery nerds... On Thursday, January 11, 2018, Bellsouth ?dohertyj@...?[felder-woodworking] < felder-woodworking@...> wrote: ?David,
Did you read Lucky¡¯s post about his feeder starting and stopping with the spindle?
Joe in New Orleans
This is confusing to me. ? How do you get the Comatic feeder to automatically start running when power is applied to it? ? If I start my Comatic feeder, unplug it, then plug it back in, it powers back up on the OFF mode and I have to press the start switch on the feeder again to get it running - which is the way it should be for safety purposes.. ? So I seriously doubt John¡¯s feeder starts running by itself when the shaper spindle switch is depressed.
Having the power to the PF unavailable if the shaper motor is not running would drive me nuts - setting up the feeder to track accurately is trial and error and I usually test the feeder tracking setup without the spindle turning until I¡¯m certain it¡¯s aligned properly. ??
David Best
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Gary,
That is interesting.
There must be options that can be set.
I think John Ferandin¡¯s Profile 45z has a time delay then starts the feeder after the spindle is started and then the feeder stops when the spindle stops.?
I never hooked my feeder to the shaper plug because I did not want to the feeder to start and stop this way.
Joe in New Orleans
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My guess is for people that are tight on space, In my case I don't expect to need to remove it as I have plenty of space however I might see the need to take it off if im going to do a lot of straight line ripping or general ripping because I might see that the outrigger could be awkward to walk around. but then I don't really know as I haven't used my machine yet. I will know soon.
Glen
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Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] KF 700 SP options
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Not my thread but may I ask why one would want to remove the outrigger table and fennec on a slider.
I don¡¯t have as much experience ona slider as manynhere so maybe Im missing something.?
I have been using a older Altendorf f45 now for the last 8 months at work ona daily basis and I just can¡¯t see why one would ever want to remove it?
I ask because I have a small basement shop much like David¡¯s and a slider will be making its way in over the next year so this conversation is very interesting to me..
Thank you and congrats on the new purchase. Very exciting for all us machinery nerds...
On Thursday, January 11, 2018, Bellsouth dohertyj@... [felder-woodworking] < felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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David,
Did you read Lucky¡¯s post about his feeder starting and stopping with the spindle?
Joe in New Orleans
This is confusing to me. ? How do you get the Comatic feeder to automatically start running when power is applied to it? ? If I start my Comatic feeder, unplug it, then plug it back in, it powers back up on the OFF mode and I have to press the start switch on the feeder again to get it running - which is the way it should be for safety purposes.. ? So I seriously doubt John¡¯s feeder starts running by itself when the shaper spindle switch is depressed.
Having the power to the PF unavailable if the shaper motor is not running would drive me nuts - setting up the feeder to track accurately is trial and error and I usually test the feeder tracking setup without the spindle turning until I¡¯m certain it¡¯s aligned properly. ??
David Best
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Gary,
That is interesting.
There must be options that can be set.
I think John Ferandin¡¯s Profile 45z has a time delay then starts the feeder after the spindle is started and then the feeder stops when the spindle stops.?
I never hooked my feeder to the shaper plug because I did not want to the feeder to start and stop this way.
Joe in New Orleans
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I did, and I don¡¯t believe it. ? His feeder may be tied into the main power switch on the Profil, but I don¡¯t see how the feeder can be configured to power on when the spindle motor is actuated. ? Maybe there¡¯s some hack to the Comatic feeder that allows it to start up in the RUN position, but I have my doubts.
David Best
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David,
Did you read Lucky¡¯s post about his feeder starting and stopping with the spindle?
Joe in New Orleans
This is confusing to me. ? How do you get the Comatic feeder to automatically start running when power is applied to it? ? If I start my Comatic feeder, unplug it, then plug it back in, it powers back up on the OFF mode and I have to press the start switch on the feeder again to get it running - which is the way it should be for safety purposes.. ? So I seriously doubt John¡¯s feeder starts running by itself when the shaper spindle switch is depressed.
Having the power to the PF unavailable if the shaper motor is not running would drive me nuts - setting up the feeder to track accurately is trial and error and I usually test the feeder tracking setup without the spindle turning until I¡¯m certain it¡¯s aligned properly. ??
David Best
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Gary,
That is interesting.
There must be options that can be set.
I think John Ferandin¡¯s Profile 45z has a time delay then starts the feeder after the spindle is started and then the feeder stops when the spindle stops.?
I never hooked my feeder to the shaper plug because I did not want to the feeder to start and stop this way.
Joe in New Orleans
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Given what David said about the dust extractor position for 49" clearance to the right of the blade, I might as well stay with the 49" rip capacity option.? One of the pluses of this machine is the ability? to process full-size sheet goods.??
You don¡¯t have to have a 49¡± rip fence to cut to the center of a 4x8 panel, but you do need to have the overhead support post at the 49¡± position (which is how my Kappa is configured). I looked at David's pictures.? David, you have the mitre indexing system.? Is that Option 170 or 173?? Do you find it useful and simple to use?? It looks complicated from the pictures and catalog.? I cannot tell if it can be used accurately.??
I have the ¡°Mitre index scale with length compensation¡± option?430-26041 on the quote. ?On the Felder web site for the KF700, it¡¯s referred to as option 173. ? I have a number of comments about this option. ? 1 - yes, it is accurate - both in angle settings and compensating for length. ? 2 - it is cumbersome to use with the digital crosscut fence because that fence is so heavy and awkward to reposition. ? That option makes more sense to me in conjunction with the simpler, lighter weight analog crosscut fence. ? The process of using the indexing system is as follows: ?unlock the lever that clamps the fence to the outrigger table, push the fence toward the blade to disengage it from the 90-degree index stop, move the fence to the desired angle as you also continue to push the fence toward the blade, once at the desired index stop, push the fence into the index detent, then re-lock the fence to the outrigger table. ?3 - only selected and commonly used angles index with length compensation - you can set any arbitrary angle of course, but length compensation will be wrong and you¡¯ll need some other method to know you¡¯re on the target angle. ?
Because of the cumbersome nature of this setup, Felder developed an option for the outrigger called the Outrigger X-Roll table - essentially putting the crosscut fence on it¡¯s own linear actuator which also includes a digital readout of the angle, and positioning can be fine adjusted with a rotating wheel. ?Lucky has this option and I wish it¡¯s what I ordered. ? To get length compensation with the X-Roll outrigger table, another option must be added that communicates between the digital crosscut stops and the DRO on the X-Roll linear actuator. ?But so far as I know, the outrigger X-Roll option is only available on the Kappa 400 series. ? You might ask if they¡¯ll do a special for you since there is absolutely no physical reason why the X-Roll outrigger couldn¡¯t be configured onto a 700 - it¡¯s just a marketing contrivance that it¡¯s not listed as available on the 700 so you¡¯ll up-sell to the Kappa.
The other indexing option available for the 700 is "Precision miter unit with pin locating system for outrigger table crosscut fence¡± or option 170 on the Felder web site is not worth having. ? I had it on my K975, and it¡¯s not accurate and just as difficult to use as option 173.
I don¡¯t do a lot of mitered cuts using the crosscut fence. ? So feel like I wasted the extra $1,000 they get for option 173. ? Your situation may be different. ? Additionally, I found the indexing peg that sticks down from the bottom of the crosscut fence to be an annoyance as it complicates position of the fence to an odd angle, so I removed the peg and thereby disabled the utility of the miter indexing system. ? Option 173 absolutely can not be added in the field - it¡¯s calibrated with custom jigs at the factory, so if you ever think you¡¯ll want it, order it with the machine. I recall reading that the KF 700 SP should be specified at time of order to configure it to be able to use a grooving/dado cutter without removal of the scoring blade.? Can someone elaborate on this?? This information is not in the catalog or at Felder website.??
This is news to me if you¡¯re talking about a Felder dado set. ? That set is 228mm diameter, and I know for a fact that you can have a 250mm saw blade along with the scoring saw blade mounted. ? The conflict with having to remove the scoring saw blade occurs when the saw blade is larger than 250mm but I don¡¯t know the current limit. ? I believe there is an undocumented option to allow 350mm saw blades on the machine without CE certification. ?I would love to learn more about this, so if you dig to the bottom of it, please post here.
Once again, thanks for your guidance.??
SW
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Not my thread but may I ask why one would want to remove the outrigger table and fennec on a slider.
I don¡¯t have as much experience ona slider as manynhere so maybe Im missing something.?
I have been using a older Altendorf f45 now for the last 8 months at work ona daily basis and I just can¡¯t see why one would ever want to remove it?
I ask because I have a small basement shop much like David¡¯s and a slider will be making its way in over the next year so this conversation is very interesting to me..
Thank you and congrats on the new purchase. Very exciting for all us machinery nerds...
On Thursday, January 11, 2018, Bellsouth dohertyj@... [felder-woodworking] < felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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David,
Did you read Lucky¡¯s post about his feeder starting and stopping with the spindle?
Joe in New Orleans
This is confusing to me. ? How do you get the Comatic feeder to automatically start running when power is applied to it? ? If I start my Comatic feeder, unplug it, then plug it back in, it powers back up on the OFF mode and I have to press the start switch on the feeder again to get it running - which is the way it should be for safety purposes.. ? So I seriously doubt John¡¯s feeder starts running by itself when the shaper spindle switch is depressed.
Having the power to the PF unavailable if the shaper motor is not running would drive me nuts - setting up the feeder to track accurately is trial and error and I usually test the feeder tracking setup without the spindle turning until I¡¯m certain it¡¯s aligned properly. ??
David Best
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Gary,
That is interesting.
There must be options that can be set.
I think John Ferandin¡¯s Profile 45z has a time delay then starts the feeder after the spindle is started and then the feeder stops when the spindle stops.?
I never hooked my feeder to the shaper plug because I did not want to the feeder to start and stop this way.
Joe in New Orleans
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Many of the members here gave the same advice when I bought my KF700s in December 2016. I followed 95% of it, and I wish I had followed more. Had this group not existed, I would have serious buyers remorse at this point. I can¡¯t thank them enough.?
I didn¡¯t order the telescoping digital fence, just the single left hand version. If you have the funds, don¡¯t expect to remove the fence often, and have the budget, then go for it. Only time will tell if I¡¯ll regret it.?
I would definitely skip the right hand digital stop. Once David releases the digital F&F setup, I can¡¯t see when you would prefer the Felder stop. The F&F can cut pieces less than an inch, and with better accuracy due to the forward and rear stops. Seems like a no brainer.?
Rangate tooling is very expensive, but you get what you pay for. They stock tooling in 1.25¡±, but can make cutters in 30mm (which is what I have). I would get the Felder 125mm rebate cutter to start. It¡¯s cheap and useful. Like you, I¡¯ve never used a shaper before. I¡¯m seriously considering taking the Alpine shaper course offered through Rangate later this year. I¡¯ll order additional tooling from them once I¡¯ve acquired some knowledge and hands on experience. Buying $10,000 in tooling up front, only to realize you need $2,000 worth to do 99% of your work is a bad investment. FYI, the Felder dado set can be used on the shaper. So you¡¯ll be starting with a limited depth adjustable ?groover/tenon cutter day 1.?
Felder does make a 3700mm slider, but it requires an additional leg. The general consensus was to skip that option unless you really need it.
Save some money for a pair of Mac¡¯s air clamps. Almost a required accessory.?
I¡¯m 99% sold on the Comatic DC70 feeder. It¡¯s a 7 wheel unit. That sounds crazy, but each wheel is 60mm vs 120mm on the 3-4 wheel models. They are also packed closer together. The overall length from the start of the first wheel to the end of the last is 17¡±, which is actually smaller that the 4 wheel. I¡¯ve been told it¡¯s also a hair lighter. I¡¯m working to set up a call with a gentleman who owns the 4 and 7 wheel versions. I¡¯ll pass on what I learn.?
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Thanks Joe, David, Lucky, Mark and Gary.? Your replies have been tremendously helpful and informative.
Given testimonies from David and Lucky, I will just order the standard digital stops with one of the two stops on the telescoping arm.? Adding it later is difficult it sounds; much easier to add the 604-118 digital stop in the future.??
I will ask Liz to change the spindle moulder size to 30mm.? From what I gather from exploring Rangate website, the money is in the tooling.? The machine cost pales in comparison.? A window tooling set costs 12K USD!!!? I have not used a shaper ever.? It is one of the few machines that I find intimidating and dangerous, yet so capable.? So, I am educating myself about shaper, Aigner, tooling, etc.??
I am waiting for Liz to quote me the cost to upgrade to the 10 HP motor.? Given the advise here, I will probably stay with the 7.4 HP motor and will have some overhead room for the PP 330.
Given what David said about the dust extractor position for 49" clearance to the right of the blade, I might as well stay with the 49" rip capacity option.? One of the pluses of this machine is the ability? to process full-size sheet goods.??
If anything I learn from the forum, it's the length of the slider.? Get the longest!? Fortunately, I have more than enough room for the 3200mm slider.??
I looked at David's pictures.? David, you have the mitre indexing system.? Is that Option 170 or 173?? Do you find it useful and simple to use?? It looks complicated from the pictures and catalog.? I cannot tell if it can be used accurately.??
I recall reading that the KF 700 SP should be specified at time of order to configure it to be able to use a grooving/dado cutter without removal of the scoring blade.? Can someone elaborate on this?? This information is not in the catalog or at Felder website.??
Once again, thanks for your guidance.??
SW
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David,
Did you read Lucky¡¯s post about his feeder starting and stopping with the spindle?
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This is confusing to me. ? How do you get the Comatic feeder to automatically start running when power is applied to it? ? If I start my Comatic feeder, unplug it, then plug it back in, it powers back up on the OFF mode and I have to press the start switch on the feeder again to get it running - which is the way it should be for safety purposes. ? So I seriously doubt John¡¯s feeder starts running by itself when the shaper spindle switch is depressed.
Having the power to the PF unavailable if the shaper motor is not running would drive me nuts - setting up the feeder to track accurately is trial and error and I usually test the feeder tracking setup without the spindle turning until I¡¯m certain it¡¯s aligned properly. ??
David Best
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Gary,
That is interesting.
There must be options that can be set.
I think John Ferandin¡¯s Profile 45z has a time delay then starts the feeder after the spindle is started and then the feeder stops when the spindle stops.?
I never hooked my feeder to the shaper plug because I did not want to the feeder to start and stop this way.
Joe in New Orleans
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SW,
If you are going to make windows with your KF700 and you are want to cut large tenons with cutters larger than 220mm you will run into some problems.
To run 300mm cutters on my F700z shaper I had to run them above the table and then run the parts to be tenoned on a spacer. ?Since the sleeves of my large window cutters are 100mm tall I only had about 10 mm of adjustment left in the system. ?One of the reasons I upgraded to a Profile 45z is that I can submerge the big 300mm cutters into the table as the opening in the table is larger than the 700 series shaper. ?I can also run up to 240mm cutters in the shaper hood. ?The F700z was limited to 220mm and the Aigner fence plates only opened to 190mm meaning I could not cut a tenon the full depth available from the Felder 220 mm rebate disks.?
You can avoid the large tenon cutters by using dowel construction but to do dowel construction efficiently you will need a machine like a Stegherr FD Junior.
There are window cutter sets for other types of windows (non-tilt and turn) that don¡¯t require large tenon disks, which set from rangate are you looking at?
Greg at Rangate is a very knowledgable guy and I highly recommend Rangate when it comes to shaper tooling. ?
You won¡¯t be sorry if you buy tooling from Greg. ?Great tooling makes things very easy. ?I don¡¯t even have to sand profiles with Rangate/Zuani/Garniga tooling.?
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Thanks Joe, David, Lucky, Mark and Gary.? Your replies have been tremendously helpful and informative.
Given testimonies from David and Lucky, I will just order the standard digital stops with one of the two stops on the telescoping arm.? Adding it later is difficult it sounds; much easier to add the 604-118 digital stop in the future.??
I will ask Liz to change the spindle moulder size to 30mm.? From what I gather from exploring Rangate website, the money is in the tooling.? The machine cost pales in comparison.? A window tooling set costs 12K USD!!!? I have not used a shaper ever.? It is one of the few machines that I find intimidating and dangerous, yet so capable.? So, I am educating myself about shaper, Aigner, tooling, etc.??
I am waiting for Liz to quote me the cost to upgrade to the 10 HP motor.? Given the advise here, I will probably stay with the 7.4 HP motor and will have some overhead room for the PP 330.
Given what David said about the dust extractor position for 49" clearance to the right of the blade, I might as well stay with the 49" rip capacity option.? One of the pluses of this machine is the ability? to process full-size sheet goods.??
If anything I learn from the forum, it's the length of the slider.? Get the longest!? Fortunately, I have more than enough room for the 3200mm slider.??
I looked at David's pictures.? David, you have the mitre indexing system.? Is that Option 170 or 173?? Do you find it useful and simple to use?? It looks complicated from the pictures and catalog.? I cannot tell if it can be used accurately.??
I recall reading that the KF 700 SP should be specified at time of order to configure it to be able to use! a grooving/dado cutter without removal of the scoring blade.? Can someone elaborate on this?? This information is not in the catalog or at Felder website.??
Once again, thanks for your guidance.??
SW
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This is confusing to me. ? How do you get the Comatic feeder to automatically start running when power is applied to it? ? If I start my Comatic feeder, unplug it, then plug it back in, it powers back up on the OFF mode and I have to press the start switch on the feeder again to get it running - which is the way it should be for safety purposes. ? So I seriously doubt John¡¯s feeder starts running by itself when the shaper spindle switch is depressed.
Having the power to the PF unavailable if the shaper motor is not running would drive me nuts - setting up the feeder to track accurately is trial and error and I usually test the feeder tracking setup without the spindle turning until I¡¯m certain it¡¯s aligned properly. ??
David Best
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Gary,
That is interesting.
There must be options that can be set.
I think John Ferandin¡¯s Profile 45z has a time delay then starts the feeder after the spindle is started and then the feeder stops when the spindle stops.?
I never hooked my feeder to the shaper plug because I did not want to the feeder to start and stop this way.
Joe in New Orleans
My DC40 Comatic does not automatically start with the Profil 45 shaper. ?It is 3 phase, plugged into the shaper, installed by Felder tech. Gary Gary Blasingame195 Red Fox Run Athens, Georgia 30605 706-353-8629 706-540-2130 (cell) ?Hi SW,
I run the Comatic DC40 smart feeder with single phase 120 volt. ?Since the DC40 converts AC power to DC it is possible to move some jumpers and run the feeder with single phase or three phase and with 120 volt or 240 volt.
I like to control the power feeder independently of the spindle power on or off. ?I would like to have it set up so the power feeder stops when the red power off button is pressed so that is something is going wrong the feeder stops with the spindle. ?But that is not possible when using 120 volt as the KF700 supplies whatever power it is running on. If you are running the power feeder from the plug on the KF700 then it will power on and off with the start stop buttons for the shaper or the saw. ?I don¡¯t like the power feeder running when I am hand feeding something. ?I suppose I could turn the feeder off with the feeder controls.
If you are considering the Comatic Smart Stand for your Comatic feeder I think it is too large to use on a KF700. ?A three wheeled feeder with standard stand and lift assist device is ideal for a KF700.
I think 7.5 HP is enough power. ?I have not found 7.5 HP to be a limitation on my Profile 45z shaper. ?
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Gary:
Mine is plugged into the Profil 45, and it does turn on and off with the shaper. I suspect that the Felder tech disabled it on your machine for some reason. Joe is right that there is a timer. John Ferandin has photographed his for reference. John?¡John? Has that gorgeous blue/green Hawaiian water addled your FOG posting abilities? :-)
Lucky
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Gary,
That is interesting.
There must be options that can be set.
I think John Ferandin¡¯s Profile 45z has a time delay then starts the feeder after the spindle is started and then the feeder stops when the spindle stops.?
I never hooked my feeder to the shaper plug because I did not want to the feeder to start and stop this way.
Joe in New Orleans
My DC40 Comatic does not automatically start with the Profil 45 shaper. ?It is 3 phase, plugged into the shaper, installed by Felder tech. Gary Gary Blasingame195 Red Fox Run Athens, Georgia 30605 706-353-8629 706-540-2130 (cell) ?Hi SW,
I run the Comatic DC40 smart feeder with single phase 120 volt. ?Since the DC40 converts AC power to DC it is possible to move some jumpers and run the feeder with single phase or three phase and with 120 volt or 240 volt.
I like to control the power feeder independently of the spindle power on or off. ?I would like to have it set up so the power feeder stops when the red power off button is pressed so that is something is going wrong the feeder stops with the spindle. ?But that is not possible when using 120 volt as the KF700 supplies whatever power it is running on. If you are running the power feeder from the plug on the KF700 then it will power on and off with the start stop buttons for the shaper or the saw. ?I don¡¯t like the power feeder running when I am hand feeding something. ?I suppose I could turn the feeder off with the feeder controls.
If you are considering the Comatic Smart Stand for your Comatic feeder I think it is too large to use on a KF700. ?A three wheeled feeder with standard stand and lift assist device is ideal for a KF700.
I think 7.5 HP is enough power. ?I have not found 7.5 HP to be a limitation on my Profile 45z shaper. ?
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Gary,
That is interesting.
There must be options that can be set.
I think John Ferandin¡¯s Profile 45z has a time delay then starts the feeder after the spindle is started and then the feeder stops when the spindle stops.?
I never hooked my feeder to the shaper plug because I did not want to the feeder to start and stop this way.
Joe in New Orleans
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My DC40 Comatic does not automatically start with the Profil 45 shaper. ?It is 3 phase, plugged into the shaper, installed by Felder tech. Gary Gary Blasingame195 Red Fox Run Athens, Georgia 30605 706-353-8629 706-540-2130 (cell) ?Hi SW,
I run the Comatic DC40 smart feeder with single phase 120 volt. ?Since the DC40 converts AC power to DC it is possible to move some jumpers and run the feeder with single phase or three phase and with 120 volt or 240 volt.
I like to control the power feeder independently of the spindle power on or off. ?I would like to have it set up so the power feeder stops when the red power off button is pressed so that is something is going wrong the feeder stops with the spindle. ?But that is not possible when using 120 volt as the KF700 supplies whatever power it is running on. If you are running the power feeder from the plug on the KF700 then it will power on and off with the start stop buttons for the shaper or the saw. ?I don¡¯t like the power feeder running when I am hand feeding something. ?I suppose I could turn the feeder off with the feeder controls.
If you are considering the Comatic Smart Stand for your Comatic feeder I think it is too large to use on a KF700. ?A three wheeled feeder with standard stand and lift assist device is ideal for a KF700.
I think 7.5 HP is enough power. ?I have not found 7.5 HP to be a limitation on my Profile 45z shaper. ?
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Thanks Joe, David, Lucky, Mark and Gary.? Your replies have been tremendously helpful and informative.
Given testimonies from David and Lucky, I will just order the standard digital stops with one of the two stops on the telescoping arm.? Adding it later is difficult it sounds; much easier to add the 604-118 digital stop in the future.??
I will ask Liz to change the spindle moulder size to 30mm.? From what I gather from exploring Rangate website, the money is in the tooling.? The machine cost pales in comparison.? A window tooling set costs 12K USD!!!? I have not used a shaper ever.? It is one of the few machines that I find intimidating and dangerous, yet so capable.? So, I am educating myself about shaper, Aigner, tooling, etc.??
I am waiting for Liz to quote me the cost to upgrade to the 10 HP motor.? Given the advise here, I will probably stay with the 7.4 HP motor and will have some overhead room for the PP 330.
Given what David said about the dust extractor position for 49" clearance to the right of the blade, I might as well stay with the 49" rip capacity option.? One of the pluses of this machine is the ability? to process full-size sheet goods.??
If anything I learn from the forum, it's the length of the slider.? Get the longest!? Fortunately, I have more than enough room for the 3200mm slider.??
I looked at David's pictures.? David, you have the mitre indexing system.? Is that Option 170 or 173?? Do you find it useful and simple to use?? It looks complicated from the pictures and catalog.? I cannot tell if it can be used accurately.??
I recall reading that the KF 700 SP should be specified at time of order to configure it to be able to use a grooving/dado cutter without removal of the scoring blade.? Can someone elaborate on this?? This information is not in the catalog or at Felder website.??
Once again, thanks for your guidance.??
SW
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My DC40 Comatic does not automatically start with the Profil 45 shaper. ?It is 3 phase, plugged into the shaper, installed by Felder tech. Gary Gary Blasingame195 Red Fox Run Athens, Georgia 30605 706-353-8629 706-540-2130 (cell)
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On Jan 11, 2018, at 2:29 PM, Bellsouth dohertyj@... [felder-woodworking] < felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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Hi SW,
I run the Comatic DC40 smart feeder with single phase 120 volt. ?Since the DC40 converts AC power to DC it is possible to move some jumpers and run the feeder with single phase or three phase and with 120 volt or 240 volt.
I like to control the power feeder independently of the spindle power on or off. ?I would like to have it set up so the power feeder stops when the red power off button is pressed so that is something is going wrong the feeder stops with the spindle. ?But that is not possible when using 120 volt as the KF700 supplies whatever power it is running on. If you are running the power feeder from the plug on the KF700 then it will power on and off with the start stop buttons for the shaper or the saw. ?I don¡¯t like the power feeder running when I am hand feeding something. ?I suppose I could turn the feeder off with the feeder controls.
If you are considering the Comatic Smart Stand for your Comatic feeder I think it is too large to use on a KF700. ?A three wheeled feeder with standard stand and lift assist device is ideal for a KF700.
I think 7.5 HP is enough power. ?I have not found 7.5 HP to be a limitation on my Profile 45z shaper. ?
Two years ago, I looked into purchasing a KF 700 SP, but held off.? I am glad I did.? We ended up moving, blah blah.? It looks like we are going to be at our current location for a while, so I am being reminded to get what I want.? Early BD present.? The directive from the wife is to have no regret after buying this thing.??
So, I reached out for Liz Rogers for a quote of a KF 700 SP with the following options:
Option 264S - 7.5 HP (5.5 kW) motor Option 25 - Electrical display setting, inch Option 139 - Remote "ON"-switch on sliding table for main blade and scoring unit Option 14 - 3-phase CEE coupling for additional equipment with time-delayed connection (essential for the use of a power feeder)
Option 201 - Electrical height and angle adjustment of the saw unit with LED display (#119),?K2 "Power-Drive"
Option 119 - Electrical height and angle adjustment of the spindle moulder with LED display?(#201)
Option 82 - Preparation for Dado tooling up to 19.5mm in width Option 75 - Electronic scoring unit, 3 7/8" (100mm) with main saw blade 11 3/4" (300mm) Option 77 - rip capacity 1250 mm Option 84 - Micro adjustable rip fence Option 86 - Digital display for rip fence with fine adjustment (#77) Option 176 - Inch scale for rip capacity 49" Option 105 - Moulder spindle diameter 1 1/4", usable height 115mm Option 135 - Dimension sliding table XL, cutting length 3200mm (126"), anodised** with edging?shoe
Option 161 - 1500 mm Outrigger table for 2500-3700 sliding tables Option 195 - Inch scale f! or crosscut fence 3200 Option 172 - Outrigger digital cut stop 3200 mm (126"), 2 digital fence stops, for outrigger?table 1500
Item 430-017 - Tilting device "F" with gas spring Transport and mounting unit for outrigger table
Overhead saw guard
Questions I have for the group: 1.? Should I upgrade to the 10 HP motor?? I have? no idea the cost to upgrade to this motor from 7.5 HP; waiting for Liz to tell me.? If the answer is "Yes," then will the Phase Perfect (PP) PT-330 able to power this motor + the motor for the scoring unit + the power feeder (?Co-Matic maybe)?? I read that PP under rate their phase converter.? I also remember Co-Matic feeder can be run 1 phase???
2.? Any recommendation on what else to add/subtract from the options list?? The group seems to lean toward the "cry once" philosophy base on my reading of old posts.??
3.? Do the imperial scale also has metric scale on it?? My Hammer K3 scales has both.
4.? Is it relatively easy to add a digital stop in the future?? If it is, then I will just order the standard option and buy the 604-118 digital stop in the future and add it to the right-end of the cross cut fence.??
5.? Any one has pictures of the overhead saw guard of a KF 700 SP?? Is it bolted to the floor like the Kappa saw's?? I can't find any picture of the current model year searching online; just the usual advertising pictures.??
There are a lot of box making in my future!? :)
Thank you all!
SW
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Lucky,
I wish my wife had said something nearly like that! Liz should have more time to help you as soon as she gets my machine out the door! My apologizes if her phone has been busy. :)
Now we just have to figure which freight company to use.... Could be an issue when you don't live near a major population center.
Now to buy the phase converter and new blades!
Good luck with your machine.
Mark
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Re: Aigner shaper accessories on Felder Combos
T&M?? I'm not familiar with that term.
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Dave, still prototyping the digital F&F, but if it comes out well, I know I¡¯ll be making at least 3 extra.? Lucky is paying for the engineering work on a T&M basis, so I¡¯m having a blast with this project. ? LOL
David Best
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David, ?? I'll take a picture of my thickness stop tonight for you.? I've yet to use it and didn't notice if it had an "analog" measurement system.? At most it would have been etchings in the aluminum but I don't recall even that.
?? I wish I could spend more time in the shop but our embroidery business has exploded lately.
?? Have you progressed on deciding if you're going to market the Fritz and Franz? Dave
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