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Re: Arrival of new panel saw
Me too. ? David Best - via mobile phone?
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On Jul 12, 2023, at 1:23 PM, PK <pk@...> wrote:
?Albert,
I need more pics!!!? That thing is next level.? I want more close ups for sure!
PK
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Re: Advice on dial indicator for checking run of a drill press/input on Novs Voyager Drill Press
When moving the long arm from the iron top to the left side of the slider the zero can be lost if the iron is not perfectly planar. The length of the arm magnifies any variation in the iron top.
Then use the top surface of the sliding table itself to zero the indicator. The sliding table top surface is flat ¡°enough¡± for this application - certainly flatter than most cast iron tops. Lay your indicator base and indicator on the top of the slider, parallel to the long direction of the slider and zero the indicator. Then reposition the base to the cast iron top. I often use the slider table top surface as the reference surface for all kinds of things including glue-up of torsion boxes: David Best.
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Re: Arrival of new panel saw
Albert,
I need more pics!!!? That thing is next level.? I want more close ups for sure!
PK
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Re: Arrival of new panel saw
Wow, just wow! Congratulations Albert. Hopefully, you won¡¯t need to buy another ?
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On Jul 12, 2023, at 2:51 PM, Albert Lee <timbershelf@...> wrote: ? Not?Felder related but I know some of you guys maybe interested to see SCM¡¯s double tilt slider, especially a L¡¯Invincibile. I rarely see L¡¯Invincibile in private shop and most of them are owned by factory or education institution.?
so here it is, I only got them into my workshop yesterday and they are yet to be powered up. Will post a video later about it. the software is very production orientated, SCM provided training for the software, it can talk to your other SCM machine if you have it setup. Base of the machine are 12mm thick steel. Some thicker at 20mm. The stops and the angle on the table talks to the touch screen, you move the stops or angle the table it will show on the screen, because the angular cut is built into the outrigger table it weighs 120kg/260lbs. Linear guides are everywhere, the installation of the slider is super easy, several pins to lock it into position and it¡¯s level/square.?
waited 2 years for this moment. Paid deposit in Jul 21 and certificates shows the saw was made in Sep 2022. On ship in Feb 2023. Arrived at our port in May.?
I wanted to fast track the process so I asked the saw to be assembled at our SCM¡¯s workshop and then delivered to me. This gave me other issues - it rained on the day of delivery, we did cover the saw in time but now I have spotty cast iron table top - how to remove spotty water stain again??
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Re: Advice on dial indicator for checking run of a drill press/input on Novs Voyager Drill Press
Nope. I understand that.
What I mean is a way to relate the slider to the iron top. Right side is so close to the iron that I zero to the iron and move the base that fraction of an inch to the slider.
When moving the long arm from the iron top to the left side of the slider the zero can be lost if the iron is not perfectly planar. The length of the arm magnifies any variation in the iron top.
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Re: Advice on dial indicator for checking run of a drill press/input on Novs Voyager Drill Press
I could be wrong, but I took his question as he has a hard time getting the indicator over a flat surface to zero the indicator referenced off the base surface of the mag base, then swinging it all the way over the slider and having any confidence that his zero is still zero.
I actually like a large surface gage I have for reading way out on the slider, similar to this one, maybe 12¡± tall though:
Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com
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On Jul 12, 2023, at 12:36 PM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
If by ¡°zero¡± the indicator you mean altering its height so the indicator hand points to the 12-o¡¯clock position, a micro-adjust will do that. ?However, this is not necessary. ?The common method to ¡°zero¡± the indicator is by twisting the outer dial bezel so that the zero position on the dial face matches the arrow position - then when you reposition the indicator to another place, the indicator will tell you the exact difference. ??
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On Jul 12, 2023, at 11:45 AM, John Hinman <jhinman1911@...> wrote:
?I made the long-reach indicator holder similar to the David Best shows. I could not be confident that I could ¡°zero¡± the indicator, though. The indicator would tell me if I was moving the table up or down, but not whether I had it where I wanted it. I eventually used two indicators at the right edge of the table, and used my level to see if the slider was parallel to the iron table top.
Any suggestions for how to ¡°zero¡± the left-side indicator would be helpful. I want to try adjusting the slider again, this time to reduce toe-out, and I know I¡¯ll have to work with slider elevation at the same time.
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Boise ID
K700S and A941
Re: Advice on dial indicator for checking run of a drill press/input on Novs Voyager Drill Press
If by ¡°zero¡± the indicator you mean altering its height so the indicator hand points to the 12-o¡¯clock position, a micro-adjust will do that. ?However, this is not necessary. ?The common method to ¡°zero¡± the indicator is by twisting the outer dial bezel so that the zero position on the dial face matches the arrow position - then when you reposition the indicator to another place, the indicator will tell you the exact difference. ??
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David Best - via mobile phone?
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On Jul 12, 2023, at 11:45 AM, John Hinman <jhinman1911@...> wrote:
?I made the long-reach indicator holder similar to the David Best shows. I could not be confident that I could ¡°zero¡± the indicator, though. The indicator would tell me if I was moving the table up or down, but not whether I had it where I wanted it. I eventually used two indicators at the right edge of the table, and used my level to see if the slider was parallel to the iron table top.
Any suggestions for how to ¡°zero¡± the left-side indicator would be helpful. I want to try adjusting the slider again, this time to reduce toe-out, and I know I¡¯ll have to work with slider elevation at the same time.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941
Re: Arrival of new panel saw
I love anything going into Albert's shop. It's the most interesting photos every time - pushed in with a boom truck?!
Looking forward to your follow-ups?once sawdust flies - that saw looks quite compelling and has evoked a lot of curiosity.
Thanks for sharing and congratulations, Albert!
On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 2:18?PM Kerryj_smith < kerry@...> wrote: Wow, she's a beast! Congratulations on your new saw.
KS
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Re: Arrival of new panel saw
Wow, she's a beast! Congratulations on your new saw.
KS
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Gotham Woodworks
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Re: Advice on dial indicator for checking run of a drill press/input on Novs Voyager Drill Press
I made the long-reach indicator holder similar to the David Best shows. I could not be confident that I could ¡°zero¡± the indicator, though. The indicator would tell me if I was moving the table up or down, but not whether I had it where I wanted it. I eventually used two indicators at the right edge of the table, and used my level to see if the slider was parallel to the iron table top.
Any suggestions for how to ¡°zero¡± the left-side indicator would be helpful. I want to try adjusting the slider again, this time to reduce toe-out, and I know I¡¯ll have to work with slider elevation at the same time.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941
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Re: Rangate 300 Lift Cart
Thanks, that is very helpful.? I have a 2500 lb electric lift table with a turntable I rarely use that might serve as a good base unit for the table.? Now that big Monarch is about done, I'll start inventing.? That usually means that failure is lurking around
the corner but the adventure is fun.? I can't do welding but have lots of clients who do so that is no issue.??
Dave
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Dave,
When I decided to immerse myself into some metal fabrication work, I checked out the Siegmund mobile tables for welding assist. ?They are great, but because of space constraints, I decided to just replace the top of my Barth 500V with a custom CertiFlat
welding table top. ?It¡¯s worked out well. ?This particular welding top weighted in at about 140 pounds once completed, and having height adjustability is really a back saver. ? When I¡¯m not doing metal fab work, I have a ?¡± MDF cover over the top for woodworking
projects. ?
I can recommend the CertiFlat ()
tables if you have the faculties to do your own weld-up. ?I¡¯ve documented my saga here: ?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Jul 12, 2023, at 9:32 AM, David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
I like those.? I've been looking at welding tables, not so much for welding as working on my old heavy machines with heavy parts.? Height is always a problem as my old back needs tables that adjust.? Thanks?for the info.? Dave
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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Re: Rangate 300 Lift Cart
Dave,
When I decided to immerse myself into some metal fabrication work, I checked out the Siegmund mobile tables for welding assist. ?They are great, but because of space constraints, I decided to just replace the top of my Barth 500V with a custom CertiFlat welding table top. ?It¡¯s worked out well. ?This particular welding top weighted in at about 140 pounds once completed, and having height adjustability is really a back saver. ? When I¡¯m not doing metal fab work, I have a ?¡± MDF cover over the top for woodworking projects. ?
I can recommend the CertiFlat () tables if you have the faculties to do your own weld-up. ?I¡¯ve documented my saga here: ?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Jul 12, 2023, at 9:32 AM, David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
I like those.? I've been looking at welding tables, not so much for welding as working on my old heavy machines with heavy parts.? Height is always a problem as my old back needs tables that adjust.? Thanks?for the info.? Dave
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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Re: Rangate 300 Lift Cart
Wade, the ¡°ledge¡± that supports material when the top is flipped down into vertical position is about 10-inches tall ? It¡¯s a U-shaped tube with one center brace, so you can slide materials between the tubes if they are under about 22-inches in width. ?I wouldn¡¯t want to be without that ¡°ledge¡± as it acts as a handle to maneuver the cart when it has heavy loads and the table is in the up/flat position. ?Fellow FOG member Steve Rowe has the ShopCarts unit as well and did a nice review of it here:
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I customized mine with swivel casters on both ends and a lanyard I made at summer camp on the releasing pin ring. ?It will easily hold 8 sheets of 3/4 ApplePly weighing 1,000 pounds. ?I¡¯ve done that a few times. ?The same load of ApplePly on my Barth 500V (which is rated the same in load capacity) will cause the top of the Barth to creep down about 2-inches per hour. ?So much for ¡°German engineering¡±. ? ?As Steve points out, with more than about 5 sheets of 3/4-inch plywood loaded on it, you will really struggle tilting that top from vertical to horizontal position without some kind of mechanical assistance. ?I have a ceiling-mounted HF wench )) to help with this and to raise/lower my wall-mounted glue-up bench (discussed here: ?).
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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On Jul 12, 2023, at 4:56 AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
David Best,
No more Felder ¡°machine Kool-Aid¡±, but am considering trying their ¡°equipment Kool-Aid¡± ?
I will say though, after seeing your link to the Shopcarts 4¡¯ panel handler, that¡¯s now on the consideration table.
When the 4¡¯ panel handler is in the vertical position you stack your material on the lip or ledge to support the material, but wouldn¡¯t it be great if there was some ¡°magical¡± way to design it to where you could fold that ledge away and have a flat work table you could use and access on all sides of it. ?Do you know how wide that lip/ledger is?
Thx,
Wade
On Jul 11, 2023, at 9:08 PM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
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Wade, me thinks you have slurped too much Felder brand Kool-Aid. ?Great castors are cheap and easy to put on. ?Last time I looked Barth wanted something like $1K for a laminated top with holes. ?That too is cheap and easy to fabricate in your shop, or outsource to a water-jet facility. ??
The Hafele tilting panel cart is no longer sold by Hafele. ?I had one myself, on sale it was $299 in 2002. ?I sold it when I moved, missed it so much I wanted to buy another, but they had stopped selling them, so I got the Shop Cart which is eve beefier. ?I too replaced the castors on my Hafele cart..
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Jul 11, 2023, at 8:40 PM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
Aaron Inami,
That castor wheel description sounds like the perfect scenario for a castor wheel set up on these tables. ?
For me that¡¯s another notch in the pro column for the Fat 300 S.
Thx,
Wade
On Jul 11, 2023, at 7:29 PM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
?Felder describes the casters as "2 lockable swivel castors and 2 swivel casters with directional locks".
The "2 swivel casters with directional locks" will lock into one direction, but will still roll.? This acts as a fixed castor to help with transporting material across the shop? (if you have 4 fully swivel castors, it's really difficult to control the cart when you are moving stuff around).? If you "unlock" them, they become a standard swivel castor.
The "2 lockable swivel castors" are complete dual-locking casters.? They will lock in any direction as well as apply a brake to the wheel so that the table does not roll off on its own.
Re: Advice on dial indicator for checking run of a drill press/input on Novs Voyager Drill Press
That indicator stand does not have arms long enough to reach across the sliding table. ?The attached document discusses a similar type with sufficient reach, or a method of making your own for table alignment. ?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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On Jul 12, 2023, at 5:26 AM, Mike <mike@...> wrote:
Will this base be long enough to reach across a slider and measure its tilt? I can't find dimensions on Amazon.
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I like those.? I've been looking at welding tables, not so much for welding as working on my old heavy machines with heavy parts.? Height is always a problem as my old back needs tables that adjust.? Thanks?for the info.? Dave
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For anyone that does metalworking in addition to wood the siegmund mobile tables are a great option. In the same ballpark pricewise as the felder and quite versatile.
On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 7:35?AM Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression < airtightclamps@...> wrote:
Wade,
?It¡¯s magic, cut the 3 tubes insert a pin / smaller pipe know you can take of or flip ledge over .
Requires a 1/32 cut off wheel and a drill .?
Designing and building for 50 years
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For panels I use the Festool STM 1800. It knocks down easily for storage.? You can tilt it down to stack panels.? It is height adjustable, albeit manually.? I also use it as a mobile workbench by putting a revised Paulk torsion box on top. It¡¯s
very stable when locked. It has two locking casters.?
Plus it¡¯s really great for track saw usage.?
David Best,
No more Felder ¡°machine Kool-Aid¡±, but am considering trying their ¡°equipment Kool-Aid¡± ?
I will say though, after seeing your link to the Shopcarts 4¡¯ panel handler, that¡¯s now on the consideration table.
When the 4¡¯ panel handler is in the vertical position you stack your material on the lip or ledge to support the material, but wouldn¡¯t it be great if there was some ¡°magical¡± way to design it to where you could fold that ledge away and have
a flat work table you could use and access on all sides of it.? Do you know how wide that lip/ledger is?
Thx,
Wade
?Wade, me thinks you have slurped too much Felder brand Kool-Aid.? Great castors are cheap and easy to put on.? Last time I looked Barth wanted something like $1K for a laminated top with holes.? That too is cheap and easy to fabricate in your
shop, or outsource to a water-jet facility. ??
The Hafele tilting panel cart is no longer sold by Hafele.? I had one myself, on sale it was $299 in 2002.? I sold it when I moved, missed it so much I wanted to buy another, but they had stopped selling them, so I got the Shop Cart which is eve beefier.?
I too replaced the castors on my Hafele cart..
Aaron Inami,
That castor wheel description sounds like the perfect scenario for a castor wheel set up on these tables. ?
For me that¡¯s another notch in the pro column for the Fat 300 S.
Thx,
Wade
On Jul 11, 2023, at 7:29 PM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
?Felder describes the casters as "2 lockable swivel castors and 2 swivel casters with directional locks".
The "2 swivel casters with directional locks" will lock into one direction, but will still roll.? This acts as a fixed castor to help with transporting material across the shop? (if you have 4 fully swivel castors, it's really difficult to control the cart
when you are moving stuff around).? If you "unlock" them, they become a standard swivel castor.
The "2 lockable swivel castors" are complete dual-locking casters.? They will lock in any direction as well as apply a brake to the wheel so that the table does not roll off on its own.
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Re: Advice on dial indicator for checking run of a drill press/input on Novs Voyager Drill Press
David,
My apologies for not responding and thanking everyone sooner for their input concerning dial indicators and Nova Drill Press. ?I am going with your suggestion on dial indicator and if I need an upgrade down the road, then this suggestion has not killed the bank.
Concerning the Nova Voyager, I remain on the fence but I am committed to replacing my Delta 18-900L Drill press as I never change belt speeds but realize the results are not optimal for some of the work. ?My hesitation on the Nova are the comments made on this forum and others that the Nova has great features but is a light duty drill press. ?Probably light duty is good enough but I will continue my search for a heavier machine with variable speed from the control panel upfront but of course these are available but $2000.00 becomes $3500.00-$5000.00 plus.
Again thanks to everyone and if anyone has other suggestions, I am all ears.
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On Jul 10, 2023, at 5:49 AM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
Fred, you will find my preferred dial indicator and magnetic base recommendations in the attached. ?But the following would suffice for your intended purpose provided it has the necessary arm length to indicate from your mounting position to whatever you¡¯re trying to check..
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
On Jul 9, 2023, at 8:03 PM, fred burgess via groups.io <fredbhelp@...> wrote:
I would like to acquire a dial indicator and base to check the run of my drill press and would like the groups¡¯s input on which one to buy. ?Obviously I can go top shelf and it looks like one could spend well on $300.00 on the dial indicator and base but hopefully there are options less costly that will get accurate results.
Also would like any input on Nova Voyager Drill Press¡ª-technical issues as well as maintenance issues.
Thanks
Fred Burgess
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Re: Rangate 300 Lift Cart
For anyone that does metalworking in addition to wood the siegmund mobile tables are a great option. In the same ballpark pricewise as the felder and quite versatile.
On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 7:35?AM Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression < airtightclamps@...> wrote: Wade, ?It¡¯s magic, cut the 3 tubes insert a pin / smaller pipe know you can take of or flip ledge over . Requires a 1/32 cut off wheel and a drill .?
 Designing and building for 50 years ? For panels I use the Festool STM 1800. It knocks down easily for storage.? You can tilt it down to stack panels.? It is height adjustable, albeit manually.? I also use it as a mobile workbench by putting a revised Paulk torsion box on top. It¡¯s very stable when locked. It has two locking casters.?
Plus it¡¯s really great for track saw usage.? David Best,
No more Felder ¡°machine Kool-Aid¡±, but am considering trying their ¡°equipment Kool-Aid¡± ?
I will say though, after seeing your link to the Shopcarts 4¡¯ panel handler, that¡¯s now on the consideration table.
When the 4¡¯ panel handler is in the vertical position you stack your material on the lip or ledge to support the material, but wouldn¡¯t it be great if there was some ¡°magical¡± way to design it to where you could fold that ledge away and have a flat work table you could use and access on all sides of it.? Do you know how wide that lip/ledger is?
Thx,
Wade
?Wade, me thinks you have slurped too much Felder brand Kool-Aid.? Great castors are cheap and easy to put on.? Last time I looked Barth wanted something like $1K for a laminated top with holes.? That too is cheap and easy to fabricate in your shop, or outsource to a water-jet facility. ??
The Hafele tilting panel cart is no longer sold by Hafele.? I had one myself, on sale it was $299 in 2002.? I sold it when I moved, missed it so much I wanted to buy another, but they had stopped selling them, so I got the Shop Cart which is eve beefier.? I too replaced the castors on my Hafele cart..
Aaron Inami,
That castor wheel description sounds like the perfect scenario for a castor wheel set up on these tables. ?
For me that¡¯s another notch in the pro column for the Fat 300 S.
Thx,
Wade
On Jul 11, 2023, at 7:29 PM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
?Felder describes the casters as "2 lockable swivel castors and 2 swivel casters with directional locks".
The "2 swivel casters with directional locks" will lock into one direction, but will still roll.? This acts as a fixed castor to help with transporting material across the shop? (if you have 4 fully swivel castors, it's really difficult to control the cart when you are moving stuff around).? If you "unlock" them, they become a standard swivel castor.
The "2 lockable swivel castors" are complete dual-locking casters.? They will lock in any direction as well as apply a brake to the wheel so that the table does not roll off on its own.
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Wade D - No argument there, back, wallet, & brain have been in serious discussions. ;-)
Just got a Llambrich keyless chuck for the drill press, next large-ish purchase may well be the panel cart.
I like that the ShopCartsUSA is made in Kansas, & David B says he's had good experience with it.? Also like that they have a version for 5x5 Baltic birch.
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?. . . cheers . . .????? Rich Markiewicz
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Re: Rangate 300 Lift Cart
Wade, ?It¡¯s magic, cut the 3 tubes insert a pin / smaller pipe know you can take of or flip ledge over . Requires a 1/32 cut off wheel and a drill .?
 Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jul 12, 2023, at 7:42 AM, Andy <andy.raynor08@...> wrote:
? For panels I use the Festool STM 1800. It knocks down easily for storage.? You can tilt it down to stack panels.? It is height adjustable, albeit manually.? I also use it as a mobile workbench by putting a revised Paulk torsion box on top. It¡¯s very stable when locked. It has two locking casters.?
Plus it¡¯s really great for track saw usage.? David Best,
No more Felder ¡°machine Kool-Aid¡±, but am considering trying their ¡°equipment Kool-Aid¡± ?
I will say though, after seeing your link to the Shopcarts 4¡¯ panel handler, that¡¯s now on the consideration table.
When the 4¡¯ panel handler is in the vertical position you stack your material on the lip or ledge to support the material, but wouldn¡¯t it be great if there was some ¡°magical¡± way to design it to where you could fold that ledge away and have a flat work table you could use and access on all sides of it.? Do you know how wide that lip/ledger is?
Thx,
Wade
?Wade, me thinks you have slurped too much Felder brand Kool-Aid.? Great castors are cheap and easy to put on.? Last time I looked Barth wanted something like $1K for a laminated top with holes.? That too is cheap and easy to fabricate in your shop, or outsource to a water-jet facility. ??
The Hafele tilting panel cart is no longer sold by Hafele.? I had one myself, on sale it was $299 in 2002.? I sold it when I moved, missed it so much I wanted to buy another, but they had stopped selling them, so I got the Shop Cart which is eve beefier.? I too replaced the castors on my Hafele cart..
Aaron Inami,
That castor wheel description sounds like the perfect scenario for a castor wheel set up on these tables. ?
For me that¡¯s another notch in the pro column for the Fat 300 S.
Thx,
Wade
On Jul 11, 2023, at 7:29 PM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
?Felder describes the casters as "2 lockable swivel castors and 2 swivel casters with directional locks".
The "2 swivel casters with directional locks" will lock into one direction, but will still roll.? This acts as a fixed castor to help with transporting material across the shop? (if you have 4 fully swivel castors, it's really difficult to control the cart when you are moving stuff around).? If you "unlock" them, they become a standard swivel castor.
The "2 lockable swivel castors" are complete dual-locking casters.? They will lock in any direction as well as apply a brake to the wheel so that the table does not roll off on its own.
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