Dan,? Actually it is the other way around, it was after Felder sent me a big pile of ? ?. It was my only way out, they credited me total cost of the k700, i had to crate it but they paid shipping on both machines and rigging. May sound like a deal but I assure you I wouldn’t wish it on an enemy (well..?) what Felder put me through (and FOG ?) for a year… And don’t forget the issue with the ad941 that lasted a year as well that ended in a replacement machine (due to their salesman f-up, and no usable machine for 4ish months) and cash compensation only to bail them out of another unhappy customer (didn’t like the grind marks on the side of the casting) all of this at about the same time is what got me a “deal” on the k940.?
Don’t get me wrong, I am very happy with the equipment that I have now I just will never deal with Felder company ever again, not saying I won’t end up with a used Felder something but will avoid if possible…
Ps…this is not a bash just the facts so don’t add to it…
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? Mark you definitely got a deal there. Was that after you made a big stink about your k700s?? I got powerdrive for free on my k700s (wasn’t on the build sheet but machine came with it) and I paid 15.7k delivered with 7.5hp motor, 3200 crosscut fence, and miter index. No dro flip stops or dro fence. The salesman told me I would be getting the 3200 dro fence with manual stops but he was mistaken on that and it was the standard extrusion. Once they realized they sent me an extra 3200 crosscut fence like I already had, they offered to buy it back for $1700 so my out the door price will be 14k delivered after that’s through.? On Jul 14, 2022, at 9:12 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? Tom, everything you mentioned on my k940 (2800 slide) + 2 dro stops, dro on rip, auto scoring, scoring safety lights.? 17k delivered. Now I didn’t push for pricing on the Kappa but i think I remember it starting at 32k without extras before negotiating.? On Jul 14, 2022, at 8:40 AM, tom@... wrote:
?Hi Mark!?
The machines (K940S and Kappa 400) I had spec'd were right at the crossover point of the two machines, which probably accounts for the price similarity. Without going into an exhaustive detail, the machines were set up roughly as follows:
-- 7.5hp
-- Remote start on slider
-- Dado setup
-- Scoring with separate 1hp motor
-- Power Drive on height and tilt?
-- 49" rip
-- Overhead saw guard
-- 1500mm outrigger
-- 3200mm slider on K940, 2800mm slider on Kappa which I would bump to 3200mm
-- Fine adjust on rip fence
So, no DRO on either machine, and certainly no X-Motion control panel or the fancier outriggers on the Kappa. This was a VERY early inquiry for me, and I wanted to try to compare "apples to apples" as reasonably as possible. Both machines were hovering on either side of ~$20k. Interestingly, as I'm looking at the quote, the DRO options on the Kappa 400 are a few hundred dollars less than the K940S.?
Both are nice machines. I cut a fair number of miters in my Shop, which, in my case, would likely push me over the top towards one of the Kappa machines, which unlocks the X-Roll and Parallelogram outriggers as options not available on the K940S. Of course, everybody's needs are different, which will inform their options....
All of the above being said, in my one-person Shop I'm still unlocking the capabilities of my KF700, and figure I should really learn to get the most out of it prior to shooting for "the next".?
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Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Mark you definitely got a deal there. Was that after you made a big stink about your k700s?? I got powerdrive for free on my k700s (wasn’t on the build sheet but machine came with it) and I paid 15.7k delivered with 7.5hp motor, 3200 crosscut fence, and miter index. No dro flip stops or dro fence. The salesman told me I would be getting the 3200 dro fence with manual stops but he was mistaken on that and it was the standard extrusion. Once they realized they sent me an extra 3200 crosscut fence like I already had, they offered to buy it back for $1700 so my out the door price will be 14k delivered after that’s through.?
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On Jul 14, 2022, at 9:12 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? Tom, everything you mentioned on my k940 (2800 slide) + 2 dro stops, dro on rip, auto scoring, scoring safety lights.? 17k delivered. Now I didn’t push for pricing on the Kappa but i think I remember it starting at 32k without extras before negotiating.? On Jul 14, 2022, at 8:40 AM, tom@... wrote:
?Hi Mark!?
The machines (K940S and Kappa 400) I had spec'd were right at the crossover point of the two machines, which probably accounts for the price similarity. Without going into an exhaustive detail, the machines were set up roughly as follows:
-- 7.5hp
-- Remote start on slider
-- Dado setup
-- Scoring with separate 1hp motor
-- Power Drive on height and tilt?
-- 49" rip
-- Overhead saw guard
-- 1500mm outrigger
-- 3200mm slider on K940, 2800mm slider on Kappa which I would bump to 3200mm
-- Fine adjust on rip fence
So, no DRO on either machine, and certainly no X-Motion control panel or the fancier outriggers on the Kappa. This was a VERY early inquiry for me, and I wanted to try to compare "apples to apples" as reasonably as possible. Both machines were hovering on either side of ~$20k. Interestingly, as I'm looking at the quote, the DRO options on the Kappa 400 are a few hundred dollars less than the K940S.?
Both are nice machines. I cut a fair number of miters in my Shop, which, in my case, would likely push me over the top towards one of the Kappa machines, which unlocks the X-Roll and Parallelogram outriggers as options not available on the K940S. Of course, everybody's needs are different, which will inform their options....
All of the above being said, in my one-person Shop I'm still unlocking the capabilities of my KF700, and figure I should really learn to get the most out of it prior to shooting for "the next".?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Tom, everything you mentioned on my k940 (2800 slide) + 2 dro stops, dro on rip, auto scoring, scoring safety lights.? 17k delivered. Now I didn’t push for pricing on the Kappa but i think I remember it starting at 32k without extras before negotiating.?
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?Hi Mark!?
The machines (K940S and Kappa 400) I had spec'd were right at the crossover point of the two machines, which probably accounts for the price similarity. Without going into an exhaustive detail, the machines were set up roughly as follows:
-- 7.5hp
-- Remote start on slider
-- Dado setup
-- Scoring with separate 1hp motor
-- Power Drive on height and tilt?
-- 49" rip
-- Overhead saw guard
-- 1500mm outrigger
-- 3200mm slider on K940, 2800mm slider on Kappa which I would bump to 3200mm
-- Fine adjust on rip fence
So, no DRO on either machine, and certainly no X-Motion control panel or the fancier outriggers on the Kappa. This was a VERY early inquiry for me, and I wanted to try to compare "apples to apples" as reasonably as possible. Both machines were hovering on either side of ~$20k. Interestingly, as I'm looking at the quote, the DRO options on the Kappa 400 are a few hundred dollars less than the K940S.?
Both are nice machines. I cut a fair number of miters in my Shop, which, in my case, would likely push me over the top towards one of the Kappa machines, which unlocks the X-Roll and Parallelogram outriggers as options not available on the K940S. Of course, everybody's needs are different, which will inform their options....
All of the above being said, in my one-person Shop I'm still unlocking the capabilities of my KF700, and figure I should really learn to get the most out of it prior to shooting for "the next".?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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When I was researching this back in Dec. 2020 optioning out the K940 vs Kappa 400 X Motion the difference was $3,215
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Hi Mark!?
The machines (K940S and Kappa 400) I had spec'd were right at the crossover point of the two machines, which probably accounts for the price similarity. Without going into an exhaustive detail, the machines were set up roughly as follows:
-- 7.5hp
-- Remote start on slider
-- Dado setup
-- Scoring with separate 1hp motor
-- Power Drive on height and tilt?
-- 49" rip
-- Overhead saw guard
-- 1500mm outrigger
-- 3200mm slider on K940, 2800mm slider on Kappa which I would bump to 3200mm
-- Fine adjust on rip fence
So, no DRO on either machine, and certainly no X-Motion control panel or the fancier outriggers on the Kappa. This was a VERY early inquiry for me, and I wanted to try to compare "apples to apples" as reasonably as possible. Both machines were hovering on either side of ~$20k. Interestingly, as I'm looking at the quote, the DRO options on the Kappa 400 are a few hundred dollars less than the K940S.?
Both are nice machines. I cut a fair number of miters in my Shop, which, in my case, would likely push me over the top towards one of the Kappa machines, which unlocks the X-Roll and Parallelogram outriggers as options not available on the K940S. Of course, everybody's needs are different, which will inform their options....
All of the above being said, in my one-person Shop I'm still unlocking the capabilities of my KF700, and figure I should really learn to get the most out of it prior to shooting for "the next".?
--
Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Hello all,
New to this group.? I just put a deposit down on a K700P.? Upgrading from a Powermatic cabinet saw.? My decision was between a K500S with a 9 foot slider or a K700P with the 6 foot slider.? I went with the K700P mainly for the following reasons:
- Better crosscut fence/supports/stops
- Better outrigger table configuration
- Better rip fence / rail system
- On/off buttons on end of sliding table (really helps in efficient workflow). This was not so much an issue on the cabinet saw, but will be an improvement in working speed with long sliders.
The K500S has the same trunnion as the K700P, so that was not an issue.
In the next 10-15 years, I -might- have to do a dozen or so 8 foot cuts. About 97% of my future work would fit well within a 6 foot slider. My sales rep' suggestion was to use a track saw for this (which will work). ? Alternatively, I could use the slider table as a support and just rip an 8 foot cut on the right side of the blade.? If I was doing a large amount of long 8 foot straight cuts (90 degree blade), then the K500S would be a good choice. However, in the end, I decided to get a better overall saw rather than a "step-down" saw that would specifically support less than 3% of my work.? With the type of projects I do, I am more likely to crosscut material down to a shorter length before doing a rip cut.
I also am limited to what I can put in my 20 x 20 foot garage along with everything else (shelves, supplies, other machines, dust collector).? While I could get a 9 foot slider in their, I think it's just going to get in the way more.
I figure I would post here to see what all your thoughts are on this comparison.
-Aaron Inami
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Tom,? Thats interesting, the difference for me was was 30%-40% if I remember correctly?
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?Hi Brendan,?
Earlier this year I was debating about whether up perform some upgrades on my KF700 and just buying a new machine, so I spec'd out a K940S and a Kappa 400. Similarly spec'd, they were within ~8% of each other.
Best wishes, looking forward to hearing what you come up with.?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Hi Brendan,?
Earlier this year I was debating about whether up perform some upgrades on my KF700 and just buying a new machine, so I spec'd out a K940S and a Kappa 400. Similarly spec'd, they were within ~8% of each other.
Best wishes, looking forward to hearing what you come up with.?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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I have a Kappa 400 xMotion that I bought new configured to my particular specifications and needs. ?The K940 and Kappa 400 do share the same chassis, and many of the options are identical. ?Like Mark suggested, I recommend you get quotes for both K940 and Kappa 400 version - I think you’ll discover the differences are unremarkable price wise fo the same option configuration. ?
Configuring the machine to your specific needs can be daunting, so if you want so assistance with that, DM me. ?
David Best david@...https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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Hey,?
I am a relatively new member, I joined around a year ago. ?I haven’t posted yet but have enjoyed all the information/banter being shared. ?Definitely entertaining and informative. ?I have a Dual51 and have not regretted the purchase whatsoever. ?That being said, I am now looking at getting a K940 (maybe looking at a Kappa 400) and wondering what people think about those machines and if anyone has any advice. ? I would plan on getting power drive with digital display for blade height and angle. ?Also digital rip fence and stops for outrigger table. ?Any advice from people who have one of those machines would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
Brendan Karlstad
Karlstad Woodwork LLC
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Doug, one last recommendation, which is likely in a lower price range but from the Felder stable:
I have had a Hammer N4400 bandsaw for around 10 years. It has never missed a beat. In all these years I have only changed a belt, and the original tyre continues to be used. Lots of power from the 4 hp motor, and the 17 1/2" wheels tension a 1" Woodmaster CT blade for resawing. The negative for me is a 11 1/2" resaw capacity, but the new versions resaw 12" plus.?
Regards from Perth
Derek
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Thanks for all of the useful observations and information - I am relieved that I can scale down my anticipated power need for resawing work, and it sounds like others have dealt with exactly the considerations I’m looking at. ?As others have observed, this is an incredibly responsive and helpful group - many thanks!
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Oh I see, can’t wait to hear your thoughts, I guess they are not advertising the new template system yet
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Hi Mark:
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Thanks for your info. I don’t think you’re missing it. The new template system is brand new. In email exchanges with Richard Hummel, President of Woodpeckers, I’ve been told my MR is the first to be shipped
with the new system world-wide. I’m frustrated that I’ve been so busy with other things that I have yet to test the system out properly as there is a small and diminishing window to write a “first” review of the new system. Alas, such is life.
?
I do know that Richard is very motivated to improve and continue to improve the MR. I am very impressed by his approach and service to date.
?
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Lucky, the 3 different templates are how I remember it, looks like that is how they still sell it, with no mention of the brass bushings, i must be missing it.?
As far as the patent, your right that it very well could be the other way around, the patent publication was 2019 with a priority of 2017 and an international date of 2018. Interestingly I don’t see AU listed
unless Australia has a different abbreviation?
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On Jul 11, 2022, at 8:24 PM, David Luckensmeyer <dhluckens@...> wrote:
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Hi Mark:
?
I have not had time to experiment with the new MR with redesigned stylus. But I can say that it looks promising. From what I understand from the old template design – correct me if I’m wrong – there were three
different templates for each tenon size, each minutely different in size, and the user was supposed to test which template worked best with their setup, router bit, etc, for a “good fit”. I have the impression that the stylus tolerances were not good enough
for a consistent fit, so the old system sounded good on paper but didn’t really work out in practice.
?
The new templates come in one variation for each tenon size, and the dialing in for fit is done with the stylus itself. The stylus comes with four different brass bushings which can be installed with a small
screw. Each bushing is a different size.
?
As for Neil Erasmus, he’s a master furniture maker here in Australia and very well known, both because of his work and because he has published a fair bit. He has had an MR for decades and he developed Delrin
templates with the tapered template design for his MR long before the Panto was built or pantented. I think Neil is actually being infringed upon by Panto if anything.
?
(Mark, 480 tenons. Oh boy! You want serious consistency for those!)
?
Lucky
?
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Jason, I got it from the outfit that I got the widebelt. He knows I am looking for a shaper and sent me a link to one and it was on their website just listed for $1300, I lowballed thinking he wouldn’t go
for it… oops….
Mike, now that is a smoking deal you will want to get the updated follower part from woodpeckers of you haven’t yet, check to see if it can be updated I think some of the older ones can’t be.
I don’t know if the MR is “better” than the PR, I haven’t used the PR enough yet to make a full evaluation. The MR seems to be more precise and robust for sure, you have to have a little bit of a light touch
with the PR.
I think the PR is better at template work and the MR better at one off oddball stuff and production setup runs, I haven’t run a MR in a while but I remember the template system was a little wonky, took time
to set up (compared to PR) and not adjustable (The tenons). For example the rails for shutters that I will be building will have extended tenons, 480 of them. I will need 480 slot mortises in the stiles, the MR is better suited to this task, the PR could do
it but i will be glad that I have the MR.?
As far as the MR and tenons, maybe with the updated follower mechanism the precision is better than I remember, the other thing is that I was thinking od 3d printing some tapered templates like the PR, that
would solve that issue.?
There is a Fellow in Au that makes tapered templates, Neil Erasmus (betcha Lucky knows him?)
PR has a patent on that tapered template so I wonder how he worked around that if he even knows, they are different but non novel…
?
On Jul 11, 2022, at 6:37 AM, david.r.milson@... wrote:
?On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 01:54 PM, Jason Holtz wrote:
Mark,
Good score on the Multi router. Who was foolish enough to let one go?
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765
Hey Jason
They probably upgraded from an MR to a PantoRouter!?
Cheers
David
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Hi Mark:
?
Thanks for your info. I don’t think you’re missing it. The new template system is brand new. In email exchanges with Richard Hummel, President of Woodpeckers, I’ve been told my MR is the first to be shipped
with the new system world-wide. I’m frustrated that I’ve been so busy with other things that I have yet to test the system out properly as there is a small and diminishing window to write a “first” review of the new system. Alas, such is life.
?
I do know that Richard is very motivated to improve and continue to improve the MR. I am very impressed by his approach and service to date.
?
?
Lucky, the 3 different templates are how I remember it, looks like that is how they still sell it, with no mention of the brass bushings, i must be missing it.?
As far as the patent, your right that it very well could be the other way around, the patent publication was 2019 with a priority of 2017 and an international date of 2018. Interestingly I don’t see AU listed
unless Australia has a different abbreviation?
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On Jul 11, 2022, at 8:24 PM, David Luckensmeyer <dhluckens@...> wrote:
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Hi Mark:
?
I have not had time to experiment with the new MR with redesigned stylus. But I can say that it looks promising. From what I understand from the old template design – correct me if I’m wrong – there were three
different templates for each tenon size, each minutely different in size, and the user was supposed to test which template worked best with their setup, router bit, etc, for a “good fit”. I have the impression that the stylus tolerances were not good enough
for a consistent fit, so the old system sounded good on paper but didn’t really work out in practice.
?
The new templates come in one variation for each tenon size, and the dialing in for fit is done with the stylus itself. The stylus comes with four different brass bushings which can be installed with a small
screw. Each bushing is a different size.
?
As for Neil Erasmus, he’s a master furniture maker here in Australia and very well known, both because of his work and because he has published a fair bit. He has had an MR for decades and he developed Delrin
templates with the tapered template design for his MR long before the Panto was built or pantented. I think Neil is actually being infringed upon by Panto if anything.
?
(Mark, 480 tenons. Oh boy! You want serious consistency for those!)
?
Lucky
?
?
Jason, I got it from the outfit that I got the widebelt. He knows I am looking for a shaper and sent me a link to one and it was on their website just listed for $1300, I lowballed thinking he wouldn’t go
for it… oops….
Mike, now that is a smoking deal you will want to get the updated follower part from woodpeckers of you haven’t yet, check to see if it can be updated I think some of the older ones can’t be.
I don’t know if the MR is “better” than the PR, I haven’t used the PR enough yet to make a full evaluation. The MR seems to be more precise and robust for sure, you have to have a little bit of a light touch
with the PR.
I think the PR is better at template work and the MR better at one off oddball stuff and production setup runs, I haven’t run a MR in a while but I remember the template system was a little wonky, took time
to set up (compared to PR) and not adjustable (The tenons). For example the rails for shutters that I will be building will have extended tenons, 480 of them. I will need 480 slot mortises in the stiles, the MR is better suited to this task, the PR could do
it but i will be glad that I have the MR.?
As far as the MR and tenons, maybe with the updated follower mechanism the precision is better than I remember, the other thing is that I was thinking od 3d printing some tapered templates like the PR, that
would solve that issue.?
There is a Fellow in Au that makes tapered templates, Neil Erasmus (betcha Lucky knows him?)
PR has a patent on that tapered template so I wonder how he worked around that if he even knows, they are different but non novel…
?
On Jul 11, 2022, at 6:37 AM, david.r.milson@... wrote:
?On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 01:54 PM, Jason Holtz wrote:
Mark,
Good score on the Multi router. Who was foolish enough to let one go?
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765
Hey Jason
They probably upgraded from an MR to a PantoRouter!?
Cheers
David
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Brendan,
I have a 2016 Kappa 400 x-motion and I love it.? I purchased it from a shop and am the second owner.? I did need to add the digital crosscut to the saw and a few accessories as the previous owner only used it to rip sheet goods and purchased it without some things I would want.
I got it before the crazy change in used machine pricing at the beginning of the pandemic, so I got a great deal.
I would have paid full price for a new one now that I understand the difference.? It has all the power and finesse that you would ever want and once it is aligned, it holds a setup!? I get perfection in setup without having to hassle over it.
I have heard that the basic chassis is the same (900 and kappa) but I have not validated that.? My kappa came with an analog crosscut fence (as I said) but with the larger size extrusion that works with the Felder digital stops.? The 900 saws come with a smaller extrusion when you get the analog crosscut setup.? Having the control panel above you to change everything is really nice. You can program all of your blades into it and set different kerf measurements that adjust all the other parameters as you change blades.? I have auto park for the scoring blade, which makes life easy when you choose to do scoring.
You will not be disappointed!
PK
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Hammer K3 Zero Clearance STL
Anyone know if there is a place to download a STL for a Hammer K3 ZCI?? Have a CNC and would like the ability to just bang them out as needed, not looking to sell these things.?
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Re: Zero guide and parallel guides and air clamps
It’s just a repeatable stop that you set to be exactly where the blade cuts the material off. Then you can throw it on the table and set the parallel fences to that exact point.?
I accomplish the same thing with setting to a block of wood that has just been cut, two methods to arrive at the same conclusion.
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Is this device of Sang's just a bump stop? I'm not sure I'm following how it's used or why it's any better than using the rip fence.
Jason Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: Zero guide and parallel guides and air clamps
Is this device of Sang's just a bump stop? I'm not sure I'm following how it's used or why it's any better than using the rip fence.
Jason Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Lucky, the 3 different templates are how I remember it, looks like that is how they still sell it, with no mention of the brass bushings, i must be missing it.?
As far as the patent, your right that it very well could be the other way around, the patent publication was 2019 with a priority of 2017 and an international date of 2018. Interestingly I don’t see AU listed unless Australia has a different abbreviation?
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On Jul 11, 2022, at 8:24 PM, David Luckensmeyer <dhluckens@...> wrote:
?
Hi Mark:
?
I have not had time to experiment with the new MR with redesigned stylus. But I can say that it looks promising. From what I understand from the old template design – correct me if I’m wrong – there were three
different templates for each tenon size, each minutely different in size, and the user was supposed to test which template worked best with their setup, router bit, etc, for a “good fit”. I have the impression that the stylus tolerances were not good enough
for a consistent fit, so the old system sounded good on paper but didn’t really work out in practice.
?
The new templates come in one variation for each tenon size, and the dialing in for fit is done with the stylus itself. The stylus comes with four different brass bushings which can be installed with a small
screw. Each bushing is a different size.
?
As for Neil Erasmus, he’s a master furniture maker here in Australia and very well known, both because of his work and because he has published a fair bit. He has had an MR for decades and he developed Delrin
templates with the tapered template design for his MR long before the Panto was built or pantented. I think Neil is actually being infringed upon by Panto if anything.
?
(Mark, 480 tenons. Oh boy! You want serious consistency for those!)
?
Lucky
?
?
Jason, I got it from the outfit that I got the widebelt. He knows I am looking for a shaper and sent me a link to one and it was on their website just listed for $1300, I lowballed thinking he wouldn’t go
for it… oops….
Mike, now that is a smoking deal you will want to get the updated follower part from woodpeckers of you haven’t yet, check to see if it can be updated I think some of the older ones can’t be.
I don’t know if the MR is “better” than the PR, I haven’t used the PR enough yet to make a full evaluation. The MR seems to be more precise and robust for sure, you have to have a little bit of a light touch
with the PR.
I think the PR is better at template work and the MR better at one off oddball stuff and production setup runs, I haven’t run a MR in a while but I remember the template system was a little wonky, took time
to set up (compared to PR) and not adjustable (The tenons). For example the rails for shutters that I will be building will have extended tenons, 480 of them. I will need 480 slot mortises in the stiles, the MR is better suited to this task, the PR could do
it but i will be glad that I have the MR.?
As far as the MR and tenons, maybe with the updated follower mechanism the precision is better than I remember, the other thing is that I was thinking od 3d printing some tapered templates like the PR, that
would solve that issue.?
There is a Fellow in Au that makes tapered templates, Neil Erasmus (betcha Lucky knows him?)
PR has a patent on that tapered template so I wonder how he worked around that if he even knows, they are different but non novel…
?
On Jul 11, 2022, at 6:37 AM, david.r.milson@... wrote:
?On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 01:54 PM, Jason Holtz wrote:
Mark,
Good score on the Multi router. Who was foolish enough to let one go?
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765
Hey Jason
They probably upgraded from an MR to a PantoRouter!?
Cheers
David
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Hi Brendon,?
I have the k940 and it is a nice machine, definitely a step above the 700 series unless they have changed things in the past few years.?
The chassis and saw unit is the same as the Kappa (unless that recently changed) I have had the k700s and now the k940 and I wouldn’t have anything less then a 900 series in a business and anymore than that I would be looking at other brands - thats me, there are other opinions out there.
I have DRO on xcut (2stops) and rip which I highly recommend and power drive another winner (actually I think its standard on the 940 as well as the overhead guard ). I have the end of slide switch which I rarely use but I don’t do a lot of sheet goods plus I typically turn on the saw before i load anyways. It was a $750 option and I wasn’t going to get it but when all the other options were added it was like $300 so I figured why not.
But the main option I absolutely love is the auto score feature, if you will be using the saw exclusively for sheet goods then maybe not because the scoring would always be set but if you go back and forth between sheet goods and solid it’s great , no grabbing a nut driver to raise lower the scoring.?
9’ min slide, 10’ if you have the space.?
I believe you can get the powered fence on the k940 but they will push you into the Kappa, i would get pricing for both just to see. After lots of quotes for several machines I find (at least with Felder) that it’s worth while to get a quote with what you want (duh) and the nice to have’s + 1 step up machine wise, I was surprised (most of the time) of how much the price on the options came down as you added them and sometimes not to much to go to the next level.?
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On Jul 12, 2022, at 10:24 AM, brendan.karlstad@... wrote:
? Hey,?
I am a relatively new member, I joined around a year ago. ?I haven’t posted yet but have enjoyed all the information/banter being shared. ?Definitely entertaining and informative.
?I have a Dual51 and have not regretted the purchase whatsoever. ?That being said, I am now looking at getting a K940 (maybe looking at a Kappa 400) and wondering what people think about those machines and if anyone has any advice. ? I would plan on getting power drive with digital display for blade height and angle. ?Also digital rip fence and stops for outrigger table. ?Any advice from people who have one of those machines would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
Brendan Karlstad
Karlstad Woodwork LLC
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Hey,?
I am a relatively new member, I joined around a year ago. ?I haven’t posted yet but have enjoyed all the information/banter being shared. ?Definitely entertaining and informative.
?I have a Dual51 and have not regretted the purchase whatsoever. ?That being said, I am now looking at getting a K940 (maybe looking at a Kappa 400) and wondering what people think about those machines and if anyone has any advice. ? I would plan on getting power drive with digital display for blade height and angle. ?Also digital rip fence and stops for outrigger table. ?Any advice from people who have one of those machines would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
Brendan Karlstad
Karlstad Woodwork LLC
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