Pricing for used Felder tools
Diablo Woodworkers (East Bay SF) is assisting the spouse of a deceased woodworker in disposing of a shop full of quality tools, many new in box, others older but very lightly used if at all.? I would like any suggestions for pricing.???Here is the Felder section of the list.? Some prices have been suggested by others as shown, but I am not sure of the basis.? Further information and/or photos may be available.? Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
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Power Feed Support Arm |
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Power Feed Arm |
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probably Felder based on the green color |
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Felder |
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New in box, looks like a guide of some sort [shipped 2013] |
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Felder |
20" Jointer/Planer |
Format 4 Dual 51 3 ph? |
2006 model purchased in 2008. Looks unused - no plug |
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$ 10,000 |
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Felder |
Eccentric Hold Downs |
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New in box |
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Felder |
Slider/Shaper w/ Feeder |
Model KF700 3 ph? |
Purchased new in 2001 |
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$ 10,000 |
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Felder |
Shaper Arbor |
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Found in bench drawer |
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Felder |
Shaper Cutting Head |
04-2-098 MAN |
Found in bench drawer |
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Felder |
Shaper Cutting Head |
131[93]x40x30 |
With inter-changeable cutter sets; with wooden case |
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Felder |
Track Saw Guide rail |
FS 1080/2 |
Stated as $115 new |
$ 115 |
$ 60 |
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Re: Customer service (or lack thereof)
I have been in touch with Ruan and he was able to offer (after some negotiation) a replacement slider or $2500 refund. That is roughly a 16% discount of what I paid for the saw unit alone.?I feel that it is?a fair deal, and have accepted his offer.?This isn't my forever saw and the sliding table is in alignment and works otherwise, so I can live with it. Yes, the resale value is slightly lower, but I think the refund makes up for it and allows me to purchase some other equipment right away.
I would like to extend many thanks and much gratitude to David Best for his guidance with my claim issues and his work behind the scenes on my behalf. I'm not sure I would have gotten anywhere, or nearly as quickly, without his support. Thank you, David!
Thank you,
Steve
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Re: Customer service (or lack thereof)
Mike, I would be stupid to disagree with your sentiment and have suggested operational changes to Felder aimed at preventing these situations in the future. ? David Best - via mobile phone?
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On May 12, 2023, at 9:14 AM, Mike D. via groups.io <mjcdorsam@...> wrote:
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Dave: With significant respect to you¡ someone of your stature should not have to get involved for Felder to do the right thing. Similarly, someone of Ruan¡¯s?standing should not have to get involved.
This particular issue is not mine, and it¡¯s not my place to sound a voice;?though, I have been down this road more than once?with the Delaware office, and I¡¯m venting a bit - my two cents. Thanks for stepping in!.
Everyone¡ Do Take Care. Mike D.
On Friday, May 12, 2023, 11:53, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote: I contacted Ruan last Monday on Steven¡¯s behalf. ?His situation is being handled and I¡¯m sure he will update the group soon. ? Everybody relax.? David Best - via mobile phone? On May 11, 2023, at 10:03 PM, joelgelman via groups.io <joelgelman@...> wrote:
? This evening I sent this email:Dear Mr. duToit,
Allow me to introduce myself.? I am the reason you and all Felder Employees have jobs and a place to live and money to pay for food.? I am a Felder owner.? I am the customer.??
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As a Felder Owner¡¯s Group forum member for many years, I was very disappointed to read the above thread.? I personally had no negative experiences as my sales representative was Carl Knapp who is excellent, and there were no shipping or other issues.? It is easy when there are no problems.? What really tests the integrity of a company is how a company behaves when there are problems.
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If I were in your position, my response would be to call the customer personally without delay, say ¡°I am sorry¡± and offer to do whatever is needed to make things right, and then do it.
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Sincerely,
45 minutes later, I received this reply:Dear Joel
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I have been in touch with Steven and will make it right. Thanks for your care and support in sending this email.?
Ruan du Toit
-- Mike D. Annapolis, MD AD951; K700S; N4400
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Re: Customer service (or lack thereof)
Dave: With significant respect to you¡ someone of your stature should not have to get involved for Felder to do the right thing. Similarly, someone of Ruan¡¯s?standing should not have to get involved.
This particular issue is not mine, and it¡¯s not my place to sound a voice;?though, I have been down this road more than once?with the Delaware office, and I¡¯m venting a bit - my two cents. Thanks for stepping in!.
Everyone¡ Do Take Care. Mike D.
On Friday, May 12, 2023, 11:53, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote: I contacted Ruan last Monday on Steven¡¯s behalf. ?His situation is being handled and I¡¯m sure he will update the group soon. ? Everybody relax.? David Best - via mobile phone? On May 11, 2023, at 10:03 PM, joelgelman via groups.io <joelgelman@...> wrote:
? This evening I sent this email:Dear Mr. duToit,
Allow me to introduce myself.? I am the reason you and all Felder Employees have jobs and a place to live and money to pay for food.? I am a Felder owner.? I am the customer.??
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As a Felder Owner¡¯s Group forum member for many years, I was very disappointed to read the above thread.? I personally had no negative experiences as my sales representative was Carl Knapp who is excellent, and there were no shipping or other issues.? It is easy when there are no problems.? What really tests the integrity of a company is how a company behaves when there are problems.
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If I were in your position, my response would be to call the customer personally without delay, say ¡°I am sorry¡± and offer to do whatever is needed to make things right, and then do it.
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Sincerely,
45 minutes later, I received this reply:Dear Joel
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I have been in touch with Steven and will make it right. Thanks for your care and support in sending this email.?
Ruan du Toit
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Mike D.
Annapolis, MD
AD951; K700S; N4400
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Re: Customer service (or lack thereof)
I contacted Ruan last Monday on Steven¡¯s behalf. ?His situation is being handled and I¡¯m sure he will update the group soon. ? Everybody relax.? David Best - via mobile phone?
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On May 11, 2023, at 10:03 PM, joelgelman via groups.io <joelgelman@...> wrote:
? This evening I sent this email:Dear Mr. duToit,
Allow me to introduce myself.? I am the reason you and all Felder Employees have jobs and a place to live and money to pay for food.? I am a Felder owner.? I am the customer.??
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As a Felder Owner¡¯s Group forum member for many years, I was very disappointed to read the above thread.? I personally had no negative experiences as my sales representative was Carl Knapp who is excellent, and there were no shipping or other issues.? It is easy when there are no problems.? What really tests the integrity of a company is how a company behaves when there are problems.
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If I were in your position, my response would be to call the customer personally without delay, say ¡°I am sorry¡± and offer to do whatever is needed to make things right, and then do it.
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Sincerely,
45 minutes later, I received this reply:Dear Joel
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I have been in touch with Steven and will make it right. Thanks for your care and support in sending this email.?
Ruan du Toit
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Re: A3-31 calibration frequency
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Re: A3-31 calibration frequency
¡and technically, these two actions relate to ? changing ? the geometry of the cut, as opposed to solving an issue related to the machine having ? lost ? its calibration.
The joys of communication and semantics! ?
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Re: A3-31 calibration frequency
technically that'd be 3 calibrations......two re-calibrations.
D
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Re: Customer service (or lack thereof)
Things could be worse - coulda bought something from laguna.
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Well, this is good as far as it goes. However, there are systemic customer service/post-sales issues with Felder that this response does not address. North America Felder is too proud of their products and too dismissive of their smaller?customers. The President stepping into one issue does not signal a broad surge in being proactive.
On Friday, May 12, 2023, 06:56, Christopher Rozycki <croz1950@...> wrote: Excellent! Hope it works. Chris Rozycki? On May 12, 2023, at 1:03 AM, joelgelman via groups.io <joelgelman@...> wrote:
? This evening I sent this email:Dear Mr. duToit,
Allow me to introduce myself.? I am the reason you and all Felder Employees have jobs and a place to live and money to pay for food.? I am a Felder owner.? I am the customer.??
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As a Felder Owner¡¯s Group forum member for many years, I was very disappointed to read the above thread.? I personally had no negative experiences as my sales representative was Carl Knapp who is excellent, and there were no shipping or other issues.? It is easy when there are no problems.? What really tests the integrity of a company is how a company behaves when there are problems.
?
If I were in your position, my response would be to call the customer personally without delay, say ¡°I am sorry¡± and offer to do whatever is needed to make things right, and then do it.
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Sincerely,
45 minutes later, I received this reply:Dear Joel
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I have been in touch with Steven and will make it right. Thanks for your care and support in sending this email.?
Ruan du Toit
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Mike D.
Annapolis, MD
AD951; K700S; N4400
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Excellent! Hope it works. Chris Rozycki?
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On May 12, 2023, at 1:03 AM, joelgelman via groups.io <joelgelman@...> wrote:
? This evening I sent this email:Dear Mr. duToit,
Allow me to introduce myself.? I am the reason you and all Felder Employees have jobs and a place to live and money to pay for food.? I am a Felder owner.? I am the customer.??
?
As a Felder Owner¡¯s Group forum member for many years, I was very disappointed to read the above thread.? I personally had no negative experiences as my sales representative was Carl Knapp who is excellent, and there were no shipping or other issues.? It is easy when there are no problems.? What really tests the integrity of a company is how a company behaves when there are problems.
?
If I were in your position, my response would be to call the customer personally without delay, say ¡°I am sorry¡± and offer to do whatever is needed to make things right, and then do it.
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Sincerely,
45 minutes later, I received this reply:Dear Joel
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I have been in touch with Steven and will make it right. Thanks for your care and support in sending this email.?
Ruan du Toit
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Re: A3-31 calibration frequency
Hi Richard, I only recalibrated mine once in 13 years because I was making flooring and didn¡¯t want a sprung joint. Afterwards I reset it to a slight sprung joint.
I guess technically I have calibrated it twice.
Regards, Rod
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Re: Customer service (or lack thereof)
This evening I sent this email:Dear Mr. duToit,
Allow me to introduce myself.? I am the reason you and all Felder Employees have jobs and a place to live and money to pay for food.? I am a Felder owner.? I am the customer.??
?
As a Felder Owner¡¯s Group forum member for many years, I was very disappointed to read the above thread.? I personally had no negative experiences as my sales representative was Carl Knapp who is excellent, and there were no shipping or other issues.? It is easy when there are no problems.? What really tests the integrity of a company is how a company behaves when there are problems.
?
If I were in your position, my response would be to call the customer personally without delay, say ¡°I am sorry¡± and offer to do whatever is needed to make things right, and then do it.
?
Sincerely,
45 minutes later, I received this reply:Dear Joel
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I have been in touch with Steven and will make it right. Thanks for your care and support in sending this email.?
Ruan du Toit
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A3-31 calibration frequency
With what frequency should I expect to calibrate the jointer infeed/outfeed tables on my a3-31 (2007 vintage)? My workflow is quite mobile: I move this machine in and out of its parking spot under a miter saw stand whenever I use it. I went through the calibration process a year or so ago and have done a few projects that seemed to produce great results. I just started a new project today and my infeed table has >.010" dip in it towards the outfeed near the cutter head. The outfeed table is still solid and without issue.
It is entirely possible that I screwed something up originally and haven't noticed but I'm wondering if I should set my expectation to calibrate regularly given how often I move it and the style of machine it is?
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Re: K700s measurement glass¡
Can you superglue it back together? Mine was broken and was glued together and has been fine.
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Re: K700s measurement glass¡
I recently bought Brian¡¯s DRO flip stop and one DRO parallel fence. Both are very well made and very handy. Easy to install, too.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941
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Re: Hammer cross cut fence coupling set
Richard,
I ordered the kit you referenced as well as a 1300mm fence (and additional flip stop) when I bought my B3. So far, I have used Tim¡¯s approach (bevel angle) to set the fence. The 90 degree stop works flawlessly.
My next step will be to adapt my Incra mitre gauge as per Steve¡¯s message.
I hope this helps,
Jacques
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Re: K700s measurement glass¡
That¡¯s not quite correct, if you want to read over a meter you have to set the resolution to be .1mm (.004¡±) and you can read to 9999.9, so almost 10 meters. It¡¯s due to the display only using 5 digits. If you use inches, you can read to 99.999" and have the resolution set to .01mm/.001¡±, but it won¡¯t read over 999.99mm.
I started all of this with the F7 series of displays, and on the parallel fences they never go to that 1 meter limit, so it wasn¡¯t an issue. Since the advent of the Flipstop, we ran into the 5 digit limitation. I still work in inches, so wasn¡¯t much of an issue, but those that work in metric will have to deal with .1mm accuracy.
Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com
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On May 11, 2023, at 9:06 AM, habacomike via groups.io <habacomike@...> wrote:
Brian¡¯s digital stop is fantastic! ?Very good, and has improved my woodworking. ?Only complaint is that the readout in metric only goes to a meter. ?I have to get the calculator out and figure the inch equivalent for anything over. ?May not be an issue with later versions of his stops...On May 11, 2023, at 8:47 AM, Robert Maxwell <Ozarkbuilds@...> wrote:
Hey guys, just wanted to know if anyone has an extra measurement magnifying glass that goes on the flip stop for a K700s? I broke one and need to replace it! Also thinking about getting a DRO flip stop from Brian Lamb? Anyone have one or have used one? I¡¯ve got two DRO parallel bars from Lamb tools and love them, just curious about the DRO flip stop? Thanks¡
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Re: Hammer cross cut fence coupling set
Thanks Steve. I already have a profile made out of oak, ready to go.
J.
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Re: K700s measurement glass¡
Brian¡¯s digital stop is fantastic! ?Very good, and has improved my woodworking. ?Only complaint is that the readout in metric only goes to a meter. ?I have to get the calculator out and figure the inch equivalent for anything over. ?May not be an issue with later versions of his stops...
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On May 11, 2023, at 8:47 AM, Robert Maxwell <Ozarkbuilds@...> wrote:
Hey guys, just wanted to know if anyone has an extra measurement magnifying glass that goes on the flip stop for a K700s? I broke one and need to replace it! Also thinking about getting a DRO flip stop from Brian Lamb? Anyone have one or have used one? I¡¯ve got two DRO parallel bars from Lamb tools and love them, just curious about the DRO flip stop? Thanks¡
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Jim Fleming
David P. Best
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