Re: The Annex workshop addition
I have a 30+ year old Clark stand up, ride on electric lift. It's very compact and will lift 3500#. I paid $500 for it 5 years ago when we moved from a dock height building to a drive in building. It's 1500# battery immediately took a shit after the move. A rebuilt battery was in the neighborhood of $3K, which we couldn't justify for the occasional use that it sees. Instead, we got 4 Interstate deep cycle 6V batteries and made a tray to mount them on the overhead protection cage. The original battery is critical for ballast so we couldn't remove that and put these relatively lightweight batteries in its place. It will lift my heaviest machines, and all the crated furniture I send out. It makes putting lumber in the rack 16' up pretty easy too. I charge it like every other month maybe, and it always does what I ask of it. It leaks some hydraulic fluid on the floor, but for the $1300 I've got into it, it's long since paid for itself. Maybe I'll get to that leak someday.
Jason Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Mark – ’Well, I didn’t use a micrometer of course (a very wise sage once told me that you use a micrometer for metal working, and a yardstick for woodworking), but a quick look
with a tape measure indicated that the horizontal projection of the PF bracket from the machine is just under 12 ?” (more like 12 3/16”).??
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Hope that helps.?
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B/T/W – The sage I mentioned above was not Brian, though Brian’s advice and wisdom have always been spot-on!?
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On Behalf Of Mark Kessler
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 10:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [FOG] PF Bracket on AD 941
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Skip, good to get confirmation-was concerned my memory was starting to fail me... that sucker looks like it sticks out quite a bit - don’t bother measuring but whats your guess, 12”- 18”?
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Thanks, Skip.? I'll give Jesse a call.
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On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 9:28 PM Averman, Ed (FAA) via <Ed.Averman=[email protected]> wrote:
Dave –
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It came pre-drilled because I ordered it that way.? The Felder Catalog/Book shows a “Power feeder mount” for an
AD/A 951, Format-4/dual 51 (Part No. 430-112) under Power feeders accessories (page 465 in my book).? From the picture, it is a different mounting bracket than mine, and I do not know what my part number is.? Mine appears to be shaped similar to the
Hammer tilt away device (Part No 501-127) (same page in the book), but that clearly is not it.?
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I ordered mine through Jesse at Felder Delaware, and he knew what to spec for the machine.? It is definitely heavy/sturdy!?
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[email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of David Davies
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 9:43 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] PF Bracket on AD 941
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Did you have to drill the mounting holes in your AD941 or did it come with them predrilled?? Thanks for the pictures.
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On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 8:41 PM Averman, Ed (FAA) via
<Ed.Averman=[email protected]> wrote:
Well – I just received what I sent, and all pics are oriented
correctly.? Kind of makes my explanation below nonsensical since you won’t see the mis-orientation that was on my screen before I sent the email.?
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Oh well!?
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Dave et. al.? --?
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Here’s pics of my
Felder Power Feeder bracket and how it mounts on my AD 941.? You can see that you have to remove both Left and Right access panels.? Only the Right panel is removed for bolt access in the photos.?
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Apologies for the mis-orientation of the pics – sometimes they show up that way, and sometimes they appear correctly.?
?I sent them from my i phone.? ?Even when pics are rotated wrongly on my screen, they appear right-side up (sometimes) on a recipient’s screen.? ?So, I can’t say what you might see.?? What’s even weirder, yesterday I tried twice to send a picture to
this computer and to another.? The same picture rotated 90 degrees on this one and appeared correctly on the other.? A companion picture showed up correctly oriented on this one.? Maybe it is operator error, but the results seem to be random even when I do
the process exactly the same way.?
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Anyway, ‘hope this helps!?? B/T/W – The mounting system for those access panels is really squirrely IMHO!?
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Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Re: AD941 vs. Baileigh JP-1898-NC
PK, you will be very happy with the ad941 - I am, I originally was going with the 741 but it was only like 1k at the time to make the jump and wanted a 4 post planer.?
I to have a small space and do not have room for separates - someday that will change and I will switch it up.?
Once setup properly it will yield very good results
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?Gents, I really do appreciate all of your advice!? This kind of experience is priceless!? I have been doing woodworking for many years.? Worked in a production custom entry door shop for a while before before I dove into the career.? I am just an enthusiast.? Some day when I retire, this will be my gig.? I have a 20x20 shop at this point dedicated to woodworking.? This is way beyond what I NEED and really over what I should buy.? I really don't have the space for two large machines.? This is a one time tool for me.? One and done.? I am lucky to be able to be a little frivolous with the purchase, so I think I am going to take advantage of this sale. I always wanted to stay with single phase, I know the long term advantage of 3 phase, just not there mentally yet, unless a bargain appeared. Here is what I have now for large machines in this little space (still in remodel mode or I would share pics): CWI 37" double drum sander 7.5hp single phase Laguna TSS (2005) 5hp with scoring (will replace someday with something nicer) Laguna LT16HD bandsaw - keeper Laguna 3hp shaper - so far it is ok...? huge bargain Onieda 3hp Dust gorrila cyclone - keeper (in a separate room next to the 20x20) Nova Voyager drill press - keeper Steel City 8" wedgebed jointer - dear lord this has to go...? some bargains are just headaches Delta 785x 15" jointer with a shelix head - is is good, but has issues with age So:
- I would love to have two large separate machines - just cannot swing the space
- Would love to have a Dual 51 - just cannot justify the price for what I do
- The choice for the AD941 comes down to the best I can do in a single phase format.
- I want to replace my current Jointer & planer with something much nicer
- I would like to replace the laguna TSS and Shaper someday with something like a KF700P and keep on the Felder plan
Anyway...? My rant for today Love to hear any and all feedback for you all! PK
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Re: AD941 vs. Baileigh JP-1898-NC
Gents, I really do appreciate all of your advice!? This kind of experience is priceless!? I have been doing woodworking for many years.? Worked in a production custom entry door shop for a while before before I dove into the career.? I am just an enthusiast.? Some day when I retire, this will be my gig.? I have a 20x20 shop at this point dedicated to woodworking.? This is way beyond what I NEED and really over what I should buy.? I really don't have the space for two large machines.? This is a one time tool for me.? One and done.? I am lucky to be able to be a little frivolous with the purchase, so I think I am going to take advantage of this sale. I always wanted to stay with single phase, I know the long term advantage of 3 phase, just not there mentally yet, unless a bargain appeared. Here is what I have now for large machines in this little space (still in remodel mode or I would share pics): CWI 37" double drum sander 7.5hp single phase Laguna TSS (2005) 5hp with scoring (will replace someday with something nicer) Laguna LT16HD bandsaw - keeper Laguna 3hp shaper - so far it is ok...? huge bargain Onieda 3hp Dust gorrila cyclone - keeper (in a separate room next to the 20x20) Nova Voyager drill press - keeper Steel City 8" wedgebed jointer - dear lord this has to go...? some bargains are just headaches Delta 785x 15" jointer with a shelix head - is is good, but has issues with age So:
- I would love to have two large separate machines - just cannot swing the space
- Would love to have a Dual 51 - just cannot justify the price for what I do
- The choice for the AD941 comes down to the best I can do in a single phase format.
- I want to replace my current Jointer & planer with something much nicer
- I would like to replace the laguna TSS and Shaper someday with something like a KF700P and keep on the Felder plan
Anyway...? My rant for today Love to hear any and all feedback for you all! PK
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Re: The Annex workshop addition
Wow Bill, that sounds pretty ideal! ?Best of both worlds. ?Caribou- while I have never been there, I imagine is quite lovely this time of year. ?
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On 07/29/2020, at 8:57 PM, Bill Bélanger < Bllblngr@...> wrote:
We live in Caribou Maine ( The other Maine ) summers, travel in the Motorhome to Tucson AZ for the winter where I have smaller but newer shop, back in spring.?
Bill Belanger? On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 8:41 PM Anthony Quesada < tonymiga2@...> wrote: David Kumm- have I ever been there!!? If I get an electric jack I will remember that tip until I say “I bet David’s gravel wasn’t compacted quite as hard as mine.? I can definitely move this load just over there”? followed two minutes later when the jack gets stuck…? “Nope I guess he was right” ?
Brian Lamb- wow that would be scary with a sinking fork and some expensive load teeter- tottering.? As I was sinking into the asphalt I was wondering what people did in the south and southwest.? Thanks for informing me.? ?
Bill- ? My dad has a lathe in the existing barn so I think I am all set, but thank you for thinking of me.? I’m trying to remember from all the reading I did on the forum, but are you a full timer in Maine? ? ?
David Best-? oh no, I hate to hear that talk of Actuarial Tables, my dad does that all the time.? Tables aside, your underground Bruce Wayne machining center sounds so fun.? I would be obsessed with watching that project come to life.? LOL. ? ?
The electric walk behind stacker is very very appealing and of course you make it more useful with the remote cord!? I imagine you will sell it before I get this shop completed, but if it is still available in 2021 I could certainly be interested.? Thank you for the suggestion and the well wishes on the project.? Stay safe and prove those actuarial tables wrong LOL ?
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Re: The Annex workshop addition
We live in Caribou Maine ( The other Maine ) summers, travel in the Motorhome to Tucson AZ for the winter where I have smaller but newer shop, back in spring.?
On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 8:41 PM Anthony Quesada < tonymiga2@...> wrote: David Kumm- have I ever been there!!? If I get an electric jack I will remember that tip until I say “I bet David’s gravel wasn’t compacted quite as hard as mine.? I can definitely move this load just over there”? followed two minutes later when the jack gets stuck…? “Nope I guess he was right”
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Brian Lamb- wow that would be scary with a sinking fork and some expensive load teeter- tottering.? As I was sinking into the asphalt I was wondering what people did in the south and southwest.? Thanks for informing me.?
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Bill- ? My dad has a lathe in the existing barn so I think I am all set, but thank you for thinking of me.? I’m trying to remember from all the reading I did on the forum, but are you a full timer in Maine? ?
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David Best-? oh no, I hate to hear that talk of Actuarial Tables, my dad does that all the time.? Tables aside, your underground Bruce Wayne machining center sounds so fun.? I would be obsessed with watching that project come to life.? LOL. ?
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The electric walk behind stacker is very very appealing and of course you make it more useful with the remote cord!? I imagine you will sell it before I get this shop completed, but if it is still available in 2021 I could certainly be interested.? Thank you for the suggestion and the well wishes on the project.? Stay safe and prove those actuarial tables wrong LOL
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Re: AD941 vs. Baileigh JP-1898-NC
and agree on paying for the commissioning i bought 5 machines and not being to a level of D.B. it was a no choice option for me.? they have been here twice now and going to make a third trip for a few issues. Un like your experience mark< mine has been pretty damn good. But it sounds like your finally getting yours worked out.
Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 257 ?????????? Avery, CA. 95224 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 650-678-3137 LIC # 707507
Also don’t forget to add 1k for?commissioning unless you like rolling the dice or at least comfortable with making your own adjustments.?
Also jumping to the 951 is like $3500 min and 3p only...? On Jul 29, 2020, at 7:35 PM, Bill Bélanger <Bllblngr@...> wrote:
? When I was considering the 941-951 my salesman told me I didn’t need the 951. So for some people it might be overkill. Just sayin...
Bill Belanger?
If you need an AD941 then you might as well get the 951. 951 is alot more machine than 941.
I was in similar situation 2 years ago and I went with 951, silent cutter etc. never looked back.?
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Re: Joe in New Orleans is selling everything in his shop
Sharing my recent shipping story - I just took delivery of my CF531 and was given the spiel by my sales rep about inspecting for shipping damage, etc.
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When the crate arrived, it was in perfect external condition. When I started unloading it, I noticed that one of the cardboard accessory boxes that was chucked (my word for it) into crate had laid against the machine and had rubbed through
the paint. After getting the thing off the pallet and starting to look it over I noticed that the two bolts that hold the riving knife mount onto the lifting mechanism were loose, which caused the belt guard to rub against the motor pulley, again causing paint
damage to the belt guard.
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Whose fault is this? In my opinion, Felder’s. I think my CF531 was inadequately packed – the machine should have been wrapped, and all loose boxes should have been tied down. If I was a shipping company and somebody tried to hit me with
the above claim I would tell them to take a long walk off a short pier. If a machine is fragile, it should be shock mounted on the pallet – not a difficult thing to do. They know what riding on a truck is like, and $20 worth of extra packing material and 10
more minutes would save everybody a lot of hassle.
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RE dropping the crate – there are package force sensors (and tip sensors) that Felder could put on to objectively identify excessive force.
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Felder is taking care of me, so other than being annoyed about a cruddy packing job and some cosmetic damage that will be solved by paint, it’s not the end of the world.
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i insured my saw, $25K for $25. in reality it only works for catostrophic damage because sometimes it is not obvious if crate was dropped with no external damage.
in order to cover oneself smallest amount of detail needs to be noted upon delivery. i failed to do this but not sure if i could have made a claim on the slider box being upside down because right side up was not written on the box.
one of the double 2x skids came off from the bottom so they turned the box over. not sure if the bearing cage broke due to this or not. in my case i did not get to the slider for months on the account of being out of the country.
in hindsight it would be good that besides indicating right side up that all other sides are flat so it is not possible to get under the box.
On Jul 29, 2020, at 12:29 PM, Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...> wrote:
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I did. ?I have not yet shipped something valuable. Seems like I would want a direct truck for but I seems you can’t really insure for damage or if you do you can’t
collect
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On Behalf Of bacchus6015 via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:14 AM
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Subject: Re: [FOG] Joe in New Orleans is selling everything in his shop
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Joe,
Did you get the list of what is included with the shaper?
I can photos if you like?
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Joe, hope you are ok.? Can you send me details on the Shaper and what’s included?
All,
I am selling my shop and moving out of my building. ?For those of you who don't know I made European style doors and windows, tilt and turn windows and rebate doors with Anuba type hinges and multipoint locking. ?My machines did not get a lot of use and the
use they did get was gentle. ?I can supply photos and descriptions if anyone has questions. ?
Crating and shipping are extra. ?
I have bought many items listed on the FOG and benefited greatly from the knowledge shared here. ?I hope others can benefit from my shop sale by acquiring items at great prices!
I attached the list of sale items. ?
Joe in New Orleans
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Re: AD941 vs. Baileigh JP-1898-NC
I originally was going to get the 931 I think it was, and comparing the 931 to the 941, the build was better, table easier to lift and it was 1k more at that time. I am not sure if the 951 was out yet but had to draw the line somewhere. I was told by David B and others back then to get separates if possible and I did not. I should have listened and did not.. I seriously regret not doing so now. I can assure you that there is a stand alone planer very near in my future. I stepped up in machines from where I started looking at the entry level Felders. I believe it was the KF700 and ended up with a Kappa 400 and the profil 45. It was A big step up , but I knew enough not to go cheap and regret it. That being said I am very happy with the machines including the 941, And yes I have some issues but I am going to put a lot of that on the operator. I haven't done much programming and presetting up cutterheads and blades yet but I think I did it a few times and just can't remember what I did. Bottom line is buy what you really want, You only cut that check once. Or maybe end up disappointed in your choices. I am in that case for not getting separates as I was advised to do. Glen
One more thing, Don't gloss over the options while some are not cheap some are. There were a lot of options that I really thought I did not need but turned out that are great to have. Also Felder does do a preset machine build with a lot preset options lower than the cost of said machine and added options. The machine is not actually built so you can add more stuff if you want. That was the path I took and added to and was a better price had I started from scratch.
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 257 ?????????? Avery, CA. 95224 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 650-678-3137 LIC # 707507
On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 4:35 PM Bill Bélanger < Bllblngr@...> wrote: When I was considering the 941-951 my salesman told me I didn’t need the 951. So for some people it might be overkill. Just sayin...
Bill Belanger?
If you need an AD941 then you might as well get the 951. 951 is alot more machine than 941.
I was in similar situation 2 years ago and I went with 951, silent cutter etc. never looked back.?
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Re: The Annex workshop addition
David Kumm- have I ever been there!! ?If I get an electric jack I will remember that tip until I say “I bet David’s gravel wasn’t compacted quite as hard as mine. ?I can definitely move this load just over there”? followed two minutes later when the jack gets stuck…? “Nope I guess he was right”
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Brian Lamb- wow that would be scary with a sinking fork and some expensive load teeter- tottering.? As I was sinking into the asphalt I was wondering what people did in the south and southwest.? Thanks for informing me.?
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Bill- ? My dad has a lathe in the existing barn so I think I am all set, but thank you for thinking of me.? I’m trying to remember from all the reading I did on the forum, but are you a full timer in Maine? ?
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David Best-? oh no, I hate to hear that talk of Actuarial Tables, my dad does that all the time.? Tables aside, your underground Bruce Wayne machining center sounds so fun.? I would be obsessed with watching that project come to life.? LOL. ?
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The electric walk behind stacker is very very appealing and of course you make it more useful with the remote cord!? I imagine you will sell it before I get this shop completed, but if it is still available in 2021 I could certainly be interested.? Thank you for the suggestion and the well wishes on the project.? Stay safe and prove those actuarial tables wrong LOL
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Re: Joe in New Orleans is selling everything in his shop
Bond Performance, bond? I accidentally left the world bond
out?? you can also call it a surety bond.
On 7/29/20 1:29 PM, Joe Jensen wrote:
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On 7/29/20 1:29 PM, Joe Jensen wrote:
I seems you can’t really
insure for damage or if you do you can’t collect
Call your? insurance agent? and ask about?? a rider? or
performance and to cover shipping and delivery.? This is normal
stuff for the industry
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Re: AD941 vs. Baileigh JP-1898-NC
Also don’t forget to add 1k for?commissioning unless you like rolling the dice or at least comfortable with making your own adjustments.?
Also jumping to the 951 is like $3500 min and 3p only...?
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? When I was considering the 941-951 my salesman told me I didn’t need the 951. So for some people it might be overkill. Just sayin...
Bill Belanger?
If you need an AD941 then you might as well get the 951. 951 is alot more machine than 941.
I was in similar situation 2 years ago and I went with 951, silent cutter etc. never looked back.?
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Re: Hammer B3 electrical problem
#hammer
capacitors are cheap,? replace them.? I'd? had good luck
replacing cheap parts? as the go to fix-it method? over the years
when ever I'm in over? my head.
On 7/29/20 9:31 AM, sam via groups.io
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Hello all? - first off I completely understand if nobody has the
time to look over this one and probably requires a fairly indepth
knowledge of how the Hammer combination machines electrics are
setup.
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So, my Hammer B3 (single phase, 2005, teal paint) has become
poorly. Working fine up until Saturday (with one minor quirk
regarding braking). It?currently trips the breaker
instantaneously upon starting the machine. Likely significant that
this occurs in any mode switch position (on the
B3 that is shaper or table saw). The first time trying to restart
it there was a very short buzz (~0.5s) from the motor and the
breaker went, all subsequent starts there have been no buzzes, no
clicks, instant trip.
Initial thought was the table saw motor windings had worn past a
critical point due to a stall the day before (which did at the
time throw the thermal switch on the machine itself), but I have
since tried the machine in shaper mode (which of course should
swap the circuit over to the other motor) but shows the same
issue. Instant trip.
I've investigated both start and run capacitors for faults but
both appear to be as they should be (capacitance reading is bang
on, not shorted etc.), unsure if there is more to testing a
capacitor however.
There's another recent discussion on here about a C3-31 with
electrical problems related to the brake (and resolved by
replacing the brake module) but can't quite match the symptoms,
notably mine appears to trip instantly.
Is there any potential for the brake to somehow be engaged during
startup? A sticky relay etc? May be rather specific knowledge but,
would anyone be able to describe a procedure for safely
eliminating the brake as a factor?
As it is, not sure where to start with diagnosis as the above
would seem to imply the issue is not with the motor or (shared)
capacitors.
The quirk with braking mentioned above that may indicate something
to someone with more knowledge than me, is that it would: 50% of
the time work fine, 25% of the time it would engage for a shorter
period than necessary, 25% of the time it wouldn't engage at all
and spin freely.
Any further information or photos anyone may need I'm sure I can
provide.
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Re: AD941 vs. Baileigh JP-1898-NC
When I was considering the 941-951 my salesman told me I didn’t need the 951. So for some people it might be overkill. Just sayin...
Bill Belanger?
If you need an AD941 then you might as well get the 951. 951 is alot more machine than 941.
I was in similar situation 2 years ago and I went with 951, silent cutter etc. never looked back.?
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Re: Aigner Distometer up alternative?
joe said, he did that procedure before he purchased profil.
imran
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On Jul 29, 2020, at 6:23 PM, Albert Lee <timbershelf@...> wrote: ?hi Joe
Thought Profil45 has everything automated and controlled via a control panel, why would you need the fencing measuring device??
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Re: Aigner Distometer up alternative?
hi Joe
Thought Profil45 has everything automated and controlled via a control panel, why would you need the fencing measuring device??
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Re: AD941 vs. Baileigh JP-1898-NC
If you need an AD941 then you might as well get the 951. 951 is alot more machine than 941.
I was in similar situation 2 years ago and I went with 951, silent cutter etc. never looked back.?
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Re: Hammer B3 electrical problem
#hammer
Sorry, I forgot to mention that the capacitors must be removed from circuit if you are testing the capacitance using a multimeter as you may be measuring multiple capacitors and/or other components that also have some capacitance at the same time. ?Not necessarily so with an esr meter.
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On Jul 29, 2020, at 6:24 PM, Steve via groups.io <junkhouse1@...> wrote:
? It may still be bad capacitors. ?Just because the capacitance is good, they still need to be checked for ESR and leakage. ?Google these parameters and you will find the explanations.?
Hope this helps.
Steve On Jul 29, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Roger S <rsinden@...> wrote:
? Hi Sam
I’m basing this on a looksie of the Hammer C3-31 single phase circuitry but the thing is that the run and start capacitors are shared between the motors. ?IE there is just the one set of capacitors and so it;s there I’d look at first of all. ?I’ve not had time to se how the brake module works on a single phase but my mney is on one or other or both of those two capacitors.
Let us know how you get on
Roger
On 29 Jul 2020, at 14:31, sam via < sam@...> wrote:
Hello all? - first off I completely understand if nobody has the time to look over this one and probably requires a fairly indepth knowledge of how the Hammer combination machines electrics are setup.
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So, my Hammer B3 (single phase, 2005, teal paint) has become poorly. Working fine up until Saturday (with one minor quirk regarding braking). It?currently trips the breaker instantaneously upon starting the machine. Likely significant that this occurs in any mode switch position (on the B3 that is shaper or table saw). The first time trying to restart it there was a very short buzz (~0.5s) from the motor and the breaker went, all subsequent starts there have been no buzzes, no clicks, instant trip.
Initial thought was the table saw motor windings had worn past a critical point due to a stall the day before (which did at the time throw the thermal switch on the machine itself), but I have since tried the machine in shaper mode (which of course should swap the circuit over to the other motor) but shows the same issue. Instant trip.
I've investigated both start and run capacitors for faults but both appear to be as they should be (capacitance reading is bang on, not shorted etc.), unsure if there is more to testing a capacitor however.
There's another recent discussion on here about a C3-31 with electrical problems related to the brake (and resolved by replacing the brake module) but can't quite match the symptoms, notably mine appears to trip instantly.
Is there any potential for the brake to somehow be engaged during startup? A sticky relay etc? May be rather specific knowledge but, would anyone be able to describe a procedure for safely eliminating the brake as a factor?
As it is, not sure where to start with diagnosis as the above would seem to imply the issue is not with the motor or (shared) capacitors.
The quirk with braking mentioned above that may indicate something to someone with more knowledge than me, is that it would: 50% of the time work fine, 25% of the time it would engage for a shorter period than necessary, 25% of the time it wouldn't engage at all and spin freely.
Any further information or photos anyone may need I'm sure I can provide.
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Re: Hammer B3 electrical problem
#hammer
It may still be bad capacitors. ?Just because the capacitance is good, they still need to be checked for ESR and leakage. ?Google these parameters and you will find the explanations.?
Hope this helps.
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On Jul 29, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Roger S <rsinden@...> wrote:
? Hi Sam
I’m basing this on a looksie of the Hammer C3-31 single phase circuitry but the thing is that the run and start capacitors are shared between the motors. ?IE there is just the one set of capacitors and so it;s there I’d look at first of all. ?I’ve not had time to se how the brake module works on a single phase but my mney is on one or other or both of those two capacitors.
Let us know how you get on
Roger
On 29 Jul 2020, at 14:31, sam via < sam@...> wrote:
Hello all? - first off I completely understand if nobody has the time to look over this one and probably requires a fairly indepth knowledge of how the Hammer combination machines electrics are setup.
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So, my Hammer B3 (single phase, 2005, teal paint) has become poorly. Working fine up until Saturday (with one minor quirk regarding braking). It?currently trips the breaker instantaneously upon starting the machine. Likely significant that this occurs in any mode switch position (on the B3 that is shaper or table saw). The first time trying to restart it there was a very short buzz (~0.5s) from the motor and the breaker went, all subsequent starts there have been no buzzes, no clicks, instant trip.
Initial thought was the table saw motor windings had worn past a critical point due to a stall the day before (which did at the time throw the thermal switch on the machine itself), but I have since tried the machine in shaper mode (which of course should swap the circuit over to the other motor) but shows the same issue. Instant trip.
I've investigated both start and run capacitors for faults but both appear to be as they should be (capacitance reading is bang on, not shorted etc.), unsure if there is more to testing a capacitor however.
There's another recent discussion on here about a C3-31 with electrical problems related to the brake (and resolved by replacing the brake module) but can't quite match the symptoms, notably mine appears to trip instantly.
Is there any potential for the brake to somehow be engaged during startup? A sticky relay etc? May be rather specific knowledge but, would anyone be able to describe a procedure for safely eliminating the brake as a factor?
As it is, not sure where to start with diagnosis as the above would seem to imply the issue is not with the motor or (shared) capacitors.
The quirk with braking mentioned above that may indicate something to someone with more knowledge than me, is that it would: 50% of the time work fine, 25% of the time it would engage for a shorter period than necessary, 25% of the time it wouldn't engage at all and spin freely.
Any further information or photos anyone may need I'm sure I can provide.
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Jason Holtz
PK
Bill Belanger
imran
Albert Lee