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North State/Powermatic 16" Wide Belt Sander Mobility Kit

 

I have a North State 16" wide belt sander arriving next week and I want it to be mobile in my shop.? The sales guy I ordered from said that some guys on FOG had good recommendations on what to use to make it mobile.? I'm up for a good setup that gets it mobile but if I had a good option, I would ask that all of the wheels swivel.? Having all swivel means I don't have to think as far ahead when I need to move several machines.? Thanks.??
Re: mounting Aigner rails on cast iron machines

 

In my fs52es Aigner rail install we noted that the walls were not parallel or even plumb due to the need for a casting to come out of a cast cleanly. The taper was accounted for by some
m8 steel leveling washers from McMaster recommended by brian holcombe. We could only fit one with the hardware we had and I didn’t want the play on both sides of the wall so we used one on the inside. and the outside was reference. The slight sag was not an issue. Things work fine but one of my Aigner tables has some bow along the length I need to deal with or swap out with another used in a less critical function. I recommend the washers.
Re: contacting you to post Felder & other accessories items for sale

 

I just made up an album in the photos section showing most of the items for sale.
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It is under: ? Felder etc items for sale from john Ormsby
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Thanks
Re: Shaper Cutter Set Suggestions #shapertools #shop-pics

 

On 11 May 2025 19:24, "Brent via groups.io" <dovetailtimber@...> wrote:
Hi Marty, is that post private meaning others can't see it?? I'm still figuring out this forum interface.?

This list is nothing more than an email mailinglist that also has a web frontend.?

Sending messages through mail to it works just as easy as through the web interface.?

Kind regards,?

Jonathan?
Re: Shaper Cutter Set Suggestions #shapertools #shop-pics

 

Brent, it's to the entire group as far as I can tell.?


On Sun, May 11, 2025, 1:24 PM Brent via <dovetailtimber=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Marty, is that post private meaning others can't see it?? I'm still figuring out this forum interface.
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B
Re: Shaper Cutter Set Suggestions #shapertools #shop-pics

 

Hi Marty, is that post private meaning others can't see it?? I'm still figuring out this forum interface.
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B
Re: mounting Aigner rails on cast iron machines

 

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Eddie canola oil is an ?and bad choice. It’s sticky stinks online has a low flashpoint or a smoke point.?
Safflower on other hand has a smoke point of about 450f not sticky and no smell it is refined is pricey.
It works beautifully but is an oily mess.
I generally don’t take vise off to heavy and to much trouble .
I pay a mantanance person to clean up .
I use a guart oil can with a plunger to administer the oil.

Mac,,

martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure
7412 elmwood ave.
middleton, wi 53562-3106
608-332-2330?cell

Designing and building for 50 years


On May 10, 2025, at 10:23?PM, ebell3302 via groups.io <ebell7500@...> wrote:

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About lubricants for machining:

I haven’t use safflower oil but have used Canola Oil, which is from a hybrid Rapeseed plant and according to a university study I read has the best properties for finish and reduced tool wear of any of the vegetable oils. The properties for machining were great but it dries and gets gummy and is hard to clean from the machines, tooling and parts. It also becomes rancid and has a bad odor. Does safflower dry and get gummy on the tools?

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I have started to use BOELUBE paste and just brush it on my work. It doesn’t take much. It is nontoxic, has no odor and is easy to clean both the parts and the tools. When I take the vise off the milling machine table the cleanup takes two minutes. When I used the vegetable oil, it was a chore to get everything clean.

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Eddie Bell
Re: mounting Aigner rails on cast iron machines

 

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About lubricants for machining:

I haven’t use safflower oil but have used Canola Oil, which is from a hybrid Rapeseed plant and according to a university study I read has the best properties for finish and reduced tool wear of any of the vegetable oils. The properties for machining were great but it dries and gets gummy and is hard to clean from the machines, tooling and parts. It also becomes rancid and has a bad odor. Does safflower dry and get gummy on the tools?

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I have started to use BOELUBE paste and just brush it on my work. It doesn’t take much. It is nontoxic, has no odor and is easy to clean both the parts and the tools. When I take the vise off the milling machine table the cleanup takes two minutes. When I used the vegetable oil, it was a chore to get everything clean.

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Eddie Bell
Re: mounting Aigner rails on cast iron machines

 

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Felder sells a couple F coupling kits that work just fine and they can allow for taper draft on the edge of the table and they offer at least half a dozen different extension tables that are also independently adjustable so you can set them so they are flush with a table or a hair under.
Mac,,

martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure
7412 elmwood ave.
middleton, wi 53562-3106
608-332-2330?cell

Designing and building for 50 years


On May 10, 2025, at 9:06?PM, joelgelman via groups.io <joelgelman@...> wrote:

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I find it very unfortunate that with the Aigner, there is no adjustability. ?If that rail is just slightly too high, and an outfeed table is mounted, the wood will catch on the proud outfeed table. ?I remember once drilling larger diameter holes in a rail to give a little wiggle room for fine adjustment.
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On a subsequent mount, I checked, and double checked and triple checked the locations to drill the holes... and I also got lucky and it worked out well.
Re: mounting Aigner rails on cast iron machines

 

I find it very unfortunate that with the Aigner, there is no adjustability. ?If that rail is just slightly too high, and an outfeed table is mounted, the wood will catch on the proud outfeed table. ?I remember once drilling larger diameter holes in a rail to give a little wiggle room for fine adjustment.
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On a subsequent mount, I checked, and double checked and triple checked the locations to drill the holes... and I also got lucky and it worked out well.
Re: Shaper Cutter Set Suggestions #shapertools #shop-pics

 

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Brent knows tooling ?

What is your application? I would like to use mine more often but really have not found a reason.

Imran Malik
IAM Wood Creations

On May 10, 2025, at 7:26?PM, Marty Gildea via groups.io <madigabr@...> wrote:

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Thanks Imran but I think these are the "Euro Block Knives" that Brent referred to in a private post:? "The pin spacing is the same, but little euro block knives don't project far enough out from the body of the cutter to be usable in the 125x55 blocks.".? I trust he is correct since I decided on the Whitehill cutter block based on one of his videos.?
-Marty?
Re: contacting you to post Felder & other accessories items for sale

 
Edited

Buyers rating on John is 5 stars!
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John packed the stuff well, shipped it the day he said he would ani it was EXACTLY as described!
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Thanks John!
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PK
Re: Shaper Cutter Set Suggestions #shapertools #shop-pics

 

Thanks Imran but I think these are the "Euro Block Knives" that Brent referred to in a private post:? "The pin spacing is the same, but little euro block knives don't project far enough out from the body of the cutter to be usable in the 125x55 blocks.".? I trust he is correct since I decided on the Whitehill cutter block based on one of his videos.?
-Marty?
Re: Shaper Cutter Set Suggestions #shapertools #shop-pics

 

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Hi Marty,

Are you looking for one like this:


I got a pair from the above site because I was in a hurry and ordered limiters from Felder. I was able to use these with limiters from the rebate set for the job. I have Felder safety cutterhead which is 100 mm dia. I am told that Felder 50 mm head can use 40 mm knives.

Bottom line, I wanted to try them and did a project. Obviously, this produces a joint that will withstand substantially higher shear forces but I have so far not have an application requiring it. I guess it can ease assembly.

Just sharing my experience. Hope you find it helpful.

Imran Malik
IAM Wood Creations

On May 10, 2025, at 5:57?PM, Marty Gildea via groups.io <madigabr@...> wrote:

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Thank you Joe, I appreciate the offer but I would still need the limiters.? I think I'm going to bite the bullet and pay Whitehill the shipping cost.??




On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 3:55?PM Joe Calhoon via <joecalhoon=[email protected]> wrote:
I have the 8.75 X 9.75 glue joint Whitehill knives I would sell for 1/2 price of new. Plus postage.
Don’t have the limiters though if you need those.





Re: Shaper Cutter Set Suggestions #shapertools #shop-pics

 

Thank you Joe, I appreciate the offer but I would still need the limiters.? I think I'm going to bite the bullet and pay Whitehill the shipping cost.??




On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 3:55?PM Joe Calhoon via <joecalhoon=[email protected]> wrote:
I have the 8.75 X 9.75 glue joint Whitehill knives I would sell for 1/2 price of new. Plus postage.
Don’t have the limiters though if you need those.





Re: Shaper Cutter Set Suggestions #shapertools #shop-pics

 

I have the 8.75 X 9.75 glue joint Whitehill knives I would sell for 1/2 price of new. Plus postage.
Don’t have the limiters though if you need those.

Re: mounting Aigner rails on cast iron machines

 

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Netanel,

Not sure what your Aigner rail looks like and what you intend to use it for especially on the bandsaw as besides extension tables, Aigner pressure module is an option as well.

First if your Aigner bracket is ~1 3/16” like mine (pic below), it will work with Aigner PM but not Felder extension tables. Felder brackets are wider, ~1 9/16” (see 2nd picture), and they allow the clamping bar below the ext. table to work.

image0.jpeg

Felder Brackets on Dual51
image1.jpeg

Felder extension tables will accommodate for less than perpendicular (to table surface) hole as they have height and tilt adjustments.

FYI, I mounted the Aigner bar at a height so that the horizontal sliding bar is above the table surface (see pic below). This is too high for the extension table. I am going to do something that will allow me to use both but I have not done that yet. It is possible to add set screws (bore & tap) to the Aigner PM bracket so that the bracket attached to the machine can be lower and perhaps will work with both. As a side note: Aigner PM will mount to Felder coupling brackets.

image2.jpeg

If you really want to go perpendicular a simple 90 deg jig composed of flat wood large enough to lay on machine surface with a 90 deg cleat mounted below should work. Cleat should drop down as much as needed and should be thick enough to act like a drill guide.

Hope this helps.

Imran Malik
IAM Wood Creations

On May 10, 2025, at 1:30?PM, netanel.belgazal via groups.io <netanel.belgazal@...> wrote:

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Thanks everyone for the great advice.
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I am drilling to the side of the machine to mount a F style bar. It is through hole (the cast has a thickness of ~ 1/2” thick). I don’t need to tap the hole, it secures to the cast iron with an hex nut.
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i also have a drill press, but it isn’t possible to bring the machine to the DP :)
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Re: mounting Aigner rails on cast iron machines

 

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??Netanel,

Not sure what your Aigner rail looks like and what you intend to use it for especially on the bandsaw as besides extension tables, Aigner pressure module is an option as well.

First if your Aigner bracket is ~1 3/16” like mine (pic below), it will work with Aigner PM but not Felder extension tables. Felder brackets are wider, ~1 9/16” (see 2nd picture), and they allow the clamping bar below the ext. table to work.

image0.jpeg

Felder Brackets on Dual51
image0.jpeg

Felder extension tables will accommodate for less than perpendicular (to table surface) hole as they have height and tilt adjustments.

FYI, I mounted the Aigner bar at a height so that the horizontal sliding bar is above the table surface (see pic below). This is too high for the extension table. I am going to do something that will allow me to use both but I have not done that yet. It is possible to add set screws (bore & tap) to the Aigner PM bracket so that the bracket attached to the machine can be lower and perhaps will work with both. As a side note: Aigner PM will mount to Felder coupling brackets.

image1.jpeg

If you really want to go perpendicular a simple 90 deg jig composed of flat wood large enough to lay on machine surface with a 90 deg cleat mounted below should work. Cleat should drop down as much as needed and should be thick enough to act like a drill guide.

Hope this helps.

Imran Malik
IAM Wood Creations

On May 10, 2025, at 1:30?PM, netanel.belgazal via groups.io <netanel.belgazal@...> wrote:

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Thanks everyone for the great advice.
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I am drilling to the side of the machine to mount a F style bar. It is through hole (the cast has a thickness of ~ 1/2” thick). I don’t need to tap the hole, it secures to the cast iron with an hex nut.
?
i also have a drill press, but it isn’t possible to bring the machine to the DP :)
?

Re: mounting Aigner rails on cast iron machines

 

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?Netanel,

Not sure what your Aigner rail looks like and what you intend to use it for especially on the bandsaw as besides extension tables, Aigner pressure module is an option as well.

First if your Aigner bracket is ~1 3/16” like mine (pic below), it will work with Aigner PM but not Felder extension tables. Felder brackets are wider, ~1 9/16” (see 2nd picture), and they allow the clamping bar below the ext. table to work.

image0.jpeg

Felder Brackets on Dual51
image0.jpeg

Felder extension tables will accommodate for less than perpendicular (to table surface) hole as they have height and tilt adjustments.

FYI, I mounted the Aigner bar at a height so that the horizontal sliding bar is above the table surface (see pic below). This is too high for the extension table. I am going to do something that will allow me to use both but I have not done that yet. It is possible to add set screws (bore & tap) to the Aigner PM bracket so that the bracket attached to the machine can be lower and perhaps will work with both. As a side note: Aigner PM will mount to Felder coupling brackets.

image1.jpeg

If you really want to go perpendicular a simple 90 deg jig composed of flat wood large enough to lay on machine surface with a 90 deg cleat mounted below should work. Cleat should drop down as much as needed and should be thick enough to act like a drill guide.

Hope this helps.

Imran Malik
IAM Wood Creations

On May 10, 2025, at 1:30?PM, netanel.belgazal via groups.io <netanel.belgazal@...> wrote:

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Thanks everyone for the great advice.
?
I am drilling to the side of the machine to mount a F style bar. It is through hole (the cast has a thickness of ~ 1/2” thick). I don’t need to tap the hole, it secures to the cast iron with an hex nut.
?
i also have a drill press, but it isn’t possible to bring the machine to the DP :)
?

Re: mounting Aigner rails on cast iron machines

 

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?Netanel,

Not sure what your Aigner rail looks like and what you intend to use it for especially on the bandsaw as besides extension tables, Aigner pressure module is an option as well.

First if your Aigner bracket is ~1 3/16” like mine (pic below), it will work with Aigner PM but not Felder extension tables. Felder brackets are wider, ~1 9/16” (see 2nd picture), and they allow the clamping bar below the ext. table to work.

image0.jpeg

Felder Brackets on Dual51
image0.jpeg

Felder extension tables will accommodate for less than perpendicular (to table surface) hole as they have height and tilt adjustments.

FYI, I mounted the Aigner bar at a height so that the horizontal sliding bar is above the table surface (see pic below). This is too high for the extension table. I am going to do something that will allow me to use both but I have not done that yet. It is possible to add set screws (bore & tap) to the Aigner PM bracket so that the bracket attached to the machine can be lower and perhaps will work with both. As a side note: Aigner PM will mount to Felder coupling brackets.

image1.jpeg

If you really want to go perpendicular a simple 90 deg jig composed of flat wood large enough to lay on machine surface with a 90 deg cleat mounted below should work. Cleat should drop down as much as needed and should be thick enough to act like a drill guide.

Hope this helps.

Imran Malik
IAM Wood Creations

On May 10, 2025, at 1:30?PM, netanel.belgazal via groups.io <netanel.belgazal@...> wrote:

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Thanks everyone for the great advice.
?
I am drilling to the side of the machine to mount a F style bar. It is through hole (the cast has a thickness of ~ 1/2” thick). I don’t need to tap the hole, it secures to the cast iron with an hex nut.
?
i also have a drill press, but it isn’t possible to bring the machine to the DP :)
?

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