Dave and Imran, just for comparison thats what it costs me to get 3 carbide knives with backers done from Royce-Ayr.
On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 4:13 PM Dave Rossetti < rossetti@...> wrote: Imran,
You asked about custom knife experience. About a year ago I needed to make a specific profile to match a frame and panel desktop I was repairing and had a great experience with Charles GG Schmidt & Co in Montvale, NJ, . I sent them a slice of the wood part I needed to reproduce, along with measurements and some notes, see attached photo. They sent back a dimensioned drawing for approval and for $142 + shipping I received a pair of 40 mm cutters that fit the Felder head and worked perfectly. It did not include limiters but I ground down a similar pair and used them though not sure that was totally necessary.
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Re: Getting Rid of Masks - Huge Sale
Abners, So first you want a non specific instruction manual, then you want non specific instructional videos, and now you want to sell your entire stock of masks.... Think I'll pass on this one?
Brian, You may want to look into this?
Security conscious little ole me.?
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?I honestly would wait to buy until there is a need.
The multi profile kits are fine I suppose, but for a simple round over, ogee, or anything you just want to mount for a quick cut is no longer a quick cut if you have to set knives. You'll probably just use your router, that's fine, but a shaper will make a much better cut requiring much less if any secondary processing,i.e. sanding.
?I like disposable carbide insert tooling most always, because they don't need to get sent out to sharpen and they put out about 3000 linear feet before dulling in medium hardwoods.
That said, these cutter heads a a bit pricey and are usually single or similar in profile.
I like a brazed cutter(round over, ogee, and such) for the profiles that are used often. Easy to swap out and you will forget you own a router. You can buy brazed tooling on ebay for? cheap and just get them sharpened. And can buy bushings to use heads that do not match your spindle. I have a 50mm vari-angle? I picked up for $150 and use with bushings on a 1.25" spindle.
if I ever have the need and the $ at the same time I would buy a multi use cutter from Rangate about $1400 .
You should get a corrugated head or three. again you can usually find these on ebay, but since this will be an old friend eventually I spent the $ an bought a nice 3" from Shmidt to start.
It was worth it . I do have a 4" and 6" as well but bought as needed. Titan from Global Tooling in WA is fine to use and cheap when you need to make a quick 6" face cut.
With "slugs"? and "blanks"you can use a 1" knives in a 4"x4" head. Stay with larger diameters as they produce better finishes. Dual angle heads are a plus too, soft and hardwoods.
Daily use cheads for me are usually groovers and rebate heads,or discs sometimes called. It's nice to have these in the same diameter because you can stack two 12mm to make a 24mm or a 12mm with an adjustable groover for a wider range of cuts, two groovers with spacer in between become a tenon cutting set-up, or three groovers makes double tenons that I use often.
I buy cheap Toolstoday heads for cuts that are not dependant on profile accuracy. Like a rebate for a back panel on a cabinet.
They are quite fine most any day and very affordable. BUT I find that the outer cut diamter between two 180mm groovers may vary .002" That may be well within spec for better companies, I dont know. Also in the Amana rebate head the kknive may not be exactly parralel to one another so in theory you are producing a crowned face. Again this is extremely small and unoticable except if maybe you widthed two edges for glue up you might see a? larger glue line. I am anal about fitting and dont get much humbug from the amana most days.
I get my custom profiles from Weinig , I was using a couple other places but had some folks burn the edges and it ruins the temper so..... Weinig is high quality and usually ships out in 48 hours or less. But probably plenty of good places to order knives.
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Thanks Dave. Good to know the going rate. Certainly have gone up since I looked into it 15 yrs ago.
CG Schmidt is well known W Moore is another but I see their European page is not responding. I got catalogs of both of these outfits from Woodmaster when I bought their Planer/Moulder. Used to be that rate was $x/in.
Imran?
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On May 25, 2020, at 4:13 PM, Dave Rossetti <rossetti@...> wrote: ?Imran, You asked about custom knife experience. About a year ago I needed to make a specific profile to match a frame and panel desktop I was repairing and had a great experience with Charles GG Schmidt & Co in Montvale, NJ, . I sent them a slice of the wood part I needed to reproduce, along with measurements and some notes, see attached photo. They sent back a dimensioned drawing for approval and for $142 + shipping I received a pair of 40 mm cutters that fit the Felder head and worked perfectly. It did not include limiters but I ground down a similar pair and used them though not sure that was totally necessary. -- - Dave Rossetti, Santa Fe
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Imran,
You asked about custom knife experience. About a year ago I needed to make a specific profile to match a frame and panel desktop I was repairing and had a great experience with Charles GG Schmidt & Co in Montvale, NJ, . I sent them a slice of the wood part I needed to reproduce, along with measurements and some notes, see attached photo. They sent back a dimensioned drawing for approval and for $142 + shipping I received a pair of 40 mm cutters that fit the Felder head and worked perfectly. It did not include limiters but I ground down a similar pair and used them though not sure that was totally necessary.
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- Dave Rossetti, Santa Fe
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In my experience the customs officers have a lot of leeway. I ordered twice from Germany one order with BowmouldMaster was $2k. I did not get a call both times. One time I brought a hand made large carpet from Pakistan. The customs card said $400 limit per person and the carpet was way over that. I handed over the filled card to customs officer at the airport and he asked me std questions and waived me to go.
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On May 25, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Chris Perren <cperren@...> wrote: ? Interesting -- I had the same experience. I had to pay a small import fee (i.e. $75) of approximate $1200 in tooling from Whitehill UK. … From memory the US Custom agent stated “The fee could be avoided if the package was broken up and shipped into smaller amounts”.. ??My other orders from Germany with similar tooling amounts has had zero challenges from US Customs…? Not sure why or reasons ??? ? Regards, ? Chris Perren 512-415-6951 ? ? So far, I have bought all my Shaper tooling from Whitehill in the UK. I live just outside Nashville, TN. My last order was for around $1200. I did get a notice, in my mail, to call US Customs when the package arrived here in the USA. It asked me to call the Customs office, I guess to figure out if there would be any import tax duty. When I called, they asked me what the items were and how they would be used. I explained, stating they were for home/hobbyist use, ?and they released the package, without any duty fees payable. I had the package a couple of days later. ?
On May 25, 2020, at 12:14 PM, Michael Garrison Stuber <mtgstuber@...> wrote: ? Based on this thread I added Whitehill and Royce-Ayr to the sources wiki page (/g/felderownersgroup/wiki/18408) I know the last time I mentioned the Wiki there was a problem with the permissions.? I believe Brian fixed them so that all members can edit. ? In my experience no one is interested in grinding knives for the Universal head as there is no money in it for them unless they are carbide. That substantially?raises the cost. To see the full range of knives that are available for the?universal head either 40mm or 50mm you have to get a Dimar, CMT or similar catalog. For longer run profiles I personally use a triple knife 50mm head from Royce-Ayr. It takes thinner carbide with a back plate. The 3 knives give a beautiful cut in any wood I've tried. The knives and head are also profiled for?hardwood. Not surprising but most generic tooling is profile for softwood.? In these times I prefer to give my money to a company based in NA for tooling, then going overseas. Royce-Ayr,? FS Tools and Leitz are all 45 minutes from me with reps coming to my small shop. Mike has suggested that Whitehill makes tooling for Felder which is remotely possible but I've never heard of tooling coming from anyone except German sources. ? On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 10:44 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote: I thought you could get custom knives for both 40mm & 50mm safety cutters. They had a graph paper for you to draw one out. Remember it being the cheapest option to get profiles, for hobbyist or short runs, as long as 40mm/50mm is acceptable. I have never ordered any. Has anyone done so? There were other similar cutters with custom knives as an option. I have not checked this out in a while so will take a bit of looking to see who is still around.
On May 25, 2020, at 8:51 AM, TJ Cornish <tj@...> wrote:
?I am awaiting delivery of a CF531. This will be my first shaper. I'm familiar with router bits of course and the fantastic custom stuff you can do with shaper tooling like rail and stile cutters, but am trying to get my head around how you do normal things such as coves and roundovers.
I like the idea of a multi-knife head like the Felder 40mm safety head, and I understand the function of chip limiters which sure seem like a good idea to me, but the knife choices that are available from the Felder site are in many cases, really odd and I struggle to see how I would use them. Conspicuously absent are a set of radiuses - 6mm, 9mm, 12mm, etc., sizes that are ubiquitous in router bits and probably some of the first profiles new router users buy. This seems true even in the Amana line - there are a lot of strange choices, but finding normal knives is challenging.
I understand the idea of shifting the head up or down to get several profiles on one knife, but again, a lot of the knives I see don't seem particularly useful.? What am I missing? How do you best do normal things on a shaper??
For example, this is one of the few knives that makes sense to me:??It has the roundover and cove profiles for an 8mm radius on one knife, and I can see how to use both of these. Why aren't there similar knives in other radiuses?
In non-replacable tooling, I've found roundover cutters like these:??but I'm surprised that I can't find the comparable stuff in the replacable knives world.
What am I missing?? Thanks in advance.
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-- Michael Garrison Stuber
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Interesting -- I had the same experience. I had to pay a small import fee (i.e. $75) of approximate $1200 in tooling from Whitehill UK. … From memory the US Custom agent stated “The fee could be avoided if the package was broken up and shipped into smaller amounts”.. ??My other orders from Germany with similar tooling amounts has had zero challenges from US Customs…? Not sure why or reasons ??? ? Regards, ? Chris Perren 512-415-6951 ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Christopher Edwards Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 12:26 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [FOG] Getting started in shaper tooling #shapertools ? So far, I have bought all my Shaper tooling from Whitehill in the UK. I live just outside Nashville, TN. My last order was for around $1200. I did get a notice, in my mail, to call US Customs when the package arrived here in the USA. It asked me to call the Customs office, I guess to figure out if there would be any import tax duty. When I called, they asked me what the items were and how they would be used. I explained, stating they were for home/hobbyist use, ?and they released the package, without any duty fees payable. I had the package a couple of days later. ?
On May 25, 2020, at 12:14 PM, Michael Garrison Stuber <mtgstuber@...> wrote: ? Based on this thread I added Whitehill and Royce-Ayr to the sources wiki page (/g/felderownersgroup/wiki/18408) I know the last time I mentioned the Wiki there was a problem with the permissions.? I believe Brian fixed them so that all members can edit. ? In my experience no one is interested in grinding knives for the Universal head as there is no money in it for them unless they are carbide. That substantially?raises the cost. To see the full range of knives that are available for the?universal head either 40mm or 50mm you have to get a Dimar, CMT or similar catalog. For longer run profiles I personally use a triple knife 50mm head from Royce-Ayr. It takes thinner carbide with a back plate. The 3 knives give a beautiful cut in any wood I've tried. The knives and head are also profiled for?hardwood. Not surprising but most generic tooling is profile for softwood.? In these times I prefer to give my money to a company based in NA for tooling, then going overseas. Royce-Ayr,? FS Tools and Leitz are all 45 minutes from me with reps coming to my small shop. Mike has suggested that Whitehill makes tooling for Felder which is remotely possible but I've never heard of tooling coming from anyone except German sources. ? On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 10:44 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote: I thought you could get custom knives for both 40mm & 50mm safety cutters. They had a graph paper for you to draw one out. Remember it being the cheapest option to get profiles, for hobbyist or short runs, as long as 40mm/50mm is acceptable. I have never ordered any. Has anyone done so? There were other similar cutters with custom knives as an option. I have not checked this out in a while so will take a bit of looking to see who is still around.
On May 25, 2020, at 8:51 AM, TJ Cornish <tj@...> wrote:
?I am awaiting delivery of a CF531. This will be my first shaper. I'm familiar with router bits of course and the fantastic custom stuff you can do with shaper tooling like rail and stile cutters, but am trying to get my head around how you do normal things such as coves and roundovers.
I like the idea of a multi-knife head like the Felder 40mm safety head, and I understand the function of chip limiters which sure seem like a good idea to me, but the knife choices that are available from the Felder site are in many cases, really odd and I struggle to see how I would use them. Conspicuously absent are a set of radiuses - 6mm, 9mm, 12mm, etc., sizes that are ubiquitous in router bits and probably some of the first profiles new router users buy. This seems true even in the Amana line - there are a lot of strange choices, but finding normal knives is challenging.
I understand the idea of shifting the head up or down to get several profiles on one knife, but again, a lot of the knives I see don't seem particularly useful.? What am I missing? How do you best do normal things on a shaper??
For example, this is one of the few knives that makes sense to me:??It has the roundover and cove profiles for an 8mm radius on one knife, and I can see how to use both of these. Why aren't there similar knives in other radiuses?
In non-replacable tooling, I've found roundover cutters like these:??but I'm surprised that I can't find the comparable stuff in the replacable knives world.
What am I missing?? Thanks in advance.
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-- Michael Garrison Stuber
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Yes, it is set so all members can view and edit.
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On May 25, 2020, at 10:14 AM, Michael Garrison Stuber < mtgstuber@...> wrote:
Based on this thread I added Whitehill and Royce-Ayr to the
sources wiki page
(/g/felderownersgroup/wiki/18408) I know the last time I mentioned the Wiki there was a problem
with the permissions.? I believe Brian fixed them so that all
members can edit.
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Yea I checked out the Flickr,
Thanks a lot.
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The multi use hss head is great place to start. You can find custom grinders, I think I paid about 115$ w shipping for a custom profile a bit ago to match a client’s existing- 4 pieces, 2 cutters and two limters. Hot knives is another
one that will do it. Round overs I have cmt with inserts, it has two radius per head. Coves there is a large amana insert multi cove. They have a matching multi radius. You have to start thinking creatively. I have a klein insert head I got from Rangate. They
have a nice large catalog and show the various radius in the profiles. I’d get one with limiters, I imagine whitehill has those too. No reason not to when talking about safety.
I have 1.25” spindle only.
Michael Tagge
Built Custom Carpentry
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Based on this thread I added Whitehill and Royce-Ayr to the sources wiki page (/g/felderownersgroup/wiki/18408)
I know the last time I mentioned the Wiki there was a problem with the permissions.? I believe Brian fixed them so that all members can edit.
In my experience no one is interested in grinding knives for the Universal head as there is no money in it for them unless they are carbide. That substantially?raises the cost. To see the full range of knives that are available for the?universal
head either 40mm or 50mm you have to get a Dimar, CMT or similar catalog. For longer run profiles I personally use a triple knife 50mm head from Royce-Ayr. It takes thinner carbide with a back plate. The 3 knives give a beautiful cut in any wood I've tried.
The knives and head are also profiled for?hardwood. Not surprising but most generic tooling is profile for softwood.? In these times I prefer to give my money to a company based in NA for tooling, then going overseas. Royce-Ayr,? FS Tools and Leitz are all
45 minutes from me with reps coming to my small shop. Mike has suggested that Whitehill makes tooling for Felder which is remotely possible but I've never heard of tooling coming from anyone except German sources.
On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 10:44 AM imranindiana via
<imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
I thought you could get custom knives for both 40mm & 50mm safety cutters. They had a graph paper for you to draw one out. Remember it being the cheapest option to get profiles, for hobbyist or short runs, as long as 40mm/50mm is acceptable.
I have never ordered any. Has anyone done so?
There were other similar cutters with custom knives as an option. I have not checked this out in a while so will take a bit of looking to see who is still around.
Imran
On May 25, 2020, at 8:51 AM, TJ Cornish < tj@...> wrote:
?I am awaiting delivery of a CF531. This will be my first shaper. I'm familiar with router bits of course and the fantastic custom stuff you can do with shaper tooling like rail and stile cutters, but am trying to get my head around how you do
normal things such as coves and roundovers.
I like the idea of a multi-knife head like the Felder 40mm safety head, and I understand the function of chip limiters which sure seem like a good idea to me, but the knife choices that are available from the Felder site are in many cases, really odd and I
struggle to see how I would use them. Conspicuously absent are a set of radiuses - 6mm, 9mm, 12mm, etc., sizes that are ubiquitous in router bits and probably some of the first profiles new router users buy. This seems true even in the Amana line - there are
a lot of strange choices, but finding normal knives is challenging.
I understand the idea of shifting the head up or down to get several profiles on one knife, but again, a lot of the knives I see don't seem particularly useful.? What am I missing? How do you best do normal things on a shaper??
For example, this is one of the few knives that makes sense to me:??It
has the roundover and cove profiles for an 8mm radius on one knife, and I can see how to use both of these. Why aren't there similar knives in other radiuses?
In non-replacable tooling, I've found roundover cutters like these:??but
I'm surprised that I can't find the comparable stuff in the replacable knives world.
What am I missing?? Thanks in advance.
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Michael Garrison Stuber
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So far, I have bought all my Shaper tooling from Whitehill in the UK. I live just outside Nashville, TN.
My last order was for around $1200. I did get a notice, in my mail, to call US Customs when the package arrived here in the USA. It asked me to call the Customs office, I guess to figure out if there would be any import tax duty.
When I called, they asked me what the items were and how they would be used. I explained, stating they were for home/hobbyist use, ?and they released the package, without any duty fees payable. I had the package a couple of days later.
Chris Edwards (407) 902-1358 cell
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On May 25, 2020, at 12:14 PM, Michael Garrison Stuber < mtgstuber@...> wrote:
Based on this thread I added Whitehill and Royce-Ayr to the
sources wiki page
(/g/felderownersgroup/wiki/18408) I know the last time I mentioned the Wiki there was a problem
with the permissions.? I believe Brian fixed them so that all
members can edit.
In my experience no one is interested in grinding
knives for the Universal head as there is no money in it for
them unless they are carbide. That substantially?raises the
cost. To see the full range of knives that are available for
the?universal head either 40mm or 50mm you have to get a Dimar,
CMT or similar catalog. For longer run profiles I personally use
a triple knife 50mm head from Royce-Ayr. It takes thinner
carbide with a back plate. The 3 knives give a beautiful cut in
any wood I've tried. The knives and head are also profiled
for?hardwood. Not surprising but most generic tooling is profile
for softwood.? In these times I prefer to give my money to a
company based in NA for tooling, then going overseas.
Royce-Ayr,? FS Tools and Leitz are all 45 minutes from me with
reps coming to my small shop. Mike has suggested that Whitehill
makes tooling for Felder which is remotely possible but I've
never heard of tooling coming from anyone
except German sources.
On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 10:44
AM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]>
wrote:
I thought you could get custom knives for
both 40mm & 50mm safety cutters. They had a graph
paper for you to draw one out. Remember it being the
cheapest option to get profiles, for hobbyist or short
runs, as long as 40mm/50mm is acceptable. I have never
ordered any. Has anyone done so?
There were other similar cutters with
custom knives as an option. I have not checked this out
in a while so will take a bit of looking to see who is
still around.
Imran
On May 25, 2020, at 8:51 AM, TJ Cornish < tj@...> wrote:
?I am awaiting delivery of a CF531. This
will be my first shaper. I'm familiar with router bits
of course and the fantastic custom stuff you can do with
shaper tooling like rail and stile cutters, but am
trying to get my head around how you do normal things
such as coves and roundovers.
I like the idea of a multi-knife head like the Felder
40mm safety head, and I understand the function of chip
limiters which sure seem like a good idea to me, but the
knife choices that are available from the Felder site
are in many cases, really odd and I struggle to see how
I would use them. Conspicuously absent are a set of
radiuses - 6mm, 9mm, 12mm, etc., sizes that are
ubiquitous in router bits and probably some of the first
profiles new router users buy. This seems true even in
the Amana line - there are a lot of strange choices, but
finding normal knives is challenging.
I understand the idea of shifting the head up or down to
get several profiles on one knife, but again, a lot of
the knives I see don't seem particularly useful.? What
am I missing? How do you best do normal things on a
shaper??
For example, this is one of the few knives that makes
sense to me:??It
has the roundover and cove profiles for an 8mm radius on
one knife, and I can see how to use both of these. Why
aren't there similar knives in other radiuses?
In non-replacable tooling, I've found roundover cutters
like these:??but
I'm surprised that I can't find the comparable stuff in
the replacable knives world.
What am I missing?? Thanks in advance.
--
--
Michael Garrison Stuber
|
Based on this thread I added Whitehill and Royce-Ayr to the
sources wiki page
(/g/felderownersgroup/wiki/18408)
I know the last time I mentioned the Wiki there was a problem
with the permissions.? I believe Brian fixed them so that all
members can edit.
In my experience no one is interested in grinding
knives for the Universal head as there is no money in it for
them unless they are carbide. That substantially?raises the
cost. To see the full range of knives that are available for
the?universal head either 40mm or 50mm you have to get a Dimar,
CMT or similar catalog. For longer run profiles I personally use
a triple knife 50mm head from Royce-Ayr. It takes thinner
carbide with a back plate. The 3 knives give a beautiful cut in
any wood I've tried. The knives and head are also profiled
for?hardwood. Not surprising but most generic tooling is profile
for softwood.? In these times I prefer to give my money to a
company based in NA for tooling, then going overseas.
Royce-Ayr,? FS Tools and Leitz are all 45 minutes from me with
reps coming to my small shop. Mike has suggested that Whitehill
makes tooling for Felder which is remotely possible but I've
never heard of tooling coming from anyone
except German sources.
On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 10:44
AM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]>
wrote:
I thought you could get custom knives for
both 40mm & 50mm safety cutters. They had a graph
paper for you to draw one out. Remember it being the
cheapest option to get profiles, for hobbyist or short
runs, as long as 40mm/50mm is acceptable. I have never
ordered any. Has anyone done so?
There were other similar cutters with
custom knives as an option. I have not checked this out
in a while so will take a bit of looking to see who is
still around.
Imran
On May 25, 2020, at 8:51 AM, TJ Cornish < tj@...> wrote:
?I am awaiting delivery of a CF531. This
will be my first shaper. I'm familiar with router bits
of course and the fantastic custom stuff you can do with
shaper tooling like rail and stile cutters, but am
trying to get my head around how you do normal things
such as coves and roundovers.
I like the idea of a multi-knife head like the Felder
40mm safety head, and I understand the function of chip
limiters which sure seem like a good idea to me, but the
knife choices that are available from the Felder site
are in many cases, really odd and I struggle to see how
I would use them. Conspicuously absent are a set of
radiuses - 6mm, 9mm, 12mm, etc., sizes that are
ubiquitous in router bits and probably some of the first
profiles new router users buy. This seems true even in
the Amana line - there are a lot of strange choices, but
finding normal knives is challenging.
I understand the idea of shifting the head up or down to
get several profiles on one knife, but again, a lot of
the knives I see don't seem particularly useful.? What
am I missing? How do you best do normal things on a
shaper??
For example, this is one of the few knives that makes
sense to me:??It
has the roundover and cove profiles for an 8mm radius on
one knife, and I can see how to use both of these. Why
aren't there similar knives in other radiuses?
In non-replacable tooling, I've found roundover cutters
like these:??but
I'm surprised that I can't find the comparable stuff in
the replacable knives world.
What am I missing?? Thanks in advance.
--
--
Michael Garrison Stuber
|
In my experience no one is interested in grinding knives for the Universal head as there is no money in it for them unless they are carbide. That substantially?raises the cost. To see the full range of knives that are available for the?universal head either 40mm or 50mm you have to get a Dimar, CMT or similar catalog. For longer run profiles I personally use a triple knife 50mm head from Royce-Ayr. It takes thinner carbide with a back plate. The 3 knives give a beautiful cut in any wood I've tried. The knives and head are also profiled for?hardwood. Not surprising but most generic tooling is profile for softwood.? In these times I prefer to give my money to a company based in NA for tooling, then going overseas. Royce-Ayr,? FS Tools and Leitz are all 45 minutes from me with reps coming to my small shop. Mike has suggested that Whitehill makes tooling for Felder which is remotely possible but I've never heard of tooling coming from
anyone
except German sources.
On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 10:44 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: I thought you could get custom knives for both 40mm & 50mm safety cutters. They had a graph paper for you to draw one out. Remember it being the cheapest option to get profiles, for hobbyist or short runs, as long as 40mm/50mm is acceptable. I have never ordered any. Has anyone done so?
There were other similar cutters with custom knives as an option. I have not checked this out in a while so will take a bit of looking to see who is still around.
Imran On May 25, 2020, at 8:51 AM, TJ Cornish < tj@...> wrote: ?I am awaiting delivery of a CF531. This will be my first shaper. I'm familiar with router bits of course and the fantastic custom stuff you can do with shaper tooling like rail and stile cutters, but am trying to get my head around how you do normal things such as coves and roundovers.
I like the idea of a multi-knife head like the Felder 40mm safety head, and I understand the function of chip limiters which sure seem like a good idea to me, but the knife choices that are available from the Felder site are in many cases, really odd and I struggle to see how I would use them. Conspicuously absent are a set of radiuses - 6mm, 9mm, 12mm, etc., sizes that are ubiquitous in router bits and probably some of the first profiles new router users buy. This seems true even in the Amana line - there are a lot of strange choices, but finding normal knives is challenging.
I understand the idea of shifting the head up or down to get several profiles on one knife, but again, a lot of the knives I see don't seem particularly useful.? What am I missing? How do you best do normal things on a shaper??
For example, this is one of the few knives that makes sense to me:??It has the roundover and cove profiles for an 8mm radius on one knife, and I can see how to use both of these. Why aren't there similar knives in other radiuses?
In non-replacable tooling, I've found roundover cutters like these:??but I'm surprised that I can't find the comparable stuff in the replacable knives world.
What am I missing?? Thanks in advance.
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I find it very frustrating to deal with Felder for a variety of things, primarily because their eshop website is so flaky. ?Half the time their stuff is not on the website, and even when it is, it is difficult to find what you are looking for. ?Recently, my wife bought an adjustable chamfer head for me — ordered it in early February. ?They said it was backordered and would be delivered on their next shipment from Austria, but no more than 4 weeks. ?Fourteen weeks later, and with two contacts with Felder both instigated by me, I stopped the order and ordered from Whitehill in the UK. ?I picked Whitehill because of the recommendation of David Best.
What service! ?I received the item from them in 6 days. ?It was less than purchasing from Felder. ?And they specialize in shaper cutters. ?Look at the profiles they have for their universal cutter head as opposed to what you can get from Felder. ?BTW, there are some heads that Whitehill clearly makes and supplies to Felder as they are labeled “Felder/Hammer.”
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For round over shaper cutters go to the Felder site and type PN 500-04-087 for Standard and PN 04.0.149 for Professional. The universal cutter setup can be confusing but when setup properly can be used to achieve what you need. This will include setting the cutter for top feed or bottom feed and being able to reverse the cutter rotation. The HS knives are inexpensive and readily available from many sources?other than Felder and are all of the same quality. On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 8:51 AM TJ Cornish < tj@...> wrote: I am awaiting delivery of a CF531. This will be my first shaper. I'm familiar with router bits of course and the fantastic custom stuff you can do with shaper tooling like rail and stile cutters, but am trying to get my head around how you do normal things such as coves and roundovers.
I like the idea of a multi-knife head like the Felder 40mm safety head, and I understand the function of chip limiters which sure seem like a good idea to me, but the knife choices that are available from the Felder site are in many cases, really odd and I struggle to see how I would use them. Conspicuously absent are a set of radiuses - 6mm, 9mm, 12mm, etc., sizes that are ubiquitous in router bits and probably some of the first profiles new router users buy. This seems true even in the Amana line - there are a lot of strange choices, but finding normal knives is challenging.
I understand the idea of shifting the head up or down to get several profiles on one knife, but again, a lot of the knives I see don't seem particularly useful.? What am I missing? How do you best do normal things on a shaper??
For example, this is one of the few knives that makes sense to me:??It has the roundover and cove profiles for an 8mm radius on one knife, and I can see how to use both of these. Why aren't there similar knives in other radiuses?
In non-replacable tooling, I've found roundover cutters like these:??but I'm surprised that I can't find the comparable stuff in the replacable knives world.
What am I missing?? Thanks in advance.
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I thought you could get custom knives for both 40mm & 50mm safety cutters. They had a graph paper for you to draw one out. Remember it being the cheapest option to get profiles, for hobbyist or short runs, as long as 40mm/50mm is acceptable. I have never ordered any. Has anyone done so?
There were other similar cutters with custom knives as an option. I have not checked this out in a while so will take a bit of looking to see who is still around.
Imran
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On May 25, 2020, at 8:51 AM, TJ Cornish <tj@...> wrote: ?I am awaiting delivery of a CF531. This will be my first shaper. I'm familiar with router bits of course and the fantastic custom stuff you can do with shaper tooling like rail and stile cutters, but am trying to get my head around how you do normal things such as coves and roundovers.
I like the idea of a multi-knife head like the Felder 40mm safety head, and I understand the function of chip limiters which sure seem like a good idea to me, but the knife choices that are available from the Felder site are in many cases, really odd and I struggle to see how I would use them. Conspicuously absent are a set of radiuses - 6mm, 9mm, 12mm, etc., sizes that are ubiquitous in router bits and probably some of the first profiles new router users buy. This seems true even in the Amana line - there are a lot of strange choices, but finding normal knives is challenging.
I understand the idea of shifting the head up or down to get several profiles on one knife, but again, a lot of the knives I see don't seem particularly useful. ?What am I missing? How do you best do normal things on a shaper??
For example, this is one of the few knives that makes sense to me:??It has the roundover and cove profiles for an 8mm radius on one knife, and I can see how to use both of these. Why aren't there similar knives in other radiuses?
In non-replacable tooling, I've found roundover cutters like these:??but I'm surprised that I can't find the comparable stuff in the replacable knives world.
What am I missing? ?Thanks in advance.
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Re: Bolt for 700S Scoring Arbor
Thanks for the quick replies. The one shown by John is like mine on a 2006 model.
Gil
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On May 25, 2020, at 9:02 AM, jmkserv@... wrote:
? Members always seem to forget that a year is very important since most of the saw configurations cover over 20 years. I believe the pics I showed are from about 2007 to 2013.
-------- Original message -------- From: Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> Date: 2020-05-25 9:49 a.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] Bolt for 700S Scoring Arbor
Sounds like that is what mine has, the low head 8mm SHCS. It’s to clear the dust collection sheet metal chute that surrounds the blade. Pretty sure I have a box of them out in the shop too.
On May 25, 2020, at 6:40 AM, sl < lloydn@...> wrote:
On my k-37 it is m8x20mm. It is also a low head- 5mm high.I'm not sure why the thin head, perhaps for clearance when the blades are tilted- it's the same cap screw for the main blade.
I bought a box of replacements from McMaster Carr. I can send you a couple.
I replace them every couple years when they start to get a little rounded.
Lloyd Oak Park IL
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Members always seem to forget that a year is very important since most of the saw configurations cover over 20 years. I believe the pics I showed are from about 2007 to 2013.
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-------- Original message -------- From: Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> Date: 2020-05-25 9:49 a.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] Bolt for 700S Scoring Arbor
Sounds like that is what mine has, the low head 8mm SHCS. It’s to clear the dust collection sheet metal chute that surrounds the blade. Pretty sure I have a box of them out in the shop too.
On May 25, 2020, at 6:40 AM, sl < lloydn@...> wrote:
On my k-37 it is m8x20mm. It is also a low head- 5mm high.I'm not sure why the thin head, perhaps for clearance when the blades are tilted- it's the same cap screw for the main blade.
I bought a box of replacements from McMaster Carr. I can send you a couple.
I replace them every couple years when they start to get a little rounded.
Lloyd Oak Park IL
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Re: Bolt for 700S Scoring Arbor
Sounds like that is what mine has, the low head 8mm SHCS. It’s to clear the dust collection sheet metal chute that surrounds the blade. Pretty sure I have a box of them out in the shop too.
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On May 25, 2020, at 6:40 AM, sl < lloydn@...> wrote:
On my k-37 it is m8x20mm. It is also a low head- 5mm high.I'm not sure why the thin head, perhaps for clearance when the blades are tilted- it's the same cap screw for the main blade.
I bought a box of replacements from McMaster Carr. I can send you a couple.
I replace them every couple years when they start to get a little rounded.
Lloyd Oak Park IL
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I could easily get that taken care of if there is a one time buy type of thing…. my son is always looking for work for his CNC mill.
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I have a funny feeling the Mad scientists ( Yes.. YOU..David Best and Brian Lamb and maybe even Mac) are already concocting something deep down in their machining lab as we speak)?
the purpose of all this effort, is so that once we have the boom arm made, kinks worked out, and detailed drawings all made up and all the parts linked where you buy them, is like Joel said, so anyone who wants one can just click and buy some of the parts, cut the wood parts needed and assemble and Voila...a perfectly good, working boom arm for themselves and their shop
On Sunday, May 24, 2020, 05:19:30 PM PDT, joelgelman via < joelgelman@...> wrote:
Alex, at that point, I will have my boom arm, but as I indicated, part of what I am pursuing with time and some expense involved, ?is to make it so others can easily make one as I think this would be of high value to many. ?
Once the extra gears arrive, I will be making a prototype using the 2 inch OD angled thrust bearings. ?I think the way I will make this is easier in wood than aluminum, but I was just asking Randy yesterday: ?If you take the issues of working with aluminum out of the equation or money or time, which way of making it would be the best in terms of durability etc.? ?We are not so sure.?How about this: ? before anything is taken for a quote. ?How about we wait a week. ?I should get the gears and will then assemble a pivot section. ?Then, I (and likely Randy also) can post both designs with detailed pictures. ?Then, the Brian Lambs and David Bests of the forum can hopefully weigh in with input as to what would be the best design, or perhaps suggest a modification of what we did to make it better! ?
With CNC, either could be made very easily and so it is a matter of which design to pursue. ? If there is someone that would be interested in making parts for a group purchase, great!, I believe there may also be a lot of people on the Festool forum interested in purchasing that middle pivot section as with that and the detailed plans I would provide for free along with a parts list, there could be a lot of orders. ?For myself, I have no financial interest. ?
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Re: Bolt for 700S Scoring Arbor
On my k-37 it is m8x20mm. It is also a low head- 5mm high.I'm not sure why the thin head, perhaps for clearance when the blades are tilted- it's the same cap screw for the main blade.
I bought a box of replacements from McMaster Carr. I can send you a couple.
I replace them every couple years when they start to get a little rounded.
Lloyd Oak Park IL
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imran
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