Re: KF700 Cast Iron/Slider Flatness Check
Imran,
I see a scraping class in your future.??
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Hi Imran
? ? ? It is 230v single phase, I do not know how to tell if the electric brake is working.
If I disengage the infeed drive , the motor will work just sometimes, but if I remove the drive belt from the pulley the motor works every time
Keith
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Keith,
Not sure what is happening but few pieces of info may help. Single phase or 3 phase? Is electric brake working, load or no load?
Imran
On Mar 14, 2021, at 6:40 AM, keithturner01@... wrote:
?My planer /jointer has just developed a problem.
When I start the machine up the head starts to turn then stalls and starts a growling noise (for want of a better word) ,the motor overheats and cuts out.
I have taken the drive belt off and the motor works fine, I checked the head and it seems fine, bearings turn freely and no play. When I reinstall the drive belt stalls again. i.e motor do not seem to work under load, Any ideas Keith
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Colin
If I disengage the infeed the motor works sometimes, but other times just makes a growling noise
It is single phase 230v
Keith
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Hi Keith,
Have you got the feed engaged for thicknesser/planer, when this happens?.
Colin
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My planer /jointer has just developed a problem.
When I start the machine up the head starts to turn then stalls and starts a growling noise (for want of a better word) ,the motor overheats and cuts out.
I have taken the drive belt off and the motor works fine, I checked the head and it seems fine, bearings turn freely and no play. When I reinstall the drive belt stalls again. i.e motor do not seem to work under load, Any ideas Keith
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Re: Leverlock tape measures
If you value your time fixing a tape is negative! I tend to use different tapes for different thinks milwaukee big clunky things for construction and I hate tapes that are mm inch measurement is always on wrong side ! I use mm only for cabinet and case making. Biggest problem with tape measure rd is finding them!!!? Designing and building for 50 years
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On Mar 14, 2021, at 8:31 AM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:
? Fred, it's less about the blade stiffness and more about the locking mechanisms failing over time, especially the leverlock/autolock?styles.
Brian and David B., thanks for the recommendations, I hadn't considered those options but will in the future.
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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Re: power package for KF700
I have no idea, I just know that the electronics can be a source of failure points. Witness all the failed brake boards lately¡ and blown capacitors. I don¡¯t find the hand cranking of the saw or shaper to be a big issue, it¡¯s not that many turns and for me the dial indicators in the hand wheels have been extremely reliable and accurate.
The jointer/planer is where I see the value of the powered up and down, my shoulders and elbows scream in agony every time I have to change over.
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On Mar 13, 2021, at 7:34 PM, David Luckensmeyer < dhluckens@...> wrote:
It¡¯s a good point Brian but I¡¯ve never gone a ¡°down¡± day either with my 16 year old Dual 51 with digi drive. Maybe the KF electronics are not as robust? On 14 Mar 2021, at 11:28 am, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? I find that manual with the hand wheel indicators works just fine on the saw and shaper. I would want power up and down on the J/P. My machines are over 20 years old now and never been down a day because my saw or shaper won¡¯t go up and down¡.
On Mar 13, 2021, at 3:21 PM, Acharya Kumarnathaswami < kumar@...> wrote:
I am nearing the point of purchase for a new KF 700, and one remaining question I have is whether to add the power features for the shaper and saw units.
Any advice from you pros and afficianados on this? Use is as a "hobbyist" rather than a professional shop. Thanks!?
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Re: Leverlock tape measures
Fred, it's less about the blade stiffness and more about the locking mechanisms failing over time, especially the leverlock/autolock?styles.
Brian and David B., thanks for the recommendations, I hadn't considered those options but will in the future.
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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Re: KF700 Cast Iron/Slider Flatness Check
Enlighten? I don't follow.?
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Keith,
Not sure what is happening but few pieces of info may help. Single phase or 3 phase? Is electric brake working, load or no load?
Imran
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On Mar 14, 2021, at 6:40 AM, keithturner01@... wrote: ?My planer /jointer has just developed a problem.
When I start the machine up the head starts to turn then stalls and starts a growling noise (for want of a better word) ,the motor overheats and cuts out.
I have taken the drive belt off and the motor works fine, I checked the head and it seems fine, bearings turn freely and no play. When I reinstall the drive belt stalls again. i.e motor do not seem to work under load, Any ideas Keith
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Hi Keith, Have you got the feed engaged for thicknesser/planer, when this happens?. Colin ? Sent from for Windows 10 ?
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From: keithturner01@...Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2021 6:40 PM To: [email protected]Subject: [FOG] Felder AD 531 ? My planer /jointer has just developed a problem.
When I start the machine up the head starts to turn then stalls and starts a growling noise (for want of a better word) ,the motor overheats and cuts out.
I have taken the drive belt off and the motor works fine, I checked the head and it seems fine, bearings turn freely and no play. When I reinstall the drive belt stalls again. i.e motor do not seem to work under load, Any ideas Keith
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My planer /jointer has just developed a problem.
When I start the machine up the head starts to turn then stalls and starts a growling noise (for want of a better word) ,the motor overheats and cuts out.
I have taken the drive belt off and the motor works fine, I checked the head and it seems fine, bearings turn freely and no play. When I reinstall the drive belt stalls again. i.e motor do not seem to work under load, Any ideas Keith
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Re: Leverlock tape measures
How stiff is the blade?? Can it handle an unsupported measure of 10-12'? Thanks,? Fred
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Re: Leverlock tape measures
I have three of these Starrett tape measures, and the locking systems have held up for years:
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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Esteemed members, I'm coming to you with a serious case of frustration over cheap tape measure repairs. I'm cheap and I want more out of my tape measures. My leverlocks from Stanley and Fastcap seem to lose friction with regularity despite disassembly, cleaning, and sometimes shimming to increase spring pressure. They always slip again sooner than later. Who knows the secret to the fountain of tape-measure-youth?
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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Re: power package for KF700
The electronic controls and mechanical positioning systems for height and tilt are identical across all ¡°PowerDrive¡± equipped saws and shapers. ?J/P planer table elevation is a different beast. ?The saw/shaper PowerDrive systems have been in production over 15 years and have proven to be fairly reliable. ?I know of three failure reports of the electronic control board, including my own Profil 45, and all were corrected with a board replacement and phone support.
PowerDrive is one of those things you can not add later, so think through how you intend to use the machine and your tolerance level for hand-cranked systems. ?The risks of electronic spares 20 years out has been discussed here many times, so search the archives if that¡¯s your brand of paranoia. ?Personally, I would prioritize shaper spindle height as top priority for PowerDrive, followed closely by saw arbor tilt, but those priorities have a lot to do with the type of projects I do.
The accuracy issues that have been reported here on the Profil 45 are related to the xMotion version and stored tooling setup libraries. ?
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I have just blade elevation on K975 and I do not like not having a precise control or a DRO. I like powerdrive on my J/P where I can make a quick change fast and then advance by .01mm or 0.005mil.
If the budget is limited IMHO, most bang for the buck is getting powerdrive for the shaper elevation. I have read here that it loses calibration on Profil (at least the older models) but not sure if that is true for KF700. I would certainly make sure of that before taking that step.
Imran On Mar 13, 2021, at 5:21 PM, Acharya Kumarnathaswami < kumar@...> wrote: ?I am nearing the point of purchase for a new KF 700, and one remaining question I have is whether to add the power features for the shaper and saw units.
Any advice from you pros and afficianados on this? Use is as a "hobbyist" rather than a professional shop. Thanks!?
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Re: KF700 Cast Iron/Slider Flatness Check
Perhaps enlighten us Chris?
It is Chris right? This forum is much smaller than most, and it¡¯s nice to confirm your name please.?
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On 14 Mar 2021, at 11:52 am, chrjparks@... wrote:
?I often see a reply such as Mark made and my next question is to ask what tolerance is too much. I think the statement itself opens up a minefield of guesswork.?
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Re: power package for KF700
It¡¯s a good point Brian but I¡¯ve never gone a ¡°down¡± day either with my 16 year old Dual 51 with digi drive. Maybe the KF electronics are not as robust?
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On 14 Mar 2021, at 11:28 am, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? I find that manual with the hand wheel indicators works just fine on the saw and shaper. I would want power up and down on the J/P. My machines are over 20 years old now and never been down a day because my saw or shaper won¡¯t go up and down¡.
On Mar 13, 2021, at 3:21 PM, Acharya Kumarnathaswami < kumar@...> wrote:
I am nearing the point of purchase for a new KF 700, and one remaining question I have is whether to add the power features for the shaper and saw units.
Any advice from you pros and afficianados on this? Use is as a "hobbyist" rather than a professional shop. Thanks!?
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Re: KF700 Cast Iron/Slider Flatness Check
Well, I always check each machine so I am aware of any flaws however minor. On my K975, first 6¡¯ of my slider (from infeed end) are perfect, elevation wise. The rest is fine too but I use that part for any burried xcuts.
I did not document my previous checks well and now that I have time, FWIW, I wanted to have a record.
I think my machine checks fine but as I suspected, based upon past observations, the slider did tilt outwards some, when I installed the xcut fence and then some more when I installed the small table I have, in lieu of outrigger.?
At the cast iron side, slider rises 4mils with xcut fence and another 4 mils with table. It is good to know this. I am not going to make any adjustments (unless I get advice I cannot ignore) but being aware of this, I will make sure that the spindle is 90 deg to the material when doing critical cross profiling.
Imran?
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On Mar 13, 2021, at 8:52 PM, chrjparks@... wrote: ?I often see a reply such as Mark made and my next question is to ask what tolerance is too much. I think the statement itself opens up a minefield of guesswork.?
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Re: power package for KF700
Acharya, I will have to agree with Imran, The power drive on the J/P is great, No fussing around when you do multiple passes as you know where you are at the last.
as he said, If you on a budget I would make the shaper the most important tool to have it on, i have the Profil X motion and have not been able to find in accuracy in the settings but again I dont have the best tools to check and I do test cuts anyways and the power drive is great for quick adjustments.
And again to Imran, I would try to get some info on the accuracy of maintaining settings, but who knows if you will get a real answer.
I bought a bunch of Felder machines a couple years ago and I am completely happy. I have some minor issues that need to be dealt with and David Best has shared great videos to me to work on the issues, and I will when it gets warmer in the shop. I am not mechanical at all but I will try.
I would say that the only thing I would think about in you purchase is to review all the upgrades that cannot be added later, and review that close. You really don't want to end up with a " I wish I, I should have" situation. It only hurts once and I can say that because it's your money. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
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On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 2:46 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: I have just blade elevation on K975 and I do not like not having a precise control or a DRO. I like powerdrive on my J/P where I can make a quick change fast and then advance by .01mm or 0.005mil.
If the budget is limited IMHO, most bang for the buck is getting powerdrive for the shaper elevation. I have read here that it loses calibration on Profil (at least the older models) but not sure if that is true for KF700. I would certainly make sure of that before taking that step.
Imran On Mar 13, 2021, at 5:21 PM, Acharya Kumarnathaswami < kumar@...> wrote: ?I am nearing the point of purchase for a new KF 700, and one remaining question I have is whether to add the power features for the shaper and saw units.
Any advice from you pros and afficianados on this? Use is as a "hobbyist" rather than a professional shop. Thanks!?
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Re: KF700 Cast Iron/Slider Flatness Check
My only practical response to making up for inadequate?tools is how much does it cost to correct the deficit? In most wood stuff, if you can hit 0.1mm (0.004"), that's a sheet of printer paper, and a quick sanding cures it if it's even noticeable. Even being off 1mm is still 1/25" of an inch. I find the wood itself is always more problematic than the machines in its movement AFTER the cuts. If you can reference one side to be the "flush" faces of joints and the rest to compensate, it's the best way I've figured out to deal with excess tolerance in machines, my own deficient techniques, or the damned wood moving later. I know of shops that cut EVERY SIDE they mill a minimum of 1/8" oversize and rely on their sanders to take care of final dimensions at the end of the workflow. They can't be bothered by minutia, nor spell that word, lol, and their work looks stellar.
I often see a reply such as Mark made and my next question is to ask what tolerance is too much. I think the statement itself opens up a minefield of guesswork.?
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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Re: KF700 Cast Iron/Slider Flatness Check
I often see a reply such as Mark made and my next question is to ask what tolerance is too much. I think the statement itself opens up a minefield of guesswork.?
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Re: Leverlock tape measures
The only one I¡¯ve found to lock solidly with many years of use has been a Starrett tape measure I have. All the others start slipping after a year or so.
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One of the kids got it for me for Christmas many years ago, never used the digital function after the battery went dead, but it¡¯s been a great tape.
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Esteemed members, I'm coming to you with a serious case of frustration over cheap tape measure repairs. I'm cheap and I want more out of my tape measures. My leverlocks from Stanley and Fastcap seem to lose friction with regularity despite disassembly, cleaning, and sometimes shimming to increase spring pressure. They always slip again sooner than later. Who knows the secret to the fountain of tape-measure-youth?
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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